The Trump Border Wall Saga

[MaxFly]

Comprehensive thread for all things wall related.


Now that the President has followed through on his threat to declare a National Emergency to build the border wall, it looks like a few Texans aren't thrilled and are expressing their displeasure through legal means.


Texas landowners file first lawsuit to block Trump's national emergency declaration
(https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/16/texas-landowners-lawsuit-to-block-trump-national-emergency-declaration.html)

Three Texas landowners and an environmental group filed the first lawsuit on Friday challenging U.S. President Donald Trump's national emergency declaration aimed at freeing up billions of dollars to build a wall along the U.S. border with Mexico, the consumer advocacy group Public Citizen said.


This interview with a landowner is fascinating. (https://www.morningjournal.com/news/nation-world/texas-landowner-the-only-emergency-is-man-made/video_4b27fe26-8bb9-5cea-b972-6661aa3081b6.html)

Interested to see how quickly the House will pass a joint resolution disproving of the NE declaration and which Senators will support it.

[CelticBaller]

The wall is the dumbest shit ever

Thankfully we will have that dummy in office for 2 more years

[highwhey]

copying my comment from the other thread so maga fam can see it:

the US-Mexico border spans 1,933 miles in length. 700 miles of that length already has fencing. that's 36% of the border covered by fencing, the low iq voter base of trump truly believes 55 more miles will make a difference. a good amount of that border lenght has mountains and terrain that is very difficult to build a fence on, but it's not going stop people from crossing as trump and his fat lazy ass will lead you to believe. he probably runs out of breathe just at the thought of having to traverse such terrain.

do you believe people who have traveled so far to cross into the states will sotp bc of a mountain or uneven terrain? only lazy americans (of which there are a lot of, that's why mexicans get hired bc they outwork american counterparts for half the wage) actually believe this will stop them:

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/interactive/2018/12/politics/border-wall-cnnphotos/media/03-border-wall.jpg

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/interactive/2018/12/politics/border-wall-cnnphotos/media/13-border-wall.jpg

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/interactive/2018/12/politics/border-wall-cnnphotos/media/10-border-wall.jpg

prime example of a "natural barrier" that trump thinks will stop people from crossing lmao: https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/interactive/2018/12/politics/border-wall-cnnphotos/media/27-border-wall.jpg

:roll:

[Long Duck Dong]

prime example of a "natural barrier" that trump thinks will stop people from crossing lmao: https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/interactive/2018/12/politics/border-wall-cnnphotos/media/27-border-wall.jpg

:roll:

Don't act like your fat ass is gonna squeeze between that fence and the hill.

[highwhey]

Don't act like your fat ass is gonna squeeze between that fence and the hill.
triggered AF :roll: :roll:

maga fam stays losing

[dude77]

lol@that 'landowner' .. courtesy of fake news cnn .. get the fk outta here .. that bitch is probably some paid actor .. she sounds like some dumb broad being coached .. not a landowner

[MaxFly]

Don't act like your fat ass is gonna squeeze between that fence and the hill.

Why not cross 5 feet to the right of the fence?

[MaxFly]

lol@that 'landowner' .. courtesy of fake news cnn .. get the fk outta here .. that bitch is probably some paid actor .. she sounds like some dumb broad being coached .. not a landowner

Ah, so she's a crisis actor. Makes sense. Are those suing also crisis... um, national emergency... actors?

[TheMan]

Why not cross 5 feet to the right of the fence?
He's a Trump supporter so by definition, low IQ...

He might've eventually caught on...maybe.

[Facepalm]

Don't think these migrants got the memo that they were supposed to be stopped by this beautiful, powerful wall


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es7ptPdtwTw

[TheMan]

Don't think these migrants got the memo that they were supposed to be stopped by this beautiful, powerful wall


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es7ptPdtwTw
Lol at the comments :lol

"Trump supporters only now realizing ladders and rope exist in Mexico..." :oldlol:

[Kblaze8855]

We really saying the land owner are being fabricated now? you realize people on the border have been fighting eminent domain for decades right? This is just going to bring it front and center and make a great deal of them sue at the same time.

I’ve been reading the stories for weeks. Idiots talk about voting for Trump not realizing that international law doesn’t let you build a wall on the actual border and that it would force them to give up some of the land to be on the wrong side of the wall and just hope for an access portal to be able to get to the rest.

If they didn’t have sense enough to know you can’t build a wall on a riverbank and flood the poor border towns of Mexico they deserve what they get.

[Akrazotile]

We really saying the land owner are being fabricated now? you realize people on the border have been fighting emino domain for decades right? This is just going to bring it front and center and make a great deal of them sue at the same time.

