injuries/benching derailed kobe's career for 8 years (97,98,05,11,13,14,15,16 )

[kennethgriffen]

realistically kobe was 5 for 7 in 12 total seasons


then if you factor in jerry buss's tanking aspirations while using kobe as a circus animal for 6 seasons admittedly... ask phil.. (05,06,07,14,15,16)


take away 2 more and kobe then actually played just 10 years in the league with a real chance at winning. went to the finals nearly every year


only bill russell matches that level of consistency





https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4013/4655115272_a4ff940c26_b.jpg

[72-10]

please widen your scope beyond Kobe Bryant

[kennethgriffen]

please widen your scope beyond Kobe Bryant


this is the first kobe thread i've made in months

:biggums:

[Phoenix]

Ok.

[sportjames23]

realistically kobe was 5 for 7 in 12 total seasons


then if you factor in jerry buss's tanking aspirations while using kobe as a circus animal for 6 seasons admittedly... ask phil.. (05,06,07,14,15,16)


take away 2 more and kobe then actually played just 10 years in the league with a real chance at winning. went to the finals nearly every year


only bill russell matches that level of consistency





https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4013/4655115272_a4ff940c26_b.jpg


Been a while since I picked up an issue of Slam, but has Lebron ever had an issue dedicated to him? Just wondering, not a dig on Bron.

[kennethgriffen]

Been a while since I picked up an issue of Slam, but has Lebron ever had an issue dedicated to him? Just wondering, not a dig on Bron.


https://soepic.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/0e1e5580d48a763be.jpg

[Manny98]

Only 2 1st option rings when LeBron has 3

Still only 1 MVP when LeBron has 4

Still only one season with a 28+ PER whilst LeBron has 8

0 seasons with at least .250 W/S per 48 when LeBron has 5

LeBron is just superior to Kobe in every way when will you just accept that Kobe is not top 5 worthy

[kennethgriffen]

Only 2 1st option rings when LeBron has 3

Still only 1 MVP when LeBron has 4

Still only one season with a 28+ PER whilst LeBron has 8

0 seasons with at least .250 W/S per 48 when LeBron has 5

LeBron is just superior to Kobe in every way when will you just accept that Kobe is not top 5 worthy


lebron ring chased to get his finals mvps

he left to join 2 other prime future hall of famers to get free accolades. they don't count

if lebron was proud of his sh*t he wouldn't feel a need to remind people all the time about how great he was


the fact that he has bail outs/suspensions/lockouts/roids ontop of that makes it even worse.


lebron is not great. he's being exposed for the fraud he's always been right now. in a real conference he can't even make the playoffs


kobe never missed the playoffs unless his teams were tanking due to massive injuries


the lakers are TRYING to make it right now and are only 2 games out. and they're getting shat on by teams like atlanta


how embarrassing


all your narratives are debunked


5 beats 0

lebron has 0 clean rings


kobe won all 5 with ZERO bail outs, ZERO ring chasing, ZERO collusion, ZERO called in favors/supensions, ZERO lockouts, ZERO steroids and ZERO breaking of any rules


kobe is and will always be better than lebron. don't believe me


ask the world





2016 -

http://www.espn.com/sportsnation/story/_/id/17489819/kobe-bryant-nba-best-player-michael-jordan


https://image.ibb.co/cs3V8d/Screen_Shot_2018_07_23_at_2_06_53_PM.png


2017 -

http://www.espn.com/sportsnation/story/_/id/20227321/sportsnation-how-rank-lebron-james-kobe-bryant

https://image.ibb.co/mJs7od/Screen_Shot_2018_07_23_at_2_05_48_PM.png

2018 -

https://m.facebook.com/FirstTake/posts/1905404669519462

https://image.ibb.co/eQEnod/Screen_Shot_2018_07_23_at_2_08_28_PM.png

[Dray n Klay]

Kenneth list their 35 point triple doubles

[kennethgriffen]

Kenneth list their 35 point triple doubles


westbrook destroyed letriple doubles favorite stat. its not even talked about anymore

[Manny98]

No one cares about your stupid Facebook polls

What matters at the end of the day is 3 1st option rings beats 2

4 MVPs beats 1

And LeBron is vastly superior to Kobe in Win shares,PER,BPM and every single other statistic known to man

Kobe beats LeBron in absolutely nothing except Facebook polls and sidekick rings :roll:

[kennethgriffen]

