Your friendly neighbor Amazon hasn't paid a dime in taxes two years straight!

[PickernRoller]

Just to let you all know as you do your taxes and count your pennies.

[SomeBlackDude]

something something sochulizm something something npc.

[iamgine]

They employ 600,000+ people though. Those people sure pay taxes.

[tpols]

bezos has trump firmly by the balls.

[ScalsFan21]

The real welfare queen.

That and we need to elect people who will enforce antitrust laws.

[fiddy]

They employ 600,000+ people though. Those people sure pay taxes.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[hold this L]

It's pathetic but this is how the world works unfortunately. :cry: Imagine if people like him paid 40% taxes, we would likely not need to pay as much and be in a better financial state.

They employ 600,000+ people though. Those people sure pay taxes.
I can't tell if this is a joke or you're this dumb.

[Cleverness]

bezos has cuomo firmly by the balls. ftfy

https://naturalgasnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/andrew_cuomo2-512x341.jpg

"We are witness to a cynical game in which Amazon duped New York into offering unprecedented amounts of tax dollars to one of the wealthiest companies on Earth for a promise of jobs that would represent less than 3 percent of the jobs typically created in our city over a 10-year period," (https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Amazon-New-York-Tax-Breaks-Grants-Long-Island-City-Queens-500440991.html)

:eek:

[bigkingsfan]

He's about to pay up $66 billion

[Kblaze8855]

It's pathetic but this is how the world works unfortunately. Imagine if people like him paid 40% taxes, we would likely not need to pay as much and be in a better financial state.

You dont pay taxes on your net worth. Or did you think Jeff Bezos has 120 billion in taxable income?

I believe I read that he pulls out a billion or so a year to finance some side projects and he would have to pay taxes that way but hes not directly taxed on what his company is worth.

[NumberSix]

It's pathetic but this is how the world works unfortunately. :cry: Imagine if people like him paid 40% taxes, we would likely not need to pay as much and be in a better financial state.
40% of what? Like 99% of his wealth is Amazon shares. There’s nothing to tax.

[Ben Simmons 25]

I’m torn on this...

Part of me is like “**** those crooked bastards” but part of me is like God bless them... get as much money as you can get because the government is just going to waste and mismanage whatever you give them.

Corporations absolutely should not be allowed to dodge taxes to this degree while the middle class is getting ****ed in the ass.

BUT...

The flip size of that coin is that citizens shouldn’t be paying an income tax, either.

The IRS needs to go away. It’s a ****ing scam that breeds corruption on multiple levels of society.

[Jasper]

amazon is owned by a republican .

rich get richer , and sorry as$'s like us loss it.

[Kblaze8855]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]40% of what? Like 99% of his wealth is Amazon shares. There

[highwhey]

ftfy

https://naturalgasnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/andrew_cuomo2-512x341.jpg

"We are witness to a cynical game in which Amazon duped New York into offering unprecedented amounts of tax dollars to one of the wealthiest companies on Earth for a promise of jobs that would represent less than 3 percent of the jobs typically created in our city over a 10-year period," (https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Amazon-New-York-Tax-Breaks-Grants-Long-Island-City-Queens-500440991.html)

:eek:
didn't they just pullback from their Queens HQ?

[CelticBaller]

They paid corporate taxes lol

[Hawker]

Created a lot of jobs directly and indirectly and provided a ton of products to individuals who were not able to get them without Amazon so that's really all that matters.

[warriorfan]

Created a lot of jobs directly and indirectly and provided a ton of products to individuals who were not able to get them without Amazon so that's really all that matters.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/amazon-is-worth-dollar1-trillion-its-workers-are-on-food-stamps

[Hawker]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/amazon-is-worth-dollar1-trillion-its-workers-are-on-food-stamps

Remove the food stamps.

[warriorfan]

Remove the food stamps.

Ok?

[Kblaze8855]

Is it supposed to be shocking that someone with a part time job can qualify for food stamps?

How much would you have to be paid to work 18-25 hours a week and be out of the food stamp range?

I read a woman on Facebook complain about not being able to get any when she made like 11 dollars an hour working full time. The article mentioned that the workers are part time.

I guess standards vary by state but here? I bet you would have to make 8 bucks an hour to work full time and qualify without a gang of kids to claim. Kids are factored in like rent on food stamp applications.

You have like 4 kids and claim 800 for rent you might get food stamps making 17 dollars an hour.

[NumberSix]

Here’s how stupid ‘progressives’ are. They apparently think that ‘giving tax breaks’ to Amazon literally means giving them money.