I’ve been reading the stories for weeks. Idiots talk about voting for Trump not realizing that international law doesn’t let you build a wall on the actual border and that it would force them to give up some of the land to be on the wrong side of the wall and just hope for an access portal to be able to get to the rest.

If they didn’t have sense enough to know you can’t build a wall on a riverbank and flood the poor border towns of Mexico they deserve what they get.


The wall is just a distraction that both sides are falling for.

Any country needs control of immigration for social and economic stability.

Immigrants are just brought here to work for peanuts while helping feed the 1% with steak. This is the exact opposite of what every liberal claims to be about.

Instead of obsessing about the wall, they should be proposing serious, effective, realistic alternatives. If Dems put forward an alternstive plan today that would significantly deter illegal immigration, conservative voters would happily support it.

That’s the last thing the wealthy want, and luckily for them they can preoocupy their herd easy as could be just by spamming “ORANGE MAN BAD” rhetoric that sheep will lap up and regurgitate.

[bladefd]

Trump administration will be dug into so much litigation that it will take the courts a long time to dig out of it. By that time, we will be deep into the 2020 primaries that the wall will be all but in the rearview mirror. I've always said that since the emergency declaration idea was brought up in December.

All that hoopla for 55 miles of wall or fence or whatever it is this week :facepalm

Complete waste of time and nothing but a distraction to get us talking about lil Donny. His plan is not talking about illegal immigration but talking about himself. The whole thing is a sham by a con-artist president, who happens to be narcissistic.

[Akrazotile]

Trump administration will be dug into so much litigation that it will take the courts a long time to dig out of it. By that time, we will be deep into the 2020 primaries that the wall will be all but in the rearview mirror. I've always said that since the emergency declaration idea was brought up in December.

All that hoopla for 55 miles of wall or fence or whatever it is this week :facepalm

Complete waste of time and nothing but a distraction to get us talking about lil Donny. His plan is not talking about illegal immigration but talking about himself. [B]The whole thing is a sham by a con-artist president, who happens to be narcissistic.

Guess things are goin according to plan then huh? Cuz you literally talk about him more than anyone. Youre his most loyal promoter. If his plan is to dominate the conversation, then youre his most helpful dupe.

[bladefd]

Wait wait..

So the president can declare emergency to get something done and if Congress votes to stop that, the president can veto that Congressional vote.

How is that exactly constitutional? Was it even in the original Constitution? It pretty much gives the president a blank check over Congress. Only the courts can stop it then..

Imagine the sort of precedent it sets if the courts allow it.. Some future president can declare emergency for healthcare spending being out of control and try to pass national healthcare that way. Someone can declare emergency for military industrial complex and try to get funding slashed. What about something for climate change or for college loans or other stuff? We can see some crazy stuff potentially :confusedshrug:

[Hawker]

The wall is the dumbest shit ever

Thankfully we will have that dummy in office for 2 more years

Easy to say that from the NE.

[highwhey]

Easy to say that from the NE.
i live in a state that borders mexico, can confirm the fence is the dumbest sh1t ever.

[Brujesino]

i live in a state that borders mexico, can confirm the fence is the dumbest sh1t ever.
yup

[Hawker]

Wait wait..

So the president can declare emergency to get something done and if Congress votes to stop that, the president can veto that Congressional vote.

How is that exactly constitutional? Was it even in the original Constitution? It pretty much gives the president a blank check over Congress. Only the courts can stop it then..

Imagine the sort of precedent it sets if the courts allow it.. Some future president can declare emergency for healthcare spending being out of control and try to pass national healthcare that way. Someone can declare emergency for military industrial complex and try to get funding slashed. What about something for climate change or for college loans or other stuff? We can see some crazy stuff potentially :confusedshrug:

This isn't the first national emergency btw.

[Hawker]

i live in a state that borders mexico, can confirm the fence is the dumbest sh1t ever.

Lot of texans would disagree with you as well.

Jus' saying.

[highwhey]

Lot of texans would disagree with you as well.

Jus' saying.
certainly not the texans that are landowners in the proposed build areas https://i.postimg.cc/k4fq9GJx/sass2.png

[bladefd]

This isn't the first national emergency btw.

First one over something foolish that won't stop any drugs or illegal immigration as it is touted to do..

[Hawker]

certainly not the texans that are landowners in the proposed build areas https://i.postimg.cc/k4fq9GJx/sass2.png

That's legit.

But this isn't the first time the federal government has used force on landowners.

[Hawker]

First one over something foolish that won't stop any drugs or illegal immigration as it is touted to do..

