Cohen ripping Trump a new one live

[Draz]

Called out of work again with food poison these past two days but today I'm happy I can watch this live.

Hilarious.

[Long Duck Dong]

He'd better if he doesn't want to die in a jail cell one day

[highwhey]

get ready for ISH maga fam being very hostile this week :oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

Cohen is going to jail and Trump is going to denuclearize North Korea.



That is what is hilarious.

[Draz]

Pat, since when you've turned?

At least you can agree there are some shady shit going on.. No?

[dude77]

not really .. cohen is a terrible witness .. the guy is convicted of lying to congress and he's back testifying to congress :wtf:


Cohen

[highwhey]

[QUOTE=dude77]not really .. cohen is a terrible witness .. the guy is convicted of lying to congress and he's back testifying to congress :wtf:


Cohen

[Patrick Chewing]

Pat, since when you've turned?

At least you can agree there are some shady shit going on.. No?


There is definitely some shady shit going on with Cohen himself.


But to think Trump would be so careless while running for President is laughable. The man is calculated. And Cohen has proven himself to be a liar, and a weasel.

[MaxFly]

that's not conflicting information. only a low iq trump supporter would take this out of context and attempt to frame cohen as incoherent and giving conflicting information.

the truth was trump didn't expect to win, initially. once he won the primary and saw he was gaining traction and he just might have a shot at it, he began taking it more seriously and decided to tie up loose ends.

stay low iq maga fam :oldlol:

And to be frank, this is a credit to Trump... it was a win/win. Even if he lost, he was able to gain traction and acclaim among a group of citizens with whom he had no connection prior in service of future projects and endeavors. If he won, he became President. I respect the hustle to be honest. Well played.

[highwhey]

And to be frank, this is a credit to Trump... it was a win/win. Even if he lost, he was able to gain traction and acclaim among a group of citizens with whom he had no connection prior in service of future projects and endeavors. If he won, he became President. I respect the hustle to be honest. Well played.
no doubt.

no one else can say they announced to run for president just to fck around, but actually won. he took the american dream to the max :lol

[TheMan]

that's not conflicting information. only a low iq trump supporter would take this out of context and attempt to frame cohen as incoherent and giving conflicting information.

the truth was trump didn't expect to win, initially. once he won the primary and saw he was gaining traction and he just might have a shot at it, he began taking it more seriously and decided to tie up loose ends.

stay low iq maga fam :oldlol:
Nah dude, lets be real here.

Cohen said he didn't expect to win and he didn't want to win...those are two separate things.

How can you go all out to try to win at all costs and not want to win at the same time?

[Kblaze8855]

All this talk about him not being trustworthy is hilarious. It’s like saying somebody testifying against a mob boss can’t be trusted because they were previously caught lying to the cops about that mob boss before they flipped.

Of course criminals lie about the crimes of their criminal cohorts before they get busted. It’s after you get something on them that they start talking to save themselves.

It’s the backbone of criminal prosecution.

I remember Trump coming out against the entire concept of flipping and it was just amazing seeing law and order Republicans against the very thing used to put half the people doing time away.

There’s always a traitor. That’s the only way you get enough details. Lawyers have been using the “You can’t trust a rat!” line for 100 years in this country.

Republicans have turned into that sniveling lawyer oh goodfellas saying you can’t convict Paulie and Jimmy because Henry is just a rat who would do anything to survive.

If we aren’t listening to snitches because they have something to gain I need like 3 family members let out of jail. Trump should drop a stop snitching executive order and we can let probably 70% of the prison population out right now.

[Ben Simmons 25]

What *is* hilarious is that this guy went along with all of Trump's alleged shenanigans for YEARS "against his best judgement"(he repeated this shit phrase about 5x suggesting that he had any objection at all before I stopped watching) and then only decided to do something that goes along with his good judgement once it was essentially convenient to do so.

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]All this talk about him not being trustworthy is hilarious. It

[MaxFly]

What *is* hilarious is that this guy went along with all of Trump's alleged shenanigans for YEARS "against his best judgement"(he repeated this shit phrase about 5x suggesting that he had any objection at all before I stopped watching) and then only decided to do something that goes along with his good judgement once it was essentially convenient to do so.

Criminals 'gon do what criminals 'gon do, and Michael Cohen is a criminal. That Trump would employ someone like this for such a long time is quite telling.

[r15mohd]

What *is* hilarious is that this guy went along with all of Trump's alleged shenanigans for YEARS "against his best judgement"(he repeated this shit phrase about 5x suggesting that he had any objection at all before I stopped watching) and then only decided to do something that goes along with his good judgement once it was essentially convenient to do so.


Convenient in serving less time...as stated above, many do the same when facing prison and or somewhat a better path going forward.

Pretty sure once he was questioned on how bad prosecution can make his life vs a couple years for coorperating, pretty sure that

[Ben Simmons 25]

Criminals 'gon do what criminals 'gon do, and Michael Cohen is a criminal. That Trump would employ someone like this for such a long time is quite telling.

Well my point is that he's clearly lying about going against his best judgement... which means that he's still actively lying to congress, to what extent I don't know but... I don't care about the rest. It doesn't interest me. I just find this tidbit hilarious.

Being honest would be "yeah, I did all of these things, I lied before and I'm telling the truth now for a better sentence... and here are the other details" instead of repeatedly trying to portray himself as some starstruck victim caught in an inescapable loop of wrongdoings. Come the **** on, eh? Lol. He's still lying.

[Kblaze8855]

What *is* hilarious is that this guy went along with all of Trump's alleged shenanigans for YEARS "against his best judgement"(he repeated this shit phrase about 5x suggesting that he had any objection at all before I stopped watching) and then only decided to do something that goes along with his good judgement once it was essentially convenient to do so.

That

[SomeBlackDude]

What *is* hilarious is that this guy went along with all of Trump's alleged shenanigans for YEARS "against his best judgement"(he repeated this shit phrase about 5x suggesting that he had any objection at all before I stopped watching) and then only decided to do something that goes along with his good judgement once it was essentially convenient to do so.

you just described every criminal in the history of crime. well done. :applause:

[Brujesino]

Trump is gonna deny all of this and his supporters are going to love him even more.

Basically everyone knows Trump is a piece of shit human being but most dont care as long as they get their tax cuts and shit.

[MaxFly]

Well my point is that he's clearly lying about going against his best judgement... which means that he's still actively lying to congress, to what extent I don't know but... I don't care about the rest. It doesn't interest me. I just find this tidbit hilarious.

Being honest would be "yeah, I did all of these things, I lied before and I'm telling the truth now for a better sentence... and here are the other details" instead of repeatedly trying to portray himself as some starstruck victim caught in an inescapable loop of wrongdoings. Come the **** on, eh? Lol. He's still lying.

He basically said that earlier, and has said that he is continuing to help the SDNY in hopes of reducing his sentence further. To your point, I honestly don't think he really considered the legality of the things he did for Trump as evinced by some of the illegal activities he engaged in apart from Trump. The truth is that he got caught and is now repentant, or pretending to be som but that's the case for most criminals. I'm just concerned about whether we can flip his criminality and find out about the criminality of others.

Snitches/rats serve a purpose.

[Patrick Chewing]

Trump is gonna deny all of this and his supporters are going to love him even more.

Basically everyone knows Trump is a piece of shit human being but most dont care as long as they get their tax cuts and shit.


And what does that have to do with him being President? Or his legitimacy as President?

Absolutely nothing. That's what all this is about in the end. Everyone knows Bill Clinton is a piece of shit rapist, but shit, he had a pretty successful 8 years.

[Brujesino]

And what does that have to do with him being President? Or his legitimacy as President?