Amazon was going to get a $3 billion tax break. AOC thinks that means that the state of New York was going to GIVE Amazon $3 billion. She’s now happy that Amazon is not going to NY and thinks that this $3 billion can be used to build a subway.

These people are financial illiterates. No wonder they think socialism is good.

[Kblaze8855]

I remember hearing people mad about tax breaks my state(South carolina) gave BMW in the early 90s. Talking about this huge company taking advantage...

Now 50,000 people here work for BMW or one of its support companies(ZF transmissions, several shipping companies, Magna who makes interiors and so on). Now every family has 2-3 people working directly or indirectly for BMW. You get on the main line(12-20 thousand people depending on which lines run) you start at 19 bucks an hour with a guaranteed 29 dollars an hour after 5 years. That plus a no credit check insurance included no money down vehicle lease plan? 20 yearolds driving 2018 BMWs all over the state paying 150-200 a check not having to pay insurance getting to switch them out every 10 thousand miles. 350 a month for a new car with no insurance? When you make 20-30 bucks an hour? Its nothing. BMW sees it as advertising.

Took whole communities of poor people and made them home owners. South Carolina has 45 counties....36 of them have BMW related factories. They spent billions in infrastructure building the inland port rail lines and financing city buses for everyone to help employees get to work.

State had lost 60,000 textile jobs in the late 80s. My city used to be the #1 textile manufacturing city in America but those jobs went away as machines took over. BMW got tax breaks...but now the entire state depends on them to run.

Its restaurants, corner stores, and so on. BMW buys out local theme parks for employee days all the time. Buys the whole park at Carowinds or Six Flags for employees and family to go free. How much money must that cost?

They are tied into about 17 billion dollars in business here every year and some of the same politicians mad about the tax breaks are now on tv talking about how important it is to keep BMW and lure additional companies. We just promised 200 million in tax breaks to get Volvo to come too.

Long term....its a really insane contribution to local jobs. Volvo is pretty much building a new town in a formerly empty stretch of highway for all the people they have to employ. Used to be literally....empty polluted swamp from the ruins of old textile plants overgrown with ivy and moss. Now its acres of apartments, restaurants, plants, and so on.

4000 jobs already and more to come.

You gotta do something to get the companies in. Stand on principle all you like and watch the neighboring state get 50,000 good jobs. Skilled labor moved here in droves from NC and Georgia. BMW started paying for college for new engineer here and sending people to germany to learn the business. Its been a really insane transformation for a lot of the state.

Im sure its less of an issue in New York though. They have a lot more places to get money than a place like south carolina.

[Norcaliblunt]

Amazon is like new age communism. A technocratic centralized distribution hub that allocates resources to the masses.

I don’t only think that they should pay no taxes, but they should receive tax dollars to help them build an even better system.

[Pushxx]

The IRS is not the best way to collect/steal money from our country’s hard-working citizens. It’s designed intentionally to be confusing. Notice that usage or flat tax ideas always disappear from discussion but taxing/screwing the middle class continues.

[highwhey]

.
car manufacturers pay good wages. i know toyota in texas pays like $26/hr for a new guy at the assembly line.

amazon pays their workers like $11 per hour, and they have a good amount of seasonal workers. those wages are stupid low for the cost of living. it's not even comparable to what a car manufacturer would pay.

per google: When factoring in bonuses and additional compensation, a Amazon Warehouse Worker at Amazon can expect to make an average total pay of $26,775

that's a barely livable wage. saving up money will be extremely difficult unless you don't pay rent. i've lived off that wage before. even if you're extremely froogle, you're working just to survive.

also, their jeff is no different than our jeff, apparently he turns off the a/c in the warehouse to save money. every million counts tho.

[tpols]

[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt]Amazon is like new age communism. A technocratic centralized distribution hub that allocates resources to the masses.

I don

[Akrazotile]

car manufacturers pay good wages. i know toyota in texas pays like $26/hr for a new guy at the assembly line.

amazon pays their workers like $11 per hour, and they have a good amount of seasonal workers. those wages are stupid low for the cost of living. it's not even comparable to what a car manufacturer would pay.

per google: When factoring in bonuses and additional compensation, a Amazon Warehouse Worker at Amazon can expect to make an average total pay of $26,775

that's a barely livable wage. saving up money will be extremely difficult unless you don't pay rent. i've lived off that wage before. even if you're extremely froogle, you're working just to survive.

also, their jeff is no different than our jeff, apparently he turns off the a/c in the warehouse to save money. every million counts tho.

Im sure the car manufacturers arent doing it as charity.

26/hr is apparently what it costs to retain enough workers with the necessary skill and interest for that job.

For Amazon’s job, it’s less.


How many people complaining about Amazon do you think ordered a bunch of packages from them last Christmas?

You said the other day you have a Prime account, right?

[Kblaze8855]

car manufacturers pay good wages. i know toyota in texas pays like $26/hr for a new guy at the assembly line.

amazon pays their workers like $11 per hour, and they have a good amount of seasonal workers. those wages are stupid low for the cost of living. it's not even comparable to what a car manufacturer would pay.

per google: When factoring in bonuses and additional compensation, a Amazon Warehouse Worker at Amazon can expect to make an average total pay of $26,775

that's a barely livable wage. saving up money will be extremely difficult unless you don't pay rent. i've lived off that wage before. even if you're extremely froogle, you're working just to survive.

also, their jeff is no different than our jeff, apparently he turns off the a/c in the warehouse to save money. every million counts tho.



The Amazon warehouse here is right near the main BMW place. The people I know at Amazon make $14-$18 an hour. Not that it matters. I don

[NumberSix]

i heard someone on the radio call them a quasi-government... they pretty much are. They have more leverage than the real government.
Leverage with regard to where they locate their own business?

[highwhey]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]The Amazon warehouse here is right near the main BMW place. The people I know at Amazon make $14-$18 an hour. Not that it matters. I don

[NumberSix]

i'm not going to argue about unskilled positions getting paid sh1t wages. i'm arguing why should amazon forego any taxes when the jobs they provide are low value and lead to employees having to depend on government services for financial assistance? they're not as bad as walmart i suppose, but no one living on a barely livable wage will be able to be independent from social services like food stamps or government subsidized health care. that's my point.

no doubt unskilled labor deserves low wages, but their employer shouldn't get the same tax break as a corporation that has a net positive effect on the economy.
Amazon was going to add an estimated $27 billion to New York’s economy. Now they get nothing. They’re still not getting that $3 billion and they lost out on the $27 billion. Why turn away $27 billion over $3 billion that you never had anyway?

Now, from my own personal point of view, Amazon shouldn’t be getting special tax exemptions that other businesses don’t get. But that’s me. These left wingers don’t care about that. They rather poor people stay poor if it prevents rich people from getting richer.

[Kblaze8855]

i'm not going to argue about unskilled positions getting paid sh1t wages. i'm arguing why should amazon forego any taxes when the jobs they provide are low value and lead to employees having to depend on government services for financial assistance?

Tell the people clamoring to get one the jobs are low value. A place like Amazon start to hire 100,000 people put in for it inside a month. Reading up on the BMW plant coming here and the political reaction....I saw 60,000 people applied there right away. And that was greenville Sc not new york city. And most of those jobs paid about the same(inflation considered) as amazon jobs pay now. It was a long time to become what it is today.

The Amazon warehouse here pays more starting than just about anyone shy of BMW, GE, or Michelin but many of those jobs require some kind of qualification. People walk in with no skills and make 15-16 bucks at Amazon. Its not bad.


they're not as bad as walmart i suppose, but no one living on a barely livable wage will be able to be independent from social services like food stamps or government subsidized health care. that's my point.

You really gotta note the difference between "be able" and "choose to". I never had assistance when I was poor and my mom wouldnt get it when we were kids either. Id have been ashamed to be on food stamps. Im not judging people who do it...I just never wanted to. Im not even saying it was smart...just that it happened.

Also...

There will always be low paying jobs. It doesnt matter if you pay most employees 20 bucks an hour...someone has to put the blue thing in the toilet, wheel around a muffin cart, or answer phones before directing people to more qualified specific assistants who themselves mostly answer phones but have more responsibility on top of it.

You dont decide if a companies 50,000 jobs are a positive based on a cut of them being jobs for people who have no special talent or drive. Amazon bumped the minimum pay for most of its jobs to 15 an hour and took everyone making that or more already up a dollar from whatever it was. I dont doubt some people in related jobs dont make that...much like some people at BMW here dont make the 20-29. They work for subcontractors that just pay whatever they pay....but are used as a stepping stone to work directly for the bigger company. But that is the kind of shit work I mentioned. Support work...not really work specific to what the company requires.

I know a lot of people at these places. Both BMW and Amazon. They employ a LOT of people around here. As I said...it starts at 15 an hour for warehouse work:

*from their job board*



Shifts:
Over-night, Early Morning, Day, Evening, Weekend

Location
Greenville
Job opportunities vary by location. We update postings daily with open positions.