I'd really doubt that. Not that you're actually in favor of decreasing illegal immigration anyway.

[bladefd]

I'd really doubt that. Not that you're actually in favor of decreasing illegal immigration anyway.

Illegal immigration in-flow has already been at a decline for over a decade.. It's a fact (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/11/28/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/) that the Lil Donny administration seems allergic to because it goes against their bogeyman narrative of rapists, gangsters, killers & terrorists coming in from Mexico.

[highwhey]

That's legit.

But this isn't the first time the federal government has used force on landowners.
i'm not against border security measures, i'm against this idiot doing whatever it takes to get his symbol and re-election ticket.

the effectiveness of adding 55 more miles to the fence is not even arguable, it's not going to do jack sh1t.

i wish magafam was smart enough to realize that the only ones getting shafted over this fence addition will be americans (some of them losing their land and the rest of us wasting taxpayer money).

mexicans and other illegal immigrants will continue to cross the border illegally through the open 1,200 miles that exists.

[SomeBlackDude]

the effectiveness of adding 55 more miles to the fence is not even arguable, it's not going to do jack sh1t.

promised a big, beautiful border wall.

got hustled into accepting 55 more miles of the great wall of dubya (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/02/congress-reaches-deal-to-fund-quarter-of-trump-border-wall).

it's been an honor watching the art of the deal in action, in real time.
































https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SandyPepperyBelugawhale-small.gif

[Akrazotile]

Illegal immigration in-flow has already been at a decline for over a decade.. It's a fact (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/11/28/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/) that the Lil Donny administration seems allergic to because it goes against their bogeyman narrative of rapists, gangsters, killers & terrorists coming in from Mexico.


Every year I hear stories on the news about groups of illegals dying in the back of trucks as theyre smuggled in through 110 degree weather like cattle.

It also may be so that fewer people simply volunteer such information over the last decade.

Even if it hs declined, it doesnt matter what is happening right at this moment. It’s a big picture issue. For our own safety and economic stability we have to be in control of the country’s border. Anything can happen in the future.

Youre just not intelligent enough to stray from the mainstream narrative. Youre afraid to be called a racist, just like they want. Youre filled with a phony superiority for taking an auto-pilot opposite stance to whatever Trump says, just like they want.

Youre a try hard. A dumb sheep, a beta, and a POSER. Just like they want.

[Akrazotile]

i'm not against border security measures, i'm against this idiot doing whatever it takes to get his symbol and re-election ticket.

the effectiveness of adding 55 more miles to the fence is not even arguable, it's not going to do jack sh1t.

i wish magafam was smart enough to realize that the only ones getting shafted over this fence addition will be americans (some of them losing their land and the rest of us wasting taxpayer money).

mexicans and other illegal immigrants will continue to cross the border illegally through the open 1,200 miles that exists.


Why specifically are you so against the wall? In the big picture it’s not a big expenditure, and youre a tax-and-spend proponent anyway.

Is there like a serious, logical reason you oppose just putting up a wall on the border, the way many neighborhoods put up gates? Or people put fences around their yards? Or the way you would put an alarm system on your home?

Like do you have intelligent reasons, or are you just emotionaly triggered?

[highwhey]

promised a big, beautiful border wall.

got hustled into accepting 55 more miles of the great wall of dubya (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/02/congress-reaches-deal-to-fund-quarter-of-trump-border-wall).

it's been an honor watching the art of the deal in action, in real time.
































https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SandyPepperyBelugawhale-small.gif
:roll:

[bladefd]

Every year I hear stories on the news about groups of illegals dying in the back of trucks as theyre smuggled in through 110 degree weather like cattle.

It also may be so that fewer people simply volunteer such information over the last decade.

Even if it hs declined, it doesnt matter what is happening right at this moment. It’s a big picture issue. For our own safety and economic stability we have to be in control of the country’s border. Anything can happen in the future.

Youre just not intelligent enough to stray from the mainstream narrative. Youre afraid to be called a racist, just like they want. Youre filled with a phony superiority for taking an auto-pilot opposite stance to whatever Trump says, just like they want.

Youre a try hard. A dumb sheep, a beta, and a POSER. Just like they want.

There are better measures than a physical 30ft tall wall, which actually would not be difficult to circumvent.. More importantly, most illegal people enter the US through visa overstays or are smuggled in illegally through legal ports of entry (water port or in a car/truck). Most don't walk across the border.

[highwhey]

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]Why specifically are you so against the wall? In the big picture it

[Akrazotile]

There are better measures than a physical 30ft tall wall, which actually would not be difficult to circumvent.. More importantly, most illegal people enter the US through visa overstays or are smuggled in illegally through legal ports of entry (water port or in a car/truck). Most don't walk across the border.


Thats true, which is why Im personally ambivalent on the wall. If it goes up, so what, if it doesnt, so what.

Why dont you speak up about California offering driver licenses and other benefits to illegals? Or the lack of punishment for people who sneak in again multiple times after deportation? If you simply oppose the wall, then PIPE UP about alternative measures.

But youre scared to do it. And moreover it just doesnt occur to you to suggest anything outside the conditioning youve accepted.Ive never heard you suggest anything in any topic that is not standard left wing dogma. You are dogmatic. You only repeat what your group approves. On EVERY subject.

It’s so obvious from the outside but I dont think you see it for yourself.

[Akrazotile]

i don't speak meltdown, can someone translate this into english?


Dude.

You speak it exclusively.

[bladefd]

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]Thats true, which is why Im personally ambivalent on the wall. If it goes up, so what, if it doesnt, so what.

Why dont you speak up about California offering driver licenses and other benefits to illegals? Or the lack of punishment for people who sneak in again multiple times after deportation? If you simply oppose the wall, then PIPE UP about alternative measures.

But youre scared to do it. And moreover it just doesnt occur to you to suggest anything outside the conditioning youve accepted.Ive never heard you suggest anything in any topic that is not standard left wing dogma. You are dogmatic. You only repeat what your group approves. On EVERY subject.

It

[MaxFly]

There were other posts I made, but it won't let me search my old posts -- I had to go page by page for 'wall' threads.. ISH is outdated and seems we are locked out from searching posts we made in past. No search box either that actually works..

A bunch of threads were deleted recently as well. I recall Jeff noting that at some point things would be updated.

[Jasper]

I wonder if all the litigation occurred when China built their wall :confusedshrug:

55 miles 1.6 billion or 8 billion it doesn't matter -

The wall has to run the whole length of the border to be effective.

If it is done , then security can cover the other side , and less illegal people would be in our country.
I agree with trump's idea to eradicate people that are illegal in our country , and letting everyone go thru the process of becoming legal citizens.

Our country is swarming with people , where I live I would see 1 car for 20 miles , now we have strings of cars 40 long in 1 mile stretch's.
Soon our county, state and federal lands will have to be made available for the abundance of people living in our country.

[MaxFly]

I wonder if all the litigation occurred when China built their wall :confusedshrug:

When did China build their wall, and how much did it cost them?

[Jasper]

When did China build their wall, and how much did it cost them?
your in high school / open a book and read history.

[MaxFly]

your in high school / open a book and read history.

First... "you're" not "your."

Second... no, I'm not in high school.

Third... It was a rhetorical response so as to point out the absurdity of the link between the Great Wall and border structures between the US and Mexico. There are decent arguments to be had for a wall along the southern border, but an argument that includes the Great Wall of China isn't one of them. :confusedshrug:

[bladefd]

If it is done , then security can cover the other side , and less illegal people would be in our country.

How do most illegals come into America? Do you think they cross the desert/border on foot?

[NumberSix]

[QUOTE=MaxFly]First... "you're" not "your.

[diamenz]

First... "you're" not "your."

u'r one of those guys, huh.

[MaxFly]

u'r one of those guys, huh.

Lol, hey... when someone condescends with "open a book and read history," their takedown needs to at least be grammatically accurate. :confusedshrug:

[Hawker]

[QUOTE]Some quick notes on early coverage of President Trump’s announcement today that pretty much all reporters are missing 1/

The WH did not make one executive action today. In reality they made three, only one of which involved an emergency declaration. 2/

First the WH announced they would be funding $601 million in wall construction from the Treasury Forfeiture Fund, relying on 31 U.S.C.

[highwhey]

Damn. So Trump got his $5 billion.
damn so after promising to build a wall to keep out illegals and drugs, he's only building a 55 mile fence which is roughly .03% of the entire length of the US-MEXICO border?

rebuttals: but, but there's already 700 miles of fencing, umm, incomplete fencing that is fill with gaps (swiss cheese has less gaps) and it's a fence, not a wall.

https://i.postimg.cc/W3ncf15k/mjlol.png

[bladefd]

Wait, he is going to force spending of over 5 billion for just 55 miles of the wall?

[Hawker]

damn so after promising to build a wall to keep out illegals and drugs, he's only building a 55 mile fence which is roughly .03% of the entire length of the US-MEXICO border?

rebuttals: but, but there's already 700 miles of fencing, umm, incomplete fencing that is fill with gaps (swiss cheese has less gaps) and it's a fence, not a wall.

https://i.postimg.cc/W3ncf15k/mjlol.png

Just saying what got lost in the emergency declarations.