Absolutely nothing. That's what all this is about in the end. Everyone knows Bill Clinton is a piece of shit rapist, but shit, he had a pretty successful 8 years.
Agreed, nothing.

This whole hearing is just to hear about what a piece of shit he is.This is more of an embarrassment then anything else.

[Patrick Chewing]

Agreed, nothing.

This whole hearing is just to hear about what a piece of shit he is.This is more of an embarrassment then anything else.


It's embarrassing though that the masses are more attracted to this than him being in Vietnam taking part in the denuclearization of North Korea.


Dumb Americans are putting more emphasis on another man smearing him rather than a valiant attempt at peace in that part of the world.

This is American society today. We are better than this.

[MaxFly]

Agreed, nothing.

This whole hearing is just to hear about what a piece of shit he is.This is more of an embarrassment then anything else.

Hmmm, I'm more convinced that Don Jr. is in legal jeopardy right now. The signing of the check could end up being a huge problem for him.

And there's the revelation that Cohen is helping in additional investigatory matters concerning Trump. That's relatively new and juicy info as well.

The Roger Stone/Trump discussion is another one. My guess is that Mueller already had that info, but it has or surely will lead to subpoenas of phone records as well as his secretary. I also believe Trump said he never talked to Stone about the e-mails, but according to Cohen, Trump was well aware that Assange had e-mails that he intended to release to damage Clinton. Let's hope he didn't lie to Mueller about that in his responses.

[Brujesino]

Hmmm, I'm more convinced that Don Jr. is in legal jeopardy right now. The signing of the check could end up being a huge problem for him.

And there's the revelation that Cohen is helping in additional investigatory matters concerning Trump. That's relatively new and juicy info as well.

The Roger Stone/Trump discussion is another one. My guess is that Mueller already had that info, but it has or surely will lead to subpoenas of phone records as well as his secretary. I also believe Trump said he never talked to Stone about the e-mails, but according to Cohen, Trump was well aware that Assange had e-mails that he intended to release to damage Clinton. Let's hope he didn't lie to Mueller about that in his responses.


He did say that don jr was paying him as well. I cant wait for the mueller report.

[Akrazotile]

Trump is gonna deny all of this and his supporters are going to love him even more.

Basically everyone knows Trump is a piece of shit human being but most dont care as long as they get their tax cuts and shit.


I'm sure you work for a non profit and spend all your free time volunteering for charity :rolleyes:


Faux-righteous, low IQ scrub.

[rufuspaul]

Trump might just go down as the only president in history to win the Nobel Peace Prize and get impeached in the same year.

[Brujesino]

I'm sure you work for a non profit and spend all your free time volunteering for charity :rolleyes:


Faux-righteous, low IQ scrub.
Yes I do.

[Facepalm]

Cohen is going to jail and Trump is going to denuclearize North Korea.



That is what is hilarious.
It's so cute that you think NK will give up their nukes

[Patrick Chewing]

It's so cute that you think NK will give up their nukes


And when they do, Trump will win the Nobel Peace Prize, the 2020 Election, and Time Magazine's Person of the Year.


I only have one question for you at that point.



Whatcha gonna do??


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FlawlessEasygoingGnu-small.gif

[bladefd]

And no one is really confused about this... whether it be those Reps in the room asking these questions and bellyaching about his truthfullness or posters here on the board. It's all in service of creating a narrative that undermines his credibility and distracts from his testimony. They're hoping people are too stupid or too invested in their support of Trump to see through it.

It's like people have never seen a mob movie. Just comes off as desperate. :confusedshrug:

Most of the GOP people asking these questions know they have to protect Trump. What they don't seem to realize (or they probably do) in the big picture is that Trump is known to be unreliable, petty scumbag and a pathological liar.

They are doing exactly what Cohen did with Trump for years, protecting him.

Their strategy is mired in focusing exclusively on the crimes of the source (Cohen), who has already admitted his guilt to those aforementioned crimes & is going to prison for them, rather than asking about the subject (Trump), who is the reason for so many investigations & lawsuits. This feels more like a trial than a testimony.

They know they can't focus on Trump at all without making Trump (and in return themselves) look bad. Their only ammo left is to focus on Cohen himself. They will do the same with Mueller and anyone who does any testimony against Trump.

[Akrazotile]

Most of the GOP people asking these questions know they have to protect Trump. What they don't seem to realize (or they probably do) in the big picture is that Trump is known to be unreliable, petty scumbag and a pathological liar.

They are doing exactly what Cohen did with Trump for years, protecting him.

Their strategy is mired in focusing exclusively on the crimes of the source (Cohen), who has already admitted his guilt to those aforementioned crimes & is going to prison for them, rather than asking about the subject (Trump), who is the reason for so many investigations & lawsuits. This feels more like a trial than a testimony.

They know they can't focus on Trump at all without making Trump (and in return themselves) look bad. Their only ammo left is to focus on Cohen himself. They will do the same with Mueller and anyone who does any testimony against Trump.


Deep, original insight :rolleyes: Haven't heard this from you before, damn.

You stay up late workin on that take?

[TheMan]

you just described every criminal in the history of crime. well done. :applause:
:oldlol:

[TheMan]

Trump might just go down as the only president in history to win the Nobel Peace Prize and get impeached in the same year.
Trump will not win the Noble Peace prize nor will he get impeached, no matter how damaging the Mueller report is.

[bladefd]

Powerful ending by Cummings. He is absolutely right. What the hell is all this? This partisanship is out of control and bleeding this country dry. You can do better, I can do better, we can all do better.

Truth absolutely matters and justice and accountability. It's not and should not be about party. It should be about upholding values and ensuring the future of democracy.

[bladefd]

It's embarrassing though that the masses are more attracted to this than him being in Vietnam taking part in the denuclearization of North Korea.


Dumb Americans are putting more emphasis on another man smearing him rather than a valiant attempt at peace in that part of the world.

This is American society today. We are better than this.

Accountability matters. We can't overlook everything that happened in 2015-2017 just because we are in 2019.

[NumberSix]

Powerful ending by Cummings. He is absolutely right. What the hell is all this? This partisanship is out of control and bleeding this country dry. You can do better, I can do better, we can all do better.

Truth absolutely matters and justice and accountability. It's not and should not be about party. It should be about upholding values and ensuring the future of democracy.
Right, but one party doesn

[NumberSix]

Accountability matters. We can't overlook everything that happened in 2015-2017 just because we are in 2019.
Agreed. If Mueller concludes that Trump didn

[Akrazotile]

Right, but one party doesn’t believe in these values. They believe in nonsense like “believe all victims”, socialism, open borders, business is bad, abortion for people who’ve been born, etc.


:lol


This sounds so over the top it's actually funny.


Except... it is ofc an actual left wing thing :biggums: :facepalm

[Hawker]

Powerful ending by Cummings. He is absolutely right. What the hell is all this? This partisanship is out of control and bleeding this country dry. You can do better, I can do better, we can all do better.

Truth absolutely matters and justice and accountability. It's not and should not be about party. It should be about upholding values and ensuring the future of democracy.

We’re a republic. Stop fearmongering and repeating mainstream media talking point like “ensure the future of democracy.” You have a sheep mentality.

You don’t own or determine the values of America.

[bladefd]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Right, but one party doesn

[Ben Simmons 25]

He basically said that earlier, and has said that he is continuing to help the SDNY in hopes of reducing his sentence further. To your point, I honestly don't think he really considered the legality of the things he did for Trump as evinced by some of the illegal activities he engaged in apart from Trump. The truth is that he got caught and is now repentant, or pretending to be som but that's the case for most criminals. I'm just concerned about whether we can flip his criminality and find out about the criminality of others.

