Is there a player that front offices must work harder for than Lebron?

[3ball]

Front offices have to work miracles to get this guy a ring, like getting him deluxe big 3's, bringing in goat shooters, and trading half team by deadline as standard operating procedure

What other so-called all-time great was this high maintenance?

And we know why - it's because his ball-domination doesn't fit with most players and results in weaker teamwork, necessitating ridiculous talent to win

[Gileraracer]

You can add as many allstars as you want next to Lebron, as long as it doesn't look like an Allstar team they will always underachieve.


Lebron ball

[FKAri]

Nope. No one comes close. LeBron pushes his front office to work harder than anyone in history. It's easier to do that when you're the LeGM.

[Mr. Jabbar]

It takes a full effort from the front office and the commish in charge.

[And1AllDay]

Yes 04 to 10 Cavs worked VERY hard

If only he had a 21/9/8 Pippen instead

[Uncle Drew]

NBA front office had to work pretty hard to get Jordan banned for being a notorious gambler and dad killer.

[And1AllDay]

NBA front office had to work pretty hard to get Jordan banned for being a notorious gambler and dad killer.
:eek: :eek: :eek:

Shut
it
down

Mike Breen BANG! :eek:

[Dr Hawk]

Yes 04 to 10 Cavs worked VERY hard

If only he had a 21/9/8 Pippen instead

He would probably never have a player averaging 21/9/8 because of Lebron ball.

[Vino24]

He would probably never have a player averaging 21/9/8 because of Lebron ball.
Why did LeBron have Kyrie averaging 25ppg then?

[And1AllDay]

Why did LeBron have Kyrie averaging 25ppg then?

B-b-b but das different :(

Caught

[Dr Hawk]

Why did LeBron have Kyrie averaging 25ppg then?

Not even close to 9/8

[sdot_thadon]

Thread title typo by Op, what he meant to type was:



Has any player ever "Gm'd/coached" a team to the title like Lebron did in 2016?

Only Bill Russell has as player/coach for 2 chips.:bowdown:

[3ball]

Thread title typo by Op, what he meant to type was:


Only Bill Russell has as player/coach for 2 chips.:bowdown:
That whole run was gm'd, but given the talent he assembled - why didn't he win 60+ like kawhi in 17', or curry?

Instead he won 51 and was a big underdog in the Finals, while kawhi's team would've been a much tougher matchup against the Warriors

Lebron doesn't have any excuse for his record blowout loss teams, except that his brand of ball-dominance over ball movement usually has no business on the championship level (but gets there due to a weak East)... He'd make only 3 Finals in the West (his number of Finals wins, aka the times he could beat the west)

[jstern]

They do work hard. Even try to collude behind the scenes, try to do everything possible to get Lebron more help. Even front offices of other teams try to help out, like the call Lebron made to James Jones to release and buyout Tyson Chandler so that he could go help him with the Lakers. (Two quick clutch defensive plays led to two quick wins as a result.)

So they do work hard, but like you mentioned, they have to, because it's hard to maximize talent with Lebron Ball, making it almost impossible to build a dynasty level team around Lebron, because he can only play one way, and everybody else has to adjust to that one way, sacrificing their own game, and not playing to their full strengths. Unlike players like Jordan, who can adjust to his teammates while still playing at a GOAT level.

[And1AllDay]

So which Finals series does LeBron win averaging 4 rebounds and 2 assists?

[72-10]

It's a good thing Jerry Krause's fatass didn't help MJ too much at all.

[3ball]

So which Finals series does LeBron win averaging 4 rebounds and 2 assists?


All of them of he had the things that 97' or 98' MJ had:

- stealing a game or 2 with goat clutch, and momentum/confidence
- goat teamwork and winning know-how
- goat defense
- goat scoring burden
- goat brand of team ball due to sufficient off-ball game

[And1AllDay]

All of them of he had the things that 97' or 98' MJ had:

- stealing a game or 2 with goat clutch, and momentum/confidence
- goat teamwork and winning know-how
- goat defense
- goat scoring burden
- goat brand of team ball due to sufficient off-ball game

I'm being serious tho

So which Finals series does LeBron win averaging 4 rebounds and 2 assists?

[Dray n Klay]

I'm being serious tho

So which Finals series does LeBron win averaging 4 rebounds and 2 assists?
:eek:

[3ball]

So which Finals series does LeBron win averaging 4 rebounds and 2 assists?
I already said all of them if he played like MJ

Now which ecf would MJ win averaging 22 PPG?

Now which Finals does MJ win averaging only 2 - 6 ppg more than his 2nd option?

Or scoring 17, 18, and 17 points to open the series?

[Rico2016]

I'm being serious tho

So which Finals series does LeBron win averaging 4 rebounds and 2 assists?

:eek:

[Dray n Klay]

I already said all of them if he played like MJ

Now which ecf would MJ win averaging 22 PPG?

Now which Finals does MJ win averaging only 2 - 6 ppg more than his 2nd option?

Or scoring 17, 18, and 17 points to open the series?

LeBron won without an all-star in 2016, so that already proves LeBron can win with marginal help.


So how do front offices need to work hard? :roll:


Cavs had 0 all stars and 0 all nba players in 2016 outside of LeBron and they still won



Otoh Jordan lost with all stars in 1990 and 1995


Yikes

[Rico2016]

LeBron won without an all-star in 2016, so that already proves LeBron can win with marginal help.


So how do front offices need to work hard? :roll:


Cavs had 0 all stars and 0 all nba players in 2016 outside of LeBron and they still won



Otoh Jordan lost with all stars in 1990 and 1995


Yikes
Y
I
K
E
S

[3ball]

Jordan lost with an all star in 1990 and 1995


Lebron lost with an all-star in 05', 09', and 18'

And he lost with 2 all-stars in 11', 14', and 17'

MJ never even HAD 2 all-stars, let alone lost with them





LeBron won without an all star in 2016


MJ won without an all-star in 1991 and 1998
.

[Phoenix]

Why did LeBron have Kyrie averaging 25ppg then?

Because Kyrie is a better ISO scorer than Pippen ever was and his game doesn't conflict with Lebron's. Lebron and Pippen are theoretically even more redundant than Lebron and Wade were, and Wade effectively had to scale back and redefine his game after 8-9 years in the league for that Heat team to win. So if Wade, who was a better player prime for prime than Pippen, needed to do this then why would we expect Pippen to flourish when he shares many of the same attributes and was, in essence, a diet version of Lebron? Pippen's value as a playmaker is neutralized in this situation and he didn't have the iso scoring ability of Wade or Kyrie to compensate.

[100grandman]

Is there a player that front offices SHOULD work harder for than Lebron?

[bigkingsfan]

He's makes it much easier by winning titles for different franchise.

[tpols]

like getting him deluxe big 3's


:roll:


*****'s like super size me.

yes sir. :pimp:

[TheCorporation]

LeBron won without an all-star in 2016, so that already proves LeBron can win with marginal help.


So how do front offices need to work hard? :roll:


Cavs had 0 all stars and 0 all nba players in 2016 outside of LeBron and they still won



Otoh Jordan lost with all stars in 1990 and 1995


Yikes

DnK slaying per usual.