Kobe Bryant should have 7 Championships

[eliteballer]

2004: Taking IV's during the playoff because he was out of shape from offseason knee/shoulder surgeries and no rehab due to the trial, Malone injured, Big Ben juicing more than Tropicana, and the refs letting Detroit maul people

2008. Ariza AND Bynum injured for the Finals.

[TheCorporation]

-Blew a 3-1 lead
-Zero playoff triple doubles
-Missed playoffs in prime
-1 MVP in 20 years
-2 FMVP in 20 years
-6/24 yikes
-two first round exits in prime

Want me to continue? :lol

[Dray n Klay]

Instead he took 7 trips to Germany :eek:

JuiceBe :pimp:

[eliteballer]

Instead he took 7 trips to Germany :eek:

JuiceBe :pimp:


https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320107.php

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2609914/

https://orthoinfo.aaos.org/en/treatment/platelet-rich-plasma-prp/

https://www.hss.edu/condition-list_prp-injections.asp

https://sports.yahoo.com/stephen-curry-had-platelet-rich-plasma-treatment-on-his-right-knee-182950035.html?y20=1

https://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/stephen-curry-golden-state-warriors-what-is-platelet-rich-plasma-therapy-050416

https://www.si.com/nba/2016/05/04/stephen-curry-golden-state-warriors-knee-injury-platelet-rich-plasma-treatment

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/7040472/kobe-bryant-knee-was-treated-former-papal-doctor-peter-wehling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk7VZ3dT-wI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj8TJ61cSqk


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[k 96]

LeROID "3 of 9" James

[ImKobe]

2004 was impossible for us to win.

Shaq was close to 400 pounds and couldn't play defense to save his life. The Pistons loaded up on Kobe and forced Shaq to beat them (like every other EC team before them), but Shaq couldn't keep it up and he got exposed defending the P&R on the other end over and over again.

But with a healthy Kobe? Without a court case? We would have had a fighters' chance. He was the reason we didn't get swept in that series. A healthier, more focused Kobe has us 2 - 0 after the first two games and wins one on the road.

[eliteballer]

2004 was impossible for us to win.

Shaq was close to 400 pounds and couldn't play defense to save his life. The Pistons loaded up on Kobe and forced Shaq to beat them (like every other EC team before them), but Shaq couldn't keep it up and he got exposed defending the P&R on the other end over and over again.

But with a healthy Kobe? Without a court case? We would have had a fighters' chance. He was the reason we didn't get swept in that series. A healthier, more focused Kobe has us 2 - 0 after the first two games and wins one on the road.

The Nets took the Pistons to 7 games, the NETS.

Lakers beat a team arguably better than the Pistons in the Spurs two rounds earlier.

[Mr Feeny]

The Nets took the Pistons to 7 games, the NETS.

Lakers beat a team arguably better than the Pistons in the Spurs two rounds earlier.

Kobe singlehandedly cost you that finals. Had he passed the ball instead of chucking it at a 38% rate, the lakers wouldn't have lost with Malone, Payton,, Shaq, Kobe, Fox, and Fisher with Phil Jackson as coach.

[chains5000]

Lakers would have won in 2004 had Malone been 100% healthy.

That said, winning then would have prevented them for making the roster changes that resulted in the two post-Shaq titles.

[Uncle Drew]

2004 was impossible for us to win.

Shaq was close to 400 pounds and couldn't play defense to save his life. The Pistons loaded up on Kobe and forced Shaq to beat them (like every other EC team before them), but Shaq couldn't keep it up and he got exposed defending the P&R on the other end over and over again.

But with a healthy Kobe? Without a court case? We would have had a fighters' chance. He was the reason we didn't get swept in that series. A healthier, more focused Kobe has us 2 - 0 after the first two games and wins one on the road.
This dude really out here trying to make Kobe look like the hero of the series. Were you drunk upon tying this, or are you really this delusional?

