Trolling aside: He's no GOAT...There's no defending him

[k0kakw0rld]

He is still better than Kobe though :D

But nah he's no GOAT. Not even close I am sorry, and for many reasons.

How you gonna choke 2 fts against the Suns? :biggums: With the season on the line.

He's my guy but all the Letards need to accept reality. Your guy is lacking a lot in his game, especially the "Clutch gene".

I just decided to be fair and objective. Try it sometimes, it helps. :cheers:

[And1AllDay]

But then if he made the free throws he is GOAT tho :confusedshrug:

So your basis is two free throws okay m8

[Mr. Jabbar]

kobe > lebron

ship sailed away in 2011 sailor... get a grip

[NBASTATMAN]

He is still better than Kobe though :D

But nah he's no GOAT. Not even close I am sorry, and for many reasons.

How you gonna choke 2 fts against the Suns? :biggums: With the season on the line.

He's my guy but all the Letards need to accept reality. Your guy is lacking a lot in his game, especially the "Clutch gene".

I just decided to be fair and objective. Try it sometimes, it helps. :cheers:


I AGREE.. I have always stated that Lebron would be up there with MJ but his free throws are just SHAQ LIKE at this point.. They never were great but they were much better than current bron..

They would have lost the game anyway but missing both is not excusable..

As for the team it seems they need to keep Mcgee out there .. They are getting killed by bigs but they also need Rondo to help with ball handling and facilitating.. Lance and Lonzo are sorely missed at this point..

And ZUBAC IS BIG TIME MISSED.. He is avg almost 9 pts and 9 rebounds for THE CLIPS in 18 minutes.. HOW BAD WAS THAT TRADE BY MAGIC????
:oldlol:

[And1AllDay]

kobe > lebron

ship sailed away in 2011 sailor... get a grip

:no:

LBJ
Kobe
Magic
Shaq
Kareem
Mike

My top 6

[k0kakw0rld]

But then if he made the free throws he is GOAT tho :confusedshrug:

So your basis is two free throws okay m8
It's not just the free throw.

It's also the inability to score against Kelly Oubre in the post.

It's also the passive aggressive when his sense of urgency should be at the highest. I don't think he understands that Lakers fans will crucify him? He doesn't understand that all the claims he's been making about himself, are on the line.

Claims like: "That made me the greatest of all time" :facepalm

Well, you about to confirm what everybody was saying about you. Dominated a shitty eastern conference but he's not capable of even getting that 8th seed in the western conference.

[kennethgriffen]

sorry but no way is a perimeter player that shoots 60% free throws better than kobe

especially one that cant play defense or make the playoffs in the west with a more than capable roster

lebron has zero accomplishments without a ton of asterisks

this season destroyed lebrons phoney legacy

[kennethgriffen]

forget mj and kobe


lebron aint on dirks level IMO

[Mr. Jabbar]

It's also the inability to score against Kelly Oubre in the post.


:roll: :roll:

[Mr. Jabbar]

sorry but no way is a perimeter player that shoots 60% free throws better than kobe

especially one that cant play defense or make the playoffs in the west with a more than capable roster

lebron has zero accomplishments without a ton of asterisks

this season destroyed lebrons phoney legacy

damn

[Celtics 1825]

You know for as much as we dislike each other I think we can find some common ground here k0dak. I too believe that while LeBron is better than Kobe, he sadly cannot be considered the GOAT in my eyes after what's been going on this season.

[NBASTATMAN]

You know for as much as we dislike each other I think we can find some common ground here k0dak. I too believe that while LeBron is better than Kobe, he sadly cannot be considered the GOAT in my eyes after what's been going on this season.


Goat conversation only involves MJ and Kareem.. Than everyone else.. Lebron played well tonight but Rondo was garbage and they need to play a big man cuz they get killed without one..

[k0kakw0rld]

You know for as much as we dislike each other I think we can find some common ground here k0dak. I too believe that while LeBron is better than Kobe, he sadly cannot be considered the GOAT in my eyes after what's been going on this season.
I am a decent human being who just got caught up into trolling like the rest of the idiots here.