Snitches/rats serve a purpose.

So pretending to be repentant, aka lying, is ok... and doesn't at all indicate that he would continue to lie to make himself look better or make his life better? Is that what you're saying?

My point is that he's STILL LYING.

You can never 100% peer into another man's heart but he'd have to be the motherload of naivety and fear to make a change in his own life to not be lying about his own feelings towards the events over the years. The motherload. And given that it is extremely likely that he is lying about his repentance, I find it to be probable that he would say anything that he perceives will make his own life better, regardless of the validity, or truthfulness, if you will.

That doesn't mean that he's lying about everything or most things, any longer... only that he is still lying, and thus everything he says must be taken with a grain of salt as a result.

[Hawker]

That's a straw-man argument. The platform of Democrats is not socialism, open borders, "business is bad," widespread support for late stage abortion, etc. Many members may support some of the things, but it's not a majority all or some or many of those things.
Not a straw man. There are elected representatives right now that believe in this and continues to go left. They absolutely demonize success.

[bladefd]

We’re a republic. Stop fearmongering and repeating mainstream media talking point like “ensure the future of democracy.” You have a sheep mentality.

You don’t own or determine the values of America.

And you are stuck in the rabbit hole of "defend Trump no matter what."

Get your head out of the sand and realize that you got played by a con-artist of a President, who lies so much that he can't even keep track of his lies.. Wake up.

And yeah, the term 'values' is broad. Nobody owns or determines the values of the entire nation, but there are some general values that we should support as a country.. Things like accountability, keeping peace, upholding justice & dignity, equality, human rights, opposing discrimination, protecting the environment, patriotism (but not nationalism), etc..

[bladefd]

Not a straw man. There are elected representatives right now that believe in this and continues to go left. They absolutely demonize success.

A few representatives out of how many total?

[Akrazotile]

And you are stuck in the rabbit hole of "defend Trump no matter what."

Get your head out of the sand and realize that you got played by a con-artist of a President, who lies so much that he can't even keep track of his lies.. Wake up.

And yeah, the term 'values' is broad. Nobody owns or determines the values of the entire nation, but there are some general values that we should support as a country.. Things like accountability, keeping peace, upholding justice & dignity, equality, human rights, opposing discrimination, protecting the environment, patriotism (but not nationalism), etc..


How many past presidents do you think ran for the office as an altruistic gesture? The presidency is a career and ego move. Not a volunteer position. Youre just suddenly having a tantrum about this now that it’s socially “cool” to pitch a fit about Trump? Youre a screeching parrot. You sound like youre convincing yourself to become angry because you thjnk it will lead to social approval. Everyone else is angry about Trump, so you need to be EVEN ANGRIER about Trump to prove you get it! Ever since Trump was elected youve been perpetually whining about things that have either always been that way, or are not actually true and can be logically refuted. Yet you still repeat them over and over. Youre a complete bot.

Your user title says “Renaissance Man.” Seriously?? You arent anything CLOSE. You know nothing about art/culture, your science takes are just memorized Michio Kaku lines from 2005 episodes of The Universe... You dont have original thoughts or ideas about anything, all you do is repeat what you think will make you sound the smartest. You take mainstream dogma and just repeat it LOUDER so people will mistake you as having thought of it yourself. Youre the definition of a try-hard.

If you wanna do that with your hobbies and shit go ahead. But dont do it with poltics. Just shut the **** up about politics.

[bladefd]

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]How many past presidents do you think ran for the office as an altruistic gesture? The presidency is a career and ego move. Not a volunteer position. Youre just suddenly having a tantrum about this now that it

[ItsMillerTime]

You really are unhinged. I can respond to your post, but you are not even worth my time.

Fvcking Akrazotile of all people unironically called someone "the definition of a try-hard."

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Akrazotile]

Fvcking Akrazotile of all people unironically called someone "the definition of a try-hard."

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:


Every time I drop something incisive, you randomly show up and laugh nervously, like youre trying to keep from having a breakdown.

Truth bombs seem to cut uncomfortably close to home for impotent limp-wrists like you, no??

[Pointguard]

Powerful ending by Cummings. He is absolutely right. What the hell is all this? This partisanship is out of control and bleeding this country dry. You can do better, I can do better, we can all do better.

Truth absolutely matters and justice and accountability. It's not and should not be about party. It should be about upholding values and ensuring the future of democracy.
Did you hear that number today, 8,000 lies which is only about 9 a day - its not like it 40 a day.

How about the shameless Repubs that didn't ask 1 Trump question and only tried to make Cohen a democrat. Cohen wasn't there for that. They are reaching new lows. They are making a sham out of our tax dollars.

[dude77]

Did you hear that number today, 8,000 lies which is only about 9 a day - its not like it 40 a day.

How about the shameless Repubs that didn't ask 1 Trump question and only tried to make Cohen a democrat. Cohen wasn't there for that. They are reaching new lows. They are making a sham out of our tax dollars.


tf .. the only ones making a sham out of tax dollars are the people putting up this shitshow witch hunt just because they're pissed trump won

[Hawker]

And you are stuck in the rabbit hole of "defend Trump no matter what."

Get your head out of the sand and realize that you got played by a con-artist of a President, who lies so much that he can't even keep track of his lies.. Wake up.

And yeah, the term 'values' is broad. Nobody owns or determines the values of the entire nation, but there are some general values that we should support as a country.. Things like accountability, keeping peace, upholding justice & dignity, equality, human rights, opposing discrimination, protecting the environment, patriotism (but not nationalism), etc..

Dude you just keep repeating these dumb lines like, "ensure the values are held up" or "we have to save democracy."

It's just corny and lame. I'm not defending him but just saying you sound like a broken record.

"Democracy" is going to go on long after Trump. Chill.

Nationalism is fine btw...acting in the best interest of your country isn't really a bad thing.

[Hawker]

Did you hear that number today, 8,000 lies which is only about 9 a day - its not like it 40 a day.

How about the shameless Repubs that didn't ask 1 Trump question and only tried to make Cohen a democrat. Cohen wasn't there for that. They are reaching new lows. They are making a sham out of our tax dollars.

This hearing is a sham out of our tax dollars. The less questions asked by the republicans the shorter these are and the better.

[Hawker]

A few representatives out of how many total?

50+

Not a small number by any means. And it's increased year after year so it's not a straw man whatsoever. The ones you're holding onto are the Pelosi/Schumers/Feinnsteins of the world who are dying out.

[highwhey]

Fvcking Akrazotile of all people unironically called someone "the definition of a try-hard."

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
:roll: :roll:

[Pointguard]

This hearing is a sham out of our tax dollars. The less questions asked by the republicans the shorter these are and the better.

So they aren't there to investigate? Not even attempt. Why was the president lying about the meetings in Trump Towers? You don't think he gave Stormy hush money?

[MaxFly]

So pretending to be repentant, aka lying, is ok... and doesn't at all indicate that he would continue to lie to make himself look better or make his life better? Is that what you're saying?

My point is that he's STILL LYING.

You seem upset that he is lying about his state of repentance. I and most others are concerned as to whether he was telling the truth in the statements he made today and the documents he provided. Are those really Donald Trump and Donald Trump Jrs signatures on checks that furthered campaign finance crimes? Did Trump really speak with Roger Stone about Julian Assange? Was Trump made aware of the Trump Tower meeting by Don Jr. to get dirt on Hillary Clinton.

Cohen got caught as a result of his association with Trump. Cohen's name would not have popped up in the investigation had he not carried out an illegal scheme for Trump. I'm not concerned about why he is providing information on Trump now. I'm concerned as to the veracity of the information. Investigators, prosecutors and House members should do their due diligence in trying their best to verify the information he provides.


You can never 100% peer into another man's heart but he'd have to be the motherload of naivety and fear to make a change in his own life to not be lying about his own feelings towards the events over the years. The motherload. And given that it is extremely likely that he is lying about his repentance, I find it to be probable that he would say anything that he perceives will make his own life better, regardless of the validity, or truthfulness, if you will.

That doesn't mean that he's lying about everything or most things, any longer... only that he is still lying, and thus everything he says must be taken with a grain of salt as a result.

If he lied again before Congress today, I'm in full support of tacking on more prison time, but it wouldn't make sense to put himself in that kind of legal jeopardy again simply to tell lies that won't pan out. Snitches don't get reduced time for leading investigators and prosecutors on wild goose chases; any easing of prison time requires that their snitching lead to verifiable evidence in the prosecution of others.

It's like...


Defense Attorney: Mr. Carlozzi, the truth of the matter is that you're not sorry at all for your crimes and your role in Carmine Giovanni's mob syndicate, are you?!

Mr. Carlozzi: All I knows is that I helped Tony Four-Fingers get rid of those bodies. I ain't ask no questions. I'm sorry for my role in the organization.

Defense Attorney: Fine Mr. Carlozzi, but I'm not convinced that you are truly sorry. You're sorry that you got caught, and if you're lying about being sorry, how can we believe anything else you say?!

Mr. Carlozzi: We burried the bodies behind the St. Angelas. They dug them up.

Defense Attorney: That may be true, but your lack of true repentance could lead you to say anything to save your skin!! Isn't that what you're doing now??!!

Mr. Carlozzi: Tony used one of his old pieces. He buried it with the bodies but didn't wipe it completely. They says they found his fingerprints.

Defense Attorney: But are you truly sorry, Mr Carlozzi??!!!

...went no court room case ever.

[Lakers Legend#32]

ReThugs were fine with Cohen lying to protect Trump.

[MaxFly]

tf .. the only ones making a sham out of tax dollars are the people putting up this shitshow witch hunt just because they're pissed trump won

We're still calling this a witch hunt with Manafort, Cohen, Gates, Flynn, Papadopolous, Butina, Pinedo and more headed to jail? The Trump Foundation was shut down as a result of this investigation. Manafort's ill gotten gains are almost single-handedly funding the investigation. This witch hunt has been pretty efficient at finding witches. :oldlol:

[Rocket]

That's a straw-man argument. The platform of Democrats is not socialism, open borders, "business is bad," widespread support for late stage abortion, etc. Many members may support some of the things, but it's not a majority all or some or many of those things.
I guess you are not paying much attention to the shit show lining up for the 2020 election on the left.

[Akrazotile]

I guess you are not paying much attention to the shit show lining up for the 2020 election on the left.


Two DNC establishment Big Tymerz (either one of which bladefd will undoubtedly vote for if they win the nom) are literally talking about SLAVERY REPARATIONS as part of their campaigns.

And this dude thinks Trump talking about a border wall was political pandering :lol

[bladefd]

Dude you just keep repeating these dumb lines like, "ensure the values are held up" or "we have to save democracy."

It's just corny and lame. I'm not defending him but just saying you sound like a broken record.

"Democracy" is going to go on long after Trump. Chill.

Nationalism is fine btw...acting in the best interest of your country isn't really a bad thing.

Not specifically about Trump but the partisanship and divisions (lack of unity). That is anything but democratic.

Nationalism and patriotism are different.
Nationalism means you support everything about your country no matter what and no matter what injustice may or may not happen. Patriotism means you love your country but you don't have to like everything that goes on and you are welcome to criticize. The former is a situation that you don't want to be in especially for a democratic nation with freedoms like freedom of press, speech, etc..

[bladefd]

I guess you are not paying much attention to the shit show lining up for the 2020 election on the left.

Sure I am paying attention. I still don't see all of those things in the party that Six cited. Some, yes but it varies by candidates.

I don't see call for open borders and nobody is saying business is bad. AOC and Bernie has call for high taxes at the highest tax bracket, but certainly no anti-business stance. AOC is not running for president. Who else?

[Kblaze8855]

I just want to know how Trump being president impacts future moral/legal arguments about politicians. Are republicans gonna have the next democrat with criminal snitches giving up all their dirty info in front of congress and treat the snitch like a lying traitor not to listen to? I suspect not. But clearly the standards have to be lowered.

If Trump is the new standard....who is a bridge too far to take serious? Id like someone to get an answer from these people about why so many people are in jail over lying criminal snitch testimony when its apparently not worth listening to. The president says:


"This whole thing about flipping, they call it, I know all about flipping. Thirty, 40 years, I have been watching flippers. Everything is wonderful and then they get 10 years in jail and they flip on whoever the next highest one is, or as high as you can go. It almost ought to be outlawed," Trump said in an interview that was taped Wednesday and aired Thursday morning. "It's not fair."


Thats from the guy in charge of the same justice department that has 80% of its federa, warrants rely solely on an informant? It went from 24% in the 70s to 71% in 1993...and just keeps going up because its the only way most of the time.

Criminals flipping is literally the reason millions are in jail.

How does the party of law and order sit here and act like snitches who spent a career lying to the law till they were facing time now cant be trusted?

Some AGs need to be asked about it on the record.

The Trump defense would free up most of our prison cells. Im generally anti snitching...I feel like you shouldnt be in the game if you cant do your time like a man. But the government...the guy who appoints the head of the justice department and federal agencies? If hes anti flipping....why is everyone still going to jail behind snitch testimony?

[Kblaze8855]

I will say in Trumps defense though....

I dont see how your lawyer should be able to testify against you to anyone. Even congress. If your lawyer flips....how many people are ****ed?

Im not even sure how thats constitutional. A lawyers testimony should in my opinion be inadmissible....but this isnt exactly a courtroom situation is it?

Seems like shaky ground at the very least.

Its funny it happens to him....but that doesnt make it right. Any politician who has their lawyer/fixer give up all he ever said and did would be right to be pissed. Whats the point of attorney client privilege at that point? This goes past left or right.

Thats just low. Not like we are talking a child predator or something. That I could get. Trumps clearly shady and a liar...and apparently racist...and some degree of criminal. But hes not doing anything id say justifies his lawyer being able to testify against him.

A lawyer being able to give you up is dangerous precedent to set for non violent crimes.

[Loco 50]

I will say in Trumps defense though....

I dont see how your lawyer should be able to testify against you to anyone. Even congress. If your lawyer flips....how many people are ****ed?

Im not even sure how thats constitutional. A lawyers testimony should in my opinion be inadmissible....but this isnt exactly a courtroom situation is it?

Seems like shaky ground at the very least.

Its funny it happens to him....but that doesnt make it right. Any politician who has their lawyer/fixer give up all he ever said and did would be right to be pissed. Whats the point of attorney client privilege at that point? This goes past left or right.

Thats just low. Not like we are talking a child predator or something. That I could get. Trumps clearly shady and a liar...and apparently racist...and some degree of criminal. But hes not doing anything id say justifies his lawyer being able to testify against him.

A lawyer being able to give you up is dangerous precedent to set for non violent crimes.
Disagree, in a normal situation you don't have to worry about your lawyer flipping on you because said lawyer won't be committing crimes on your behalf.

They are reaping what they have sowed and every bit is fully deserved.

[MaxFly]

How does the party of law and order sit here and act like snitches who spent a career lying to the law till they were facing time now cant be trusted?

Because it's convenient until it's not. Look, they'll utilize any talking point they can in their endeavor to establish the narrative most beneficial to their goals. It's not a new tactic. Dems do it quite a lot as well, but Republicans have a special knack for propaganda.