No one cares about your stupid Facebook polls

What matters at the end of the day is 3 1st option rings beats 2

4 MVPs beats 1

And LeBron is vastly superior to Kobe in Win shares,PER,BPM and every single other statistic known to man

Kobe beats LeBron in absolutely nothing except Facebook polls and sidekick rings :roll:


kareem is arguable GOAT with 2 finals mvps


tons of guys are ahead of nash who has 2 regular season mvps

analytics have chris paul as the 7th greatest player ever ( PER and other formulas have been thoroughly debunked. ask max kellerman about his derozan raptor picks to make the finals the last 3 years )


kobe beats lebron in


- skills ( footwork/post game/mid range/degree of difficulty/off hand/counters/on ball defense are worth more than padding assists by stagnating the offense/chasing rebounds by sagging off defenders )

- legit championships/real finals mvps ( colluding/ring chasing/bail outs/lockouts/suspensions/roids ruin all of lebrons fraudulent success )

- clutch ( protecting your fg%/free throw failures by passing on every difficult clutch shot/drive doesn't help your team )

- leadership ( doesn't blame everything on teammates/puts guys in their correct spots )

- effort ( no DNP's for kobe due to "management/rest".. didn't quit playing defense in the middle of his prime )

- respect ( players/coaches/legends/fans all pick kobe. only nick wright/colin cowherd/max kellerman/shannon sharpe/henry abbott have ever picked lebron )

- brain power ( kobe can follow an intricate offensive system. all lebron knows is basic bran ball )


- resilience ( kobe doesn't just stand in the corner all series. he'll try other things.. if his shots not falling he'll attack the rim/give added effort on defense and tough out a defensive grind it out victory vs a 5 headed monster )




larry bird once said "if you wanna win. pick kobe. if you wanna just have fun. pick lebron"


larry bird is one of the greatest basketball minds in history


you lose. get a new hobby

[Gileraracer]

What matters at the end of the day is 3 1st option rings beats 2



it can't be a 1st option ring when you need two miracle shots to save you.

[Wally450]

He just wasn't a good leader...

[kennethgriffen]

it can't be a 1st option ring when you need two miracle shots to save you.


seriously.. the first option is the guy taking the step back game/title winning 3


kyrie was the first option throughout the 2016 finals. he doubled lebrons scoring when it mattered

lebron only scored more points in garbage time when the cavs were up 15-20

[SouBeachTalents]

lebron ring chased to get his finals mvps

he left to join 2 other prime future hall of famers to get free accolades. they don't count

if lebron was proud of his sh*t he wouldn't feel a need to remind people all the time about how great he was


the fact that he has bail outs/suspensions/lockouts/roids ontop of that makes it even worse.


lebron is not great. he's being exposed for the fraud he's always been right now. in a real conference he can't even make the playoffs


kobe never missed the playoffs unless his teams were tanking due to massive injuries


the lakers are TRYING to make it right now and are only 2 games out. and they're getting shat on by teams like atlanta


how embarrassing


all your narratives are debunked


5 beats 0

lebron has 0 clean rings


kobe won all 5 with ZERO bail outs, ZERO ring chasing, ZERO collusion, ZERO called in favors/supensions, ZERO lockouts, ZERO steroids and ZERO breaking of any rules


kobe is and will always be better than lebron. don't believe me


ask the world





2016 -

http://www.espn.com/sportsnation/story/_/id/17489819/kobe-bryant-nba-best-player-michael-jordan


https://image.ibb.co/cs3V8d/Screen_Shot_2018_07_23_at_2_06_53_PM.png


2017 -

http://www.espn.com/sportsnation/story/_/id/20227321/sportsnation-how-rank-lebron-james-kobe-bryant

https://image.ibb.co/mJs7od/Screen_Shot_2018_07_23_at_2_05_48_PM.png

2018 -

https://m.facebook.com/FirstTake/posts/1905404669519462

https://image.ibb.co/eQEnod/Screen_Shot_2018_07_23_at_2_08_28_PM.png

kareem is arguable GOAT with 2 finals mvps


tons of guys are ahead of nash who has 2 regular season mvps

analytics have chris paul as the 7th greatest player ever ( PER and other formulas have been thoroughly debunked. ask max kellerman about his derozan raptor picks to make the finals the last 3 years )


kobe beats lebron in


- skills ( footwork/post game/mid range/degree of difficulty/off hand/counters/on ball defense are worth more than padding assists by stagnating the offense/chasing rebounds by sagging off defenders )