[coin24]

-Blew a 3-1 lead
-Zero playoff triple doubles
-Missed playoffs in prime
-1 MVP in 20 years
-2 FMVP in 20 years
-6/24 yikes
-two first round exits in prime

Want me to continue? :lol


I'm sure you will across multiple alts anyway

Damn must suck to stan LeBaldo, he finally goes west then shits the bed:lol
Just like you simon, must be time for a diaper change

[ImKobe]

This dude really out here trying to make Kobe look like the hero of the series. Were you drunk upon tying this, or are you really this delusional?

So, which game did Shaq win for us in that series? His numbers were nothing but empty calories. They played man defense on him with a 6-8 Ben Wallace and he was ****ing useless on the other end.

[Mr Feeny]

This dude really out here trying to make Kobe look like the hero of the series. Were you drunk upon tying this, or are you really this delusional?

Nah. He has admitted that LeBron is ahead of Kobe a long time ago. He doesn't believe half of what he says but he's so annoyed by LeBron fanboys that he tries to wind them up.

He thinks and knows that Kobe single handily choked 2004. But wants a reaction.

[ImKobe]

Nah. He has admitted that LeBron is ahead of Kobe a long time ago. He doesn't believe half of what he says but he's so annoyed by LeBron fanboys that he tries to wind them up.

He thinks and knows that Kobe single handily choked 2004. But wants a reaction.

Kobe hit a game-tying shot in the last seconds of that series to save us from a sweep. Lebron has 0 made game-tying/go-ahead shots in the last seconds of the Finals, and he's had 9 series to do this.

[JohnnySic]

2000 - Blazers with one of the biggest meltdowns in NBA history
2002- The Sacramento screwjob
2010 - Crap officiating down the stretch, and Perkins was hurt (he sucked, but he would have helped)

2001 and 20009 were gimmes, the teams they played in the finals were not finals quality


Could easily only have 2

[Loco 50]

2000 - Blazers with one of the biggest meltdowns in NBA history
2002- The Sacramento screwjob
2010 - Crap officiating down the stretch, and Perkins was hurt (he sucked, but he would have helped)

2001 and 20009 were gimmes, the teams they played in the finals were not finals quality


Could easily only have 2
F'n TRUTH. Laker fans just have the numbers to drown out stuff like this.

[kennethgriffen]

-Blew a 3-1 lead
-Zero playoff triple doubles
-Missed playoffs in prime
-1 MVP in 20 years
-2 FMVP in 20 years
-6/24 yikes
-two first round exits in prime

Want me to continue? :lol



- 2004 choked the gold medal away
- 2005 missed the playoffs fully healthy with a 7 foot allstar teammate
- 2006 missed the playoffs fully healthy with a 7 foot allstar teammates and blew another gold medal away
- 2007 swept in the finals fully healthy with a 7 foot allstar teammate
- 2008 blew another gold medal away and got saved by kobe bryant
- 2009 choked a 1 seed away to a bum
- 2010 choked a 1 seed away again and quit/ran
- 2011 choked with a colluded big 3 and got f*cked up by jason terry
- 2012 blew another gold medal away and saved by chris paul
- 2013 choked with a colluded big 3 and got saved by ray allen
- 2014 choked out by an air conditioner and lost finals mvp to a softmore
- 2015 shot 39 for 137 (28%) outside of 5 feet in the finals while losing finals mvp to a role player
- 2016 choked the last 4 minutes of game 7 away after being doubled by kyries scoring all series when the score wasn't a blow out. got draymond suspended. then saved by a bail out title winning 3 by kyrie
- 2017 choked game 3 and had a series shifting game winning 3 shot in his face to win the game
- 2018 quit OT of game 1, got soft picked off of durant in game 3 for the winning 3 in the same spot as the year before, then quit game 4 prematurely and ran to another team again
- 2019 misses the playoffs in his first year out west. ending all phoney narratives that lebron can make anyone a playoff team. he in fact hurts teams with his lack of defense from cherry picking rebounds/conserving energy, stagnating bran ball assist agenda and toxic attitude towards coaches and teammates



want me to continue? :lol

[sportjames23]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Mr Feeny]

Kobe hit a game-tying shot in the last seconds of that series to save us from a sweep. Lebron has 0 made game-tying/go-ahead shots in the last seconds of the Finals, and he's had 9 series to do this.