[MaxFly]

Wait, he is going to force spending of over 5 billion for just 55 miles of the wall?

5 billion that Mexico isn't paying, by the way.

[Jasper]

Wait, he is going to force spending of over 5 billion for just 55 miles of the wall?
correct

[Derka]

Shittest deal maker in history. No wonder this idiot bankrupted a casino.

[bladefd]

correct

What a fraud.

$5,000,000,000 for 55 miles of a fence. Looks like a buddy of his is getting paid billions. Must be a campaign promise to make him a multi-billionaire that Lil Donny is keeping..

:coleman:

[SomeBlackDude]

Wait, he is going to force spending of over 5 billion for just 55 miles of the wall?

the wall just got 2,000 miles shorter.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/fscmJFpTrdfri/giphy.gif

[Loco 50]

the wall just got 2,000 miles shorter.

FAKE NEWS: The wall didn't get shorter. We actually went out and measured the border and the bigly results are in. Truth is it came out to exactly 55 miles. Just like I always said. Big, beautiful 55-mile border wall from sea to shiny sea.
https://www.trbimg.com/img-592efffe/turbine/ct-donald-trump-stupid-president-20170531-001/750/750x422

[TheMan]

FAKE NEWS: The wall didn't get shorter. We actually went out and measured the border and the bigly results are in. Truth is it came out to exactly 55 miles. Just like I always said. Big, beautiful 55-mile border wall from sea to shiny sea.
https://www.trbimg.com/img-592efffe/turbine/ct-donald-trump-stupid-president-20170531-001/750/750x422
Tragic thing is that if he would actually say this, most of his moronic base would believe him.

[Kblaze8855]

I think this here is gonna be the reason the senate tries to block it too:




"As a U.S. senator, I cannot justify providing the executive with more ways to bypass Congress. As a conservative, I cannot endorse a precedent that I know future left-wing presidents will exploit to advance radical policies that will erode economic and individual freedoms. These are the reasons I would vote in favor of the resolution disapproving of the president's national-emergency declaration, if and when it comes before the Senate."


They know the next democrat if hes extreme enough would declare a BS emergency for global warming or child hunger or whatever else.

Mitch said he thought the Senate would narrowly vote to block it. Right now pence would be the tie breaker but some more republicans are leaning towards blocking it too.

Its all just ammo for the legal fight im sure.

[DukeDelonte13]

I think this here is gonna be the reason the senate tries to block it too:






They know the next democrat if hes extreme enough would declare a BS emergency for global warming or child hunger or whatever else.

Mitch said he thought the Senate would narrowly vote to block it. Right now pence would be the tie breaker but some more republicans are leaning towards blocking it too.

Its all just ammo for the legal fight im sure.

yeah not a good idea for a precedent to be set that the erodes this country's system of checks and balances.

Let's see how many republican lawmakers are really about defending the constitution.

[Derka]

Right because taking people's land from them for government use is totally respecting individual liberty. Thanks Senator.

[TheMan]

I think this here is gonna be the reason the senate tries to block it too:






They know the next democrat if hes extreme enough would declare a BS emergency for global warming or child hunger or whatever else.

Mitch said he thought the Senate would narrowly vote to block it. Right now pence would be the tie breaker but some more republicans are leaning towards blocking it too.

Its all just ammo for the legal fight im sure.
Or a Democrat president declaring a national emergency after a big mass shooting.

[MaxFly]

I think this here is gonna be the reason the senate tries to block it too:

They know the next democrat if hes extreme enough would declare a BS emergency for global warming or child hunger or whatever else.

Mitch said he thought the Senate would narrowly vote to block it. Right now pence would be the tie breaker but some more republicans are leaning towards blocking it too.

Its all just ammo for the legal fight im sure.

You can practically see certain Dems who are currently running for President rubbing their hands together like, "Bet...."

4 Republicans would need to cross over to vote with Dems and Independents. As of right now, I believe Collins, Murkowski and Tillis have publically stated that they would vote to disapprove of the National Emergency declaration. Republicans leaning to disapproval probably include Ben Sasse, Mitt Romney, Pat Toomey, Rod Portman, Rand Paul and Marco Rubio, but who really knows how they'll vote when tested.

Whoever writes and produces the saga of the last 4 years as a TV series better do a good job. These stories and plot points are way too rich to put out a lackluster product.