Salary
$15.00 per hour. Up to $16 with shift differential on shifts that are overnight and include weekends. (Saturday and Sunday)

But most people work nights as well and make 16. Unless they were already making it in December when they bumped the pay. A lot of people making 17-18 now and I have yet to hear a horror story. Its a job. People dont always like it...but thats why they pay you to be there.



no doubt unskilled labor deserves low wages, but their employer shouldn't get the same tax break as a corporation that has a net positive effect on the economy.

You realize cities bid for Amazon to come right?

Including mine. We had a 3 county pitch to get them to come here trying to use the success of BMW to show how a smaller town can work for a giant company.

A city like New York has less to gain than most smaller places but an Amazon headquarters is downright transformative.

Most places? Not only would it be a massive influx of jobs paying 15+ an hour it would be a million+ square foot complex requiring materials, labor, and support to build and maintain. It would transform everything near it. Infrastructure jobs for decades....your local airport would grow to accommodate it. IT would support countless smaller operations with fleet vehicle requirements, parts, shipping, drivers, and so on. BMW being here forced so much shit to be built to support it we became able to support many other businesses.

BMW forcing port redesigns, inland port rail systems from the coast, and hundreds of local factories to contribute is why we can now bring in Volvo without starting from scratch. Its also entirely possible we could never have brought in BMW if GE didnt get tax breaks to built the biggest turbine generator plant on earth here before them. Also required infrastructure changes. Better roads...access...ports. GE and BMW made local engineering schools needed. Its how we got a great technical college going back in the day.

Cities will rebuild to accommodate these companies because the jobs and support they need to keep running fuels a local economy forever by making them more attractive for additional investment.

The city that got Amazon would be made an international player overnight. A place for tech people to settle. It would bring new home construction and dozens of new apartment complexes....car sales....you would totally transform half your town overnight and the whole thing in 2-3 years.

You cant look at this as tax breaks alone.

Just building the place would cost 5 billion dollars to start. You think that doesnt fuel the local economy? How many electricians, plumbers, and masons are needed to build it? Even if they brought them in from out of state...are they not gonna need living quarters? Food? The support needed to do something like that is insane. Your economy would benefit in many ways beyond the obvious.

As I said it would help a place like New York less....but check back on that place in Virginia thats getting half of it in 10 years. I bet it will be a whole new..not even town. Something like that transforms a handful of towns. It will be a whole new...corner of a state.

200 cities bid for it. They had a good reason.

A facility like this would shape the future of any spot it landed and end up the biggest single infusion of mostly good paying jobs you could realistically have happen in a lifetime.

[highwhey]

Tell the people clamoring to get one the jobs are low value. A place like Amazon start to hire 100,000 people put in for it inside a month. Reading up on the BMW plant coming here and the political reaction....I saw 60,000 people applied there right away. And that was greenville Sc not new york city. And most of those jobs paid about the same(inflation considered) as amazon jobs pay now. It was a long time to become what it is today.

The Amazon warehouse here pays more starting than just about anyone shy of BMW, GE, or Michelin but many of those jobs require some kind of qualification. People walk in with no skills and make 15-16 bucks at Amazon. Its not bad.



You really gotta note the difference between "be able" and "choose to". I never had assistance when I was poor and my mom wouldnt get it when we were kids either. Id have been ashamed to be on food stamps. Im not judging people who do it...I just never wanted to. Im not even saying it was smart...just that it happened.

Also...

There will always be low paying jobs. It doesnt matter if you pay most employees 20 bucks an hour...someone has to put the blue thing in the toilet, wheel around a muffin cart, or answer phones before directing people to more qualified specific assistants who themselves mostly answer phones but have more responsibility on top of it.

You dont decide if a companies 50,000 jobs are a positive based on a cut of them being jobs for people who have no special talent or drive. Amazon bumped the minimum pay for most of its jobs to 15 an hour and took everyone making that or more already up a dollar from whatever it was. I dont doubt some people in related jobs dont make that...much like some people at BMW here dont make the 20-29. They work for subcontractors that just pay whatever they pay....but are used as a stepping stone to work directly for the bigger company. But that is the kind of shit work I mentioned. Support work...not really work specific to what the company requires.

I know a lot of people at these places. Both BMW and Amazon. They employ a LOT of people around here. As I said...it starts at 15 an hour for warehouse work:

*from their job board*




But most people work nights as well and make 16. Unless they were already making it in December when they bumped the pay. A lot of people making 17-18 now and I have yet to hear a horror story. Its a job. People dont always like it...but thats why they pay you to be there.




You realize cities bid for Amazon to come right?

Including mine. We had a 3 county pitch to get them to come here trying to use the success of BMW to show how a smaller town can work for a giant company.

A city like New York has less to gain than most smaller places but an Amazon headquarters is downright transformative.

Most places? Not only would it be a massive influx of jobs paying 15+ an hour it would be a million+ square foot complex requiring materials, labor, and support to build and maintain. It would transform everything near it. Infrastructure jobs for decades....your local airport would grow to accommodate it. IT would support countless smaller operations with fleet vehicle requirements, parts, shipping, drivers, and so on. BMW being here forced so much shit to be built to support it we became able to support many other businesses.

BMW forcing port redesigns, inland port rail systems from the coast, and hundreds of local factories to contribute is why we can now bring in Volvo without starting from scratch. Its also entirely possible we could never have brought in BMW if GE didnt get tax breaks to built the biggest turbine generator plant on earth here before them. Also required infrastructure changes. Better roads...access...ports. GE and BMW made local engineering schools needed. Its how we got a great technical college going back in the day.

Cities will rebuild to accommodate these companies because the jobs and support they need to keep running fuels a local economy forever by making them more attractive for additional investment.

The city that got Amazon would be made an international player overnight. A place for tech people to settle. It would bring new home construction and dozens of new apartment complexes....car sales....you would totally transform half your town overnight and the whole thing in 2-3 years.

You cant look at this as tax breaks alone.

Just building the place would cost 5 billion dollars to start. You think that doesnt fuel the local economy? How many electricians, plumbers, and masons are needed to build it? Even if they brought them in from out of state...are they not gonna need living quarters? Food? The support needed to do something like that is insane. Your economy would benefit in many ways beyond the obvious.

As I said it would help a place like New York less....but check back on that place in Virginia thats getting half of it in 10 years. I bet it will be a whole new..not even town. Something like that transforms a handful of towns. It will be a whole new...corner of a state.

200 cities bid for it. They had a good reason.

A facility like this would shape the future of any spot it landed and end up the biggest single infusion of mostly good paying jobs you could realistically have happen in a lifetime.you realize 200 cities bid for the HQ, right? those are high paying jobs, developers, etc.

[Hawker]

i'm not going to argue about unskilled positions getting paid sh1t wages. i'm arguing why should amazon forego any taxes when the jobs they provide are low value and lead to employees having to depend on government services for financial assistance? they're not as bad as walmart i suppose, but no one living on a barely livable wage will be able to be independent from social services like food stamps or government subsidized health care. that's my point.

no doubt unskilled labor deserves low wages, but their employer shouldn't get the same tax break as a corporation that has a net positive effect on the economy.

Did you just say the Amazon isn't a net positive effect on the economy? Have some perspective. The availability of products that Amazon provides wasn't available until they came around. More people being able to sell their products to a larger customer base is a net positive all around.

They literally deliver next day or same day. Who the **** else is doing that? I can sell a used textbook and make a bit of extra cash.

For the record, Jeff Bezos' parents gave him a $300k investment and he created amazon. And jobs were then created. Trickle down economics doesn't work though. He literally did what liberals continually persecute rich people for doing by "hoarding" their money.

[Kblaze8855]

Apparently the average salary of the 25,000 initial jobs would have been in the 125-150 thousand a year range. In an otherwise shit area that needed it.

I saw a guy mad as hell who lived near it on the news pointing out burnt out cars and vacant buildings salty as **** saying

[Ben Simmons 25]

Apparently the average salary of the 25,000 initial jobs would have been in the 125-150 thousand a year range. In an otherwise shit area that needed it.

I saw a guy mad as hell who lived near it on the news pointing out burnt out cars and vacant buildings salty as **** saying “We needed this!”.

It's just a shame most of congress and people in politics period have no interest in helping the American people as much as they have interest in helping themselves.

Republicans and Democrats alike... it's a sad, sad thing.

[Kblaze8855]

Ive been reading both sides of the argument. Local poor worry about rising rent prices from people making good money continuing to move in when the old shitty vacants are torn down....but local small business was counting on the increased foot traffic. You have one sob story of an old lady with her rent going up....then a different old lady running a sandwich shop who now cant afford to open every day and was positioned to get booming business when thousands of people showed up to rebuild the area.

You have to feel for both but generally.....rebuilding a bad area comes with rising values that force out the poor. Whats the other choice? Let every poor area stay that way forever?

Land lords in NYC cant afford to lower rent to what true poor people can afford. The quarterly property taxes alone make it impossible. They have to make it all government housing that goes by income...which after 20 years is always a bad place to live because of an influx of poor single mothers and eventually their kids and hangers on.

No way to make everyone happy.