- legit championships/real finals mvps ( colluding/ring chasing/bail outs/lockouts/suspensions/roids ruin all of lebrons fraudulent success )

- clutch ( protecting your fg%/free throw failures by passing on every difficult clutch shot/drive doesn't help your team )

- leadership ( doesn't blame everything on teammates/puts guys in their correct spots )

- effort ( no DNP's for kobe due to "management/rest".. didn't quit playing defense in the middle of his prime )

- respect ( players/coaches/legends/fans all pick kobe. only nick wright/colin cowherd/max kellerman/shannon sharpe/henry abbott have ever picked lebron )

- brain power ( kobe can follow an intricate offensive system. all lebron knows is basic bran ball )


- resilience ( kobe doesn't just stand in the corner all series. he'll try other things.. if his shots falling he'll attack the rim/give added effort on defense and tough out a defensive grind it out victory vs a 5 headed monster )




larry bird once said "if you wanna win. pick kobe. if you wanna just have fun. pick lebron"


larry bird is one of the greatest basketball minds in history


you lose. get a new hobby
God damn :oldlol: And lol at the irony in the bolded

[Manny98]

kareem is arguable GOAT with 2 finals mvps


tons of guys are ahead of nash who has 2 regular season mvps

analytics have chris paul as the 7th greatest player ever ( PER and other formulas have been thoroughly debunked. ask max kellerman about his derozan raptor picks to make the finals the last 3 years )


kobe beats lebron in


- skills ( footwork/post game/mid range/degree of difficulty/off hand/counters/on ball defense are worth more than padding assists by stagnating the offense/chasing rebounds by sagging off defenders )

- legit championships/real finals mvps ( colluding/ring chasing/bail outs/lockouts/suspensions/roids ruin all of lebrons fraudulent success )

- clutch ( protecting your fg%/free throw failures by passing on every difficult clutch shot/drive doesn't help your team )

- leadership ( doesn't blame everything on teammates/puts guys in their correct spots )

- effort ( no DNP's for kobe due to "management/rest".. didn't quit playing defense in the middle of his prime )

- respect ( players/coaches/legends/fans all pick kobe. only nick wright/colin cowherd/max kellerman/shannon sharpe/henry abbott have ever picked lebron )

- brain power ( kobe can follow an intricate offensive system. all lebron knows is basic bran ball )


- resilience ( kobe doesn't just stand in the corner all series. he'll try other things.. if his shots not falling he'll attack the rim/give added effort on defense and tough out a defensive grind it out victory vs a 5 headed monster )




larry bird once said "if you wanna win. pick kobe. if you wanna just have fun. pick lebron"


larry bird is one of the greatest basketball minds in history


you lose. get a new hobby
Skills?
Nope LeBron is the better 3 point shooter and 100x better passer and ball handler

Legit championships?
Kobe refused to play for the team that drafted him so technically by your logic all of Kobes rings are not legitimate he ran away from the challenge of playing for a small market and colluded with LA
https://thebiglead.com/2015/12/30/kobe-bryant-lakers-draft-refused-hornets/

Leadership?
I have never seen a great throw his teammates under the bus as much as Kobe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMCeTf-5RqA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5VasRU9iJY

Resilience?
Kobe quit against the Suns in 06 and Dallas in 11 that's 2 quitjobs

Respect?
The list of players that think LeBron is the GOAT is much bigger than the list of players that think Kobe is the GOAT

Clutch?
https://i.postimg.cc/Yqqbp4jH/Screenshot-20181212-225616.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/J0tDFW79/photo.jpg

[egokiller]

injuries/benching derailed kobe's career for 8 years (97,98,05,11,13,14,15,16 )

So he was injured all that time and still capitalized in the finals more times than lebron despite having more difficult trips to the finals. :applause:

I've seen enough. Kobe is hands down the better player.

[Manny98]

So he was injured all that time and still capitalized in the finals more times than lebron despite having more difficult trips to the finals. :applause:

I've seen enough. Kobe is hands down the better player.
No

2000 - carried by Shaq

2001 - carried by Shaq

2002 - carried by Shaq

2009 - easiest path to the finals ever and faced the pathetic Orlando Tragic lol

2010 - Gasol was the best player in the 2010 finals

[sportjames23]

it can't be a 1st option ring when you need two miracle shots to save you.