But you think that LeBron 》 Kobe.

Thanks again:applause:

[kennethgriffen]

2000 - Blazers with one of the biggest meltdowns in NBA history
2002- The Sacramento screwjob
2010 - Crap officiating down the stretch, and Perkins was hurt (he sucked, but he would have helped)

2001 and 20009 were gimmes, the teams they played in the finals were not finals quality


Could easily only have 2


2000 blazers lost cause a 21 year old kobe went ape shit and led LA in points, rebounds, assists and blocks while leading the charge in a 4th quarter comeback with everyone nailing big shots while locking them down on the other end. they wanted it more. how is this a negative :roll:

2001 facing portland/ sacramento/ sanantonio was a gimmy? :roll:

2002 kings shot more free throws in the series and just straight up choked game 7 when they shoulda won at home easly. the series was rigged to go 7. not for LA to win game 7. the kings shot like 5% threes and 50% free throws that game

2010 was a tough grind it out victory where neither team could make a shot. pierce and allen shot like 8 for 29 combined. they weren't attacking the basket. the lakers did

2009 kobe faced boozer, millsap, deron, kirilenko, korver, okur in the first round.... then artest, scola, battier, lowry, brooks and yao for 3 games in the 2nd round..... then carmelo, billups, smith, kmart, nene, birdman in the 3rd round

there was no gimmy... the lakers had less overall talent than all 3 of those teams... and orlando beat the #1 seeded cavs so they must have been alright too

[Mr. Jabbar]

LeROID "3 of 9" James

:roll: :roll:

[Uncle Drew]

Nah. He has admitted that LeBron is ahead of Kobe a long time ago. He doesn't believe half of what he says but he's so annoyed by LeBron fanboys that he tries to wind them up.

He thinks and knows that Kobe single handily choked 2004. But wants a reaction.
Nah, that dude strikes me as someone who is legit that delusional. Tomorrow he'll try to convince us that it was Kate Faber who raped Kobe, and not the other way around.

[JohnnySic]

2000 blazers lost cause a 21 year old kobe went ape shit and led LA in points, rebounds, assists and blocks while leading the charge in a 4th quarter comeback with everyone nailing big shots while locking them down on the other end. they wanted it more. how is this a negative :roll:

2001 facing portland/ sacramento/ sanantonio was a gimmy? :roll:

2002 kings shot more free throws in the series and just straight up choked game 7 when they shoulda won at home easly. the series was rigged to go 7. not for LA to win game 7. the kings shot like 5% threes and 50% free throws that game

2010 was a tough grind it out victory where neither team could make a shot. pierce and allen shot like 8 for 29 combined. they weren't attacking the basket. the lakers did

2009 kobe faced boozer, millsap, deron, kirilenko, korver, okur in the first round.... then artest, scola, battier, lowry, brooks and yao for 3 games in the 2nd round..... then carmelo, billups, smith, kmart, nene, birdman in the 3rd round

there was no gimmy... the lakers had less overall talent than all 3 of those teams... and orlando beat the #1 seeded cavs so they must have been alright too

No, the Blazers choked. If they could have made just 1 more basket during that meltdown, it may have been enough. It was more about them than anything the Lakers did.

And YES, the Kings sucked in game 7. Doesn't change the fact that it should have ended in 6. You yourself admit it was rigged.

in 2009, the Lakers were better than all those teams out west. The other teams may have had more talent cumulatively, but the Lakers had peak Gasol and Bynum and no team was equipped to handle 2 7 footers like that.

In 2010 it was hard ground out game but if Perkins was there maybe he grabs 6-8 rebounds and swings the outcome. And really, the Celtics had no one to blame but themselves, they played flat in 2 games (3 and 6). Inexcusable for the finals.

2001 was absolutely legit. No one in history had a chance against that version of Shaq.

