Brian Windhorst: LeBron's new reaching the Finals is making the playoffs

[TheImmortal]

https://youtu.be/On7OCPqCrWM?t=168

Been saying this for quite some time.. Making Finals in the East is almost equivalent to making the playoffs in the West. Now even media fanboys are admitting what we knew all along.

[Spurs m8]

All of us - that aren't Bron stans - always knew making the Finals in the East wasn't an accomplishment....hence why most of the time he'd get raped in the Finals

[AlternativeAcc.]

That's not how it works kid

LeBron making the playoffs with this team is like winning a championship. Doesn't matter what conference.

When you make the playoffs with the garbage Lakers who haven't made the playoffs in 6 years and have traded ALL of their young talent away for nothing... yeah, it's like winning a championship. The Lakers ****ing suck without LeBron

They would literally be 30 games below .500 without him. FACT.

:djparty

[SamuraiSWISH]

The epic lowering of the bar by the liberal sports media, LeBron Stans, and his loser fan base is utterly pathetic.

[AlternativeAcc.]

The epic lowering of the bar by the liberal sports media, LeBron Stans, and his loser fan base is utterly pathetic.
30 games below .500 without him


:dancin


Bulls were 30 games above .500 without Jordan in 94

[egokiller]

The epic lowering of the bar by the liberal sports media, LeBron Stans, and his loser fan base is utterly pathetic.

Sadly the next crop of entitled loser stans who stan the next MJ wannabe will be even more pathetic. The next loser will have a tat of "GOAT" on his chest before he even enters the NBA. That's how pathetic it's become and anyone who pretends that it's not is just lying to themselves.

[ClipperRevival]

30 games below .500 without him


:dancin


Bulls were 30 games above .500 without Jordan in 94

Comparing apples to oranges. Love has been out most of the season. Bron left his team after it got bukkakied in the finals.

MJ left his team as 3 peating champs. He left them in winning hands with confidence. Pip and Grant were entering their absolute peak. They added Kukoc and Kerr. And they had a system in place. The only system you run with Bron is Bron ball so when he leaves, teams have to find a new identity and are in shambles.

[Mr. Jabbar]

This complete exposure of his previous conference exploit is the most embarrassing thing to happen to an nba player since lebron 2011

[AlternativeAcc.]

Comparing apples to oranges. Love has been out most of the season. Bron left his team after it got bukkakied in the finals.

MJ left his team as 3 peating champs. He left them in winning hands with confidence. Pip and Grant were entering their absolute peak. They added Kukoc and Kerr. And they had a system in place. The only system you run with Bron is Bron ball so when he leaves, teams have to find a new identity and are in shambles.
Who said anything about the Cavs? :wtf:

Keep up little fella


Lakers 6-12 without LeBron this year... that comes out to... 27-55 for the whole season. Pretty ironic huh? :roll: :roll:

[ClipperRevival]

Who said anything about the Cavs? :wtf:

Keep up little fella


Lakers 6-12 without LeBron this year... that comes out to... 27-55 for the whole season. Pretty ironic huh? :roll: :roll:

Lakers won 35 games last year and that was with a ton of injuries, just like this year. Not gonna excuse YDK's shi*ty play in some of those games. But let's not act like he was fully squaded up. Kuz, Rondo, Hart and Ball were all missing time.

Anyways, let's see what Bron does the rest of the way.

[Spurs m8]

Who said anything about the Cavs? :wtf:

Keep up little fella


Lakers 6-12 without LeBron this year... that comes out to... 27-55 for the whole season. Pretty ironic huh? :roll: :roll:

why you avoiding context like the plague?

Or you choosing to be low iq to suit your agenda?

[Ben Simmons 25]

How about this team isn't built to suit his play style and on top of that they're a bunch of 2nd year players who aren't YET great and a bunch of misfit toy castoff vets, and ON TOP OF THAT... father time is starting to catch up with him... he missed a month of play for the first time in his career on a fluke play...

People do eventually get old.

But do you honestly think that 2013 LeBron with this current squad misses a month due to injury and misses the playoffs?

So when Kobe started missing the playoffs due to age, that was an indictment on his entire career?

I realize that's not the only factor at play here with your thinking, I'm just pointing out how the entirety of it is flawed... but you probably already knew that.

Agendas are a bitch.

[egokiller]

LeBron is playing with 2 guys that are damn near putting up 20 ppg. If he can't get to the playoffs with this team that is more talented that what Kobe had in 2012, he might as well retire. Why can't lechoke stans just admit that he tried to get PG, AD, Kawhi and several others to commit to joining him in LA and they all cucked him because they don't want to play his style of losing basketball?

[AlternativeAcc.]

Lakers won 35 games last year and that was with a ton of injuries, just like this year. Not gonna excuse YDK's shi*ty play in some of those games. But let's not act like he was fully squaded up. Kuz, Rondo, Hart and Ball were all missing time.

Anyways, let's see what Bron does the rest of the way.
More excuses

Injuries to Wade, Bosh, Irving, and Love didn't matter

But injuries to Lonzo Ball and Josh Hart is all of a sudden cause for concern :lol

Just shameless

[Ben Simmons 25]

LeBron is playing with 2 guys that are damn near putting up 20 ppg. If he can't get to the playoffs with this team that is more talented that what Kobe had in 2012, he might as well retire.

Look... let's level with each other for a moment... the Lakers were the 4 seed prior to Rondo and LeBron getting injured for a month... to basically out of the playoffs by the time they came back... and now struggling without Lonzo who is their best perimeter defender.

If the team was healthy all year, especially their best player, there is a 0% chance that they miss the playoffs... and everyone here that's honest knows it.

[egokiller]

Look... let's level with each other for a moment... the Lakers were the 4 seed prior to Rondo and LeBron getting injured for a month... to basically out of the playoffs by the time they came back... and now struggling without Lonzo who is their best perimeter defender, and who is probably the best spot up shooter of the starting lineup, which is amazing to say.

If the team was healthy all year, especially their best player, there is a 0% chance that they miss the playoffs... and everyone here that's honest knows it.

You aren't taking context into account and the schedule before and after the injury. I would hope having two players almost putting up 20ppg that were not injured is enough help....

[Ben Simmons 25]

You aren't taking context into account and the schedule before and after the injury.

True, their schedule was easier, but it's not fall off a cliff harder right now.

They don't drop to the 10th seed without the injuries and the AD trade drama and you know it. They probably don't maintain 4th, but they're still firmly in the playoffs right now if those things didn't happen and they had a "normal" season.

They're still losing to bad teams. That has nothing to do with LeBron.

[Ben Simmons 25]

They just beat the Rockets and Celtics, lost to the Pelicans and lost to the Hawks... and then a game they should have lost to the Sixers. This team's problems are so much deeper than the schedule that the schedule isn't even worth mentioning as a talking point. And their problems aren't just solely "LOLZ LEBRON SUX!"

[SamuraiSWISH]

This complete exposure of his previous conference exploit is the most embarrassing thing to happen to an nba player since lebron 2011
Agreed

[DMAVS41]

They just beat the Rockets, lost to the Pelicans and lost to the Hawks. This team's problems are so much deeper than the schedule that the schedule isn't even worth mentioning as a talking point. And their problems aren't just solely "LOLZ LEBRON SUX!"


Well, yea...as many of us having been saying since the summer.

They lost real assets like Lopez and Randle...to add guys that don't make sense.

They built a team in 2019 that isn't comfortable or good at shooting a lot of 3's around Lebron.

Take a step back and think how dumb it is to build a team around Lebron that lacks 3 point shooting.

Like I said in another thread recently...it may all work out for them this summer, but as of now...the Lakers have mismanaged almost everything.

They salary dumped Russell. They lost Randle for nothing in restricted free agency. They didn't keep Lopez. They made the dumb Rondo / Lance signings...

They are still paying Deng...

And they failed to trade young players that don't make sense around Lebron when their value was higher.

It has been a joke for a long time now...really since 13.

[Ben Simmons 25]

I agree with almost your entire post, except I do like the draft picks of Lonzo and Kuzma. And I do like Rondo off the bench not on the floor with LeBron... so it's not been a total mismanagement. Just like 80%+ which is still horrible enough.

They should never have signed LeBron if they didn't plan on surrounding him with shooters... that was always obvious.

[egokiller]

I agree with almost your entire post, except I do like the draft picks of Lonzo and Kuzma. And I do like Rondo off the bench not on the floor with LeBron... so it's not been a total mismanagement. Just like 80%+ which is still horrible enough.

They should never have signed LeBron if they didn't plan on surrounding him with shooters... that was always obvious.

LeBron told Magic that he would be bringing other super stars with him and Magic drank the cool aid. People need to ask themselves why no one made the jump to LA with LeBron. :lol

[Ben Simmons 25]

Imagine how good Philadelphia would have been if they had traded Simmons for some depth and a 3&D shooter and signed LeBron...

PG - some 3&D PG
SG - Covington / Belinelli
SF - LeBron
PF - Saric / Ilyasova
C - Embiid

That team would have been absolutely perfect for him and they would have been legit contenders for the title, not just get to the Finals and get swept.

[Ben Simmons 25]

LeBron told Magic that he would be bringing other super stars with him and Magic drank the cool aid. People need to ask themselves why no one made the jump to LA with LeBron. :lol

Well it's pretty obvious why... most people don't want the media scrutiny that LeBron brings.

You think all of his teammates ever hate him or something? Pretty sure that's the implication... and it's wrong... this year would probably be the first year that the team and him are kind of separate... that's because Ingram is selfish and not complimentary to LeBron's game at all in addition to... the entire ****ing team almost got traded and it's obvious LeBron would have been happy for it so naturally they're not going to gel.

To act like LeBron is some chemistry killing cancer in terms of getting along with teammates throughout his career is ridiculous... people have routinely taken pay cuts to play with him and guys have broken down in tears in their feelings when he's left them...

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Imagine how good Philadelphia would have been if they had traded Simmons for some depth and a 3&D shooter and signed LeBron...

PG - some 3&D PG
SG - Covington / Belinelli
SF - LeBron
PF - Saric / Ilyasova
C - Embiid

That team would have been absolutely perfect for him and they would have been legit contenders for the title, not just get to the Finals and get swept.

Bran/Embiid is a horrible fit

Bran cant play the 3 anymore b/c of how bad he is defensively and he doesnt have the athleticism he used to just slash and take it inside. He works on the block alot now and he uses the same spots Embiid does. Embiids offense outside the post is horrible and Bran has never made it work with post big man specially of the talent of Joel

[Mr.GOAT2408]

It's pathetic because this team is pretty similar to the team that won 35 games last year, Lonzo's injury last year and now this year really ****ed everything up and I just don't see him coming back soon enough for us to make a playoff push

I don't think we have anyone on the roster good enough to make a playoff push, hope to be wrong though because I really want to see this team make the playoffs!

[Spurs m8]

Whats the bet Lonzo is healthy and ready to play and Bran is black balling him for that snapchat or tweet saying he ain't going nowhere, and since his dad came back out and said Lonzo is better than Bran LMAO

[Ben Simmons 25]

Whats the bet Lonzo is healthy and ready to play and Bran is black balling him for that snapchat or tweet saying he ain't going nowhere, and since his dad came back out and said Lonzo is better than Bran LMAO

If you really, really believe that, you need help. And I say that not in a funny or insulting way.

[And1AllDay]

Imagine how good Philadelphia would have been if they had traded Simmons for some depth and a 3&D shooter and signed LeBron...

PG - some 3&D PG
SG - Covington / Belinelli
SF - LeBron
PF - Saric / Ilyasova
C - Embiid

That team would have been absolutely perfect for him and they would have been legit contenders for the title, not just get to the Finals and get swept.

Instant chip

[SomeBlackDude]

pre '18-'19: "bron can turn any squad into an instant championship contender. 8 skrait finals babay!"

now: "le8th seed is the new championship."

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CraftyClumsyBalloonfish-size_restricted.gif

[And1AllDay]

pre '18-'19: "bron can turn any squad into an instant championship contender. 8 skrait finals babay!"

now: "le8th seed is the new championship."

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CraftyClumsyBalloonfish-size_restricted.gif

Uhhh so you saying the 2007 Cavs roster is even worse then current Lakers????

[SomeBlackDude]

Uhhh so you saying the 2007 Cavs roster is even worse then current Lakers????

now imagine le2007 cavs in lewest.

do they get out of the first round?

do they even make the playoffs?

we know what happened the second they ran into their first west coast squad in the playoffs.

https://i.ibb.co/7nQRNHR/Worst-Finals-Le-Bron.jpg

lebroom.

one for the history books. :applause:

[ClipperRevival]

now imagine le2007 cavs in lewest.

do they get out of the first round?

do they even make the playoffs?

we know what happened the second they ran into their first west coast squad in the playoffs.

https://i.ibb.co/7nQRNHR/Worst-Finals-Le-Bron.jpg

lebroom.

one for the history books. :applause:

LeBron's had some serious lows in big moments. No doubt he's had a ton of great bIg moments too but 2007 and 2011, he was awful in the finals. AWFUL.

[Dray n Klay]

LeBron's had some serious lows in big moments. No doubt he's had a ton of great bIg moments too but 2007 and 2011, he was awful in the finals. AWFUL.