Damn. :oldlol:

[Gileraracer]

2009 - easiest path to the finals ever and faced the pathetic Orlando Tragic lol


Lebron lost 4-2 to exactly this team in the 2009 playoffs :lol :lol :lol

[kennethgriffen]

No

2000 - carried by Shaq

2001 - carried by Shaq

2002 - carried by Shaq

2009 - easiest path to the finals ever and faced the pathetic Orlando Tragic lol

2010 - Gasol was the best player in the 2010 finals


1 on 1 interview: "i came in out of shape after the first title cause i knew i had you to carry me" - shaq


debunked

[kennethgriffen]

Skills?
Nope LeBron is the better 3 point shooter and 100x better passer and ball handler

Legit championships?
Kobe refused to play for the team that drafted him so technically by your logic all of Kobes rings are not legitimate he ran away from the challenge of playing for a small market and colluded with LA
https://thebiglead.com/2015/12/30/kobe-bryant-lakers-draft-refused-hornets/

Leadership?
I have never seen a great throw his teammates under the bus as much as Kobe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMCeTf-5RqA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5VasRU9iJY

Resilience?
Kobe quit against the Suns in 06 and Dallas in 11 that's 2 quitjobs

Respect?
The list of players that think LeBron is the GOAT is much bigger than the list of players that think Kobe is the GOAT

Clutch?
https://i.postimg.cc/Yqqbp4jH/Screenshot-20181212-225616.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/J0tDFW79/photo.jpg



1. lebron is dared to shoot 3's cause refs let him stiff arm/wipe off on his way to the rim. they have to sag off. kobe shot 34% up till his achilles injury with 2-3 defenders in his grill. kobe was the more skilled outside shooter... wide open 3 pointers should go down 60% of the time like in practice. if you're shooting a contested percentage while wide open then you're doing something wrong


2. kobe didn't refuse to play for charlotte. he tried out for boston. he just prefered LA because he grew up a fan. magic had just retired and shaq was 2 months away from signing there when kobe said he liked the lakers. saying you wouldn't mind playing for a team with ZERO stars isn't ring chasing or colluding. especially when you're a rookie and wouldn't have gotten any credit anyway

3. you've never seen lebron? he's thrown every teammate under the bus, left them high and dry, screwed their contracts over by not giving a heads up, driven guys away with his agendas, gotten coaches fired, been openly racist etc... lebron is the worst teammate ever


4. kobe didn't quit vs the suns. he dropped 50 and lost a game before. he tried facilitating. something lebron is applauded for. theres a big difference between being a part of the offense/passing/making plays and just standing in the corner refusing to touch the ball half of the game like lebron in 2011

5. the list of players that say lebron is the goat are guys that hate jordan and are just saying it out of spite/jealousy.. and most of those guys changed their mind ( like isiah thomas ) after lebrons self proclamation of being the goat. then isiah said he thinks kareem is.

6. i'll say it again..lebron passing on clutch shots because he wants to protect his fg% or avoid going to the line is the only reason his fg% is good

[aj1987]

Defense:

Career DRtg:

Kobe - 105

LeBron - 103

Peak DRtg:

Kobe - 98

LeBron - 97

Career DWS:

Kobe - 50.7

LeBron - 64.7 (While playing 5 fewer seasons)

Peak DWS:

Kobe - 4.5

LeBron - 6.5

Career DBPM:

Kobe - -0.6 (A net negative defender for his career)

LeBron - 1.9

Peak DBPM:

Kobe - 1.7

LeBron - 3.6

LeBron shits on Kobe when it comes to defense and it's not particularly close either. Kobe played defense in like 2-3 seasons of his career. That's pretty much it.

Now going to the offensive end, lets talk about the PO's and scoring.

Kobe in the Playoffs:

5640 points in 220 PO games

LeBron in the Playoffs:

6911 in 239 PO games

+1200 points in 16 games more played for LeBron

Kobe PPG in the PO's:

25.6 PPG

LeBron PPG in the PO's:

28.9 PPG

+3.3 PPG

Kobe efficiency in the PO's:

54.1% TS

LeBron efficiency in the PO's:

57.9% TS

+3.8% more efficient

In short, LeBron scores 3.3 PPG more than Kobe in the PO's on 3.8% better efficiency.

Doesn't end there.

50 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 1 (you Brick turds consider his to be the GOAT scorer and he has ONE 50pt game in the PO's?)