[Kblaze8855]

I think it

[MaxFly]

Looks like we can add Lamar Alexander to the list. (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/28/lamar-alexander-trump-national-emergency-1196748)

[QUOTE]Senate Republicans are offering a choice to President Donald Trump: Withdraw your national emergency declaration at the border or face a potential rebellion from the GOP.

The message was delivered clearly on Thursday by Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.), part of an effort by senior Republicans to avoid a direct confrontation with Trump on the Senate floor.

In a much-anticipated floor speech, the retiring senator declined to state whether he will become the deciding vote to block the president

[MaxFly]

And Rand Paul makes four. Now let's see if additional Republicans join in or if, now that there are enough votes, the rest side with Trump to avoid the ire of his base.

[SomeBlackDude]

the art of the deal episode iii: revenge of the deal


Exclusive: In budget, Trump to ask Congress for $8.6 billion for border wall

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump on Monday will ask the U.S. Congress for an additional $8.6 billion to help pay for the wall he promised to build on the southern border with Mexico to combat illegal immigration and drug trafficking, officials familiar with his 2020 budget request told Reuters.

time is a flat circle.

[bladefd]

the art of the deal episode iii: revenge of the deal



time is a flat circle.

:facepalm :oldlol:

He probably expects the emergency declaration will backfire on him with even a bunch of Republicans voting against it.

He will never get the $8.6bill from Congress in 2020 budget, and he probably knows it. I bet he will use that denial as an excuse for another government shutdown end of 2019. It's all to appease his hardcore Trumpeter fanbase as we get closer to 2020 election.

[bladefd]

Oh lordy, talk about the king of fake news, the Donald

[QUOTE]Wacky Nut Job @AnnCoulter, who still hasn

[diamenz]

Oh lordy, talk about the king of fake news, the Donald


-US President, Lil Donny

The facts:

hey if he can fool his supporters into thinking so, it's a win in his book. all of the winning must be exhausting.

[SomeBlackDude]

hey if he can fool his supporters into thinking so, it's a win in his book. all of the winning must be exhausting.

https://i.postimg.cc/BbKVvbrR/MAGA-Milton.jpg

[highwhey]

https://i.postimg.cc/BbKVvbrR/MAGA-Milton.jpg
:oldlol:

[MaxFly]

That budget is laughable... and it's compounded by the wall funding request. What really stands out though is the proposed cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. Trump swore up and down, left and right that he wouldn't cut funding for those programs and accused other Republicans running for the Republican nomination in 2015 of planning to do so. And here we are.

[bladefd]

That budget is laughable... and it's compounded by the wall funding request. What really stands out though is the proposed cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. Trump swore up and down, left and right that he wouldn't cut funding for those programs and accused other Republicans running for the Republican nomination in 2015 of planning to do so. And here we are.

and cuts to science agencies like NIH, NASA, etc.. All while huge raises to the military :oldlol:

[Akrazotile]

This thread is the exact definition of an echo chamber.

A handful of dudes repetitively stroking each to their outrage over

[Kblaze8855]

Tough discussions that need to be had: No attendance from these guys.


I spoke to you about it like a reasonable person despite all evidence you will eventually flip out and start with insults and nonsense...and what did you do? Flip out and start with insults and nonsense. I assume others learned not to have serious conversations with you before I did. You only want a conversation about how right you are. Not real discussions from other view points. Once its clear the other person doesnt think what you think you act like it must be some kind of fabrication of their beliefs because nobody could reach a conclusion other than yours. That isnt getting anyone anywhere.

[Hawker]

That budget is laughable... and it's compounded by the wall funding request. What really stands out though is the proposed cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. Trump swore up and down, left and right that he wouldn't cut funding for those programs and accused other Republicans running for the Republican nomination in 2015 of planning to do so. And here we are.

Well makes sense considering medicare, medicaid and social security make up the bulk of the spending budget.

[SomeBlackDude]

This thread is the exact definition of an echo chamber.


this is a weak era for echo chambers then. :facepalm

now this... this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqrRUzqvQD8) was an echo chamber

they don't make em like that any more.

make. echo. chambers. great. again.

[Akrazotile]

I spoke to you about it like a reasonable person despite all evidence you will eventually flip out and start with insults and nonsense...and what did you do? Flip out and start with insults and nonsense. I assume others learned not to have serious conversations with you before I did. You only want a conversation about how right you are. Not real discussions from other view points. Once its clear the other person doesnt think what you think you act like it must be some kind of fabrication of their beliefs because nobody could reach a conclusion other than yours. That isnt getting anyone anywhere.


Your position was anchored by "I dont care if my tax dollars help a kid out." Then you type a ton of extra fluff, presumably to make it harder to see where exactly your weak argument is and pounce on it. Obviously filibustering and ancillary anecdotes aren't an effective way to get a discussion to a conclusion. Which is precisely why you do it.

It was an obvious a cop out position. Where will you draw the line on how many strangers youre willing to pay for? You'll never draw the line in a discussion, because there are no consequences. Of course, if I could make your local representative actually hike your taxes another 30% to help out more random kids produced by god-knows-who in some other state 2,000 miles from you... then suddenly you'd probably be coming up with reasons for protecting your own wallet.

But as long as you dont HAVE to be the bad guy, because there's no direct, immediate consequence to you? You'll take that easy, selfish, shallow way out, because you simply don't have the guts or the concern to do otherwise. You just dont care. Protect your image instead of figure out what's best for the community. It's pathetic, weak, and low IQ.

Our conflict was not about me being unwilling to acknowledge reasonable arguments. It was about you not being WILLING to make any.

[Kblaze8855]

There is the problem. Once you decide that only what you think is reasonable whats the point of having a conversation? Just go on trolling and bullshitting. But dont act like others dont want to talk. You clearly arent here to listen. So just make noise and stay in your bubble like others do. But dont compain about it.

Talking about pouncing on arguments and shit. Its a conversation. You are not a ****ing creature coiled in the grass about to attack. Seeing a conversation that way is a sure way for it to end with no understanding gained. If any of these problems get solved...it will be because of people like me getting people like you from both sides out of the room so the normal people can have a conversation.

Youre an impediment complaining about a lack of progress. Talking about low IQ. You are such a child at times. Its practically impossible to meet in the middle with your type in the room. And the middle is the only place you get anything accomplished.

[SomeBlackDude]

jeff n them killed my trillion dollar deficit thread. :mad:

guess i'll just leave this here.



Trump budget projects four straight deficits over $1 trillion

As President Donald Trump sent Congress on Monday a $4.7 trillion budget proposal for 2020, the estimates of his own budget experts predict that this spending plan will result in four straight years of deficits exceeding $1 trillion, with no budget surplus until the mid-2030's.

After a deficit of $779 billion in Fiscal Year 2018, the President's new budget plan forecasts four more years of even higher levels of red ink.

2019 - $1.092 trillion
2020 - $1.101 trillion
2021 - $1.068 trillion
2022 - $1.049 trillion

straight from the sauce.

we did, 'murrica. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhenogvNrno) :cheers:

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[Akrazotile]

Youre an impediment complaining about a lack of progress. Talking about low IQ. You are such a child at times. Its practically impossible to meet in the middle with your type in the room. And the middle is the only place you get anything accomplished.


Absolutely false. I've stated repeatedly I'm not a "Wall or bust" guy. I'm positive you've seen that and you know that. I'm ambivalent on the wall, but I am serious about the issue. Meanwhile you guys are serious about the wall (opposing it) but ambivalent about the larger issue. Why is that? Because it's simply EASIER and more POPULAR with left wing America. Opposing illegal immigration, on the other hand... you're not sure where that puts you. You don't know where you'll be grouped, therefore you're not confident, therefore you play it safe. You're passing the buck on the problem because you're not confident enough to do what's right instead of what's popular. Either that or youre not smart enough to figure out why it's a problem. Either way, it's a bad look.

Any time a convo comes up about real solutions to address immigration, all you guys do is duck and run here to your safe space where all you have to do to appear "progressive" is gossip about orange man. Reinforce each other into the delusion that auto-resisting Orange Man is the standard for sophistication. Why do you think you fellas in this thread need the bar set that low? Low enough that any generic intellect can join in and get a pat on the back? You ever notice that?

A discussion that requires logical analysis and some balls to speak about honestly...? You guys are out. You're FLEEING back to the "Orange Man Bad" safe space threads. Back to "Trump is Orange!" and "Trump is just a reality star!" and "Trump isn't Presidential!"

That's it. That's all you got. If it bothers you to be called low IQ for it, then show a little more interest in the long-term good of the country we all have to share. Show some ****ing balls instead of all that insecurity. You've been hanging around too many white people probably. Go ask black dudes on the street what they think about illegal immigration, most of them are like "Hell no. That's taking away from us." They don't give a shit what some pretentious cucks on message boards have to say about their political correctness. These are dudes who dont have time for social posturing, they need to eat. So they'll be straight up. You're trying to fit in with a bunch of low-testosterone white cuck liberals whov'e made it an intellectual fad to be as passive and pu$$ified as possible. Obviously these limp-wrists do it for a reason, becasue if social value is measured any other way they dont stand a chance.

You should seriously have more pride as a man than that.






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[diamenz]

this forum needs a wall.

[MaxFly]

Well makes sense considering medicare, medicaid and social security make up the bulk of the spending budget.

...after attacking other Republicans for potentially doing exactly what he wants to do now, and pledging never to make cuts. And while upping military spending. Makes sense I guess... :confusedshrug:

[MaxFly]

12 Republicans Voted to Overturn Trump's National Emergency Declaration (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/14/romney-alexander-national-emergency-1221317)

In a 59-41 vote, the Senate approved a House passed-resolution to block Trump from funding his border wall without congressional approval. The GOP revolt will force Trump to issue the first veto of his presidency.

The Republican defections present an embarrassment to the White House, which sought to limit the number of senators breaking with their party. Some Republican senators attempted to strike a deal with the White House that could have curbed the number of Republicans breaking with the president, but those talks fell through.

Shortly after the Senate vote, Trump tweeted: "VETO!"

12... and this coming after the vote in the Senate yesterday to reel in US military support for the Saudis in Yemen.

Here are the traitors for today's vote:

Roger Wicker, Mississippi
Marco Rubio, Florida
Rob Portman, Ohio
Susan Collins, Maine
Lisa Murkowski, Alaska
Pat Toomey, Pennsylvania
Roy Blunt, Missouri
Lamar Alexander, Tennessee
Mitt Romney, Utah
Rand Paul, Kentucky
Jerry Moran, Kansas
Mike Lee, Utah

A little surprised to see that Mike Lee voted with the Dems, but his proposal to avert all of this did get shut down by Trump, so there's that.

[Kblaze8855]

They are 7 votes shy of overruling the veto. They wont...but im shocked they got THAT many.

[MaxFly]

They are 7 votes shy of overruling the veto. They wont...but im shocked they got THAT many.

I honestly thought they'd get about 6 Republicans at the most to join in, with everyone else staying on home base. There's undoubtedly a growing rift between congressional Republicans and the administration on several key issues. You're right... this veto will stand though.

[bladefd]

So what happens next after Trump veto? Trump gets his wall money?

[MaxFly]

So what happens next after Trump veto? Trump gets his wall money?

All of the filed lawsuits will likely slow it down. We'll likely get a series of stays on any action.

[diamenz]

so what do u guys think about a MOAT being built around the southern us border filled with snakes and alligators to deter off illegal immigration?

or we could build an ELECTRICAL fence with spikes that can pierce human flesh at the very top.

let's get some serious discussion going here.

[Facepalm]

so what do u guys think about a MOAT being built around the southern us border filled with snakes and alligators to deter off illegal immigration?

or we could build an ELECTRICAL fence with spikes that can pierce human flesh at the very top.

let's get some serious discussion going here.
Not gonna lie, I kind of want to see this :oldlol:

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[SomeBlackDude]

so what do u guys think about a MOAT being built around the southern us border filled with snakes and alligators to deter off illegal immigration?

or we could build an ELECTRICAL fence with spikes that can pierce human flesh at the very top.

let's get some serious discussion going here.

maga, prepare to have your minds blown (https://youtu.be/vf8FHTuGPaE?t=36).

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[Patrick Chewing]

Anything it takes to send the foreign hordes back.


I still like my idea of a burrito launcher that launches burritos back into Mexico that will surely make them turn around.

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But they're going to have to be authentic Mexican burritos. I don't think Chipotle or Moe's burritos will have the same effect.

[Jasper]

It's amazing how many Trump supporters sound like Trump.

This is a beautiful conversation. :milton

[TheMan]

Anything it takes to send the foreign hordes back.


I still like my idea of a burrito launcher that launches burritos back into Mexico that will surely make them turn around.

https://burritojustice.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/burrito-rail-gun-launch.gif


But they're going to have to be authentic Mexican burritos. I don't think Chipotle or Moe's burritos will have the same effect.
That shit ain't gonna work. Burritos is a Tex Mex dish, people south of the border don't know what a burrito is. Now if they put tamales, flautas or gorditas, that would get La Raza scrambling.

[Facepalm]

A federal judge in Texas ruled Friday that President Donald Trump's national emergency declaration to build a border wall is unlawful and appears poised to block the use of those funds.


*Border wall funds blocked

*Lost his appeal to withhold his tax returns

*Rudy's Ukrainian buddies arrested with Rudy possibly going down next

*And the impeachment inquiries are rolling right along with a Fox news poll says a majority wants him impeached and removed

*Betrays the Kurds leading to bipartisan condemnation from both sides of the aisle including some of his most ardent defenders

What a week for Trump. Is this what winning looks like? :oldlol: