Winning championships are NOT important

[StrongLurk]

For individual players. Success for players is playing well (i.e. putting up elite stats), which in turn gets them higher salaries and more lucrative sponsorships.

Winning championships only matter for coaches because that's how they get paid the most and keep their jobs.

But rings really don't matter at all for players. Rings didn't do anything for scrubs, didn't help them get paid at all. Simply playing at an elite level is all the matters.

[Big164]

Wilt

[StrongLurk]

Wilt’s The GoAT then.

He certaintly was GOAT for his time. Who got paid more and got more exposure than he did during his time? Also clearly was the best player during that time.

[SamuraiSWISH]

This was an over thinking hot take

[3ball]

He certaintly was GOAT for his time. Who got paid more and got more exposure than he did during his time? Also clearly was the best player during that time.
The goat had both - stats and winning

I'll take the guy that doesn't have to argue winning doesn't matter to make his case... :confusedshrug:

No one thought it was even possible to win 8 in a row like Russell did.... Until MJ won 6 in 8 including a 2-year retirement.. :bowdown:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Bulls would’ve won in 94 and 99 as well. Possibly even 1995.

[StrongLurk]

This was an over thinking hot take

It's true though. Plenty of all time greats never won a ring, doesn't really matter honestly considering they made millions or 100's of millions of dollars. Being an elite player is the only thing the matters. Rings don't mean much.

There is a lot of life to live after basketball.

[bigkingsfan]

Until MJ won 6 in 8 including a 2-year retirement.. :bowdown:
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[3ball]

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Nobody who watched at the time counts 95'

A fresh Jordan 3-peated again, proving 95' was rust, as all the advanced stats already show

It's a moot point anyway, since 7/8 in the 90's > 8 straight in the 60's

[bigkingsfan]

Nobody who watched at the time counts 95'

A fresh Jordan 3-peated again, proving 95' was rust, as all the advanced stats already show

It's a moot point anyway, since 7/8 in the 90's > 8 straight in the 60's
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[3ball]

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7/8 in the 90's > 8 straight in the 60's...


No one thought it was even possible to win 8 in a row like Russell did.... Until MJ won 6 in 8 including a 2-year retirement.. :bowdown:

[bigkingsfan]

7/8 in the 90's > 8 straight in the 60's...


No one thought it was even possible to win 8 in a row like Russell did.... Until MJ won 6 in 8 including a 2-year retirement.. :bowdown:
11/13 VS 6/15

:roll:

[zeerghit]

11/13 VS 6/15

:roll:
ill take this one

[StrongLurk]

You posters are proving my point.

No one cares about Robert Horry or Steve Kerr. No one cares about the lesser Celtics back in the day whole also won 5+ rings.

Rings themselves just aren't important. Playing at a high level is all that matters.

[Stephonit]

You posters are proving my point.

No one cares about Robert Horry or Steve Kerr. No one cares about the lesser Celtics back in the day whole also won 5+ rings.

Rings themselves just aren't important. Playing at a high level is all that matters.

Your sarcasm went over their heads. :D

[3ball]

You posters are proving my point.

No one cares about Robert Horry or Steve Kerr. No one cares about the lesser Celtics back in the day whole also won 5+ rings.

Rings themselves just aren't important. Playing at a high level is all that matters.
If the goat did both (rings and stats), then why would we anoint anyone that only did 1?

Your problem is that your analysis omits any consideration of teamwork and team development, or how a player's skills affect those areas

[3ball]

ill take this one
In the modern era, there's only one option, 6/15 - that's goat championship frequency post ABA and 3-point line.. :bowdown:

Again, he would've had at least 7 in 8 years without retirement, and probably another one in 99'.. no one comes close

[StrongLurk]

If the goat did both (rings and stats), then why would we anoint anyone that only did 1?

Your problem is that your analysis omits any consideration of teamwork and team development, or how a player's skills affect those areas

No Pip, no rings.

However MJ would still dominate the game like no other...he just wouldn't have won any rings without some semblance of other talent on his team.

But he'd still be the best player for me.

[3ball]

No Pip, no rings.

.
And?

MJ won his rings with 1 less all-star teammate than lebron needed for his rings

Only MJ won multiple rings with 1 all-star, except Kobe/Shaq, Kobe/Pau, and hakeem when MJ was out of league (so only mj and mini-mj did it)

MJ won with the least help of anyone to win multiple rings, except hakeem (who wouldn't have multiple rings without mj's retirement

:confusedshrug:

[StrongLurk]

And?

MJ won his rings with 1 less all-star teammate than lebron needed for his rings

Only MJ won multiple rings with 1 all-star, except Kobe/Shaq, Kobe/Pau, and hakeem when MJ was out of league (so only mj and mini-mj did it)

MJ won with the least help of anyone to win multiple rings, except hakeem (who wouldn't have multiple rings without mj's retirement

:confusedshrug:

And?

[TheCorporation]

11/13 VS 6/15

:roll:

JORDAN STANS ARE FUMING :lol

They are ready to hit the [STATS]! button until it's LeBron then they will try ot hit the [RINGS]! button ahahaah

https://i.postimg.cc/c1vf0kqv/mjstats.jpg

[3ball]

And?


MJ won with less help than lebron

which is probably why he needed 34 and 7 apg in the 91-93 playoffs versus only 27 and 7 for lebron in the 12/13/16 playoffs

and MJ had to play goat D (4th in dpoy voting at 35 yrs old), while lebron lets his man get fmvp every single year

Ultimately, MJ had least help of any dynasty, yet he has the best ring frequency since the ABA merger and 3-point line (modern era).. GOAT

[StrongLurk]

MJ won with less help than lebron

which is probably why he needed 34 and 7 apg in the 91-93 playoffs versus only 27 and 7 for lebron in the 12/13/16 playoffs

and MJ had to play goat D (4th in dpoy voting at 35 yrs old), while lebron lets his man get fmvp every single year

Ultimately, MJ had least help of any dynasty, yet he has the best ring frequency since the ABA merger and 3-point line (modern era).. GOAT

MJ is the GOAT because he was the best player. Everything you are posting in my thread is secondary and even tertiary to what I'm talking about.

Level of play is all that matters. Rings are 4th or 5th most important for players AT BEST.

[3ball]

11/13 VS 6/15

:roll:
gotta be a 2-way player with stats AND winning

Russell was a 1-way player without the requisite stats

[Bronbron23]

For individual players. Success for players is playing well (i.e. putting up elite stats), which in turn gets them higher salaries and more lucrative sponsorships.

Winning championships only matter for coaches because that's how they get paid the most and keep their jobs.

But rings really don't matter at all for players. Rings didn't do anything for scrubs, didn't help them get paid at all. Simply playing at an elite level is all the matters.
One of the worst posts ever and epitomizes everything that is wrong with some of the current generation

[bullettooth]

https://i.postimg.cc/PrQwMkZS/lebron-stats-or-rings.gif

[Mr.GOAT2408]

Playing well in the finals is definitely important, more important than winning or even just making it, it's why MJ is the GOAT among several other reasons

No one had a better peak, a better prime, played better under pressure, etc.

Did that despite breaking his foot and retiring in his prime.

[knicksman]

You posters are proving my point.

No one cares about Robert Horry or Steve Kerr. No one cares about the lesser Celtics back in the day whole also won 5+ rings.

Rings themselves just aren't important. Playing at a high level is all that matters.


Players want to be respected as the best player in the world and winning a ring as the man trumps every stat there is. Dirk didnt have the stats but it trumps everything lebron has done in his career coz he has a legit ring not ringchasers. Thats why players never collude coz it defeats the purpose of winning which is to be respected.

[LostCause]

But rings really don't matter at all for players. Rings didn't do anything for scrubs, didn't help them get paid at all. Simply playing at an elite level is all the matters.

That's not true. Remember Matthew Dellevadova?

[SouBeachTalents]

That's not true. Remember Matthew Dellevadova?
Delly actually built his reputation in 2015, a series they ended up losing. 2016 dude was an absolute non factor for that title

[TheCorporation]

Dilemma time

https://i.postimg.cc/y8YXwmHj/1550957224619.jpg

:eek: Uh oh :eek:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Greatest of all time is the culmination of everything.

Jordan was retired for basically two years of his physical prime. And then retired probably a year or two early from some possible very productive twilight years.

He would have all of the accumulative statistic stuff by a long shot if he didn’t.

And also probably would’ve had to more championships and MVPs and defensive all team selections, and scoring titles.