I dont see how your lawyer should be able to testify against you to anyone. Even congress. If your lawyer flips....how many people are ****ed?

Im not even sure how thats constitutional. A lawyers testimony should in my opinion be inadmissible....but this isnt exactly a courtroom situation is it?

Seems like shaky ground at the very least.

There are laws granting the protection of prividedged infromation between lawyers and clients, and they are pretty far-reaching. If a lawyer breaches attorney-client privilege without their client's approval, they can be heavily sued, fined and disbarred; it's a serious offense.

However, attorney-client privilege does not extend to an attorney's aid in the commission of a crime, and in most cases, their foreknowledge of the commission of a crime. In the first instance, they legally become an assessory or can be found to be aiding and abetting. In the second instance, the crime-fraud exception to attorney-client privilege kicks in if the attorney knew about the crime in advance or there was intention to cover up a crime in advance.

The funny thing about Cohen is that the only reason he is in this mess is because he was Trump's fixer... someone who addressed legal matters for him while often using extra-legal tactics. The scutiny Trump received fell to him and now here were are. If feels slimy to see a lawyer squealing on his boss, but Cohen is being treated as an assessory given his foreknowledge of crimes and his participation in them. :confusedshrug:

[Pointguard]

I will say in Trumps defense though....

I dont see how your lawyer should be able to testify against you to anyone. Even congress. If your lawyer flips....how many people are ****ed?

Im not even sure how thats constitutional. A lawyers testimony should in my opinion be inadmissible....but this isnt exactly a courtroom situation is it?

Seems like shaky ground at the very least.

Its funny it happens to him....but that doesnt make it right. Any politician who has their lawyer/fixer give up all he ever said and did would be right to be pissed. Whats the point of attorney client privilege at that point? This goes past left or right.



Thats just low. Not like we are talking a child predator or something. That I could get. Trumps clearly shady and a liar...and apparently racist...and some degree of criminal. But hes not doing anything id say justifies his lawyer being able to testify against him.

A lawyer being able to give you up is dangerous precedent to set for non violent crimes.

I think you overlooked the undermining democracy and working a hostile foreign nation to do it. Especially one that was being cyber attacking the US when they worked with them. Also he's doing time because of Trump's intent and not his own.

[Kblaze8855]

Im aware of the legal issue but lets be for real. Lawyers break the law for their clients all day every day. A lawyer cant tell you to destroy evidence....a lawyer cant put someone on the stand to lie. Happens every day. Especially with a personal lawyer looking out for your widespread interests. If you really went after the lawyers and flipped them into giving you unrelated but damaging information?

Hes not even talking about the law or crimes in many cases. Is Trump a racist? Sure. But what is the legal relevance at the moment? Your lawyer takes legal advice and personal conversations and tells the world?

Forget Trump. This isnt about him. This just seems like a breach of the principle. Its bad enough with your criminal cohorts who were cool till the heat was on start snitching as if they are better than you. But your lawyer?

Your LAWYER? If there is one person who shouldnt be able to flip its the lawyer. Especially to tell about unrelated acts. Your lawyer knows you are a child molester....fine. Go get the guy. **** principle. Your lawyer tells about some shady corporate shit and sits down with congress to tell the world about non legal matters you discussed in private to paint a bad picture of you?

Eh.

Just feels like that shouldnt be a concern. You shouldnt be a criminal....sure. Fine. But once you are....the one guy you shouldnt have to see on the stand is your damn lawyer you know?

Just feels grimy.

[MaxFly]

I hear you, but lawyers breaking the law all the time in favor of their clients and getting away with it fortunately doesn't have much bearing on what happens on occasions when they do get caught.

The specific issue with Trump and Cohen is that Cohen pretty much kept silent about Trump until Trump and fam started disparaging him publicly. When you employ your lawyer to do all sorts of shady business in your favor to the point where he finds himself in legal jeopardy, you should disparage him at your own peril. That seems to be what got Cohen to start spilling on all things, including unrelated acts. He saw that they were going to throw him under the bus. As @Pointguard said, he was getting ready to do time for crimes he committed to benefit Trump and not himself, and then Trump starts distancing himself and pretending that Cohen did everything all on his own... yeah... disloyalty begets disloyalty.

[Kblaze8855]

That

[Facepalm]

And when they do, Trump will win the Nobel Peace Prize, the 2020 Election, and Time Magazine's Person of the Year.


I only have one question for you at that point.



Whatcha gonna do??


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No NK deal, No wall, No Nobel Prize

Whatcha gonna do??

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[Loco 50]

Your LAWYER? If there is one person who shouldnt be able to flip its the lawyer. Especially to tell about unrelated acts. Your lawyer knows you are a child molester....fine. Go get the guy. **** principle. Your lawyer tells about some shady corporate shit and sits down with congress to tell the world about non legal matters you discussed in private to paint a bad picture of you?

Eh.

Just feels like that shouldnt be a concern. You shouldnt be a criminal....sure. Fine. But once you are....the one guy you shouldnt have to see on the stand is your damn lawyer you know?

Just feels grimy.
Again, these aren't normal circumstances. A clever lawyer is not breaking the law for his client. He'll skirt it, that's what good lawyers are expert at. You can hint at stuff and get things done, although truth be told, subtlety would be missed by our main character.

Smart lawyers don't ask questions they don't want answers to and don't want to know about your unrelated criminal affairs. Can't lie about something you don't know about. Sure as fvck wouldn't want to know about some history with child molestation or something of that ilk that would make it harder to represent his client. The above is for shady defense lawyers though. The no scruples type. A legit lawyer will want knowledge of everything and straight up tell you he won't or can't represent you if he hears something morally conflicting that would hinder his ability to do his job.

A lawyer that gets down in the dirt? Stupid, or a poor lawyer, probably both. Why risk a lucrative, promising career that you worked years for? Went into massive debt for. Suffered for. He knows Trump has lived a life time throwing people under the bus, not paying them, screwing them over in some fashion. Ha, Cohen's the guy that helped him do much of it! Nobody knows better than Cohen that Trump is a conman. It's his only real gift.

Trump has enough money to compartmentalize his affairs, but he's cheap, stupid and lazy. You've got your people for dirt and you've got your people for legit affairs, you don't mix 'em. You don't let someone that had as public a persona as Cohen be involved in so much dirt either. It's messy.

Trump and Cohen were asking for trouble for years. Threatening people publicly? Screwing people over? They became notorious. They got away with it for so many years though, and got sloppier and sloppier. Funny that it took the spotlight of the presidency for this stuff to really come out though.

Bottomline, someone in Trump's situation has to two options with Cohen A.) Treat him like royalty, like f'n family, talk him up make sure he knows how much you love and appreciate him or B.) make sure he can't talk, period. Trump wasn't smart enough to do either.

Answering your hypothetical. I'm a criminal. I do criminal things. My lawyer does not get his hands dirty. I have other people I can pay for that. Nobody that you pay to do dirt should know, or more importantly have proof of your other dirt. They should only know rumors. Compartmentalization.

These people are dumb. No sympathy.

[NumberSix]

However, attorney-client privilege does not extend to an attorney's aid in the commission of a crime, and in most cases, their foreknowledge of the commission of a crime.
Why do you have a lawyer in the first place? To advise you about what you can and can

[NumberSix]

We're still calling this a witch hunt
Because it is a witch hunt.

[SomeBlackDude]

No NK deal, No wall, No Nobel Prize

Whatcha gonna do??

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FlawlessEasygoingGnu-small.gif

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2009/11/18/1225799/294155-dtstory-hulkmania.jpg

[QUOTE]Why do you have a lawyer in the first place? To advise you about what you can and can

[bladefd]

I hear you, but lawyers breaking the law all the time in favor of their clients and getting away with it fortunately doesn't have much bearing on what happens on occasions when they do get caught.

The specific issue with Trump and Cohen is that Cohen pretty much kept silent about Trump until Trump and fam started disparaging him publicly. When you employ your lawyer to do all sorts of shady business in your favor to the point where he finds himself in legal jeopardy, you should disparage him at your own peril. That seems to be what got Cohen to start spilling on all things, including unrelated acts. He saw that they were going to throw him under the bus. As @Pointguard said, he was getting ready to do time for crimes he committed to benefit Trump and not himself, and then Trump starts distancing himself and pretending that Cohen did everything all on his own... yeah... disloyalty begets disloyalty.

When you use your knowledge of the law illegally for the benefit of your boss to damage others and/or take advantage of them, attorney-client privilege goes out the window just like doctor-client privilege. It's essentially a contract between the attorney and client, but the contract cannot be used to do crimes - it essentially voids the contract if you use it illegally.

[QUOTE]The attorney-client privilege protects most communications between clients and their lawyers. But, [B]according to the crime-fraud exception to the privilege, a client

[bladefd]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Why do you have a lawyer in the first place? To advise you about what you can and can

[SomeBlackDude]

Commit crimes on your behalf? No.

people are really struggling with the simple concept of crimes being illegal.

attorney-client privilege goes out the window if you and your lawyer are conspiring to rob a bank or commit a murder.

really not that difficult a concept to grasp.

at least one would think.

clearly- one would be wrong.

maga.

[rufuspaul]

people are really struggling with the simple concept of crimes being illegal.




8 years of the Clintons in the White House made all that shit one big gray area.

[SomeBlackDude]

8 years of the Clintons in the White House made all that shit one big gray area.

litrally decades and millions of dollars were spent trying to catch billary riding dirty.

all they got was bill lying about a blowjob.

this witch hunt doe...

and the meter's still running. :eek:

[NumberSix]

When you use your knowledge of the law illegally for the benefit of your boss to damage others and/or take advantage of them, attorney-client privilege goes out the window just like doctor-client privilege.
No, it doesn

[NumberSix]

litrally decades and millions of dollars were spent trying to catch billary riding dirty.

all they got was bill lying about a blowjob.

this witch hunt doe...

and the meter's still running. :eek:
Actually, they got him on felony perjury and obstruction.

[SomeBlackDude]

Actually, they got him on felony perjury and obstruction.

blowjob.

[Kblaze8855]

Because it is a witch hunt.


Except nobody ever found a witch. These people are actually doing dirt.

Trump doesnt have to be convicted to be dirty. Nobody does. A great many people are guilty of more than anyone is gonna prove in court. They couldnt even get Al Capone on anything but tax evasion. Its always gonna be hard to prove who did what...and people like Cohen who act as a shield are one reason why.

[bladefd]

No, it doesn’t. Attorney client privilege belongs to the client, not the attorney. The attorney doing something illegal or even criminal does not void attorney client privilege. Attorney client privilege can only be voided by criminality, not merely illegality, by the client.


according to the crime-fraud exception to the privilege, a client’s communication to her attorney isn’t privileged if she made it with the intention of committing or covering up a crime or fraud.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13616176&postcount=78

If attorney does something criminal under orders from his client, it breaks the privilege. Yes, doing something illegal is criminal.

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Why do you have a lawyer in the first place? To advise you about what you can and can

[NumberSix]

Except nobody ever found a witch. These people are actually doing dirt.

Trump doesnt have to be convicted to be dirty. Nobody does. A great many people are guilty of more than anyone is gonna prove in court. They couldnt even get Al Capone on anything but tax evasion. Its always gonna be hard to prove who did what...and people like Cohen who act as a shield are one reason why.
You know why it

[MaxFly]

8 years of the Clintons in the White House made all that shit one big gray area.

So it wasn't Iran-Contra or Watergate... it was the Clintons... :oldlol:

[Kblaze8855]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]You know why it

[NumberSix]

Cohen was a terrible lawyer, no doubt about it. However, one specific thing stands out. When Trump, through Cohen, was getting ready to buy the Karen McDougal story from AMI, Pecker and company decided not to go through with the sale on the advice of counsel and the concern that they would lose plausible deniability in any campaign finance related inquiries. They told Cohen who relayed it to Trump. Trump was made aware of the legal issues. At the beginning, he said it never happened; then he said he was never involved; and now he's going to probably say that he was involved, but didn't know it was illegal. I guess we can continue to follow the progression of lies until we get to the truth, but it doesn't stop at him not knowing it was illegal.
You have a habit of taking things you think are probably true and stating them as facts.

I understand that you think it’s probably true that Cohen told Trump there are campaign finance issues with buying ‘catch and kill’ stories, but you’re not basing that on any facts.

And your Karen McDougal story is not at all what Cohen said yesterday under oath. Now, is it possible Cohen lied under oath again? Sure.

Under oath yesterday Cohen said that Trump decided not to buy the Karen McDougal story and that Pecker was very upset about this. He did not say that AMI stopped the deal or that there was some campaign finance concern.

Starts at 2:40 https://youtube.com/watch?v=BKhtfu9i2J8

So this idea that AMI shut off the deal due to campaign finance concerns and then Cohen relayed that to Trump is based on no facts.

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]No, it doesn

[MaxFly]

Well I was quite sure you didnt literally mean they were looking for a witch.

They were looking for a criminal. Criminals do exist. And they keep finding them. Which is why I dont see how you consider it a witch hunt.

You never actually find a witch.

They find criminals.

The fact that you have to even explain this, though... :facepalm

[bladefd]

Cohen was a terrible lawyer, no doubt about it. However, one specific thing stands out. When Trump, through Cohen, was getting ready to buy the Karen McDougal story from AMI, Pecker and company decided not to go through with the sale on the advice of counsel and the concern that they would lose plausible deniability in any campaign finance related inquiries. They told Cohen who relayed it to Trump. Trump was made aware of the legal issues. At the beginning, he said it never happened; then he said he was never involved; and now he's going to probably say that he was involved, but didn't know it was illegal. I guess we can continue to follow the progression of lies until we get to the truth, but it doesn't stop at him not knowing it was illegal.

He will probably say he was involved but wasn't told it was illegal by his lawyers to pass the blame on them. If they testify that they told him then he will change the narrative again to some other lie, such as he misunderstood or they were not clear.

He keeps lying and changing his narrative as more information comes out, yet the Republicans in Congress keep defending/protecting him. This is why impeachment can't succeed if Mueller's report is damning - it won't get past Senate Republicans. Only way it can succeed is with a huge public outcry. Then perhaps enough Congress Republicans will flip on Trump to protect themselves in their respective district, but even that is not a guarantee due to the partisanship.

[NumberSix]

Attorney-client privilege can be voided in many states if a client asks their attorney to do something illegal.
Wrong.

A client asks an attorney to do something illegal and then

A) the attorney informs the client that what he is asking would be illegal and the client backs off the request now that he knows it

[NumberSix]

Well I was quite sure you didnt literally mean they were looking for a witch.

They were looking for a criminal. Criminals do exist. And they keep finding them. Which is why I dont see how you consider it a witch hunt.

You never actually find a witch.

They find criminals.
No, they’re weren’t looking for “a criminal”. They were looking for ‘Russian collusion’

In this witch hunt metaphor ‘Russian collusion’ is the witch.

In your hunt for Russian collusion, you might find some tax evaders, fraudsters and perjurers along the way but you won’t find Russian collusion, because it’s not a real thing.

That is why looking for Russian collusion is a witch hunt. Because, like witches, Russian collusion isn’t real.

[bladefd]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Wrong.

A client asks an attorney to do something illegal and then

A) the attorney informs the client that what he is asking would be illegal and the client backs off the request now that he knows it

[NumberSix]

What about:

the client orders for something illegal then the attorney goes through with it. The client afterwards expects attorney-client to still apply to hide the crime after the fact.

Tell me, Six, does that void the privilege to hide a crime or not?
You’re using the word ‘crime’ and illegal interchangeably when they’re not. There is a difference between doing something illegal and committing a crime. Not all illegal acts are crimes.

And your phrase “hide the crime” is way too vague to give any kind of response. Hide it how? By murdering witnesses? Forging documents? Lying under oath? Pleading the 5th? Not divulging privileged information?

[MaxFly]

You have a habit of taking things you think are probably true and stating them as facts.

I understand that you think it’s probably true that Cohen told Trump there are campaign finance issues with buying ‘catch and kill’ stories, but you’re not basing that on any facts.

And you’re Karen McDougal story is not at all what Cohen said yesterday under oath. Now, is it possible Cohen lied under oath again? Sure.

Under oath yesterday Cohen said that Trump decided not to buy the Karen McDougal story and that Pecker was very upset about this. He did not say that AMI stopped the deal or that there was some campaign finance concern.

Starts at 2:40 https://youtube.com/watch?v=BKhtfu9i2J8

So this idea that AMI shut off the deal due to campaign finance concerns and then Cohen relayed that to Trump is based on no facts.

From the Wall Street Journal.


Concerned Mr. Pecker might leave American Media, Mr. Cohen wanted to buy other materials the company had gathered on Mr. Trump over the years, including source files and tips. In a meeting at the Trump Organization offices in early September, Mr. Cohen told Mr. Trump of his plan.

Mr. Cohen, who complained to associates about Mr. Trump’s frugality, was also worried his boss would balk at reimbursing Mr. Pecker. He secretly recorded Mr. Trump discussing the deal.

“Um, I need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend, David, you know, so that—I’m going to do that right away,” said Mr. Cohen, according to a copy of the audio file.

As Mr. Cohen explained his plans, Mr. Trump spoke over him: “So, what are we gonna pay…One-fifty?” Mr. Trump asked. Mr. Cohen paused and replied, “Yes.”

Mr. Cohen said he would be getting “all the stuff,” meaning the other files on Mr. Trump he had been seeking. They discussed the uncertainty about what might become of the files if Mr. Pecker no longer ran American Media. “Yeah, I was thinking about that,” Mr. Trump said. “Maybe he gets hit by a truck.”

Messrs. Pecker and Cohen signed a contract for the transfer of the McDougal story in late September. Mr. Cohen set up a shell company in Delaware for the transaction on Sept. 30.

The publisher would assign the rights to Ms. McDougal’s story to Mr. Cohen for $125,000—the value they put on Ms. McDougal’s agreement with American Media minus the magazine covers and fitness columns, the rights to which the publisher would retain.

Mr. Pecker called off the Trump-reimbursement deal in October 2016 on the advice of his lawyer. Accepting reimbursement from Mr. Trump, the executive worried, could undermine any argument that the McDougal payment was made for editorial and business reasons, rather than as an in-kind campaign contribution.

Mr. Pecker told Mr. Cohen to tear up the reimbursement agreement, but Mr. Cohen kept a copy. Federal agents found it in a search of Mr. Cohen’s office earlier this year.


Sounds like Cohen conflated the McDougal payment with the purchase of other stories that they had squashed over the years. Pecker was also to sell them all of the other stories, but that deal never went through either. The contract that was found was specifically for the McDougal payment.

[Facepalm]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]No, they

[NumberSix]

From the Wall Street Journal.



Sounds like Cohen conflated the McDougal payment with the purchase of other stories that they had squashed over the years.
He explicitly said the Karen McDogal story.

Again, it

[bladefd]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]You

[Kblaze8855]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]No, they

[NumberSix]

If police have a warrant to search your house for drugs an they see a dead body in the living room, they don't ignore the body. The investigators go where the evidence leads them, it's not a witch a witch Hunt
Yes, it’s possible to find real crimes in a search for fake crimes. If you opened an investigation into whether Barack Obama is a secret member of ISIS, you might bust him for parking violations or jay walking while investing him.

[Kblaze8855]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]You

[Akrazotile]

Funny thing is the amount of leftards who complain about having a “reality tv star” for a president, and are now glued to this Russiagate witch hunt BECAUSE IT’S REALITY TELEVISION.

Try and speak intelligently with klblaze, maxfly, bladefd, loco, facepalm about complex, fluid issues like economics, immigration, social contract etc and you get strawmen, huffing and puffing, rambling, and pretentious drivel with NO substance.

Yet theyre glued to this Trump reality drama, gossiping and speculating about the next twists and turns like some hens watching the bachelor.

All chanting in unison “Orange Man Bad! Orange Man Bad!”


Average, low IQ America.


Funny thing is, to a man, each of these guys will tell you they are contemplative individuals who care about what matters in this country.


:roll:

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Wrong.

A client asks an attorney to do something illegal and then

A) the attorney informs the client that what he is asking would be illegal and the client backs off the request now that he knows it

[NumberSix]

Tell me a few illegal acts that are not considered a crime.
Well, besides infractions and misdemeanors like jay walking or littering...

Many crimes require intent to knowingly and willfully break the law. For example, campaign finance violations.

There are literally hundreds of thousands of federal laws. Obviously, nobody knows what all the laws are. For that reason, it’s common sense that from time to time, people are going to unknowingly break laws. That being the case, obscure laws often require intent, because you can’t reasonably expect the average person to be aware of all these laws.

[Loco 50]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Well, besides infractions and misdemeanors like jay walking or littering...

Many crimes require intent to knowingly and willfully break the law. For example, campaign finance violations.

There are literally hundreds of thousands of federal laws. Obviously, nobody knows what all the laws are. For that reason, it

[bladefd]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Well, besides infractions and misdemeanors like jay walking or littering...

Many crimes require intent to knowingly and willfully break the law. For example, campaign finance violations.

There are literally hundreds of thousands of federal laws. Obviously, nobody knows what all the laws are. For that reason, it

[Facepalm]

Funny thing is the amount of leftards who complain about having a “reality tv star” for a president, and are now glued to this Russiagate witch hunt BECAUSE IT’S REALITY TELEVISION.

Try and speak intelligently with klblaze, maxfly, bladefd, loco, facepalm about complex, fluid issues like economics, immigration, social contract etc and you get strawmen, huffing and puffing, rambling, and pretentious drivel with NO substance.

Yet theyre glued to this Trump reality drama, gossiping and speculating about the next twists and turns like some hens watching the bachelor.

All chanting in unison “Orange Man Bad! Orange Man Bad!”


Average, low IQ America.


Funny thing is, to a man, each of these guys will tell you they are contemplative individuals who care about what matters in this country.


:roll:

And yet you have as many comments on the matter as anyone else :oldlol:

[Akrazotile]

And yet you have as many comments on the matter as anyone else :oldlol:


Except Im not glued to the proceedings lusting hungrily for Orange blood (nor glued to them at all). This thread has been at the top of the board for two days, so Ive opened it a couple times against my better judgement. And yes, seeing the same old disingenuous shmucks yapping about the latest drama in this installment of “Jerry Springer with a Political Twist” did compel me to bemoan what a hopeless ship of fools the general public is. These dudes sound like some girls having a PJ party, eating popcorn and watching trashy movies. And theyre the ones who COMPLAIN about Trump lacking seriousness about the office of president blah blah.

This is the typical voter. If Trump isnt qualified to be prez bc he was reality tv star, how tf are THESE idiots any more qualified to vote? Complaining about Trump’s reality tv background, when phony, meaningless “reality” drama is all these shameless untermenschen pay attention to.


Okay? So EXCUSE ME for noticing :crazysam:

[diamenz]

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]Except Im not glued to the proceedings lusting hungrily for Orange blood (nor glued to them at all). This thread has been at the top of the board for two days, so Ive opened it a couple times against my better judgement. And yes, seeing the same old disingenuous shmucks yapping about the latest drama in this installment of

[Facepalm]

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]Except Im not glued to the proceedings lusting hungrily for Orange blood (nor glued to them at all). This thread has been at the top of the board for two days, so Ive opened it a couple times against my better judgement. And yes, seeing the same old disingenuous shmucks yapping about the latest drama in this installment of

[NumberSix]

All considered crimes by our rule of law but not all crimes are equal obviously and sometimes vary by state and/or country. Jaywalking is extremely minor and cops usually overlook but still illegal by our laws.

Good luck convincing a cop who comes up to you to fine you for jaywalking and telling them "But officer I only did something illegal. It's not a crime!!"

:roll:
:facepalm

Again, certain crimes require that you actually know that you

[SomeBlackDude]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]:facepalm

Again, certain crimes require that you actually know that you

[NumberSix]

[QUOTE=SomeBlackDude][URL="https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/422231-don-lemon-shows-1999-clip-of-trump-saying-nobody-knows-more-about"][B]Speaking with host Larry King, in

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]He explicitly said the Karen McDogal story.

Again, it

[SomeBlackDude]

Some more Trump quotes

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[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Yes, it

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=SomeBlackDude]
[QUOTE]Brett Kappel is an election-law lawyer at Akerman LLP cited in the WSJ

[NumberSix]

David Pecker's counsel told Pecker not go ahead with the sale because of the legal issues associated with it.
According to who? Media reports?

Why are you still running with this story? There’s nothing to suggest that this version of events ever happened. According to Cohen, Trump is the one who decided not to do the deal.

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According to who? Media reports?

Why are you still running with this story? There’s nothing to suggest that this version of events ever happened. According to Cohen, Trump is the one who decided not to do the deal.

Apparently according to David Pecker. Pecker and his people were the source of this version of events. But you know what, they should get David Pecker to testify publically under oath about this and his other dealings with Trump... and clear up any inconsistencies. Cohen said as much during his testimony. It would be good to hear how many stories Pecker has caught and killed for Trump, what kinds of stories he has caught and killed for Trump, and whether AMI's work on the Karen McDougal story was simply part of their normal course of business or part of Pecker's desire and effort to aid the Trump campaign as he personally promised to Trump. And we could get to the bottom of why the Karen McDougal deal fell apart.

Again, it sounds like Cohen has conflated the two payments: those for all the stories Pecker and AMI had caught and killed, and the individual payment for Karen McDougal story. It's cute that you're picking and choosing when to believe Cohen. One minute, you're calling Cohen's a liar who can't be trusted, and the next, you're leaning on "but Cohen said!" On the other hand, I want to corroborate everything he said... let's call more individuals to openly testify in order to make sure he wasn't lying to Congress again. :cheers:

[SomeBlackDude]

Perhaps he intentionally lied in the affidavit? What's the penalty for that again?

as a google law expert, i can confidently say that our gawd emperor is f*cked either way.


In an affidavit, you swear under penalty of perjury that the facts you set out in the document are true to the best of your knowledge. Lying in an affidavit is the same as lying in court testimony, and it constitutes a crime called perjury.


The word 'affidavit' refers to a document that you sign under oath, verifying that the information provided is true. You then file it with the court. If you intentionally lie on an affidavit, the lie can be considered perjury, which is a serious crime.

so either he committed perjury by lying in an affidavit/sworn statement(s) about his knowledge of campaign finance law or he knowingly committed campaign finance violations.


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[NumberSix]

Apparently according to David Pecker. Pecker and his people were the source of this version of events.
Only according to a media report. We

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Only according to a media report. We

[NumberSix]

So let's get Pecker in to testify. The media reports imply that their sourcing is from he and his lawyers. I'm sure he can clear matters up.
For what purpose? You think it’s appropriate for the United States congress to drag some citizen in front of a panel to badger him about whether a f*cking media report is true?

This is what wrong with you lefties. You’re willing to throw all standards away for short term ends. Like, I actually believe you’d be totally cool with the government breaking into someone’s house and planting a bug just so they could spy on them for something that isn’t even illegal if that person happened to be a political enemy of yours.

You know there’s an ACTUAL investigation of this, right? Whatever the real story is, the SDNY has it. This is not a secret or something. The ACTUAL investigators are on the case here.

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For what purpose? You think it’s appropriate for the United States congress to drag some citizen in front of a panel to badger him about whether a f*cking media report is true?

This is what wrong with you lefties. You’re willing to throw all standards away for short term ends. Like, I actually believe you’d be totally cool with the government breaking into someone’s house and planting a bug just so they could spy on them for something that isn’t even illegal if that person happened to be a political enemy of yours.

You know there’s an ACTUAL investigation of this, right? Whatever the real story is, the SDNY has it. This is not a secret or something. The ACTUAL investigators are on the case here.

Are you daft? Michael Cohen gave open testimony before Congress on Wednesday. You have said that he is a liar and can't be trusted. You've also intimated that he lied during his testimony on Wednesday. We now have an account that is at dispute between what we believe Pecker and his lawyers have said and what Cohen said on Wednesday. Pecker should be brought in to formally corroborate Michael Cohen's account of this particular issue and his general efforts to help Trump or to correct the record. His testimony would be especially instructive in regards to why the McDougal deal between him and Trump did not go through and whether he had any further communication with Trump about it after, according to accounts that intimate him as the source, his lawyers told him not to go ahead with the deal due to legal liability.

We know Trump has lied about his involvement in all of this. He said he knew nothing about any of it, and then we heard him on tape. His story has changed quite a bit. We can't get him before congress, so it's important to get the people he dealt with in.

In your previous post, you said...

We’ve seen nobody make this claim under oath or any court filings acknowledging that this claim was ever made.
...but when we say, "Sure, let's see what he has to say under oath," you're aghast with faux outrage. You're all over the place... come off it.

This isn't some random citizen. This is an individual who directed his company to make what amounted to an illegal campaign contribution to the Trump campaign, and who wanted to enter into a scheme with Trump and his people to get reimbursed. It's amusing to hear anyone complain about run away panels and hearings. There were few complaints after the first 2 or 3 Benghazi investigations and committees, but you guys had no issue with the 7 or 8 different investigations, committees, panels and reports we ended up getting. Suddenly you're concerned. Suddenly you're all :rant

Stick. To. A. Narrative.

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Must be extremely frustrating to investigate a pathological liar of a president in the white house with the powers that he has. He can keep lying over and over again since he is not under oath unless if he is impeached, which could be hell to do without an obvious smoking gun. I feel like this may be the toughest sort of investigation anyone can do. No wonder these types of investigations take so long to do.

[highwhey]

number6 getting absolutely destroyed in this thread, page after page. ouch :roll:

[NumberSix]

Are you daft? Michael Cohen gave open testimony before Congress on Wednesday. You have said that he is a liar and can't be trusted. You've also intimated that he lied during his testimony on Wednesday. We now have an account that is at dispute between what we believe Pecker and his lawyers have said and what Cohen said on Wednesday. Pecker should be brought in to formally corroborate Michael Cohen's account of this particular issue and his general efforts to help Trump or to correct the record.

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[MaxFly]

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