You also happen to be a fan of a franchise I sincerely dislike and for many reasons.

- Danny Ainge
- Marcus Smart
- Paul Pierce and his unpleasant hate for Toronto
- Playing other GMs like cards
- Starting the super teams :confusedshrug:

Other than that we can be cool, brother :cheers:

[Celtics 1825]

I am a decent human being who just got caught up into trolling like the rest of the idiots here.

You also happen to be a fan of a franchise I sincerely dislike and for many reasons.

- Danny Ainge
- Marcus Smart
- Paul Pierce and his unpleasant hate for Toronto
- Playing other GMs like cards
- Starting the super teams :confusedshrug:

Other than that we can be cool, brother :cheers:
Understandable man, I can see why you don't like us :lol

I don't even necessarily hate the Raps even, just don't think they'll beat us. But it's all in good spirit :cheers: Looking forward to a good series if we face each other in the playoffs

[Shaquille O'Neal]

I blame some of the "GOAT" talk on ESPN, Lebron himself (no one around him since he was little to "sit yo ass down and shutup" and some of the retarded analysts.


But for him to post memes about getting in the top 10 in assists and scoring right after laying an egg is pretty awful.


Where was ESPN reminding everyone that Wilt is #1 in all-time rebounds and #6 all time in scoring?
I mean it was done years ago - someone to be top 10 in 2 of the 3 major offensive categories.


In 2-3 years when Lebron retires, his "faux GOAT" will really come up. People in the "game" press-wise don't want to upset the applecart. This is (the only) reason I respect Skip Bayless and to some extent Barkley and Stephen A. They are not shy about telling you he's not the GOAT - remember the end of the 2018 Finals and Barkley? "Anyone says this guy is better than Jordan I'll smack the hell out of them!"

[tpols]

Absolutely not better than Kobe.

[Celtics 1825]

I blame some of the "GOAT" talk on ESPN, Lebron himself (no one around him since he was little to "sit yo ass down and shutup" and some of the retarded analysts.


But for him to post memes about getting in the top 10 in assists and scoring right after laying an egg is pretty awful.


Where was ESPN reminding everyone that Wilt is #1 in all-time rebounds and #6 all time in scoring?
I mean it was done years ago - someone to be top 10 in 2 of the 3 major offensive categories.


In 2-3 years when Lebron retires, his "faux GOAT" will really come up. People in the "game" press-wise don't want to upset the applecart. This is (the only) reason I respect Skip Bayless and to some extent Barkley and Stephen A.
For real, he cares far too much about stats which is something that even diehard Bron stans can't deny (unless your name is Simon)

[dazzer87]

Should've stay in the East....

[k0kakw0rld]

Understandable man, I can see why you don't like us :lol

I don't even necessarily hate the Raps even, just don't think they'll beat us. But it's all in good spirit :cheers: Looking forward to a good series if we face each other in the playoffs
Honestly man for some strange reasons, I fear Boston more than Philly. Boston matches up pretty well against us. Despite all the drama, these kids simply can go into "we don't ive a fvck" mode and start beating everybody like they almost did last season. Now they have Kyrie to close games for them. They are intriguing because you know what they are capable of doing when they click. Which is a scary thing for the rest of the East.

Why do you think i've been so happy to see you guys fail? :oldlol:

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Absolutely not better than Kobe.



100000% agree and I HATE Kobe (poor man's Jordan / chuckbe) Bryant.




Let's compare the end of 2013 vs. tonight.


With the season and game on the line, Lebron misses 2 free throws.


Kobe, same age, with a TORN ACHILLES, hobbles back out and sinks both.


Who would you rather have climb in a foxhole with you? Kobe may cause you to run out of ammo, but he'll die trying to win.

[NBASTATMAN]

Absolutely not better than Kobe at missing shots.


I agree..

[G0ATbe]

MJ > LeBron >>> Kobe.

I think everyone outside of the trolls can agree with this.

[FKAri]

100000% agree and I HATE Kobe (poor man's Jordan / chuckbe) Bryant.




Let's compare the end of 2013 vs. tonight.


With the season and game on the line, Lebron misses 2 free throws.


Kobe, same age, with a TORN ACHILLES, hobbles back out and sinks both.


Who would you rather have climb in a foxhole with you? Kobe may cause you to run out of ammo, but he'll die trying to win.
Kobe's a better FT shooter. I'd rather have Jose Calderon take the free throws then either of these two scrubs tbh.

[k0kakw0rld]

100000% agree and I HATE Kobe (poor man's Jordan / chuckbe) Bryant.




Let's compare the end of 2013 vs. tonight.


With the season and game on the line, Lebron misses 2 free throws.


Kobe, same age, with a TORN ACHILLES, hobbles back out and sinks both.


Who would you rather have climb in a foxhole with you? Kobe may cause you to run out of ammo, but he'll die trying to win.
Ok, we get it. He missed two Fts but they weren't that crucial. But it was an opportunity for the Lakers to keep their hopes alive for this game.

Chill!

He's my guy I still believe he can lead them to the playoff...

[Celtics 1825]

Honestly man for some strange reasons, I fear Boston more than Philly. Boston matches up pretty well against us. Despite all the drama, these kids simply can go into "we don't ive a fvck" mode and start beating everybody like they almost did last season. Now they have Kyrie to close games for them. They are intriguing because you know what they are capable of doing when they click. Which is a scary thing for the rest of the East.

Why do you think i've been so happy to see you guys fail? :oldlol:
Honestly we can beat any team IF, and that's a big if, we actually care and put our heart into it. We saw what the young guys did last year without Kyrie, and adding him into the mix will ensure that we can pull out wins in crunch time.

I think Hayward is going to be the x factor for us during the playoffs. If he can get to at least 75-80% of what he was in Utah then we should be able to make it out of the east.

[k0kakw0rld]

Honestly we can beat any team IF, and that's a big if, we actually care and put our heart into it. We saw what the young guys did last year without Kyrie, and adding him into the mix will ensure that we can pull out wins in crunch time.

I think Hayward is going to be the x factor for us during the playoffs. If he can get to at least 75-80% of what he was in Utah then we should be able to make it out of the east.
See, this is where you are wrong.

I believe less Hayward will help you guys tremendously. Especially for Tatum and Brown. Kyrie will get his no matter what. It's important for Tatum and Brown to find a rhythm and to stay in rhythm throughout the playoffs.

They got three young guys (Rozier, Tatum, Brown) who experienced what it was to be on big stage. Then, you asking them to share minutes with a guy who's not even half the guy he once was. That's a travesty. If I was Tatum I will be fuming too. :oldlol:

See what you done to me bro? I am saying nice things about the Celtics, now :oldlol: :D

[k0kakw0rld]

Honestly we can beat any team IF, and that's a big if, we actually care and put our heart into it. We saw what the young guys did last year without Kyrie, and adding him into the mix will ensure that we can pull out wins in crunch time.

I think Hayward is going to be the x factor for us during the playoffs. If he can get to at least 75-80% of what he was in Utah then we should be able to make it out of the east.
If I had to pick who to face in the conference final. My heart tells me the Celtics because I want to witness the Raptors destroy you guys. And also I want to see Paul Pierce face, when it happens.

But my head says the Bucks. I don't believe in them, one bit. :confusedshrug:

[Celtics 1825]

See, this is where you are wrong.

I believe less Hayward will help you guys tremendously. Especially for Tatum and Brown. Kyrie will get his no matter what. It's important for Tatum and Brown to find a rhythm and to stay in rhythm throughout the playoffs.

They got three young guys (Rozier, Tatum, Brown) who experienced what it was to be on big stage. Then, you asking them to share minutes with a guy who's not even half the guy he once was. That's a travesty. If I was Tatum I will be fuming too. :oldlol:

See what you done to me bro? I am saying nice things about the Celtics, now :oldlol: :D
Lmao it's all good dude, there's plenty of good things I can say about the Raptors too.