LeBron - 1

45 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 5

LeBron - 11

40 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 13

LeBron - 27

35 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 39

LeBron - 56

30 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 88

LeBron - 110

25 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 123

LeBron - 165

20 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 167

LeBron - 214

LeBron has scored under 20 points only 25 times in his career. Kobe did it 53 times. There's something Kobe can beat LeBron at.

I know you idiots are going to say LeBron was facing wack competition in the East.

Lets look at the Finals numbers, shall we?

Kobe PPG in the Finals:

25.3 PPG

LeBron PPG in the Finals:

28.3 PPG

Kobe efficiency in the Finals:

51% TS

LeBron efficiency in the Finals:

56% TS

LeBron scores 3 more PPG on 5% better efficiency than Kobe in the Finals. LeBron does this while facing significantly better
competition, BTW.

Lets go in a bit deeper.

50 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 0

LeBron - 1

45 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 0

LeBron - 1

40 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 1 (:roll :roll)

LeBron - 7

35 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 4

LeBron - 11

30 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 13

LeBron - 20

25 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 22

LeBron - 33

20 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 30

LeBron - 41
​
​

[kennethgriffen]

Defense:

Career DRtg:

Kobe - 105

LeBron - 103

Peak DRtg:

Kobe - 98

LeBron - 97

Career DWS:

Kobe - 50.7

LeBron - 64.7 (While playing 5 fewer seasons)

Peak DWS:

Kobe - 4.5

LeBron - 6.5

Career DBPM:

Kobe - -0.6 (A net negative defender for his career)

LeBron - 1.9

Peak DBPM:

Kobe - 1.7

LeBron - 3.6

LeBron shits on Kobe when it comes to defense and it's not particularly close either. Kobe played defense in like 2-3 seasons of his career. That's pretty much it.

Now going to the offensive end, lets talk about the PO's and scoring.

Kobe in the Playoffs:

5640 points in 220 PO games

LeBron in the Playoffs:

6911 in 239 PO games

+1200 points in 16 games more played for LeBron

Kobe PPG in the PO's:

25.6 PPG

LeBron PPG in the PO's:

28.9 PPG

+3.3 PPG

Kobe efficiency in the PO's:

54.1% TS

LeBron efficiency in the PO's:

57.9% TS

+3.8% more efficient

In short, LeBron scores 3.3 PPG more than Kobe in the PO's on 3.8% better efficiency.

Doesn't end there.

50 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 1 (you Brick turds consider his to be the GOAT scorer and he has ONE 50pt game in the PO's?)

LeBron - 1

45 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 5

LeBron - 11

40 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 13

LeBron - 27

35 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 39

LeBron - 56

30 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 88

LeBron - 110

25 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 123

LeBron - 165

20 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 167

LeBron - 214

LeBron has scored under 20 points only 25 times in his career. Kobe did it 53 times. There's something Kobe can beat LeBron at.

I know you idiots are going to say LeBron was facing wack competition in the East.

Lets look at the Finals numbers, shall we?

Kobe PPG in the Finals:

25.3 PPG

LeBron PPG in the Finals:

28.3 PPG

Kobe efficiency in the Finals:

51% TS

LeBron efficiency in the Finals:

56% TS

LeBron scores 3 more PPG on 5% better efficiency than Kobe in the Finals. LeBron does this while facing significantly better
competition, BTW.

Lets go in a bit deeper.

50 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 0

LeBron - 1

45 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 0

LeBron - 1

40 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 1 (:roll :roll)

LeBron - 7

35 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 4

LeBron - 11

30 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 13

LeBron - 20

25 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 22

LeBron - 33

20 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 30

LeBron - 41
​
​


stats will always favor the stat padder


and lebrons stats are still amazing.. but guess what... hes about to miss the playoffs


because his stats have always been empty and hurt his teams more than theyve helped


he sacrifices opportunities at points for efficiency and to pass blame

he sacrifices chemistry for assists

and he sacrifices defense for rebounding


hes a fraud

hes exposed

the world is closing in on lebron and his fans


the end isnt near

the end is now

get a new hobby

[aj1987]

stats will always favor the stat padder


and lebrons stats are still amazing.. but guess what... hes about to miss the playoffs


because his stats have always been empty and hurt his teams more than theyve helped


he sacrifices opportunities at points for efficiency and to pass blame

he sacrifices chemistry for assists

and he sacrifices defense for rebounding


hes a fraud

hes exposed

the world is closing in on lebron and his fans


the end isnt near

the end is now

get a new hobby
Brick missed the PO