is it possible to have a great career and not be a great player

[kennethgriffen]

thinking back i can name a bunch of guys

- Lebron James
- Clyde Drexler
- Bob Cousy
- Carmelo Anthony
- Pau Gasol
- Dwight Howard
- Adrian Dantley
- Russell Westbrook



all these guys are hall of famers

why? i dunno... they're completely average IMO ... simply put in the right place at the right time with enough touches/opportunities. but in most cases all of these guys should have never made it to the level they achieved



and then theres guys who were great players that didn't have great careers or had lesser careers due to injuries/circumstances/opportunities not being in their favor

- Tracy Mcgrady
- Pete Maravich
- Grant Hill
- Mitch Richmond
- Penny Hardaway
- Gilbert Arenas
- Manu Ginobili
- Chris Webber


this 2nd list of 8 guys is vastly superior than the first list of 8 guys

yet the 2nd list may only have 3-4 hall of famers while all 8 on the first list are getting in

some guys are just luckier than others. and sometimes that makes all the difference

[Callystarr]

thinking back i can name a bunch of guys

- Lebron James
- Clyde Drexler
- Bob Cousy
- Carmelo Anthony
- Pau Gasol
- Dwight Howard
- Adrian Dantley
- Russell Westbrook



all these guys are hall of famers

why? i dunno... they're completely average IMO ... simply put in the right place at the right time with enough touches/opportunities. but in most cases all of these guys should have never made it to the level they achieved



and then theres guys who were great players that didn't have great careers or had lesser careers due to injuries/circumstances/opportunities not being in their favor

- Tracy Mcgrady
- Pete Maravich
- Grant Hill
- Mitch Richmond
- Penny Hardaway
- Gilbert Arenas
- Manu Ginobili
- Chris Webber


this 2nd list of 8 guys is vastly superior than the first list of 8 guys

yet the 2nd list may only have 3-4 hall of famers while all 8 on the first list are getting in

some guys are just luckier than others. and sometimes that makes all the difference

:wtf:

[Mr. Jabbar]

OP took the friken RED PILL all the way. :applause:

Congrats bro, thread makes me proud.

[Manny98]

Mods?

[SouBeachTalents]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

[stalkerforlife]

OP has an advanced mind.

Limitless.

[baudkarma]

Congratulations, you've just now realized that life is not fair.

[AlternativeAcc.]

For someone whose been trolling for a decade, this is just beyond pathetic even for your low standards.

We're all embarrassed for you. Kblaze will be in shortly to lock the thread.

[Callystarr]

For someone whose been trolling for a decade, this is just beyond pathetic even for your low standards.

We're all embarrassed for you. Kblaze will be in shortly to lock the thread.

:lol

[Rico2016]

17 wins
6/24
1 MVP in 20 years

[kennethgriffen]

For someone whose been trolling for a decade, this is just beyond pathetic even for your low standards.

We're all embarrassed for you. Kblaze will be in shortly to lock the thread.



so you think its a made up idea that a player can be better than someone else who had a better career?


you think dwight howard was a better player than chris webber?


you think lebron james was a better pure basketball player than a prime tmac/ prime grant hill/ prime mitch richmond???


manu ginobili on the miami heat wins that 2011 title. period



any of those guys i listed gets this lakers team to the playoffs. PERIOD

[kennethgriffen]

17 wins
6/24
1 MVP in 20 years


17 wins in his 20th season on 1 leg with tanking orders to get ingram

debunked

6 for 24 and took over the last 15 minutes of the game. won the title and finals mvp

debunked

shaq/hakeem/oscar have 1 mvp... nash has 2

debunked

[Manny98]

so you think its a made up idea that a player can be better than someone else who had a better career?


you think dwight howard was a better player than chris webber?


you think lebron james was a better pure basketball player than a prime tmac/ prime grant hill/ prime mitch richmond???


manu ginobili on the miami heat wins that 2011 title. period



any of those guys i listed gets this lakers team to the playoffs. PERIOD
Do you think Mitch Ritchmond and Gilbert Arenas can get this team to the finals

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2007.html

[kennethgriffen]

Do you think Mitch Ritchmond and Gilbert Arenas can get this team to the finals

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2007.html


all lebron had to do was fluke out one god damn series you absolute f*ckwit


baron davis took the 07 warriors to a series win over the #1 seed mavericks


it happens


hell yes any of those guys i listed can upset the pistons without ben wallace


prime webber would f*ck up that old fat piston version of himself

:roll:

