Lebron with 16 assists, Lakers with 24 total

[3ball]

You can't win that way; not like magic, mj, curry, bird, duncan or kobe did

Lebron has always played a version of harden-ball, so we shouldn't be surprised that it struggles to win on the championship level, 3/9

Ingram is a guy that can get assists - there's no reason he shouldn't be averaging 4+, except for lebron-ball
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[Wally450]

Dude said Kobe. :roll:

[And1AllDay]

1-9

[3ball]

Dude said Kobe. :roll:
Kobe is 5/7 on the championship level, so his game allows better teams than lebron that compete better on the championship level, 3/9

[Rico2016]

1-9 :(

[3ball]

1-9 :(
That's what happens when you have no all-star teammate like lebron always had

Whereas lebron had the East all-star center and still missed the playoffs his first couple seasons :(

[Mr. Jabbar]

op, lebron is 1-9, not 3-9. those were miracle shots by his teammates.

[FKAri]

http://i65.tinypic.com/2qiu5j8.jpg

[ClipperRevival]

In a way, this game is the PERFECT example of how stats don't tell the entire story for LeBron. His stats tonight on paper look great but if you actually watched the game, you see he didn't play up to par. Sometimes I watch Laker games and am shocked at how quickly he racks up rebounds and assists. And I realize context.

[3ball]

3ball, the problem is that Lebron rejects coaching like he did with Walton (https://sports.yahoo.com/lebron-james-reportedly-ignoring-luke-waltons-play-calls-nobodys-surprise-210514450.html), Lue (http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/lebron-james-attitude-listen-to-tyronne-lue-cavs-heat-david-blatt/hjmyp8w984gi1xkzex534zc19), Blatt (https://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/12/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-david-blatt-rift), and Spolestra (https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/fl-miami-heat-news-0402-20150401-story.html)

He's never accepted coaching from any coach he ever had - he always ran lebron-ball - so the next Phil Jackson wasn't allowed

The problem is that lebron starts at forward but then becomes a 2nd point guard on the floor, which reduces ball-time and assists for the other 3 teammates compared to their play in 1-point guard lineups.. lower teammate assists results in low TEAM assist rankings.

Contrastingly, magic and ben simmons started at PG, and their 1-pg lineup allowed high team assist rankings.. but 2-pg lineups (lebron/harden-ball) give the remaining 3 teammates less time and assists compared to their play in 1-point guard lineups, which results in low TEAM assist rankings.. it's harder to win with low ball movement and low assist teams, so 3/9 happens (1/9 without ray and kyrie shots)


Wow Fkari, ur spot on.. couldn't agree more

[Manny98]

Jordan can't even get 16 assists in his dreams :roll:

[3ball]

Jordan can't even get 16 assists in his dreams :roll:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=60XIzix3PlE

[E_Stamkos]

OP = GOAT Poster

[imdaman99]

He should play more like Westbrook, who allows other players on his team to also get a triple double :applause:

How generous is our Russ :applause:

[Mr.GOAT2408]

Jordan can't even get 16 assists in his dreams :roll:
Nothing inpressive about 16 assists when you handle the ball as much as LeBron

We've seen glimpse of MJ playing PG - 32/8/8 and he didn't play PG full-time :bowdown:

Make no mistake, LeBron is a PG masquerading as a SF. They call him a forward to make his assists look more impressive

But that's simply not winning basketball. One ball, 5 players :facepalm

[superduper]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=60XIzix3PlE

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Manny getting destroyed as always

[bigkingsfan]

66% load
http://i42.tinypic.com/345lefk.gif

[Gileraracer]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=60XIzix3PlE

Manny rosted once again :lol

[Dr Hawk]

Lebron's teams' position in the league in APG:

2010 Cleveland: 6th
2011 Miami: 26th
2012 Miami 2012: 20th
2013 Miami 2013: 7th
2014 Miami 2014: 11th
2015 Cleveland: 10th
2016 Cleveland: 13th
2017 Cleveland: 13th
2018 Cleveland: 11th
2019 Lakers: 12th

Pretty consistently outside the Top 10.

Jordan's Bulls position in the league in APG since 1990:

1990 Bulls: 7th
1991 Bulls: 3rd
1992 Bulls: 3rd
1993 Bulls: 6th
1994 Bulls: 7th
1995 Bulls: 10th
1996 Bulls: 5th
1997 Bulls: 2nd
1998 Bulls: 7th

Never outside the Top 10.

Lebron racks up more APG than Jordan though, I guess that matters more than being able to play within a system and maximizing your teammates' performance.

[tpols]

Dude said Kobe. :roll:


kobe got his production in a high level system ~ the triangle, and led highly ranked assist teams.

:confusedshrug:

lebrons aau playground style siphons production from his teammates which is why his teams routinely underachieve.

[knicksman]

Lebron's teams' position in the league in APG:

2010 Cleveland: 6th
2011 Miami: 26th
2012 Miami 2012: 20th
2013 Miami 2013: 7th
2014 Miami 2014: 11th
2015 Cleveland: 10th
2016 Cleveland: 13th
2017 Cleveland: 13th
2018 Cleveland: 11th
2019 Lakers: 12th

Pretty consistently outside the Top 10.

Jordan's Bulls position in the league in APG since 1990:

1990 Bulls: 7th
1991 Bulls: 3rd
1992 Bulls: 3rd
1993 Bulls: 6th
1994 Bulls: 7th
1995 Bulls: 10th
1996 Bulls: 5th
1997 Bulls: 2nd
1998 Bulls: 7th

Never outside the Top 10.

Lebron racks up more APG than Jordan though, I guess that matters more than being able to play within a system and maximizing your teammates' performance.

damn. you would expect that his team would be better than jordan coz of his apg.

[305Baller]

Harden > Bran?

[stalkerforlife]

Lebron's teams' position in the league in APG:

2010 Cleveland: 6th
2011 Miami: 26th
2012 Miami 2012: 20th
2013 Miami 2013: 7th
2014 Miami 2014: 11th
2015 Cleveland: 10th
2016 Cleveland: 13th
2017 Cleveland: 13th
2018 Cleveland: 11th
2019 Lakers: 12th

Pretty consistently outside the Top 10.

Jordan's Bulls position in the league in APG since 1990:

1990 Bulls: 7th
1991 Bulls: 3rd
1992 Bulls: 3rd
1993 Bulls: 6th
1994 Bulls: 7th
1995 Bulls: 10th
1996 Bulls: 5th
1997 Bulls: 2nd
1998 Bulls: 7th

Never outside the Top 10.

Lebron racks up more APG than Jordan though, I guess that matters more than being able to play within a system and maximizing your teammates' performance.

Damn.

[hiphopanonymous]

LeBron likes to freeze the ball and dribble the air out of it.

No surprise there.

Never seen a team LeBron was on that he didn't end up dominating the ball - regardless of what ball handlers and floor generals he teamed up with.

This is another "great" trait of his, his fanatics will tell you.

Meanwhile his 4 other teammates at any given time are constantly waved off into the farthest corners away from the key as possible, or asked to set a high screen. All to allow him to "do his thing" (which is predictably charge like a rhino into the paint, causing frequent desperation bail out passes).

If you aren't okay with being a non-ball handling spot up shooter, you aren't a good fit for LeBron. He will "make you better" though. By taking away all your responsibilities you can just focus on shooting the hot potato with 2 seconds left. If you actually want to play 5 on 5 you'd best find another team - and hit those shots or you'll be traded "it's not like you're getting fired".

[ronniec]

Nothing inpressive about 16 assists when you handle the ball as much as LeBron

We've seen glimpse of MJ playing PG - 32/8/8 and he didn't play PG full-time :bowdown:

Make no mistake, LeBron is a PG masquerading as a SF. They call him a forward to make his assists look more impressive

But that's simply not winning basketball. One ball, 5 players :facepalm

The triple double is an icing of the cake when winning games.

You get the glory but the team lost, your teammates suffer, what's the point?

[tpols]

wow 2011 heat 26th rank... major red flag on their dynasty potential.

[ronniec]

LeBron likes to freeze the ball and dribble the air out of it.

No surprise there.

Never seen a team LeBron was on that he didn't end up dominating the ball - regardless of what ball handlers and floor generals he teamed up with.

This is another "great" trait of his, his fanatics will tell you.

Meanwhile his 4 other teammates at any given time are constantly waved off into the farthest corners away from the key as possible, or asked to set a high screen. All to allow him to "do his thing" (which is predictably charge like a rhino into the paint, causing frequent desperation bail out passes).

If you aren't okay with being a non-ball handling spot up shooter, you aren't a good fit for LeBron. He will "make you better" though. By taking away all your responsibilities you can just focus on shooting the hot potato with 2 seconds left. If you actually want to play 5 on 5 you'd best find another team - and hit those shots or you'll be traded "it's not like you're getting fired".

Too bad no one doing this.
Ball hog for 15 seconds, then drive in and kick the ball out to Lebron and have him to make the basket with 2 seconds left.
See how he feels being left out like this.

[Phoenix]

Jordan can't even get 16 assists in his dreams :roll:

His career high is 17 in 89.

[TheBranStan]

1-9

[tamaraw08]

Lebron's teams' position in the league in APG:

2010 Cleveland: 6th
2011 Miami: 26th
2012 Miami 2012: 20th
2013 Miami 2013: 7th
2014 Miami 2014: 11th
2015 Cleveland: 10th
2016 Cleveland: 13th
2017 Cleveland: 13th
2018 Cleveland: 11th
2019 Lakers: 12th

Pretty consistently outside the Top 10.

Jordan's Bulls position in the league in APG since 1990:

1990 Bulls: 7th
1991 Bulls: 3rd
1992 Bulls: 3rd
1993 Bulls: 6th
1994 Bulls: 7th
1995 Bulls: 10th
1996 Bulls: 5th
1997 Bulls: 2nd
1998 Bulls: 7th

Never outside the Top 10.

Lebron racks up more APG than Jordan though, I guess that matters more than being able to play within a system and maximizing your teammates' performance.

hey 3ball, err Dr Hawk?:confusedshrug:
Are you aware of 3ball's all time top 75 ORTG teams?
3 of top 5 or 6 was Houston with a VERY BALL DOMINANT player in Harden.
And yet they are currently 3RD WORST in assists, assist ratio. etc last year they ranked 26th.
Most of Lebron's team esp Cavs ranked 3rd with Kyrie and 5th without Kyrie in ORTG. but but but. Yes, go check Lebron's teams ORTG in the finals... but but but GSW sucked on defense. and yet they ranked 11th and 2nd 2 years ago in DRTG.. BUT BUT BUT.....:banghead: :banghead:

[BigKobeFan]

how hard is it to get 16 assists when you have 90% of the ball in your hands

Then you dish it for the next guy to shoot.

[Hey Yo]

how hard is it to get 16 assists when you have 90% of the ball in your hands

Then you dish it for the next guy to shoot.
So what you're saying is..... is that Magic is overrated?

How hard is it to get 16 assists when one of your teammates has the most unstoppable shot ever?

[BigKobeFan]

So what you're saying is..... is that Magic is overrated?

How hard is it to get 16 assists when one of your teammates has the most unstoppable shot ever?

He's no kobe.

[PP34Deuce]

16 assists but watching the game he really didn't turn over the ball.

Funny narrative but the narrative should be him getting frustrated and refusing to take advantage of mis-matches because he was annoyed by his teammates effort. He pouts on the court.

They need the all star break but I think they will surprisingly play Houston and win tomorrow though.

[sd3035]

Lebron is 1/9

2 series were clearly rigged


he'd be 0/9 if it weren't for the Ray Allen miracle