There's always a different take on things, isn't there? :oldlol:

[kennethgriffen]

No, the Blazers choked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkUebobJFA4

1:05:09 Smith running 1 hander to push it to a 15 point lead
1:05:23 triple team on Shaq/Intentional foul to stop a layup (1 team foul)
1:05:48 Kobe 10 foot bank shot to pull within 13
1:06:43 Smith misses tough shot with kobe/shaq draped all over him
http://i64.tinypic.com/o02b0j.png
1:06:54 intentional foul on Shaq to stop another layup (2 team fouls)
1:07:40 Bonzi Wells fouled on driving layup, makes both to push it to 15
1:08:45 Shaq layup to pull within 13
1:09:07 Bonzi Wells shot blocked by kobe
http://i67.tinypic.com/2uz4i6s.png
1:09:17 Brian Shaq corner 3 to pull within 10
1:09:53 Pippen misses tough shot with Shaw right in his face
http://i68.tinypic.com/v4o2ex.png
1:09:59 Kobe intentionally fouled to stop a layup, makes 1 to pull within 9
1:11:04 Wallace misses tough shot with Horry right in his face
http://i65.tinypic.com/ehf62a.png
1:11:14 Wallace misses tough shot while triple teamed
http://i64.tinypic.com/2072gl4.png
1:11:24 Shaq fouled to prevent layup (3rd team foul)
1:12:12 Shaq fouled on layup, makes 1 to pull within 8
1:13:32 Pippen blocked on driving layup
http://i66.tinypic.com/xpbsi1.png

[kennethgriffen]

1:14:30 Bonzi Wells misses tough iso standing still pull up 3
http://i68.tinypic.com/33lfapy.png
1:14:57 Horry makes 3 point shot to pull within 5
1:15:23 Pippen misses long tough 2 point shot late in the clock
http://i65.tinypic.com/28ai7ht.png
1:16:05 Wallace misses tough double teamed 2 point shot
http://i68.tinypic.com/f1ijh4.png
1:16:23 Kobe hits 2 point shot to pull within 3
1:16:47 Smith misses tough shot defended perfectly by kobe
http://i68.tinypic.com/i6w30l.png

[kennethgriffen]

1:17:07 Wallace misses tough shot defended perfectly by shaq
http://i68.tinypic.com/2myt6j5.png
1:17:42 Brian Grant blocked by shaq
http://i63.tinypic.com/30jlf9z.png
1:18:24 Brian Shaw 3 pointer. Tie game



how is this a portland choke and not a complete domination on both ends by the lakers

[kennethgriffen]

And YES, the Kings sucked in game 7. Doesn't change the fact that it should have ended in 6. You yourself admit it was rigged.




it was rigged to go 7 yes. but the kings had just as much of an advantage for their victories as well


in game 5 the kings won by ONE POINT and outshot the lakers by 10 at the free throw line

in game 3 the kings out shot the lakers by 20 at the free throw line

in game 2 the kings won by only 6 and outshot the lakers by 13 at the free throw line

[kennethgriffen]

in 2009, the Lakers were better than all those teams out west. The other teams may have had more talent cumulatively, but the Lakers had peak Gasol and Bynum and no team was equipped to handle 2 7 footers like that.





Kobe had gasol and scrubs for the most part... odom was his only other proven player and he never made an allstar game... while all 4 teams the lakers faced in the 2009 playoffs had 3-4 guys each that made allstar games

[kennethgriffen]

In 2010 it was hard ground out game but if Perkins was there maybe he grabs 6-8 rebounds and swings the outcome. And really, the Celtics had no one to blame but themselves, they played flat in 2 games (3 and 6). Inexcusable for the finals.




so Pierce/Allen/Garnett/Rondo/Sheed/Tony Allen wasn't enough talent


kobe needed the added challenge of a kendrick perkins rebounding to prove he deserved that ring?

:lol


put in perkins and you lose rasheeds 11 points and huge 4th quarter three

[kennethgriffen]

2001 was absolutely legit. No one in history had a chance against that version of Shaq.




Kobe dragged the lakers to the finals averaging 33/7/6 through the first 3 rounds vs portland/sacramento/sanantonio

he was the reason they won it all.. not shaqs domination over a 40 year old deke and a midget who barely beat the raptors and bucks

[JohnnySic]

Kobe had gasol and scrubs for the most part... odom was his only other proven player and he never made an allstar game... while all 4 teams the lakers faced in the 2009 playoffs had 3-4 guys each that made allstar games
Basketball is about matchups. Those other teams had talent but the Lakers' size Gasol Bynum Odom created serious matchup problems.