[Rico2016]

Why did ESPN rank Kobe outside of the top 10 and give him the nickname 12be

[kennethgriffen]

Why did ESPN rank Kobe outside of the top 10 and give him the nickname 12be


because they hire people like you to make lists to push an agenda


people are either kobe fans or lebron fans. theres no inbetween


if i ran things at espn i'd hire all kobe stans to make bogus lists too


its common sense

[Rico2016]

because they hire people like you to make lists to push an agenda


people are either kobe fans or lebron fans. theres no inbetween


if i ran things at espn i'd hire all kobe stans to make bogus lists too


its common sense

Oh is that why :(

Scrollbe :(

[Rico2016]

Why did ESPN rank Kobe outside of the top 10 and give him the nickname 12be

So Ken what is your answer again?

[Manny98]

all lebron had to do was fluke out one god damn series you absolute f*ckwit


baron davis took the 07 warriors to a series win over the #1 seed mavericks


it happens


hell yes any of those guys i listed can upset the pistons without ben wallace


prime webber would f*ck up that old fat piston version of himself

:roll:
So you admit that Gilbert Arenas > Kobe since Kobe couldn't beat the Pistons?

[kennethgriffen]

So you admit that Gilbert Arenas > Kobe since Kobe couldn't beat the Pistons?


peak gilbert arenas was playing at a higher level than 04 kobe. i can admit that much


he was coming off major shoulder/knee surgeries that made him look like half the player he was in 03


at the time the lakers had ZERO shooters to spread the floor. the pistons just collapsed on kobe. he'd pass it out and guys like george/payton couldn't do anything. shaqs averages were up because they let him get his and focussed on kobe ( larry brown admitted this )


they were a vastly better team in 04 than they were in 07 .. sheed was near the end of his career averaging 12ppg on 42%. big ben was gone. webber retired the next season..he was finished... they weren't the same



get a clue. stop being so damn retarded all the time

[NBASTATMAN]

Kobe had a great career but never deserved the MVP that was stolen from CP3 that season.. So yea Kobe had a great career but never played at MVP level for an entire season..

[NBASTATMAN]

So you admit that Gilbert Arenas > Kobe since Kobe couldn't beat the Pistons?
:roll: :applause: :cheers: :lol


This guys threads always backfire.. :banana:

[kennethgriffen]

:roll: :applause: :cheers: :lol


This guys threads always backfire.. :banana:


you spoke too soon simon. you should know i always have logic prepared to combat the idiocy of bran stans

[NBASTATMAN]

peak gilbert arenas was playing at a higher level than 04 kobe. i can admit that much


he was coming off major shoulder/knee surgeries that made him look like half the player he was in 03


at the time the lakers had ZERO shooters to spread the floor. the pistons just collapsed on kobe. he'd pass it out and guys like george/payton couldn't do anything. shaqs averages were up because they let him get his and focussed on kobe ( larry brown admitted this )




The current Lakers have no shooting and are the worse 3pt shooting team in the league . So Lebron should be celebrated in his efforts because he has no SHaq , Payton or Malone.. And Walton is no PJ.. :lol

Furthermore, Lebron is the leading three point shooter on the team and he missed 18 games..

In the last 13 games the Lakers are -9 when Lebron goes off the floor for a break.. And about even when is on the floor ..

Kenneth you cant have it both ways you IDIOT..

[kennethgriffen]

The current Lakers have no shooting and are the worse 3pt shooting team in the league . So Lebron should be celebrated in his efforts because he has no SHaq , Payton or Malone.. And Walton is no PJ.. :lol

Furthermore, Lebron is the leading three point shooter on the team and he missed 18 games..

In the last 13 games the Lakers are -9 when Lebron goes off the floor for a break.. And about even when is on the floor ..

Kenneth you cant have it both ways you IDIOT..


the current lakers aren't losing to the 04 pistons


they're losing to the last place phoenix suns

[Kblaze8855]

why? i dunno... they're completely average IMO

That alone makes this a troll topic.

[NBASTATMAN]

peak gilbert arenas was playing at a higher level than 04 kobe. i can admit that much


Kenneth is finally writing the truth.. :lol

[NBASTATMAN]

the current lakers aren't losing to the 04 pistons


they're losing to the last place phoenix suns

Because they have no shooting .. And once Lebron is off the floor they scuk .. Rondo is either still hurt or purposely playing like shit cuz he is the worse ..


PROOF

https://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?VsPlayerID=2544&TeamID=1610612747&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateFrom=01%2F31%2F2019&DateTo=03%2F03%2F2019



https://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?VsPlayerID=200765&TeamID=1610612747&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateFrom=01%2F31%2F2019&DateTo=03%2F03%2F2019

[kennethgriffen]

That alone makes this a troll topic.


so delete this thread and all 20 of simons he makes every f*cking day


have you EVER gone into one of his threads and said "this is trolling"


no.. you leave them up.

why doesn't the report button work anymore

why does he still have a million alts. why do you bring up alts i havent signed in with in 3-4 years+ as an example why i can't complain


who f*cking cares if this is a troll topic. thats all this dumbass board is all about. i stopped making threads on here for a month out of spite. then i make one and you're calling me out for trolling?


give me a f*cking break

[Rico2016]

Kobe had a great career but never deserved the MVP that was stolen from CP3 that season.. So yea Kobe had a great career but never played at MVP level for an entire season..

Yowza :eek:

[Manny98]

so delete this thread and all 20 of simons he makes every f*cking day


have you EVER gone into one of his threads and said "this is trolling"


no.. you leave them up.

why doesn't the report button work anymore

why does he still have a million alts. why do you bring up alts i havent signed in with in 3-4 years+ as an example why i can't complain


who f*cking cares if this is a troll topic. thats all this dumbass board is all about. i stopped making threads on here for a month out of spite. then i make one and you're calling me out for trolling?


give me a f*cking break
What a beautiful meltdown :roll:

[kennethgriffen]

Kenneth is finally writing the truth.. :lol


i've always spoken the truth. i truly do believe peak gilbert arenas is better than an injured kobe

i truly do believe that first list of players in the OP are overrated clowns


sure its trolling. but its truthful trolling. i said it because i believe it and i know it will piss you off

[NBASTATMAN]

i've always spoken the truth. i truly do believe peak gilbert arenas is better than an injured kobe



:applause: :rockon: :roll: :cheers: :banana:

[TheCorporation]

so delete this thread and all 20 of simons he makes every f*cking day


have you EVER gone into one of his threads and said "this is trolling"


no.. you leave them up.

why doesn't the report button work anymore

why does he still have a million alts. why do you bring up alts i havent signed in with in 3-4 years+ as an example why i can't complain


who f*cking cares if this is a troll topic. thats all this dumbass board is all about. i stopped making threads on here for a month out of spite. then i make one and you're calling me out for trolling?


give me a f*cking break

Holy meltdown Batman

[kennethgriffen]

:applause: :rockon: :roll: :cheers: :banana:


how is this some crazy groundbreaking news for you


peak gilbert was an assassin

he's better than lebron ever was offensively

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9VTl528e0g

[Kblaze8855]

so delete this thread and all 20 of simons he makes every f*cking day


have you EVER gone into one of his threads and said "this is trolling"


no.. you leave them up.

why doesn't the report button work anymore

why does he still have a million alts. why do you bring up alts i havent signed in with in 3-4 years+ as an example why i can't complain


who f*cking cares if this is a troll topic. thats all this dumbass board is all about. i stopped making threads on here for a month out of spite. then i make one and you're calling me out for trolling?


give me a f*cking break


As usual...you talk out your ass. You have no idea whats left up because you cant see deleted topics.

I called this a troll topic because it is...as you admitted.

You made a topic on Lebrons playoffs...it get deleted? The one before complaining about how many Lebron topics there are....after you made several of them and made several since.I didnt delete it but jeff got rid of it and all the troll topics going on at the time after a while.

I say you have no leg to stand on generally because you come on here to troll...and complain about other people trolling. You troll...act like its in reaction to them. They troll...act like its in reaction to you. Only they dont act shocked and appalled by the state of the board while making it the way it is.

You cant complain about trolling while trolling.

Bottom line....it cant be one or the other that goes. If you go...they have to go. If they go...you go. Youre two sides of the same troll.

But im biased against you....when im the one who removed your perma ban in the first place. And not for the first time either.

Im always trying to hold you down though....while being the only reason you even exist here.

I dont generally mind you as much as you probably think. I dont care about opposing opinions or what anyone says to or about me. I just wont take your complaints about trolling serious while youre making topics abut all time greats being average.

[sdot_thadon]

https://i.imgur.com/VlArQpi.png

[kennethgriffen]

As usual...you talk out your ass. You have no idea whats left up because you cant see deleted topics.

I called this a troll topic because it is...as you admitted.

You made a topic on Lebrons playoffs...it get deleted? The one before complaining about how many Lebron topics there are....after you made several of them and made several since.I didnt delete it but jeff got rid of it and all the troll topics going on at the time after a while.

I say you have no leg to stand on generally because you come on here to troll...and complain about other people trolling. You troll...act like its in reaction to them. They troll...act like its in reaction to you. Only they dont act shocked and appalled by the state of the board while making it the way it is.

You cant complain about trolling while trolling.

Bottom line....it cant be one or the other that goes. If you go...they have to go. If they go...you go. Youre two sides of the same troll.

But im biased against you....when im the one who removed your perma ban in the first place. And not for the first time either.

Im always trying to hold you down though....while being the only reason you even exist here.

I dont generally mind you as much as you probably think. I dont care about opposing opinions or what anyone says to or about me. I just wont take your complaints about trolling serious while youre making topics abut all time greats being average.


i can pretty much guarantee that for every 1 troll thread i create theres 100 others created by simon

to say i can't complain is ridiculous. trollings fun sometimes. but filling 80% of the front page with it is nonsense


you always had a hard time giving context to anything so i understand

[bullettooth]

Mitch Richmond is a weird one... he never really had a bad career, he was solid for a long time. Just didn't the accolades but was always near the top in the league... consistently too.

He did get his ring though (but he was old by then).

[kennethgriffen]

these are simons troll threads on the front page right now

Is RONDO purposely making the Lakers lose?
NBASTATMAN

How bad are Lakers? How great is LeBron? (Multi-page thread 1 2)
Rico2016

Kawhi, Durant, Draymond and then Starks, Hornacek, Ehlo (Multi-page thread 1 2 3)
Rico2016

What's the average IQ of LeBrons coaches?
Dray n Klay

Worst teammate of the year award? (WTOTY) (Multi-page thread 1 2)
Thread Rating: 4 votes, 3.00 average.Dray n Klay

ESPN posts top 20 (Multi-page thread 1 2 3 ... Last Page)
Rico2016

Kawhi, Kyrie, LeBron (Multi-page thread 1 2)
Rico2016

41-13-9-2 on 51% FG and 53% 3P
Thread Rating: 1 votes, 1.00 average.Rico2016



and you think i'm just as bad?

:lol

[Mr. Jabbar]

there must be some confusion here, op is not trolling

in fact this thread is one of those TRUTH BOMBS that will make stans and closet stans come out of the woodwork, good job op.

Ive screenshoted this in case it gets deleted so future generations educate themselves in the knowledge of players and their achievements

[Kblaze8855]

these are simons troll threads on the front page right now

Is RONDO purposely making the Lakers lose?
NBASTATMAN

How bad are Lakers? How great is LeBron? (Multi-page thread 1 2)
Rico2016

Kawhi, Durant, Draymond and then Starks, Hornacek, Ehlo (Multi-page thread 1 2 3)
Rico2016

What's the average IQ of LeBrons coaches?
Dray n Klay

Worst teammate of the year award? (WTOTY) (Multi-page thread 1 2)
Thread Rating: 4 votes, 3.00 average.Dray n Klay

ESPN posts top 20 (Multi-page thread 1 2 3 ... Last Page)
Rico2016

Kawhi, Kyrie, LeBron (Multi-page thread 1 2)
Rico2016

41-13-9-2 on 51% FG and 53% 3P
Thread Rating: 1 votes, 1.00 average.Rico2016



and you think i'm just as bad?

:lol



This is like the difference between being Ted Bundy and Pedro Lopez. Pedro has the numbers but they are essentially the same. Once you have killed dozens of people youre as crazy as youre gonna get.

Read up on that guy if you wanna ruin your day be the way. Raped and killed like 300 girls....