What was Jordans Finals stats at 22 and 26 years old?

Oh wait

[SomeBlackDude]

What was Jordans Finals stats at 22 and 26 years old?

Oh wait

jordan at those ages was playing in a legit conference.

how's le10th seed's first year out west looking?

:yaohappy:

[OldSchoolBBall]

Comparing apples to oranges. Love has been out most of the season. Bron left his team after it got bukkakied in the finals.

MJ left his team as 3 peating champs. He left them in winning hands with confidence. Pip and Grant were entering their absolute peak. They added Kukoc and Kerr. And they had a system in place. The only system you run with Bron is Bron ball so when he leaves, teams have to find a new identity and are in shambles.

Exactly.

[PickernRoller]

I see this thread is in very good hands. Bran stans trying to make a stand but pathetically getting steamrolled.... :lol :lol

[Mr.GOAT2408]

Uhhh so you saying the 2007 Cavs roster is even worse then current Lakers????
That team was probably worse but the East was honestly the worst it ever was in that time (relatively speaking, obviously better than the garbage man squads of the 60s)

No Arenas or Butler for the 1st round, no Ben Wallace on that 07 Pistons team. Cavs would have still won vs Wizards in like 6-7 games but if Wallace had not left there's no way the Pistons don't make the finals

Team would definitely not make the get past the 1st round in the West, it would most likely win low-mid 40s which means a meeting with the Mavs, Suns, or Spurs...

We already know how Cavs/Spurs turned out :roll:

[sportjames23]

30 games below .500 without him


:dancin


Bulls were 30 games above .500 without Jordan in 94


And what did they win in 94 without MJ?

I'll wait.

[SamuraiSWISH]

And what did they win in 94 without MJ?

I'll wait.
Same thing a LeBron team won in 6 of his 9 Finals trips

[chains5000]

How long until Lebron's new reaching the Finals is just winning 41 games?

[bullettooth]

Soon enough all LeBron will have to do is suit up and we'll still have Wheels and media jockriders like Colin Cowherd and Nick Wright gagging over his 3.9" peen.

[34-24 Footwork]

Imagine how good Philadelphia would have been if they had traded Simmons for some depth and a 3&D shooter and signed LeBron...

PG - some 3&D PG
SG - Covington / Belinelli
SF - LeBron
PF - Saric / Ilyasova
C - Embiid

That team would have been absolutely perfect for him and they would have been legit contenders for the title, not just get to the Finals and get swept.


If this happened, you'd be bitching about how much everyone sucks and can't shoot.

Embid would turn into a volume spot up shooter, btw.
He wouldn't be allowed to play his game.

With stans like you who don't truly understand basketball, there will ALWAYS be a reason why a Lebron team isn't successful. It's a cycle. Lol @ you pretending like it's new.

[LostCause]

The fact Windhorst actually said this is ****ing terrible lmao

[Wally450]

And what did they win in 94 without MJ?

I'll wait.

They won this...

https://i.postimg.cc/wTqLqW76/Sport-James-Owned.png

[FKAri]

pre '18-'19: "bron can turn any squad into an instant championship contender. 8 skrait finals babay!"

now: "le8th seed is the new championship."

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CraftyClumsyBalloonfish-size_restricted.gif
That nostalgia. I used to love this segment :oldlol:

[tpols]

How about this team isn't built to suit his play style and on top of that they're a bunch of 2nd year players who aren't YET great and a bunch of misfit toy castoff vets, and ON TOP OF THAT... father time is starting to catch up with him... he missed a month of play for the first time in his career on a fluke play...

People do eventually get old.

But do you honestly think that 2013 LeBron with this current squad misses a month due to injury and misses the playoffs?

So when Kobe started missing the playoffs due to age, that was an indictment on his entire career?

I realize that's not the only factor at play here with your thinking, I'm just pointing out how the entirety of it is flawed... but you probably already knew that.

Agendas are a bitch.



Kobe made the playoffs at the same age mate. With a worse cast and no "load management" days off or locker room sabotage.

All the stuff we said all along about poor fit everywhere he goes and conference disparity is coming to full light now.

[PP34Deuce]

He and Rich really messed up the dynamic and if you combine that, it' s made it a mission to clear out and retool the team.


That said, The main reason they've lost games is a mix of lazy play and Rondo kind of falling off a cliff. They also aren't playing for each other. Happens...

Lakers have assets, they won't be able to outbid Boston on AD, but they should be able to retool the team to be competitive.