There's a reason the Mavericks went and got Chandler/Haywood, why OKC got Perkins, why Denver got McGee/Mozgov, and why the Celtics got the 2 O'Neals. The narrative at the time was all roads to the championship go through the Lakers, and you're not beating them if you cant match up with their size.

[JohnnySic]

so Pierce/Allen/Garnett/Rondo/Sheed/Tony Allen wasn't enough talent


kobe needed the added challenge of a kendrick perkins rebounding to prove he deserved that ring?

:lol


put in perkins and you lose rasheeds 11 points and huge 4th quarter three
Not having Perkins messed up the rotation. Wallace played too many minutes and got gassed. Also, Doc Rivers messed up by not trusting the bench more. Should have started Scalabrine and let Wallace do his usual thing off the bench.

Basically, the Celtics were one big man short. Didn't need to be Perkins necessarily, but someone needed to be there to provide some minutes.

[JohnnySic]

The Blazers choked. Yes, the Lakers played great defense, but a team that talented needs to overcome that. I watched the game live. I couldn't believe what I was watching. Once again, ONE basket was all it probably would have taken. That's a choke job in my book.

[kennethgriffen]

Basketball is about matchups. Those other teams had talent but the Lakers' size Gasol Bynum Odom created serious matchup problems.


bynum never played. he was a bench warmer. odom was 6-9

who cares

the jazz had boozer and okur

the nuggets had Nene, Kmart and Birdman

the Rockets had Yao(for half the series), Scola, Battier

the Magic had Dwight, Lewis, Gortat




gasol was soft as F*CKING tissue... and you think his presence down low was the difference maker?


eat a f*cking d*ck


btw i notice you skipped the portland game 7 breakdown

:roll:

[kennethgriffen]

Not having Perkins messed up the rotation. Wallace played too many minutes and got gassed. Also, Doc Rivers messed up by not trusting the bench more. Should have started Scalabrine and let Wallace do his usual thing off the bench.

Basically, the Celtics were one big man short. Didn't need to be Perkins necessarily, but someone needed to be there to provide some minutes.


imagine a 5 headed monster relying on a fat sloth's 7rpg

:roll:

[chains5000]

Portland choked. I remember going to bed with a few minutes left thinking it was over for LA and woke up :banghead:
Dunleavy was the main reason behind them not winning the ring

[kennethgriffen]

The Blazers choked. Yes, the Lakers played great defense, but a team that talented needs to overcome that. I watched the game live. I couldn't believe what I was watching. Once again, ONE basket was all it probably would have taken. That's a choke job in my book.



choking means missing open shots


DUMB F*CK

:roll:

[kennethgriffen]

Portland choked. I remember going to bed with a few minutes left thinking it was over for LA and woke up :banghead:


look at the screen shots



portland got SHUT THE F*CK DOWN


BLOCK!!!!!!

after

BLOCK!!!!!!

after

BLOCK!!!!!


double!

TRIPLE!


SHUT DOWN

:roll:

[kennethgriffen]

y'all really don't have a clue


Kobe Bryant = 1st team all defense
Shaquille O'neal = one of the greatest shot blockers ever
Rick Fox = Great on ball defender
Robert Horry = Great all around defender

if they had Ron Harper in the game more they woulda been a 5 headed monster defensively


they were a defensive juggernaut


they shut them the f*ck down in the 4th... EFFORT/ROTATION/CLOSING/CONTEST

[JohnnySic]

bynum never played. he was a bench warmer. odom was 6-9

who cares

the jazz had boozer and okur

the nuggets had Nene, Kmart and Birdman

the Rockets had Yao(for half the series), Scola, Battier

the Magic had Dwight, Lewis, Gortat




gasol was soft as F*CKING tissue... and you think his presence down low was the difference maker?


eat a f*cking d*ck


btw i notice you skipped the portland game 7 breakdown

:roll:
Someone's getting emotional. :oldlol:

Boozer, Okur, Nene, Birdman, etc. LOL Bynum / Gasol made a living leaving tire tread marks on Boozer's face. Scola? :roll:

Then again, you're a Raptors fan. You guys once thought that Charlie Villenueva was gonna be a big time player. :lol Maybe that explains everything.

[kennethgriffen]

Someone's getting emotional. :oldlol:

Boozer, Okur, Nene, Birdman, etc. LOL Bynum / Gasol made a living leaving tire tread marks on Boozer's face. Scola? :roll:

Then again, you're a Raptors fan. You guys once thought that Charlie Villenueva was gonna be a big time player. :lol Maybe that explains everything.


bynum averaged 6.3 PPG in the 2009 playoffs



he sat the entire 4th quarter every game!

:roll:

[kennethgriffen]

this f*ggot thinks i've always been a raptor fan



:roll:

[Dray n Klay]

this f*ggot thinks i've always been a raptor fan



:roll:


What caused you to become a raptor fan

[kennethgriffen]

What caused you to become a raptor fan


http://colorectal-cancer.imedpub.com/articles-images/Colorectal-Cancer-tumor-resection-4-1-1-g004.png

[Wally450]

The only Finals he played decent was 2009 and that was because he played an overachieving Magic team that only made it because KG was hurt.

[kennethgriffen]

The only Finals he played decent was 2009 and that was because he played an overachieving Magic team that only made it because KG was hurt.


figures a moron like yourself wouldn't appreciate great defense/clutch shots/clutch free throws/making others better and putting them in their right spots/playing hurt with 3 injuries to his shooting hand, badly sprained ankles, torn knee ligaments, torn shoulders etc..


lebron never did any of these things in the finals

[Dray n Klay]

http://colorectal-cancer.imedpub.com/articles-images/Colorectal-Cancer-tumor-resection-4-1-1-g004.png

That ended when Kobe retired in 2016

[kennethgriffen]

That ended when Kobe retired in 2016



no east = no playoffs

:lol

[Dray n Klay]

no east = no playoffs

:lol

So basically.. what happened to Kobe from 2014-2016? :lol

[zeerghit]

no east = no playoffs

:lol
if he makes plf will u shut up?

[Real14]

2000 - Blazers with one of the biggest meltdowns in NBA history
2002- The Sacramento screwjob
2010 - Crap officiating down the stretch, and Perkins was hurt (he sucked, but he would have helped)

2001 and 20009 were gimmes, the teams they played in the finals were not finals quality


Could easily only have 2
The only thing that probably makes sense is 2002.

[sdot_thadon]

2002 definitely, 2010 possibly. Without a top 10 all time teammate? He's lotto lucky if he ever gets 2 chips.

[kennethgriffen]

if he makes plf will u shut up?


no.. then i'll point out the called in favors cause thats the only way he's making it

:roll:

[kennethgriffen]

So basically.. what happened to Kobe from 2014-2016? :lol



so basically 16th year lebron = post achilles rupture 1 legged 18th/19th/20th year kobe

:lol

[SouBeachTalents]

2004 was impossible for us to win.

Shaq was close to 400 pounds and couldn't play defense to save his life. The Pistons loaded up on Kobe and forced Shaq to beat them (like every other EC team before them), but Shaq couldn't keep it up and he got exposed defending the P&R on the other end over and over again.

But with a healthy Kobe? Without a court case? We would have had a fighters' chance. He was the reason we didn't get swept in that series. A healthier, more focused Kobe has us 2 - 0 after the first two games and wins one on the road.
Holy shit :oldlol: Nah bro, Kobe was ballin that series, those games in Detroit were among the greatest in NBA history

2000 - Blazers with one of the biggest meltdowns in NBA history
2002- The Sacramento screwjob
2010 - Crap officiating down the stretch, and Perkins was hurt (he sucked, but he would have helped)

2001 and 20009 were gimmes, the teams they played in the finals were not finals quality


Could easily only have 2
This. He came much closer to losing those 3 years than he ever did to winning in a non title season

[ronniec]

Fixed... should be 6 the max, not 7

They stole one from Boston.
Fvcking retard Andrew Bynum injured Perkins and Boston could not recover from that (one big man down).

[Elosha]

As to 2004, you guys are underrating the Pistons. They were underestimated that year as well, but they utterly destroyed the Lakers. Healthy Kobe doesn't change the ultimate outcome IMO. The chemistry and defensive intensity for the Pistons that year (and the next when they came a hairbreadth from beating the Spurs) was a sight to behold.

[ImKobe]

2000 - Blazers with one of the biggest meltdowns in NBA history
2002- The Sacramento screwjob
2010 - Crap officiating down the stretch, and Perkins was hurt (he sucked, but he would have helped)

2001 and 20009 were gimmes, the teams they played in the finals were not finals quality


Could easily only have 2

gimmes?

2001 WCF is a different story if Kobe doesn't put up 33/7/7, so is the 2009 WCF if Kobe doesn't average 34/6/6 and doesn't hit the big shot over JR.

Blazers meltdown? How about Kobe blocking Sabonis on the road, or leading the team in points, rebounds, assists and blocks in a Game 7 to make their first Finals.

Kings screwjob? Kobe put up 31/11/6 with only 1 turnover in the two elimination games.

Kobe won 5 rings because he showed up in the biggest of moments. Pacers could have easily beat us, had Kobe not had that legendary Game 4 performance and had he not closed out Game 6.

So now Orlando is not Finals quality, yet they beat the team with the best record that had Lebron James in 6 games.

[eliteballer]

Kobe has zero explosiveness in the 2004 season because of the surgeries and lack of rehab, he would have destroyed the Spurs and Pistons if he was healthy.

[kennethgriffen]

Kobe has zero explosiveness in the 2004 season because of the surgeries and lack of rehab, he would have destroyed the Spurs and Pistons if he was healthy.


it was sad watching kobe in 2004 compared to what he did just a year prior



he had to reinvent his game/add a bunch of counters to get back to the top by 06

[eliteballer]

Can't imagine Kobe in this soft era where Harden puts up better numbers than Jordan..

[eliteballer]

:eek:

[lakerstekkenn]

The Nets took the Pistons to 7 games, the NETS.

Lakers beat a team arguably better than the Pistons in the Spurs two rounds earlier.

Kobe had an injured shoulder and the Lakers over the years lost their veteran players that fit better then the knew guys coming off the bench Malone was injured his knee he was done Payton couldn't play like he was prime and everyone else was injured or just worn out after all of those champions and playoff runs eventually your body brakes down and injuries happen.

[coastalmarker99]

Kobe was incredibly lucky to win titles in 2000 and 2002.



The Kings were robbed in the WCF in 2002.


And Portland had the worst choke job I have ever seen in NBA history in the fourth quarter of game seven of the 2000 WCF.


Kobe came much closer to losing those 2 years than he ever did to winning in a non-title season.

[Horatio33]

Kobe has zero explosiveness in the 2004 season because of the surgeries and lack of rehab, he would have destroyed the Spurs and Pistons if he was healthy.

It's his fault he went raping. No excuses. His raping put a strain on all the laker players and coaches as well as himself.

[Axe]

No way.

[SaintzFury13]

First off, Bynum and Ariza are not enough to make up for what the Lakers needed to beat the Celtics in 2008. That's arguably the greatest team Kobe ever faced in the finals, lets stop pretending Bynum and Ariza were all he needed to overcome them.

Second, you can throw in injuries, distractions from rape cases all you want. Kobe Bryant shot LA out of that series and played right into Detroit's hands. This was, by every definition of the term, a gentlemen's sweep. It was clear LA was no match for Detroit and that the better team won.

And to whoever pointed out that San Antonio was the better team than Detroit and LA still beat them, while that might be true, Detroit matched up better with LA than they did with San Antonino (who gave SA their toughest finals match up to date the following season when they took them to seven games and would have won the series had Rasheed not left Horry open in game 5, so it's not like Detroit stood no chance).

[RRR3]

It’s honestly crazy people just accept the 2002 Lakers ring as legitimate lol.