This definitely isn't the same team that constantly choked in the playoffs at the hands of DeFrozan. Kawhi is a MASSIVE upgrade from that and has proven to be a winner and come up big when it counts. Also can't ignore Spicy P's rise to stardom, really liking what I've seen from him.

And yeah so far the main problems we've been facing this year are 1. trying to integrate Hayward back into the lineup and 2. having too many players who need the ball in their hands to be effective. It's been tough managing minutes and rotations as well. Stevens also doesn't know how to call timeouts in a timely manner and always waits until we're down 15 to finally take one.

Rozier only seems to play well when he's starting.. He's generally complete ass whenever he comes off the bench. All he does is either take pull up 3's with 20 seconds left on the shot clock or hog it for the entire possession and chuck up a bad shot at the end of the clock. I wish we could've moved him at the deadline.

East will be a bloodbath this year no doubt and will be entertaining to watch regardless of the outcome.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Ok, we get it. He missed two Fts but they weren't that crucial.



:facepalm
With that bit of Stephen Hawking logic, I am out. Night all.


Stay :cry: Laker / Lebron stans.

[k0kakw0rld]

:facepalm
With that bit of Stephen Hawking logic, I am out. Night all.


Stay :cry: Laker / Lebron stans.
You got it wrong, bro. I am probably the biggest Lakers/Celtics hater on this board.

[Mr.GOAT2408]

He's not even top 10 all-time, the only reason anyone even puts him that high is because of all the hype he received that people still buy into, because most sports "fans" are actually box score watchers who can't properly evaluate ability, and because many people can relate with LeBron's beta tendencies in pressure situations.

But yeah, hopefully those brainwashed by the hype can now realize that he's simply not on the level of a Michael Jordan (easily the GOAT) or even a Kobe Bryant (GOAT of this century)

[warriorfan]

Big Kokak fan here. But he

[Overdrive]

It's not just the free throw.

It's also the inability to score against Kelly Oubre in the post.

It's also the passive aggressive when his sense of urgency should be at the highest. I don't think he understands that Lakers fans will crucify him? He doesn't understand that all the claims he's been making about himself, are on the line.

Claims like: "That made me the greatest of all time" :facepalm

Well, you about to confirm what everybody was saying about you. Dominated a shitty eastern conference but he's not capable of even getting that 8th seed in the western conference.

His passive aggressiveness also leads to innerteam relationships to sour. Most people can cope with people being straight up assholes, but it's hard if they act like nice guys and then backstab you the first chance they get.

Lebron being the golden basketball child from 14 y/o on shaped him into a social awkward dude, who has a hard time relating to others.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

[quote=warriorfan]Big Kokak fan here. But he

[Manny98]

Jordan had games where he "choked" down the stretch just saying

Let's not act like he was perfect and never had a bad quarter or missed a clutch shot

[3ball]

https://media.giphy.com/media/l4pTsh45Dg7jnDM6Q/giphy.gif

[Loco 50]

Is this the first time ever he's faced a playoff race?

Regardless, it's at least the first time in years and he breaks down physically in the middle of it.

Poor guy's body couldn't handle the strain and now we see him break down mentally. Missing free throws in the clutch, stupid turnovers, blaming teammates for his defensive lapses.

His career would have gone drastically different if he had come up in the western conference. Would have been the powerhouse teams' bitch to smack around every year.

Who am I kidding? Even if he had come up in the West he would have run to the East with the quickness.

Outside the top 10. 100 percent.

[k0kakw0rld]

Jordan had games where he "choked" down the stretch just saying

Let's not act like he was perfect and never had a bad quarter or missed a clutch shot
It's hard to be called a choker when you are 6/6 in the finals. He was a killer and that is something you can not deny. Stop trying too hard, please.

[Manny98]

It's hard to be called a choker when you are 6/6 in the finals. He was a killer and that is something you can not deny. Stop trying too hard, please.
LeBron was a killer as well he just didn't play with a team so stacked that they won 55 without him hence why he's 3/9

https://i.postimg.cc/Vv03tYPq/Screenshot-20181212-225616.jpg

[superduper]

Ok, we get it. He missed two Fts but they weren't that crucial. But it was an opportunity for the Lakers to keep their hopes alive for this game.

Chill!

He's my guy I still believe he can lead them to the playoff...

It's not just the two FTs though, that's just a tiny example. LeBron is an extremely skilled player but it's the intangibles that separate them.

[3ball]

It's not just the two FTs though, that's just a tiny example. LeBron is an extremely skilled player but it's the intangibles that separate them.
Lebron is an extremely skilled player and I realized recently that I've been underrating his handle

But his scoring ability is flawed compared to the best (inferior shooting, FT, seldom an assist target, low team assist style/effect)

Then there's the intangibles

[Phoenix]

LeBron was a killer as well he just didn't play with a team so stacked that they won 55 without him hence why he's 3/9

https://i.postimg.cc/Vv03tYPq/Screenshot-20181212-225616.jpg


Lebron doesn't get sympathy votes because other teams grew to dynasty status in his era, as opposed to being the dynasty himself. You continue to harp on the 55 win Bulls squad as if a team being functional without its best player is a 'bad thing'. Lebron has chosen the mercenary path in a 'prime superstar mobility' era he ushered in and its led to less championships than his talent and ability dictates it should have. Oh but the stats, he's got all the stats. The Warriors built their dynasty through smart drafting, bringing up players in a system, and taking advantage of the aforementioned 'superstar mobility' to fortify and take it to the next level with Durant. Because that's all happened on Lebron's watch and he's been on the receiving end doesn't lessen prior greats who achieved their success organically.

[hold this L]

He was never in the GOAT conversation. There is zero arguments to be made having him over MJ or KAJ. Both are in a separate category of greatness. He's 5th all time for me, but I can see why people have him a little higher or lower.

[Manny98]

Lebron doesn't get sympathy votes because other teams grew to dynasty status in his era, as opposed to being the dynasty himself. You continue to harp on the 55 win Bulls squad as if a team being functional without its best player is a 'bad thing'. Lebron has chosen the mercenary path in a 'prime superstar mobility' era he ushered in and its led to less championships than his talent and ability dictates it should have. Oh but the stats, he's got all the stats. The Warriors built their dynasty through smart drafting, bringing up players in a system, and taking advantage of the aforementioned 'superstar mobility' to fortify and take it to the next level with Durant. Because that's all happened on Lebron's watch and he's been on the receiving end doesn't lessen prior greats who achieved their success organically.
Good for MJ he got drafted to a large market with a good front office and great coaching

If only LeBron got drafted to a better organisation than Cleveland who can give him a Pippen and a Horace Grant by his 4th season he'd probably win like 8 championships

[bullettooth]

Good for MJ he got drafted to a large market with a good front office and great coaching

If only LeBron got drafted to a better organisation than Cleveland who can give him a Pippen and a Horace Grant by his 4th season he'd probably win like 8 championships

Wade
Bosh
Kyrie
Love
Allen
Shaq
Ben Wallace
Ilgauskas


Still lost 6 times in the finals.

[Manny98]

Wade
Bosh
Kyrie
Love
Allen
Shaq
Ben Wallace
Ilgauskas


Still lost 6 times in the finals.
If LeBron had Wade and Bosh from the age of 22 like Jordan had Pippen he'd have won 7 championships minimum

Instead he's stuck with garbage cans like Mo Williams for a chunk of his career and playing for a shit franchise that can't attract any talent

[E_Stamkos]

Good for MJ he got drafted to a large market with a good front office and great coaching

If only LeBron got drafted to a better organisation than Cleveland who can give him a Pippen and a Horace Grant by his 4th season he'd probably win like 8 championships

Speaking in hypotheticals and 'what ifs' will never erase or supplant reality.

The reality is.... playoff mode has been activated

[bullettooth]

If LeBron had Wade and Bosh from the age of 22 like Jordan had Pippen he'd have won 7 championships minimum

Instead he's stuck with garbage cans like Mo Williams for a chunk of his career and playing for a shit franchise that can't attract any talent

6 finals losses. You're going to have to live with that.

[3ball]

If LeBron had Wade and Bosh from the age of 22 like Jordan had Pippen he'd have won 7 championships minimum

Instead he's stuck with garbage cans like Mo Williams for a chunk of his career and playing for a shit franchise that can't attract any talent
^^^ there it is - you just said it - lebron always needed an extra all-star to win his rings.. he couldn't win with just 1 other star and role players like MJ, Dirk, Kobe, hakeem, and various other players that now prove to be superior did

[superduper]

GOAT? Is he even top 10 at this point?

[dankok8]

I'm being dead serious when I say that if Lakers miss the playoffs, Lebron's status among all time greats will suffer. Even for me who is an outspoken Lebron fan. Not because he missed two free throws or he had a bunch of turnovers the game before or whatever but because this Laker team has enough talent to be a lot better than they are. Lebron should be able to average 25 ppg and be a distributor and this team should easily make the playoffs. A team with Lou Williams as their best player will make the postseason over this team. Lebron missing 18 games can't excuse that. He has been unwilling or unable to develop chemistry in this squad. Demanding a trade for Anthony Davis understandably soured his teammates to him and that's a damaging move in the Lakers locker room that may never heal to be honest and could haunt this roster for years to come. If they don't get big free agents and basically rebuild this team, his move to LA and the way Lebron handled this team could come to haunt him and he may seriously regret it. He potentially threw away a chance to be GOAT... for what? If he stayed in Cleveland, people would have respected him far more than they do now. He is not loyal and he is not successful.

[Leviathon1121]

I remember watching the Spurs play him in the finals, literally giving him open jump shots because it was an effective strategy. Knew then that he would never be considered a GOAT tier player outside of a Cavs forum.

[bigkingsfan]

You don’t need to defend him because he’s GOAT

[bullettooth]

[QUOTE=bigkingsfan]You don

[bigkingsfan]

Nobody with as many failures (and record failures) like LeBron is considered GOAT.

Unless you're an idiot.
No excuses

[Phoenix]

Good for MJ he got drafted to a large market with a good front office and great coaching

If only LeBron got drafted to a better organisation than Cleveland who can give him a Pippen and a Horace Grant by his 4th season he'd probably win like 8 championships

Ah, so it was good for MJ. A team that averaged 29 wins the prior 3 seasons before he got there. A team that went from 21st in attendance in 84, to 9th in 85( MJ's rookie year) to 2nd by MJ's 4th year. A team that hadn't won a title before MJ, and hasn't come remotely close to one since outside of 2011. How fortunate that MJ was lucky enough to find himself on such a storied franchise. :rolleyes: It weren't Jerry Krause's fat ass out there winning championships, cuckwank.

Lebron since 25 years old ( 2010) has handpicked his supporting stars and teams in attempts to circumvent how all great championship squads created their dynasties: great drafting, smart free agent signings, and building lasting systems/chemistry. He bailed on Wade because he thought he was done, yet Wade actually bounced back and Lebron could have retooled on the fly with Whiteside, Deng, Dragic and still gotten to the finals. He chose to 'go back home'. Then he chose to leave....again. None of that is on anyone but Lebron how his career has developed the last decade. His level of talent and ability dicates that he should have won 5 championships minimum, but everyone else including the guy selling popcorn is to blame for why he hasn't.

[FKAri]

I'm being dead serious when I say that if Lakers miss the playoffs, Lebron's status among all time greats will suffer. Even for me who is an outspoken Lebron fan. Not because he missed two free throws or he had a bunch of turnovers the game before or whatever but because this Laker team has enough talent to be a lot better than they are. Lebron should be able to average 25 ppg and be a distributor and this team should easily make the playoffs. A team with Lou Williams as their best player will make the postseason over this team. Lebron missing 18 games can't excuse that. He has been unwilling or unable to develop chemistry in this squad. Demanding a trade for Anthony Davis understandably soured his teammates to him and that's a damaging move in the Lakers locker room that may never heal to be honest and could haunt this roster for years to come. If they don't get big free agents and basically rebuild this team, his move to LA and the way Lebron handled this team could come to haunt him and he may seriously regret it. He potentially threw away a chance to be GOAT... for what? If he stayed in Cleveland, people would have respected him far more than they do now. He is not loyal and he is not successful.
He had no chance to be GOAT :oldlol: I don't buy this "if he won more rings or passes so and so in stats then he'd improve his GOAT case". No. He's just not better than MJ. It's not about ring count or stats. It's about who was ****ing better at playing basketball. This isn't an individual sport.

[egokiller]

forget mj and kobe


lebron aint on dirks level IMO

I was going to say, why are we even mentioning MJ and Kobe when LeBron isn't even on dirk/duncan level, who are both below Bird, Magic, Wilt, Russell and KAJ.

LeBron barely squeaks into the top 10 and his stans are fanatic about it. :oldlol:

[k0kakw0rld]

GOAT? Is he even top 10 at this point?
He's top 3.

[egokiller]

He's top 3.

Not possible. Too many chokes in the finals. 6 losses. Not making playoffs in the west.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Don't know where I would place him after the season.

Won't front and say missing the playoffs out West isnt a bad look. How much it matters? Not sure. But again, its a bad look.


Not possible. Too many chokes in the finals. 6 losses. Not making playoffs in the west.

Damn.

As a Cleveland native, where do you rank LeEAST bro?

Not 5, 6, 7...?

[egokiller]

Don't know where I would place him after the season.

Won't front and say missing the playoffs out West isnt a bad look. How much it matters? Not sure. But again, its a bad look.



Damn.

As a Cleveland native, where do you rank LeEAST bro?

Not 5, 6, 7...?

When you take into account the collusion, the constant failing in the finals, the 1 ring for CLE in 11 years, the 2/4 after promising 8 to Miami, you're really left with a guy who can't be any higher than 9. His rings and FMVPs keep him in the top 10, but just barely. Just too much fail surrounding this guy to have him ranked any higher. Modern day Jerry West if not for Ray Allen and Kyrie. :applause:

[Spurs m8]

When you take into account the collusion, the constant failing in the finals, the 1 ring for CLE in 11 years, the 2/4 after promising 8 to Miami, you're really left with a guy who can't be any higher than 9. His rings and FMVPs keep him in the top 10, but just barely. Just too much fail surrounding this guy to have him ranked any higher. Modern day Jerry West if not for Ray Allen and Kyrie. :applause:

Can you please make some more videos?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

When you take into account the collusion, the constant failing in the finals, the 1 ring for CLE in 11 years, the 2/4 after promising 8 to Miami, you're really left with a guy who can't be any higher than 9. His rings and FMVPs keep him in the top 10, but just barely. Just too much fail surrounding this guy to have him ranked any higher. Modern day Jerry West if not for Ray Allen and Kyrie. :applause:

Good stuff.

I originally thought his LA stint would be icing on the cake. Mostly because I had LA making the playoffs, and doing pretty well sans GSW.

The exact opposite's happened.

The Lakers look garbage. LeBron and his "will carry anyone" narrative is being exposed. And the media is...dare I say...turning on him?

Ole Shannon Sharp can't even defend this man right now :oldlol:

[warriorfan]

Can you please make some more videos?

This

[egokiller]

Can you please make some more videos?

Stay tuned for Manny98 aka Lebron23 aka Baller1986 comes to CLE part #2: The Reunion at Hodge's

http://www.phdelicious.com/images/Hodgeshop/front.jpg

[3ball]

Dirk, Malone, Hakeem could be argued a tie with Lebron

And anyone in the vicinity of the 2-3 Finals appearances he'd have if his career was out West