Would a 34 Year Old Kobe Bean Bryant take this Lakers team to the Playoffs? (Poll)

[warriorfan]

Going with yes. Kobe put up similar production to LeBron while giving more on the defensive side and without nearly as much ball domination. Kobe was able to drag a rag tag group to back to back rings in an era where LeBron was still trying to figure out how he was going to win in the east. (Later figures it out by joining the top two players in the division in

[G0ATbe]

Seeing as 34 year old Kobe had this squad:

https://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/lg/public/2013/01/08/los-angeles-lakers-time-panic_0.jpg

And heading into the 2013 season Lakers were co-favorites with the Heat to win the title

only for him to barely squeak into the playoffs by the end of the season and get swept in the 1st round

I'm gonna go with no. :confusedshrug:

[superduper]

Seeing as 34 year old Kobe had this squad:

https://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/lg/public/2013/01/08/los-angeles-lakers-time-panic_0.jpg

And heading into the 2013 season Lakers were co-favorites with the Heat to win the title

only for him to barely squeak into the playoffs by the end of the season and get swept in the 1st round

I'm gonna go with no. :confusedshrug:

Why did Gasol get swept in the first round as the first option with Dwight/Nash/Artest as 2nd/3rd/4th options minus Cancer/ChuckBe?

[Mr. Jabbar]

Seeing as 34 year old Kobe had this squad:

https://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/lg/public/2013/01/08/los-angeles-lakers-time-panic_0.jpg

And heading into the 2013 season Lakers were co-favorites with the Heat to win the title

only for him to barely squeak into the playoffs by the end of the season and get swept

I'm gonna go with no. :confusedshrug:

LOLOLOL, what a fine collection of scrubs around kobe. Not even the swaggy expressions can rub it off :roll: :roll:

[Akrazotile]

Seeing as 34 year old Kobe had this squad:

https://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/lg/public/2013/01/08/los-angeles-lakers-time-panic_0.jpg

And heading into the 2013 season Lakers were co-favorites with the Heat to win the title

only for him to barely squeak into the playoffs by the end of the season and get swept in the 1st round

I'm gonna go with no. :confusedshrug:


http://i.ytimg.com/vi/r621Q9KoPhg/hqdefault.jpg


Bean apologists on TILT.

[AirTupac]

BTW guys

Nash missed 30+ games
Gasol missed 20+ games

Dwight had back surgery that off season


OH and

- Artest was in China a year later
- Nash retired a year later
- Dwight disappeared into irrelevancy after.


You dont think Kobe with FKING INGRAM? cant do it? LMAO

[warriorfan]

Seeing as 34 year old Kobe had this squad:

https://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/lg/public/2013/01/08/los-angeles-lakers-time-panic_0.jpg

And heading into the 2013 season Lakers were co-favorites with the Heat to win the title

only for him to barely squeak into the playoffs by the end of the season and get swept in the 1st round

I'm gonna go with no. :confusedshrug:

They got swept in the first round becaus Kobe got injured at the end of the season. Kobe didn’t play one game in the series.

That team was ass. Steve Nash was like 40 years old and so busted up he was useless. That’s like saying “Prime LeBron couldn’t even win one with Shaquille O’Neal.”

Wack trolling. Very weak effort.

[Dray n Klay]

Dwight was 26 years old that season, played 75 games with Kobe, and was coming off a 20/14 season while getting 3 DPOY awards


He was also an all-star starter that season


NO EXCUSES

[G0ATbe]

BTW guys

Nash missed 30+ games
Gasol missed 20+ games

Dwight had back surgery that off season


OH and

- Artest was in China a year later
- Nash retired a year later
- Dwight disappeared into irrelevancy after.


You dont think Kobe with FKING INGRAM? cant do it? LMAO
Dwight was an all star that season and had similar production as the year prior. His surgery is just a weak excuse, he balled out. Both Dwight and Gasol were all stars after leaving Kobe's team.

So Kobe had 2 all star calibre players (Dwight, Gasol) alongside him that season and barely made the playoffs, but we're supposed to expect him to make the playoffs without question with rookie and sophomore role players instead? :lol

[AirTupac]

Back surgery.... Do you guys not understand? Dwight wasnt even supposed to play till December.


These kids are posting pics of the guys faces thinking people will be duped into think they were in their prime.



Nash missed 30+ games
Gasol missed 20+


:roll: :roll:

[Dray n Klay]

Dwight was an all star that season and had similar production as the year prior. His surgery is just a weak excuse, he balled out.

So Kobe had 2 all star calibre players (Dwight, Gasol) alongside him that season and barely made the playoffs, but we're supposed to expect him to make the playoffs without question with rookie and sophomore role players instead? :lol

Kobestans right now :lol

https://media.giphy.com/media/i3o6FuTCv5uhJXKvMo/giphy.gif

[warriorfan]

Dwight was 26 years old that season, played 75 games with Kobe, and was coming off a 20/14 season while getting 3 DPOY awards


He was also an all-star starter that season


NO EXCUSES


There wasn

[AirTupac]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]There wasn

[kennethgriffen]

kobe took a more dysfunctional group plagued with injuries to the playoffs in his 16th and 17th seasons


rondo right now is better than nash was

kuzma and ingram are better 2nd/3rd option scorers than a broken down pau or howard with one foot out the door coming off back surgery

lance and old metta are about the same


nash and gasol won 27 games a year later without kobe

and nash, metta, gasol, howard got swept in the playoffs without kobe

[kennethgriffen]

Kobestans right now :lol

https://media.giphy.com/media/i3o6FuTCv5uhJXKvMo/giphy.gif


do you actually truly believe we're the ones in bad shape.... right now

[AirTupac]

kobe took a more dysfunctional group plagued with injuries to the playoffs in his 16th and 17th seasons


rondo right now is better than nash was

kuzma and ingram are better 2nd/3rd option scorers than a broken down pau or howard with one foot out the door coming off back surgery

lance and old metta are about the same


Way to put things in perspetive. Rondo is legit a much better player than Nash was at that point. Artest is legit comparable to current Lance.


Heres the rest of Kobe's team (remember Gasol and Nash were out for a HUGE chunk of the season)


Steve Blake
Andrew Goudelock
Robert Sacre
Darius Morris
Earl Clark
Jamison
Jordan Hill
Darius Johnson-Odom
Chris fking Duhon
Jodie Meeks


Straight trash.

[sdot_thadon]

not if he misses 18 games. But if he's healthy sure, so does Lebron. But i imagine that sort of thinking is counterproductive to the agenda at play am i right?

[SamuraiSWISH]

Obviously. He did it factually with a older, often injured supporting cast. Why wouldn

[AirTupac]

not if he misses 18 games. But if he's healthy sure, so does Lebron. But i imagine that sort of thinking is counterproductive to the agenda at play am i right?

You think Kobe would lose to the Suns? Knicks? AD-less Pelicans? When he needs to make playoffs? Be honest with yourself....

[G0ATbe]

BTW


LeBron has missed 18 games
Rondo has missed 37 games
Lonzo has missed 19 games
Ingram has missed 14 games
Javale has missed 10 games

and the season aint even over yet.

Lakers best players have been waaaaay more injury plagued than that star studded 2013 lakers squad. it's not even close actually.
:kobe: :kobe:

[kennethgriffen]

not if he misses 18 games. But if he's healthy sure, so does Lebron. But i imagine that sort of thinking is counterproductive to the agenda at play am i right?


when lebron came back the lakers were 1 game out of the playoffs


he's since lost to all of the worst teams in the nba


kobe plays better when injured. he didn't miss a single game with the same exact injury in 2010 ontop of his knee/hand issues


kobe also wouldn't balloon up to 280 pounds even if he did take that much time off ( which he wouldn't )


and how many close games came down to lebron choking at the free throw line. kobe doesn't do that.


nor does kobe lose the locker room so easly. he instills fear into guys. they respect him more than lebron

[AirTupac]

BTW


LeBron has missed 18 games
Rondo has missed 37 games
Lonzo has missed 19 games
Ingram has missed 14 games
Javale has missed 10 games

and the season aint even over yet.

Lakers best players have been waaaaay more injury plagued than that star studded 2013 lakers squad. it's not even close actually.
:kobe: :kobe:


Uhhhh

Ingram missed 11 games. So youre already fudging the numbers. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[AirTupac]

Way to put things in perspetive. Rondo is legit a much better player than Nash was at that point. Artest is legit comparable to current Lance.


Heres the rest of Kobe's team (remember Gasol and Nash were out for a HUGE chunk of the season)


Steve Blake
Andrew Goudelock
Robert Sacre
Darius Morris
Earl Clark
Jamison
Jordan Hill
Darius Johnson-Odom
Chris fking Duhon
Jodie Meeks


Straight trash.


Someone wanna tell me how these rosters compare?


Steve Blake - (RONDO)
Andrew Goudelock (JOSH HART)
Robert Sacre (TYSON CHANDLER)
Darius Morris lol
Earl Clark
Jamison (KUZMA)
Jordan Hill
Darius Johnson-Odom lmfao
Chris fking Duhon (REGGIE BULLOCK)
Jodie Meeks (KCP)

[sdot_thadon]

when lebron came back the lakers were 1 game out of the playoffs


he's since lost to all of the worst teams in the nba


kobe plays better when injured. he didn't miss a single game with the same exact injury in 2010 ontop of his knee/hand issues


kobe also wouldn't balloon up to 280 pounds even if he did take that much time off ( which he wouldn't )


and how many close games came down to lebron choking at the free throw line. kobe doesn't do that.


nor does kobe lose the locker room so easly. he instills fear into guys. they respect him more than lebron
jesus its almost as if you didn't witness Kobe's last few years in the league. Kobe would be doing a ton of glaring at these teammates and would just say screw it and shoot everytime. He getting the same results with the same injury luck. Not to mention are we taking into account the routine games Kobe shoots his team out of games?

[G0ATbe]

Uhhhh

Ingram missed 11 games. So youre already fudging the numbers. :roll: :roll: :roll:
Uhhhhh, no.

He's missed 14 games. You ok bro? :lol

[Dray n Klay]

Uhhhhh, no.

He's missed 14 games. You ok bro? :lol
:roll: :roll:

[Mr.GOAT2408]

He took a worse squad to 42 wins before getting hurt. That team was good when fully healthy but the problem was they could not stay healthy and it took some adjustments before Kobe had that incredible 2nd half where he willed that team to the postseason.

He would push these guys far more than LeBron. LeBron's obsession with completely overhauling his rosters when they inevitably start slow backfired on him and this is the mess, Kobe was never like that midseason even with actual trash rosters. He always ended up building good chemistry unless the player was a loser like Dwight or Smush. This team would win 50 games at minimum even if Kobe missed 18 games, that's the sign of a great leader :rockon:

[kennethgriffen]

jesus its almost as if you didn't witness Kobe's last few years in the league. Kobe would be doing a ton of glaring at these teammates and would just say screw it and shoot everytime. He getting the same results with the same injury luck. Not to mention are we taking into account the routine games Kobe shoots his team out of games?


why are you comparing current lebron to post achilles rupture kobe


kobe played with other injuries his entire career you absolute f*cktard


playing on one leg in year 20 is 10000000 times more difficult than playing with a strained groin in year 16


jesus h f*cking christ.. get a f*cking clue

:oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

kobe took a more dysfunctional group plagued with injuries to the playoffs in his 16th and 17th seasons


rondo right now is better than nash was

kuzma and ingram are better 2nd/3rd option scorers than a broken down pau or howard with one foot out the door coming off back surgery

lance and old metta are about the same


nash and gasol won 27 games a year later without kobe

and nash, metta, gasol, howard got swept in the playoffs without kobe
Howard put up 17-12, lead the league in rebounding and made All-NBA that year. Better than any year so-called "Superstar Bosh" had with Miami.

[kennethgriffen]

Howard put up 17-12, lead the league in rebounding and made All-NBA that year. Better than any year so-called "Superstar Bosh" had with Miami.


howards a clean up guy as 2nd option.. he had no go to moves. he had half the athleticism/lateral movement.. he wasn't aggressive. he was distant/checked out from day one. he was garbage


this shows you don't watch basketball

[LAL]

Vino baby

[Hey Yo]

howards a clean up guy as 2nd option.. he had no go to moves. he had half the athleticism/lateral movement.. he wasn't aggressive. he was distant/checked out from day one. he was garbage


this shows you don't watch basketball
Leading the league in rebounding and named to All-NBA team = garbage??

If he was garbage, then why was Kobe and the front office begging him to sign on long term??


Sorry Chico...... the facts cannot be refuted.

[No Sir]

Well lets compare the team they were on at 34.

a team that had to fight tooth and nail to make the playoffs at the very end with multiple all stars on it

vs.

A team with 1 all star that missed a quarter of the season mixed in with rookies, sophomores and castaways

says all you need to know about Kobe vs LeBrons expectations/standards.

that 2013 laker squad was an embarrassment and a shitstain on kobe's legacy but for whatever reason kobe stans celebrate it because he tore his achilles and hit freethrows. :lol

[Indian guy]

Absolutely not.

The 2013 Lakers barely made the playoffs with Kobe playing 78 games. And that was a more talented, veteran team in an easier Western Conference and an even weaker Eastern Conference than today.

I don't see how Kobe leads the current Lakers to the playoffs while missing 18 games, a young roster that has known nothing but losing and simply a much tougher league than 2013.

[LAL]

Well lets compare the team they were on at 34.

a team that had to fight tooth and nail to make the playoffs at the very end with multiple all stars on it

vs.

A team with 1 all star that missed a quarter of the season mixed in with rookies, sophomores and castaways

says all you need to know about Kobe vs LeBrons expectations/standards.

that 2013 laker squad was an embarrassment and a shitstain on kobe's legacy but for whatever reason kobe stans celebrate it because he tore his achilles and hit freethrows. :lol

Whole world: Kobe>Lebron

Lebran fans: 'he important fo our culture main'

:rolleyes:

[ImKobe]

Simon only brought out 6 alts for the poll? slacking.

[AirTupac]

Someone wanna tell me how these rosters compare?


Steve Blake - (RONDO)
Andrew Goudelock (JOSH HART)
Robert Sacre (TYSON CHANDLER)
Darius Morris lol
Earl Clark
Jamison (KUZMA)
Jordan Hill
Darius Johnson-Odom lmfao
Chris fking Duhon (REGGIE BULLOCK)
Jodie Meeks (KCP)


No one wants to talk about the rest of his team. They're focused on Dwight (with a surgery that was supposed to keep him sidelined till December) for some strange reason.

They keep saying "Allstars" as if its going to change the fact that they were already DONE when they came to Lakers.

[kennethgriffen]

Leading the league in rebounding and named to All-NBA team = garbage??

If he was garbage, then why was Kobe and the front office begging him to sign on long term??


Sorry Chico...... the facts cannot be refuted.


anyone who says post back surgery howard is anything but hot garbage is an absolute retard

he got numbers just from standing under the rim


it wasn't a positive impact



you saw him get swept and utterly embarrassed by a much older duncan didn't you?

[AirTupac]

anyone who says post back surgery howard is anything but hot garbage is an absolute retard

he got numbers just from standing under the rim


it wasn't a positive impact


100% this. These retards are bringing up stats as if its the ultimate indicator of how Howard was playing..


"Howard had back surgery earlier in April, and the Lakers had acquired him with the possibility that he might be out until December or January. He did not play basketball until training camp in October."



"The Lakers starting lineup at the start of the regular season was the leagues oldest"

These guys are bringing up Gasol as an argument? Is that why he was replaced by EARL CLARK for a majority of the season? EARL CLARK was starting at one point because 1) Gasol was not the same 2) D'Antoni was playing him wrong



OH YEAH. Metta World Peace had a serious knee surgery after the allstar break that was supposed to sideline him for 6-8 weeks but came back in 2 weeks (SOMEHOW) just to try and support the team. Artest looked REALLY bad because he rushed coming backk.


OH YEAH BTW: World Peace played 15 minutes in the game, returning 12 days after his surgery though initial estimates were six weeks. In his absence, D'Antoni was using a reduced seven-man rotation with Bryant playing close to all 48 minutes each game

The 7 man rotation? Earl Clark, Dwight, Gasol, Steve Blake, Artest, Jodie Meeks, Atwan Jamison with a bench of Devin Ebanks, Robert Sacre, Chris Duhon, Darius Morris.

So tell me how does that team full of allstars do? Earl Clark, Steve Blake starting. Some games Darius Morris would start!!!!

[PP34Deuce]

Hypotheticals, Kobe with this team right now struggles. Laker bigs are not good rebounders and the same lapses they've made would frustrate him. I'd say they would be about the same they are now.

Only reason they would have a lil more cohesity is Kobe is a SG and primarily would be one.

One of the Lakers problems that's been a good and bad thing is small Forwards.

Lebron can play 4, but he's a 3.
Ingram is a prototypical 3
Kuzma is a 3

Kuzma to me is Antawn Jamison. He's a scorer whether on the bench or starting. Same defensive issues too. He should be your 6th man of the year. He's in that Lou Williams/ Jamison/Crawford tear of microwave scoring.


If you want to get technical, Lance is more of a 3 than 2 guard. Paul George was the 2 on that Indiana team with Lance playing more 3.

[AirTupac]

Lets do a cute comparison

Nash, Steve Blake, Darius Morris - Lonzo, Rondo
Kobe, Jodie Meeks - Reggie Bullock, KCP, Josh Hart, Ingram (starts at 2 sometimes)
Artest, Devin Ebanks - LeBron/Ingram/Lance Stephenson
Gasol, Jamison - LeBron/Kuzma/Wagner
Dwight / Robert Sacre - Mcgee / Chandler / Zubac (before)

[LAL]

No one wants to talk about the rest of his team. They're focused on Dwight (with a surgery that was supposed to keep him sidelined till December) for some strange reason.

They keep saying "Allstars" as if its going to change the fact that they were already DONE when they came to Lakers.
Yup, those guys were absolutely important, i remember kobe getting the best out of jodie meeks, earl clark, jordan hill, jamison and even darius morris.

They were absolutely 100% behind the OG, just check how the bench would celebrate and go nuts over kobe,
true respected leader. While the so called "all stars" were missing most of the time, even gasol was crying the whole season because he had to shoot three pointers because of dantoni.

[AirTupac]

Yup, those guys were absolutely important, i remember kobe getting the best out of jodie meeks, earl clark, jordan hill, jamison
and even darius morris.

They were absolutely 100% behind the OG, just check how the bench would celebrate and go nuts over kobe,
true respected leader. While the so called "all stars" were missing most of the time, even gasol was crying the whole season because he had to shoot three pointers because of dantoni.


Yep Gasol was having one of the worst periods in his career because of his inability to mesh with D'Antoni hence why Earl Clark started.

Most of the guys ended up out of the league after 1-2 years sans Lakers. Kobe willed his team and guys. Didn't demand for everyone to be shipped to his agent.

[PickernRoller]

Without a doubt. He has carried worse.

[Hey Yo]

anyone who says post back surgery howard is anything but hot garbage is an absolute retard

he got numbers just from standing under the rim


it wasn't a positive impact



you saw him get swept and utterly embarrassed by a much older duncan didn't you?
Then why did Kobe and the Lakers front office beg Dwight to re-sign with LA??

Why was he voted All-NBA if he was garbage??

I know you're pissed off cause the facts slapped the figure four on ya, but no need to lie. Just take the L like the Lakers did that year and move on.

[AirTupac]

Then why did Kobe and the Lakers front office beg Dwight to re-sign with LA??

Why was he voted All-NBA if he was garbage??

I know you're pissed off cause the facts slapped the figure four on ya, but no need to lie. Just take the L like the Lakers did that year and move on.


Cause he was a former superstar on the LAKERS market you retard. He was supposed to sit out till December. I can pull out 50 articles saying that he came early because he wanted to not disappoint the team. Retard :roll: Answer all the other points in this thread

[Hey Yo]

Cause he was a former superstar on the LAKERS market you retard. He was supposed to sit out till December. I can pull out 50 articles saying that he came early because he wanted to not disappoint the team. Retard :roll: Answer all the other points in this thread
:lol .... you mad at my facts, brah?


Who gives a fvck if he was supposed to sit out till December.

He played 76gms, avg. 36min. led the league in rebounding and was All-NBA. Then Kobe and the front office begged him to sign long term.



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NourBGjkEFA/UcyHJ9J2f5I/AAAAAAAAHvg/oHVJH7mrRcQ/s1600/lakers.stay.dwight.howard.billboard.d12.staples.ce nter.hollywood.blvd.jpg

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https://media.giphy.com/media/26vUtHcxTO8Ufjems/giphy.gif

Kobe ^^^^

[AirTupac]

1 barely healthy Dwight. Congrats. Talk about the other posts on the last page bro. :roll:

[sdot_thadon]

why are you comparing current lebron to post achilles rupture kobe


kobe played with other injuries his entire career you absolute f*cktard


playing on one leg in year 20 is 10000000 times more difficult than playing with a strained groin in year 16


jesus h f*cking christ.. get a f*cking clue

:oldlol:
way too sensitive there pal. im saying 34 year old kobe will have the same results if hes out 18 games. He's lost plenty of games due to his play as well but his stans rewrite the story as killer instinct, go down firing, bbbut he stil got 30 doe etc.

[Hey Yo]

1 barely healthy Dwight. Congrats. Talk about the other posts on the last page bro. :roll:
Barely healthy?? ..... :roll:

What's there to talk about? People said Dwight was garbage to prop up Kobe and all I did was provide facts to prove otherwise.

Then meltdowns from you and Kenny ensued cause you were left holding the L's

[AirTupac]

100% this. These retards are bringing up stats as if its the ultimate indicator of how Howard was playing..


"Howard had back surgery earlier in April, and the Lakers had acquired him with the possibility that he might be out until December or January. He did not play basketball until training camp in October."



"The Lakers starting lineup at the start of the regular season was the leagues oldest"

These guys are bringing up Gasol as an argument? Is that why he was replaced by EARL CLARK for a majority of the season? EARL CLARK was starting at one point because 1) Gasol was not the same 2) D'Antoni was playing him wrong



OH YEAH. Metta World Peace had a serious knee surgery after the allstar break that was supposed to sideline him for 6-8 weeks but came back in 2 weeks (SOMEHOW) just to try and support the team. Artest looked REALLY bad because he rushed coming backk.


OH YEAH BTW: World Peace played 15 minutes in the game, returning 12 days after his surgery though initial estimates were six weeks. In his absence, D'Antoni was using a reduced seven-man rotation with Bryant playing close to all 48 minutes each game

The 7 man rotation? Earl Clark, Dwight, Gasol, Steve Blake, Artest, Jodie Meeks, Atwan Jamison with a bench of Devin Ebanks, Robert Sacre, Chris Duhon, Darius Morris.

So tell me how does that team full of allstars do? Earl Clark, Steve Blake starting. Some games Darius Morris would start!!!!



Refute some points bro...

[NBASTATMAN]

Barely healthy?? ..... :roll:

What's there to talk about? People said Dwight was garbage to prop up Kobe and all I did was provide facts to prove otherwise.

Then meltdowns from you and Kenny ensued cause you were left holding the L's


Dhoward was an ALL NBA PLAYER THAT SEASON.. And the neXT.. :roll:

Pau made all NBA after he left KOBRICK too.. :lol

[PickernRoller]

Landslide poll. :eek: