What

[Dray n Klay]

There

[Mask the Embiid]

He completely copied everything about another man down to his shadow.

More than half his rings he had a better player on his team.

I dont like his fans and i dont like the team he played for

[GoSpursGo1984]

There’s plenty to choose from, what’s your reason?
Why are you a loser who should have never been conceived there are plenty of reasons to choose from

[bigkingsfan]

Eye test.

[Bernie Nips]

I think there are 10 better players than him.

[Celtics 1825]

I have him around 9-10, but he's not higher because of inefficiency and only having 2 rings without Shaq.

[MJistheGOAT]

I think there are 10 better players than him.

Same, but I have 11 better players than 12be

[red1]

kobe is definitely one of the greatest of all-time. if we're ranking top 10 most entertaining he's definitely in there, guaranteed. even if we're looking at career success which is very different from entertainment value then he's also probably in there around 8 or 9 or 10.

as far as ability on the court there are a lot of players all-time who did their thing and killed it. he's borderline top 10 definitely top 12 in that category.

[L8krH8tr]

selfish ballhog rapist

[TheBranStan]

All of the above but I picked the 'Never had a good Finals' one.

[red1]

I have him around 9-10, but he's not higher because of inefficiency and only having 2 rings without Shaq.
this is actually very reasonable. to be fair he spent most of his career with shaq so we have to him his credit for doing his thing and winning three chips as a top 5 player in the league.

[k0kakw0rld]

Missed the most shots in the history of the league.

[sbw19]

Lost two finals. That's a alot by my standard.

[superduper]

Because 95% of people that have touched an NBA court know Kobe is better than Bran and it kills us inside :(

[kennethgriffen]

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]


What

[Celtics 1825]

this is actually very reasonable. to be fair he spent most of his career with shaq so we have to him his credit for doing his thing and winning three chips as a top 5 player in the league.
Agree, he was still a solid contributor in 01 and 02 despite Shaq being the main option

[kennethgriffen]

Missed the most shots in the history of the league.


how does a guy become the all time guard scoring leader without missing more shots than the 2 bigs ahead of him that never shot threes

its nearly impossible

[PickernRoller]

https://mc-upload.memecdn.com/0098cdb9-273d-430e-a1c1-76a9587c3a91

[Dray n Klay]

how does a guy become the all time guard scoring leader without missing more shots than the 2 bigs ahead of him that never shot threes

its nearly impossible

LeBron is a guard that will score more points in less shots

[G0ATbe]

Should've had an all of the above.

[kennethgriffen]

LeBron is a guard that will score more points in less shots


you and lebron both wish he was a guard and not a power forward pretending to be one out of fear of having to post up

[red1]

Agree, he was still a solid contributor in 01 and 02 despite Shaq being the main option
Yup. He was also top 5 in the league IMO so that counts for a lot.

[NBASTATMAN]

you forgot all the above :banana: :cheers:

[kennethgriffen]

Yup. He was also top 5 in the league IMO so that counts for a lot.


kobes playoff run was the best in the NBA in 2001.. he was the best 2 way player and carrying the lakers vs the toughest teams.. top 5 is an understatement. kobe was the greatest 22 year old in history

[superduper]

you and lebron both wish he was a guard and not a power forward pretending to be one out of fear of having to post up

Imagine him trying to post up and use footwork on every play.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Dray n Klay]

you and lebron both wish he was a guard and not a power forward pretending to be one out of fear of having to post up


The difference between a guard and a PF is 2 inches of height (Kobe/LeBron)?

[red1]

kobes playoff run was the best in the NBA in 2001.. he was the best 2 way player and carrying the lakers vs the toughest teams.. top 5 is an understatement. kobe was the greatest 22 year old in history
01 was a great run for kobe. I remember the playoffs that year very well for several reasons. He arguably was as good as shaq but only in terms of on court production and not the fact that shaq was literally destroying every team making them shook to even play him in the first place.

that's the reason a lot of people that another swingman could've taken kobe's place - he was feasting off the fact that teams were so shook of playing shaq.

I think if you asked anyone in the lakers organization who the most valuable player was - they all (including kobe) would say shaq with no hesitation.

[Bronbron23]

Because they don't know anything about basketball

[kennethgriffen]

01 was a great run for kobe. I remember the playoffs that year very well for several reasons. He arguably was as good as shaq but only in terms of on court production and not the fact that shaq was literally destroying every team making them shook to even play him in the first place.

that's the reason a lot of people that another swingman could've taken kobe's place - he was feasting off the fact that teams were so shook of playing shaq.

I think if you asked anyone in the lakers organization who the most valuable player was - they all (including kobe) would say shaq with no hesitation.


if anyone playing with shaq could do what kobe did (without massive referee collusion) then it would have happened considering shaq played with countless great players throughout his career

kobe proved he could do what he did with or without shaq. that argument has been thoroughly debunked

i watched the games too and shaq sat a ton because of foul trouble or hackashaq. kobe wasnt doing anything different with shaq on the bench

a year later he dropped 56 in 3 quarters with shaq out. then a year after that he had 9 straight 40 point games with shaq out for most of them


shaq had nothing to do with kobes greatness. he never did. which is why they split up so we could find out

[superduper]

The difference between a guard and a PF is 2 inches of height (Kobe/LeBron)?

Bigger difference than Jordan to Payton

[red1]

if anyone playing with shaq could do what kobe did (without massive referee collusion) then it would have happened considering shaq played with countless great players throughout his career

kobe proved he could do what he did with or without shaq. that argument has been thoroughly debunked

i watched the games too and shaq sat a ton because of foul trouble or hackashaq. kobe wasnt doing anything different with shaq on the bench

a year later he dropped 56 in 3 quarters with shaq out. then a year after that he had 9 straight 40 point games with shaq out for most of them


shaq had nothing to do with kobes greatness. he never did. which is why they split up so we could find out
I'm not a hater I troll here but I already acknowledged that kobe was great with and without shaq. I'm a raps fan of course I already know that kobe is arguably the GOAT offensive player when it comes to 1-on-1 scoring. it's the same reason MJ always sucks him off - MJ was the same type of player in that regard.

[Dray n Klay]

Bigger difference than Jordan to Payton

Nice math


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[Dray n Klay]

lol

[coin24]

He's in the top 5:cheers:

Stay melting down wheels, LeBaldo stains on suicide watch:lol

[72-10]

kobes playoff run was the best in the NBA in 2001.. he was the best 2 way player and carrying the lakers vs the toughest teams.. top 5 is an understatement. kobe was the greatest 22 year old in history

that might have been Dwight Howard.

[72-10]

He's in the top 5:cheers:

Stay melting down wheels, LeBaldo stains on suicide watch:lol

I don't think he's in the top five. I do think there's no doubt that Kobe is top 10, though, but he's at 10, rendering this thread useless.

Kobe's career was almost as great as LeBron's has been.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

He completely copied everything about another man down to his shadow.

More than half his rings he had a better player on his team.

I dont like his fans and i dont like the team he played for



Bingo. Plus too many shit the bed moment (vs. the Suns, 2004 Finals, 2008 losing by 40 to the Celtics, snitching on Shaq, etc.)

[Gileraracer]

Because he has more rings than my idol lebron :mad:

[ImKobe]

01 was a great run for kobe. I remember the playoffs that year very well for several reasons. He arguably was as good as shaq but only in terms of on court production and not the fact that shaq was literally destroying every team making them shook to even play him in the first place.

that's the reason a lot of people that another swingman could've taken kobe's place - he was feasting off the fact that teams were so shook of playing shaq.

I think if you asked anyone in the lakers organization who the most valuable player was - they all (including kobe) would say shaq with no hesitation.

http://a.espncdn.com/nba/playoffs2001/2001/0531/1207916.html


"I've always held the bar up very high for Kobe and he's not only reached that bar, but he's jumping over the top of it right now," Phil Jackson said. "It's the best that I've seen a player of mine play with an overall court game."

Western Conference teams absolutely knew how to defend Shaq, it's why Kobe always had to come up big in key games for them to reach the Finals. Shaq feasted against EC teams, but a lot of it had to do with how teams would defend the Lakers, and that's also something they both understood.

They took turns against teams depending on how they were being defended. EC teams played Shaq man-to-man and forced the ball out of Kobe's hands while the WC teams had the bigs to match up with Shaq and Kobe had more opportunities to dominate.

Kobe would have won 2 FMVPS with Shaq had the Spurs been their Finals' opponent.

[SamuraiSWISH]

2002 Finals he was good
2009 Finals he was very good

[Dray n Klay]

2002 Finals he was good
2009 Finals he was very good

Let me guess.

Jordan in 1996 was also good :roll:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Let me guess.

Jordan in 1996 was also good :roll:
For his standards, no. But better than:

Kobe 2000
Kobe 2004
LeBron 2007
LeBron 2011

That