Lebron is babied about the 14' Finals

[3ball]

Teams can't be excused for losing every time there's a minor discrepancy in talent

The Heat were favored in 13' and had enough help to win that year.. but somehow, the 31-year-old Wade and 29-year old Bosh got old in 1 year, while the 36/35/30 trio of duncan/ginobili/parker didn't?

Nonsense - the Spurs simply played that old man ball movement, while the Heat employed a more intensive style that entailed much less ball movement, assists, and weaker brand of ball.. And Lebron couldn't marshall his team to give a good defensive effort, although everyone held their man to their regular season averages except lebron
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[SamuraiSWISH]

Small discrepancies in talent don’t matter when you have the best player on the floor in a series let alone the self proclaimed “GOAT”

[bigkingsfan]

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[3ball]

Small discrepancies in talent don’t matter when you have the best player on the floor in a series let alone the self proclaimed “GOAT”


Exactly.. Sometimes the team is just playing a worse way, and minor talent discrepancies don't mean much, and should be offset by a so-called goat and quality brand of ball

i.e. why can't the 29-year old Bosh be expected to outplay 37-year old Duncan?.. Surely there's scenarios where that would happen.. But lebron has always marginalized forwards, so it wasn't going to happen with Bosh reduced for 3 years into a lesser player entirely (spot-up shooter)

And why can't Wade outplay Parker the way he crushed the pacers in the 14' ECF? Its because Miami's brand was getting completely outclassed and blown away - players will always play bad in that scenario, as did lebron when the games were contested

[Dray n Klay]

Exactly.. Sometimes the team is just playing a worse WAY, and talent doesn't mean much

i.e. why can't the 29-year old Bosh be expected to outplay 37-year old Duncan?.. Surely there's scenarios where that would happen.. But lebron has always marginalized forwards, so it wasn't going to happen with Bosh reduced for 3 years into a lesser player entirely (spot-up shooter)

And why can't Wade outplay Parker the way he crushed the pacers in the 14' ECF? Its because Miami's brand was getting completely outclassed and blown away - players will always play bad in that scenario, as did lebron when the games were contested
28ppg on 68% True Shooting

Along with 8 rebounds and 4 assists


Better PER than 5/6 of MJ's Finals

[ClipperRevival]

Few hold 2014 against Bron but I say why not? If you are the supposed GOAT and you have Wade, Bosh and 2 lights out spot up shooters in Allen and Lewis and you're going up against a 37 yr old Duncan and company, you should win. Some say that was the most beautiful brand of team ball they had seen by the Spurs. Perhaps. But who let it happen Lol. Mr. "Guard all 5 positions" should've put the hammer done on the D end and set the tone for his team. But D has never seen a consistent part of his game.

And the series wasn't even close. It was another bukkaki session.

[Walk on Water]

28ppg on 68% True Shooting

Along with 8 rebounds and 4 assists


Better PER than 5/6 of MJ's Finals


Which makes it even worse he can

[ClipperRevival]

[QUOTE=Walk on Water]Which makes it even worse he can

[FKAri]

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This was when I knew that this guy was no GOAT but just the next turd shitted out of the hype machine.

[sdot_thadon]

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:oldlol: pimp slapped

[3ball]

28ppg on 68% True Shooting


- A pathetic, "careful" 17 shots per game that did nothing to dictate the game... he knew that was a mistake, so he shot 33 times in 15', and fared better against a better team with an injured cast

- His stats were also achieved by employing a low team.assist style and GOAT stat-padding.

- Most of lebron's points were scored in garbage time:


Games 3-4-5

Lebron scored 51 of his 81 points (63%) being down 15+
Leonard scored 27 of his 71 points (38%) being up 15+
Leonard outscored Lebron 44-30 in non-blowout situations


Game 3
Lebron had 14 points and 0 TO in first quarter, then 8 points and 7 TOs for the last 3 quarters. LeBron had 22-5-7-5 with 7 TOs on 64%, Wade had 22-4-2-2 with 5 TOs on 67%. But over the last 3 quarters, LeBron had 8 points and 7 TOs to Wade's 20 points and 3 TOs. The Heat cut the lead from 15 to 9 without LeBron, after Wade subbed in for him, from the 5:00 to 1:00 mark of the 3rd quarter, but even with that help LeBron still lost.

Game 4
Lebron had 9 points in first half and the Heat were blown out by 19 at halftime. He padded his stats from there, and he did not score on Leonard in the first half.

Game 5
Lebron had 1 FG in 2nd quarter (2:30 mark) to bring the Heat within 5. Then he did not score again until the Heat were down 21 with 4:40 in the 3rd. LeBron shot 1-6 against Leonard this game.







Better PER than 5/6 of MJ's Finals


If MJ won in 98' with an old, banged up squad, then lebron fails the goat standard by not winning in 14'

29-year old Bosh was the starter in the 14' playoffs, whereas 36-year old rodman wasn't the starter for the 98' run (MJ won the 98' ring with kukoc).. Pippen was horrible in 98' ECF and was never an all-star after 98, while the younger Wade was lights out in 14' ecf and made 3 more all-star games after 14'

So if MJ won in 98' with an old, banged up squad, then lebron fails the goat standard by not winning in 14

[STATUTORY]

- A pathetic, "careful" 17 shots per game that did nothing to dictate the game... he knew that was a mistake, so he shot 33 times in 15', and fared better against a better team with an injured cast

- His stats were also achieved by employing a low team.assist style and GOAT stat-padding.

- Most of lebron's points were scored in garbage time:


Games 3-4-5

Lebron scored 51 of his 81 points (63%) being down 15+
Leonard scored 27 of his 71 points (38%) being up 15+
Leonard outscored Lebron 44-30 in non-blowout situations


Game 3
Lebron had 14 points and 0 TO in first quarter, then 8 points and 7 TOs for the last 3 quarters. LeBron had 22-5-7-5 with 7 TOs on 64%, Wade had 22-4-2-2 with 5 TOs on 67%. But over the last 3 quarters, LeBron had 8 points and 7 TOs to Wade's 20 points and 3 TOs. The Heat cut the lead from 15 to 9 without LeBron, after Wade subbed in for him, from the 5:00 to 1:00 mark of the 3rd quarter, but even with that help LeBron still lost.

Game 4
Lebron had 9 points in first half and the Heat were blown out by 19 at halftime. He padded his stats from there, and he did not score on Leonard in the first half.

Game 5
Lebron had 1 FG in 2nd quarter (2:30 mark) to bring the Heat within 5. Then he did not score again until the Heat were down 21 with 4:40 in the 3rd. LeBron shot 1-6 against Leonard this game.





If MJ won in 98' with an old, banged up squad, then lebron fails the goat standard by not winning in 14'

29-year old Bosh was the starter in the 14' playoffs, whereas 36-year old rodman wasn't the starter for the 98' run (MJ won the 98' ring with kukoc).. Pippen was horrible in 98' ECF and was never an all-star after 98, while the younger Wade was lights out in 14' ecf and made 3 more all-star games after 14'

So if MJ won in 98' with an old, banged up squad, then lebron fails the goat standard by not winning in 14

:applause: with lebron there's always a huge discrepancy between the boxscore and the in-game performance because Lebron plays to maximize his statistics. His stats are essentially manipulated and doctored.

[SouBeachTalents]

I recall Bron was stat padding pretty hard in that series when the games were out of reach.
Lol, total bullshit. LeBron scored 14 of his 22 points in the first quarter in Game 3, and 17 of his 31 points in the first quarter in Game 5. And for good measure, he averaged a 2011-esque 3 ppg in the 4th of all 3 blowouts, so there goes that claim

[sdot_thadon]

- A pathetic, "careful" 17 shots per game that did nothing to dictate the game... he knew that was a mistake, so he shot 33 times in 15', and fared better against a better team with an injured cast

- His stats were also achieved by employing a low team.assist style and GOAT stat-padding.

- Most of lebron's points were scored in garbage time:


Games 3-4-5

Lebron scored 51 of his 81 points (63%) being down 15+
Leonard scored 27 of his 71 points (38%) being up 15+
Leonard outscored Lebron 44-30 in non-blowout situations


Game 3
Lebron had 14 points and 0 TO in first quarter, then 8 points and 7 TOs for the last 3 quarters. LeBron had 22-5-7-5 with 7 TOs on 64%, Wade had 22-4-2-2 with 5 TOs on 67%. But over the last 3 quarters, LeBron had 8 points and 7 TOs to Wade's 20 points and 3 TOs. The Heat cut the lead from 15 to 9 without LeBron, after Wade subbed in for him, from the 5:00 to 1:00 mark of the 3rd quarter, but even with that help LeBron still lost.

Game 4
Lebron had 9 points in first half and the Heat were blown out by 19 at halftime. He padded his stats from there, and he did not score on Leonard in the first half.

Game 5
Lebron had 1 FG in 2nd quarter (2:30 mark) to bring the Heat within 5. Then he did not score again until the Heat were down 21 with 4:40 in the 3rd. LeBron shot 1-6 against Leonard this game.





If MJ won in 98' with an old, banged up squad, then lebron fails the goat standard by not winning in 14'

29-year old Bosh was the starter in the 14' playoffs, whereas 36-year old rodman wasn't the starter for the 98' run (MJ won the 98' ring with kukoc).. Pippen was horrible in 98' ECF and was never an all-star after 98, while the younger Wade was lights out in 14' ecf and made 3 more all-star games after 14'

So if MJ won in 98' with an old, banged up squad, then lebron fails the goat standard by not winning in 14
yeah cause we all know all time greats are instructed to stop shooting down 15 :facepalm

[305Baller]

oh, I can chime in on this. The Big 3 Heat were never the perfectly built team. They had chemistry issues. Luckily their talent pushed them over the top. That fourth year they were mentally drained and not very cohesive. In the Finals they were out of gas. Spurs also played with a vengeance.

[3ball]

yeah cause we all know all time greats are instructed to stop shooting down 15 :facepalm
Dallas and their shit defense almost beat the Spurs in 14'

And that was an old Dirk, whose Mavs had a chance because of great teamwork, just like the spurs were using.. if Dirk had won that series, it would've been hilarious to see him give Bron another Finals beatdown..

That was Dirk.. imagine MJ or Bird.. their teams would play like the Spurs too - juggernaut offense with killer teamwork, brand of ball and determination - they would've won like Dallas almost did

The spurs record beatdown showed that most western teams would've beaten the Heat that year

[SomeBlackDude]

28ppg on 68% True Shooting

Along with 8 rebounds and 4 assists


Better PER than 5/6 of MJ's Finals

every time you post, i become more and more convinced that bronny is the most overrated player of all time. :lol

2014 was the biggest beatdown in nba finals history.


With a 104-87 blowout in Game 5 last night, the Spurs became the most dominant NBA finals winners ever.

The chart shows the Spurs scored 70 points more than the Heat this series besting the previous victory margin leaders, the 1965 Celtics, who outscored the Lakers by 63.

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it was topped by 2018.


In fact, the average point differential between the Warriors and the Cavs was the largest in NBA Finals history at 15 points. Coincidentally, the second-highest average margin of victory in the NBA Finals ever was 14 in 2014 when the Spurs trounced LeBron and the Heat during his final season in Miami.

i'll let you figure out what lecommon denominator was in the 2 worst losses in nba finals history.

but dem $tats doe.

:yaohappy:

[Mr.GOAT2408]

Dude stat padded hard in that series. Any pro basketball player would look good if their team is getting blown out by 20+ and they handle the ball as much as LeBron does.

I'll give him props for game 2 since they won a close 1 and he played well, his only truly great performance that series, but the others? Straight up statpadding

[Loco 50]

lecommon denominator

:yaohappy:
:oldlol: :applause: :bowdown: :applause::oldlol:

[PickernRoller]

If excuses had a sex partner, it would Lebron Raymone James.

[PickernRoller]

i'll let you figure out what lecommon denominator was in the 2 worst losses in nba finals history.



:roll: :roll: :applause:

[And1AllDay]

If only he had faced the Terry Porter Blazers or the Hornacek 10 ppg Jazz instead :oldlol: :oldlol:

[3ball]

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Here's Broussard talking the current Warriors and 14' Spurs:

He says the Warriors without Durant are showing that basketball is more than an accumulation of talent - teamwork wins too - just like the 14' Heat had more talent than the Spurs, but the Spurs won with far superior teamwork and ball-movement

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j7zGMHtiWpw&t=06m35s

[Nowoco]

Never forget how much LeBron improved his numbers this series when games were long over and in garbage time.

[TheCorporation]

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[TheCorporation]

28ppg on 68% True Shooting

Along with 8 rebounds and 4 assists


Better PER than 5/6 of MJ's Finals


Bang

[Turbo Slayer]

LeBrick

[TheCorporation]

LeBrick

68% TS vs DPOY Kawhi = LeBrick? :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

Few hold 2014 against Bron but I say why not? If you are the supposed GOAT and you have Wade, Bosh and 2 lights out spot up shooters in Allen and Lewis and you're going up against a 37 yr old Duncan and company, you should win. Some say that was the most beautiful brand of team ball they had seen by the Spurs. Perhaps. But who let it happen Lol. Mr. "Guard all 5 positions" should've put the hammer done on the D end and set the tone for his team. But D has never seen a consistent part of his game.

And the series wasn't even close. It was another bukkaki session.

I guess its because:

Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, Kawhi Leonard, Boris Diaw, Tiago Spliter, Danny Green, Mario Belinelli, Patty Mills, deepest team since the 80s. Won 62 games with no player averaging 30 minutes (!!), could have easily gone for 67+ otherwise.

12 of the Spurs' 16 playoff wins were by 15 points or more, highest playoff +/- since the 2001 Lakers.

Meanwhile 7/12 Heat's rotation players were retired within the next TWO years (Allen, Battier, Lewis (all retired on the spot), Jones, Andersen) or weren't good enough for the NBA anymore (Douglas, Cole) while Haslem played another 5 seasons at under 10 mpg. Even Chalmers eventually faded away to Europe. The team was old as dirt, declined and at the end of their playing days. A theoretically solid role player in Beasley was disliked by Spoelstra.

Bosh averaged 5 rpg in 36 minutes of play.

Wade followed a 3/11 game with a 4/12 game, and those numbers are kind considering he padded them. +Terrible defense, contributing to the Spurs shooting historic 53/47 percent from 3/2.

G4 after 3 quarters: (Heat down 24 - Game over) 4 points on 1-10
G5 after 3 quarters: (Heat down 19 - Game over) 8 points on 3-11

Wade was painting his toenails black, doing make-up on women, and promoting feminine fashion.. he had long lost aspiration. LeBron was the only one fixated.

The team was overhyped to begin with based on the past 2 seasons.

5th in ORtg, 11th in DRtg

In the ECSF, Brooklyn shot 46.5% against Miami compared to their season average of 45.9%.
In the ECF, Indy shot 46.9% against Miami compared to their season average of 44.9%.

Spurs' SRS was almost twice as high.

How about the 3rd quarter of game 4, where LeBron tried to mount a comeback, but no teammate of his could hit the open sea?

LeBron scored 19/21 Heat 3rd quarter points on 7/9 shooting, yet the deficit INCREASED as his teammates shot 1/9. They were 10/36 through 3 quarters.

Game 5: Team goes 7/22 + 6 TO's outside LeBron in the first half, who erupted for 17 1st quarter points, and the second he went to the bench his teammates cut the lead, namely Battier fouling untimely TWICE sending them to the line.


It's no surprise the team was garbage the next year even though Wade was more motivated, they added Deng and Dragic...

[LostCause]

i'll let you figure out what lecommon denominator was in the 2 worst losses in nba finals history.

Lmao. Ether

[ArbitraryWater]

Lmao. Ether

another dumbass.

let yourself get educated by my comment

[LostCause]

another dumbass.

let yourself get educated by my comment
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[TheCorporation]

I guess its because:

Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, Kawhi Leonard, Boris Diaw, Tiago Spliter, Danny Green, Mario Belinelli, Patty Mills, deepest team since the 80s. Won 62 games with no player averaging 30 minutes (!!), could have easily gone for 67+ otherwise.

12 of the Spurs' 16 playoff wins were by 15 points or more, highest playoff +/- since the 2001 Lakers.

Meanwhile 7/12 Heat's rotation players were retired within the next TWO years (Allen, Battier, Lewis (all retired on the spot), Jones, Andersen) or weren't good enough for the NBA anymore (Douglas, Cole) while Haslem played another 5 seasons at under 10 mpg. Even Chalmers eventually faded away to Europe. The team was old as dirt, declined and at the end of their playing days. A theoretically solid role player in Beasley was disliked by Spoelstra.

Bosh averaged 5 rpg in 36 minutes of play.

Wade followed a 3/11 game with a 4/12 game, and those numbers are kind considering he padded them. +Terrible defense, contributing to the Spurs shooting historic 53/47 percent from 3/2.

G4 after 3 quarters: (Heat down 24 - Game over) 4 points on 1-10
G5 after 3 quarters: (Heat down 19 - Game over) 8 points on 3-11

Wade was painting his toenails black, doing make-up on women, and promoting feminine fashion.. he had long lost aspiration. LeBron was the only one fixated.

The team was overhyped to begin with based on the past 2 seasons.

5th in ORtg, 11th in DRtg

In the ECSF, Brooklyn shot 46.5% against Miami compared to their season average of 45.9%.
In the ECF, Indy shot 46.9% against Miami compared to their season average of 44.9%.

Spurs' SRS was almost twice as high.

How about the 3rd quarter of game 4, where LeBron tried to mount a comeback, but no teammate of his could hit the open sea?

LeBron scored 19/21 Heat 3rd quarter points on 7/9 shooting, yet the deficit INCREASED as his teammates shot 1/9. They were 10/36 through 3 quarters.

Game 5: Team goes 7/22 + 6 TO's outside LeBron in the first half, who erupted for 17 1st quarter points, and the second he went to the bench his teammates cut the lead, namely Battier fouling untimely TWICE sending them to the line.


It's no surprise the team was garbage the next year even though Wade was more motivated, they added Deng and Dragic...

And

JUST :banana:

LIKE :dancin

THAT :hammertime:

[3ball]

And

JUST :banana:

LIKE :dancin

THAT :hammertime:
Arbitrary just described the horrible teamwork of lebron's teams, thus making Broussard's point about how the 14' Spurs won the Finals with better teamwork, not talent

[TheCorporation]

Arbitrary just described the horrible teamwork of lebron's teams, thus making Broussard's point about how the 14' Spurs won the Finals with better teamwork, not talent

2014 Wade was a top-10 worst #2 Finals producer ever. Yet you cry about Pippen who waa even better than 2014 Wade.

Pick a point.

Make sense.

Be better.

Try again.

[3ball]

2014 Wade was a top-10 worst #2 Finals producer ever. Yet you cry about Pippen who wasn't even better than 2014.

Pick a point.

Make sense.

Be better.

Try again.
teammates need good teamwork to play well, not weak teamwork that can't keep up

Anytime a team has an inferior brand that is getting destroyed, teammates play bad - this included lebron, who played worse than Wade when the games were within 10 points - this is a documented fact

In other words - have better teamwork and teammates will play better (and lebron will play better too)..

But unfortunately, lebron's skill restriction to ball-domination hurts ball movement and prevents great teamwork - so his loss to the Spurs is standard and similar to his Dallas, Warriors and Magic losses - like clockwork, his team employs inferior teamwork, so teammates play bad... again, teammates need good teamwork to play well
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[Da_Realist]

every time you post, i become more and more convinced that bronny is the most overrated player of all time. :lol

2014 was the biggest beatdown in nba finals history.



it was topped by 2018.



i'll let you figure out what lecommon denominator was in the 2 worst losses in nba finals history.

but dem $tats doe.

:yaohappy:

:oldlol: