Lebron couldn't win with Shaq...

[Mr. Jabbar]

Discuss

[Sportal]

Discuss

Ok.

What were Shaqs stats the season before?
How old was he?
What else was on the Cavs along with those two players, and their stats?

[Rico2016]

Ok.

What were Shaqs stats the season before?
How old was he?
What else was on the Cavs along with those two players, and their stats?

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[Sportal]

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Even better, what were Shaq's stats whilst playing for the Cavs, and what were they after he left, to check how his twilight years were shaping up. Obviously to determine any irregularities.

[egokiller]

Even Wade won with Shaq. How can you not win with Shaq when Wade and Kobe are able to? It's called he absence of Lebron ball. Shaq commanded a double team the entire time he was in Cavs uniform, it's just that LeBron ball is so toxic that the shooter doesn't get the wide open shot until the shot clock winds down and he's completely out of rhythm.

[Sportal]

Even Wade won with Shaq. How can you not win with Shaq when Wade and Kobe are able to? It's called he absence of Lebron ball. Shaq commanded a double team the entire time he was in Cavs uniform, it's just that LeBron ball is so toxic that the shooter doesn't get the wide open shot until the shot clock winds down and he's completely out of rhythm.

Absolutely, it's completely outrageous.

HOW COULD LeBron not win with 12PPG/7REB Shaq. It's unimaginable how they could lose in the Playoffs with him also averaging 11.5PPG/5.5REB on 22 minutes per game. The thought of this, NO!! The near possiblity that this happened blows my mind.

I'm sure it makes you speechless too.

[PickernRoller]

Can't win with a dominant big man clogging the paint. Only skilled mid-range shooters can do that. Lebron isn't one of them.

[egokiller]

Absolutely, it's completely outrageous.

HOW COULD LeBron not win with 12PPG/7REB Shaq. It's unimaginable how they could lose in the Playoffs with him also averaging 11.5PPG/5.5REB on 22 minutes per game. The thought of this, NO!! The near possiblity that this happened blows my mind.

I'm sure it makes you speechless too.

What do Shaqs numbers have to do with Lebron ball being toxic resulting in more finals losses than wins? Those are the the numbers you would expect from someone constantly passing out of the double team. Are you trying to prove my point further? You are doing a great job. So even with Shaq putting those numbers up constantly passing back to Lebron out of the double team, Lebron ball was so toxic that he couldn't even capitalize on the double team resulting in not winning.

The only way you put up assist numbers that low despite passing out of he double team almost the entire time is if it's to a toxic player playing a form of basketball like lebron ball.

[Akrazotile]

Can't win with a dominant big man clogging the paint. Only skilled mid-range shooters can do that. Lebron isn't one of them.


Cant win FMVP without a dominant bigman in the paint doing the heavy lifting. And even then he can only win it 2/7 times.

Only hyper efficient scorer-playmakers can win without that. Kobe isnt one of them.

[PickernRoller]

I thought Pau was a dominant big?

[superduper]

Bran is just straight up trash

[Akrazotile]

I thought Pau was a dominant big?


I got confused for a second okay?? Just NEVER MIND.

Mods, close this ****ing shit thread down, we dont need it.

[3ball]

What were Shaqs stats the season before?


18/8 with 2 blocks and the all-star mvp in 2009

Reduced to 12/7 as lebron's 4th option in 2010





What else was on the Cavs along with those two players, and their stats?


Shaq was 4th option behind Lebron... and Jamison (22/9 before lebron, 16/8 with)... and Mo Williams...

Varejao was all-defense in 2010

That's 4 guys better than 89' pippen, yet MJ took the champs 6 games with a 6 seed, while lebron loses to non-champs with a heavily-favored 1 seed

You can't make this shit up

[superduper]

It's actually pathetic that Bran stans truly think this guys the GOAT

[egokiller]

Lebron stan era.

Where his stans thought that "showing up" was the same as winning.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

And why would they not think this? They grew up in an environment where as little kids if you lost, you still get to got to go for ice cream. No gen X on early millennial born before 1985 ever experienced this, ever. The last generation of pure winners. :applause:

[bullettooth]

Lebron stan era.

Where his stans thought that "showing up" was the same as winning.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

And why would they not think this? They grew up in an environment where as little kids if you lost, you still get to got to go for ice cream. No gen X on early millennial born before 1985 ever experienced this, ever. The last generation of pure winners. :applause:

George Carlin NAILED it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFN3CtcYs0Q

[egokiller]

George Carlin NAILED it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFN3CtcYs0Q

And it's 100% true. :cheers:

[k0kakw0rld]

Different day, same thread. Same garbage posters.

This isn't 2K MyTeam, it's real life. Unless you have proof that 00-01-02 Shaq magically played in 2009 with LeBron James then, ok.

If not then, SHUT THE FVCK UP

[3ball]

Different day, same thread. Same garbage posters.

This isn't 2K MyTeam, it's real life. Unless you have proof that 00-01-02 Shaq magically played in 2009 with LeBron James then, ok.

If not then, SHUT THE FVCK UP
Wade didn't need prime shaq to win

Shaq was 18/8 with 2 blocks and the all-star mvp in 2009

Reduced to 12/7 as lebron's 4th option in 2010

Shaq was 4th option behind Lebron, Jamison and Mo, while Varejao was all-defense in 2010

That's 4 guys better than 89' pippen, yet MJ took the champs 6 games with a 6 seed, while lebron loses to non-champs with a heavily-favored 1 seed..

2010 is the 3rd worst failure of lebron's career, behind 2011 and 2014... 2009, 2007, 2005, and 2017 are next up.. :confusedshrug:

[nashwade]

PP, rondo, ray & KG couldn't win with Shaq either

[egokiller]

Wade didn't need prime shaq to win

Shaq was 18/8 with 2 blocks and the all-star mvp in 2009

Reduced to 12/7 as lebron's 4th option in 2010

Shaq was 4th option behind Lebron, Jamison and Mo, while Varejao was all-defense in 2010

That's 4 guys better than 89' pippen, yet MJ took the champs 6 games with a 6 seed, while lebron loses to non-champs with a heavily-favored 1 seed..

2010 is the 3rd worst failure of lebron's career, behind 2011 and 2014... 2009, 2007, 2005, and 2017 are next up.. :confusedshrug:

Shut
It
Down

:oldlol:

[warriorfan]

Wade didn't need prime shaq to win

Shaq was 18/8 with 2 blocks and the all-star mvp in 2009

Reduced to 12/7 as lebron's 4th option in 2010

Shaq was 4th option behind Lebron, Jamison and Mo, while Varejao was all-defense in 2010

That's 4 guys better than 89' pippen, yet MJ took the champs 6 games with a 6 seed, while lebron loses to non-champs with a heavily-favored 1 seed..

2010 is the 3rd worst failure of lebron's career, behind 2011 and 2014... 2009, 2007, 2005, and 2017 are next up.. :confusedshrug:

This is why we love you

[Real14]

That's sad lol Lebron couldnt win with Shaq. That was very easy for him to win and he blew it:lol

[Sportal]

18/8 with 2 blocks and the all-star mvp in 2009

Reduced to 12/7 as lebron's 4th option in 2010



Shaq was 4th option behind Lebron... and Jamison (22/9 before lebron, 16/8 with)... and Mo Williams...

Varejao was all-defense in 2010

That's 4 guys better than 89' pippen, yet MJ took the champs 6 games with a 6 seed, while lebron loses to non-champs with a heavily-favored 1 seed

You can't make this shit up

Amazing how you dodge the question about Shaq's stats after the Cavs when he went to the Celtics. Because answering that wouldn't suit your agenda eh :facepalm

What did Jamison do after the Cavs?

What did Mo Williams do after the Cavs?

Or Varejao?

:rolleyes:

[sportjames23]

Amazing how you dodge the question about Shaq's stats after the Cavs when he went to the Celtics. Because answering that wouldn't suit your agenda eh :facepalm

What did Jamison do after the Cavs?

What did Mo Williams do after the Cavs?

Or Varejao?

:rolleyes:


Babyboi here is SEETHING. :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

Amazing how you dodge the question about Shaq's stats after the Cavs when he went to the Celtics. Because answering that wouldn't suit your agenda eh :facepalm

What did Jamison do after the Cavs?

What did Mo Williams do after the Cavs?

Or Varejao?

:rolleyes:

Varejao was averaging 14/14 in 2012 before his season-ending injury, he was a great player, but he was unfortunate to pile up serious injuries.

Mo put up the same numbers the year before joining Lebron and played good ball after Lebron left. Mo was still putting up 14 ppg in 2015.

Jamison was putting up 20+ ppg like every year before joining Lebron and was still putting up 18 ppg in his mid-30s on tanking Cavs teams.

Shaq averaged 12/7 on 57%FG 23MPG in Cleveland and 9/5 67%FG 20 MPG in Boston. He played less minutes, but was more effective.

[Koresh]

Wade didn't need prime shaq to win

Shaq was 18/8 with 2 blocks and the all-star mvp in 2009

Reduced to 12/7 as lebron's 4th option in 2010

Shaq was 4th option behind Lebron, Jamison and Mo, while Varejao was all-defense in 2010

That's 4 guys better than 89' pippen, yet MJ took the champs 6 games with a 6 seed, while lebron loses to non-champs with a heavily-favored 1 seed..

2010 is the 3rd worst failure of lebron's career, behind 2011 and 2014... 2009, 2007, 2005, and 2017 are next up.. :confusedshrug:

Shaq was in better shape when he went to Miami and also 3 years younger before he was in Cleveland. He was not in his prime anymore. :biggums:

The dumbest shit I've ever heard to discredit LeBron is "Big Z was an all-star in 2005" and "LeBron couldn't win with old, fat Shaq who retired a season later."

Does any dumb ass on this forum think MDE Shaq and LeBron wouldn't win multiple titles together? 2009-2010 Cavs overachieved like a lot of NBA teams do, e.g. the Raptors of the 2010s, 2015 Hawks, etc. Who cares? Regular season is different than the post-season. It's all about matchups and adjustments.

Shaq winning with Wade has nothing to do with LeBron having 37-year-old Shaq on his team. Stop cherry-picking. '06 Heat was top 10 in defense and offense. Had a lot of HOFs on that team.

I would like to read actual basketball discussions on this forum for once, please. I lose brain cells when I come here.

[Duncan21formvp]

He couldn't even get out of round 2 with a guy who won 3 finals mvp's, league mvp and the allstar game mvp the season before.

[Duncan21formvp]

That's sad lol Lebron couldnt win with Shaq. That was very easy for him to win and he blew it:lol

Agreed! Especially when you look at the pivotal game 5 vs Boston, Shaq showed up and Lebron didn't when Lebron had HCA.

[Smoke117]

Wade didn't need prime shaq to win

Shaq was 18/8 with 2 blocks and the all-star mvp in 2009

Reduced to 12/7 as lebron's 4th option in 2010

Shaq was 4th option behind Lebron, Jamison and Mo, while Varejao was all-defense in 2010

That's 4 guys better than 89' pippen, yet MJ took the champs 6 games with a 6 seed, while lebron loses to non-champs with a heavily-favored 1 seed..

2010 is the 3rd worst failure of lebron's career, behind 2011 and 2014... 2009, 2007, 2005, and 2017 are next up.. :confusedshrug:

Shaq much took the same amount of shots in 09 that he did in 2010 per 36. (13.4) He just wasn't as good. His fg% dropped about 5-6 points. I love how you always just throw out numbers without any context. Mention his points and rebounds per game, but make no mention of the fact that he played 7 less minutes in 2010 compared to 2009. He actually averaged more rpg per 36 in 2010, dumb shit.

[RRR3]

Anyone else notice how Duncan21formvp has random LeBroncentric meltdowns where he will bump about 10 or more old LeBron hate threads or old LeBron comparison threads in the span of a few minutes? Very demented individual.

[Turbo Slayer]

Shaq was old and past his prime. He retired 1 year later.

[Lebron23]

Anyone else notice how Duncan21formvp has random LeBroncentric meltdowns where he will bump about 10 or more old LeBron hate threads or old LeBron comparison threads in the span of a few minutes? Very demented individual. He is a Kobetard. Probably one of Welfarefan sock accounts.

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This guy didn't start watching basketball until after 2010.

[AussieSteve]

Shaq was 38 years old, obese and didn't play a game over the last two months of the RS. He wasn't exactly in game shape come playoff time.

[hiphopanonymous]

The most frustrating thing about it was that in the Playoffs LeBron visibly gave up the final game and SHAQ, with all the stigma he gets for being lazy or old or whatever, was still competing. Shaq still competed down to the final moments of the game. LeBron didn't he visibly gave up with plenty of time to have turned the game around but laid down instead. That always stuck with me.

[AussieSteve]

The most frustrating thing about it was that in the Playoffs LeBron visibly gave up the final game and SHAQ, with all the stigma he gets for being lazy or old or whatever, was still competing. Shaq still competed down to the final moments of the game. LeBron didn't he visibly gave up with plenty of time to have turned the game around but laid down instead. That always stuck with me.

Dude. This is complete BS.

For one thing, a couple of turnovers aside, lebron played a great 4th quarter. He was the reason it was within 7pts with 2.mins left after being a 14 pt margin a few mins earlier.

But more to the point, Shaq wasn't even on the court in the last 5 mins.of the game, which shows that your post is just made up trash and not some memory that 'stuck with you'

[Whoah10115]

cause shaq was old.had several surgeyies too old.''

shaq started too suck after 2006

There could always be conversation here but both sides too busy calling the other delusional and hateful and whatever else.

You all do suck.