Has there ever been a chip comparable to 2016?

[Vino24]

Down 3-1, 73 win team, no all stars :biggums:

[Mr. Jabbar]

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[Vino24]

I don

[SouBeachTalents]

The Mavs is definitely up there

[Vino24]

The Mavs is definitely up there
While that is true it wasn

[Spurs m8]

2016 Cavs had 3 all star caliber players who beat 3 all star caliber players.

2011 had Dirk beating 3 all stars.

2011 smashes 2016.

[3ball]

Down 3-1, 73 win team, no all stars :biggums:
Lebron only needed 30 ppg and his sidekick carried an equal scoring load/defensive attention (27 ppg)

Whereas jordan scored 41 ppg and 20 more than his sidekick, so that's obviously way better/tougher load

Furthermore, lebron needed an extra perennial all-star for all his rings, whereas MJ won all 6 rings with 1 all-star.. MJ's teams would've been unbeatable with an extra star teammate like lebron had

And sorry, but beating soft NBA offspring like curry/klay is easier than beating Shaq/Penny..... or Magic/Worthy, or Malone/Stockton, or Barkley/KJ, or the Bad Boys and Knicks

Lebron never beat as many perennial all-stars as the bad boys, and again, needed an extra perennial all-star to win anything

Ultimately, lebron only averaged 27.2 and 7.2 apg during the 12/13/16 playoffs, while MJ needed 33.7 and 6.6 in 91-93' playoffs.
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[Spurs m8]

Lebron only needed 30 ppg and his sidekick carried an equal scoring load/defensive attention (27 ppg)

Whereas jordan scored 41 ppg and 20 more than his sidekick, so that's obviously way better/tougher load

Furthermore, lebron needed an extra perennial all-star for all his rings, whereas MJ won all 6 rings with 1 all-star.. MJ's teams would've been unbeatable with an extra star teammate like lebron had

And sorry, but beating soft NBA offspring like curry/klay is easier than beating Shaq/Penny..... or Magic/Worthy, or Malone/Stockton, or Barkley/KJ, or the Bad Boys and Knicks

Lebron never beat as many perennial all-stars as the bad boys, and again, needed an extra perennial all-star to win anything

Another classic 3ball ether.

[kennethgriffen]

dunno why this shit keeps getting brought up when its been debunked 100 times over

but...




the 2016 title was mostly due to kyrie. lebron stat padded in garbage time.

kyrie doubled lebrons output when the games weren't blow outs.





cavs first victory:

0-2 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 12 ft
0-4 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
0-6 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
4-13 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
4-19 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
6-21 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 20 ft
8-23 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 18 ft
10-25+2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 13 ft
10-30+3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 24 ft
13-33+3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 27 ft

game over... cavs never looked back


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cavs 2nd victory tied 61-61 at half time

K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft +2 63-61
L. James makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 67-64
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 9 ft +2 69-66
L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim +2 71-66
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 74-66
L. James makes 2-pt shot from 2 ft +2 77-71
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 28 ft (assist by L. James) +3 80-73
L. James makes 3-pt shot from 25 ft +3 89-80
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 9 ft +2 95-87
L. James makes 2-pt shot from 16 ft +2 97-88
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 8 ft +2 101-92
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 8 ft +2 104-96
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 14 ft +2 106-96
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 109-96


game over.. cavs never looked back



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cavs 3rd victory

0-4 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 13 ft
0-6 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
0-8 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 3 ft
2-11 +3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 28 ft
2-13 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
7-20 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 18 ft
9-26 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
13-34 +3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 27 ft
18-37 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 17 ft
26-43 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot at rim


game over ... cavs never looked back


all in all...

kyrie scored 51 points on 22 field goals in key moments
lebron scored 26 points on 12 field goals in key moments



then in the last 4 minutes of game 7 when everything was on the line. lebron disappeared. missing shot after shot after shot... then kyrie hit the biggest walk off championship winning shot in nba history.


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PuPEuwA4c-4/hqdefault.jpg

[sdot_thadon]

i don't think so, there's been other impressive ones but nothing like the odds they beat to win that one. Truly stands alone.

[kennethgriffen]

i don't think so, there's been other impressive ones but nothing like the odds they beat to win that one. Truly stands alone.


the 5-6 greatest titles are:

1975 barry
1977 walton
1979 DJ
1994 hakeem
2009 kobe
2011 dirk


they all had very little help

lebron had a 30ppg sidekick. the highest scoring 2nd option in history

[E_Stamkos]

OP is a bitch.

Nobody cares.

[SouBeachTalents]

the 5-6 greatest titles are:

1975 barry
1977 walton
1979 DJ
1994 hakeem
2009 kobe
2011 dirk


they all had very little help

lebron had a 30ppg sidekick. the highest scoring 2nd option in history
2003 Duncan >>>>> 2009 Kobe

[3ball]

No one had to score 10-20 more than their sidekick to win the Finals - only MJ carried that level of defensive attention, and it was in all his Finals

Only MJ had to get 30/5/5 in the Finals (34/6/6).. Only MJ had to be a Harden on offense and Kawhi on D.. only the goat

/thread
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[kennethgriffen]

2003 Duncan >>>>> 2009 Kobe


lol no.. robert horry gifted them that title


he shot 0% from 3 for the series and missed the would be series changing 3 after kobes historic comeback

robinson was still a great defensive player. parker was already starting and having big games.

they were built on team defense/coaching


from robinson to bowen to stephen jackson to claxton, willis, rose... even manu was there averaging 12ppg on 62%fg's for the lakers series. people forget he was already 25 years old in his first season. dude wasn't some typical rookie.

if duncan could have done that same shit without all that help he would have done it in 2001 and 2002 when parker/manu basically weren't around

[kennethgriffen]

No one had to score 10-20 more than their sidekick for all their Finals wins - only MJ carried that level of defensive attention

All of jordan's Finals are goat for that reason

Only MJ had to get 30/5/5 in the Finals (34/6/6).. Only MJ had to be a Harden on offense and Kawhi on D.. only the goat

/thread
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the bulls were built on defense though. pippen/grant defensive combo... then pippen/rodman


hard to beat. hes the arguable goat with kareem and russell but i can't say he carried a team of scrubs. all his title teams were perfectly built. he definitely put them over the top but they could win a ton of games without MJ

all 6 of jordans titles are above any of lebrons but none of mj's are as insane as kobes 09 or hakeems 94, dirks 2011 etc...

[SouBeachTalents]

lol no.. robert horry gifted them that title


he shot 0% from 3 for the series and missed the would be series changing 3 after kobes historic comeback

robinson was still a great defensive player. parker was already starting and having big games.

they were built on team defense/coaching


from robinson to bowen to stephen jackson to claxton, willis, rose... even manu was there averaging 12ppg on 62%fg's for the lakers series. people forget he was already 25 years old in his first season. dude wasn't some typical rookie.

if duncan could have done that same shit without all that help he would have done it in 2001 and 2002 when parker/manu basically weren't around
Parker averaged under 15 ppg on 47% TS in the playoffs. Manu averaged 9 ppg on 52% TS. Robinson had become a 23 mpg role player.

Meanwhile, All-NBA Gasol averaged 18/11/3 on 62% TS, Odom averaged 12/9 on 59% TS, Ariza chipped in 11 ppg on 61%TS with solid defense, and Fisher came through with some clutch shooting.

By any measure, Kobe's team in '09 was better than Duncan's in '03, and Duncan had to carry a significantly heavier burden, having to be his teams lead scorer, rebounder, playmaker, and defender

[egokiller]

Kyrie hit a game winning shot on an injured GSW team. If Lebron was as good as Kobe or MJ, he would have more than 1 asterisk ring on the Cavs after 11 seasons. He just isn

[3ball]

The bulls were built on defense though.


They had the #2 all-time offense in 1992

And also the #6, #12 and #16 offenses in 96/97/91.... that's the most top 10 and top 20 offenses of any player ever

MJ was simply the goat offensive player because he had goat offenses with weak offensive help (so weak that you said they were built on defense, not offense)





pippen/grant defensive combo... then pippen/rodman


Kobe is the inferior defender, and therefore needed more defensive help

MJ was the better defender, and therefore needed less help

And MJ is in the conversation for goat perimeter defender - so it wasn't the combo of grant/pippen.. it was MJ/Pippen





hes the arguable goat with kareem and russell


Kareem needed the 2nd-most help ever to win a ring..... and missed the playoffs all the time (didn't carry teams)

and russell needed the MOST help (7-10 hof teammates at one time), and wasn't a 2-way player

kareem and russell weren't in the conversation AT ALL until recently when lebron fans needed ways to bring down MJ.. so ur kind of falling for it... but compare Kareem's help to Kobe's - kobe needed WAY LESS help to win and is >> Kareem.. let alone MJ..





but i can't say he carried a team of scrubs. all his title teams were perfectly built. he definitely put them over the top but they could win a ton of games without MJ


89' pippen < current Ingram and kuzma, so how were the 6-seed bulls not scrubs in 89'?.. :biggums:

pippen averaged 9 on 40%, yet MJ carried that 6 seed to the conference finals and 6 games with the champs.. Kobe and lebron never carried a low seed to the conference finals or 6 games with the champs.. :confusedshrug:

Jordan also carried the 88' bulls to 50 wins and the 2nd round.. only in mj's first couple seasons did he struggle to carry a team, similar to lebron or Kobe's first few years.. MJ never missed the playoffs though (carried bad teams)





all 6 of jordans titles are above any of lebrons but none of mj's are as insane as kobes 09 or hakeems 94, dirks 2011 etc...


All of MJ"s are better because no one had to score 10-20 more than their sidekick to win the Finals - only MJ carried that level of defensive attention, and it was in all his Finals

Only MJ had to get 30/5/5 in the Finals (34/6/6).. Only MJ had to be a Harden on offense and Kawhi on D.. only the goat

[kennethgriffen]

Parker averaged under 15 ppg on 47% TS in the playoffs. Manu averaged 9 ppg on 52% TS. Robinson had become a 23 mpg role player.

Meanwhile, All-NBA Gasol averaged 18/11/3 on 62% TS, Odom averaged 12/9 on 59% TS, Ariza chipped in 11 ppg on 61%TS with solid defense, and Fisher came through with some clutch shooting.

By any measure, Kobe's team in '09 was better than Duncan's in '03, and Duncan had to carry a significantly heavier burden, having to be his teams lead scorer, rebounder, playmaker, and defender


they won with TEAM DEFENSE


they were a complete team top to bottom. it wasn't a 1 man band like with kobe/hakeem/rick/walton

[kennethgriffen]

They had the #2 all-time offense in 1992

And also the #6, #12 and #16 offenses in 96/97/91.... that's the most top 10 and top 20 offenses of any player ever

MJ was simply the goat offensive player because he had goat offenses with weak offensive help (so weak that you said they were built on defense, not offense)



Kobe is the inferior defender, and therefore needed more defensive help

MJ was the better defender, and therefore needed less help

And MJ is in the conversation for goat perimeter defender - so it wasn't the combo of grant/pippen.. it was MJ/Pippen



Kareem needed the 2nd-most help ever to win a ring..... and missed the playoffs all the time (didn't carry teams)

russell needed the MOST help (7-10 hof teammates at one time), and wasn't a 2-way player

Kareem and Russell weren't in the conversation AT ALL until recently when lebron fans needed ways to bring down MJ.. ur kind of falling for it - but compare Kareem's help to Kobe's - kobe needed WAY LESS help to win and is >> Kareem.. let alone MJ..



89' pippen < current Ingram, so how were the 6-seed bulls not scrubs in 89'?.. :biggums:

pippen averaging 9 on 40%, yet MJ carried that 6 seed to the conference finals and 6 games with the champs.. Kobe and lebron never carried a low seed to the conference finals or 6 games with the champs.. :confusedshrug:

Jordan also carried the 88' bulls to 50 wins and the 2nd round.. only in mj's first couple seasons did he struggle to carry a team, similar to lebron or Kobe's first few years.. MJ never missed the playoffs though



All of MJ"s are better because no one had to score 10-20 more than their sidekick to win the Finals - only MJ carried that level of defensive attention, and it was in all his Finals

Only MJ had to get 30/5/5 in the Finals (34/6/6).. Only MJ had to be a Harden on offense and Kawhi on D.. only the goat


na the bulls were a defensive juggernaut with a do it all playmaker in pippen. some of the best 3 point shooting role players in history and great low post defenders


good enough for 55 wins and an ECF appearance without a bad call


MJ put them over the top. he didn't make or break chicago

[3ball]

na the bulls were a defensive juggernaut with a do it all playmaker in pippen.


They had the #2 offense of all-time and MJ led the bulls in playoff assists





good enough for 55 wins and an ECF appearance without a bad call


Only after 3-peating and building goat teamwork, as any organic champion requires

But they barely missed the playoff cut in 1989, and were a lottery team without jordan's 33/8/8 - so MJ built this lottery team into a 3-peat champion with his goat stats/burden

And it wasn't a bad call.. it was pippen's 2nd horrific choke in that series.. his 3rd would be game 7





MJ put them over the top. he didn't make or break chicago


Only after he built them into a great team could they have a respectable level without him - that's true of any champion that builds the teamwork needed to win organically
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[tpols]

wheres that chart at that shows that '15 cavs were the 2nd best collection of projected talent in the past 30 years? (behind the '11 heat ironically enough hehe)


Just because Cleveland underachieved with all their lotto pick talent winning only 50 some odd games... and golden state excels with second rounders.. shattering records, doesnt mean the odds shouldve been as bad as they were. Yea the dubs were kicking cav ass thoroughly before the dray suspension and bogut injury that crippled their rim protection, but their dominance was predicated on superior relative teamwork. They were actually operating with less talent than the Lebron/Kyrie/Love big 3...

[3ball]

wheres that chart at that shows that '15 cavs were the 2nd best collection of projected talent in the past 30 years? (behind the '11 heat ironically enough hehe)


Just because Cleveland underachieved with all their lotto pick talent winning only 50 some odd games... and golden state excels with second rounders.. shattering records, doesnt mean the odds shouldve been as bad as they were. Yea the dubs were kicking cav ass thoroughly before the dray suspension and bogut injury that crippled their rim protection, but their dominance was predicated on superior relative teamwork. They were actually operating with less talent than the Lebron/Kyrie/Love big 3...


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[kentatm]

While that is true it wasn’t “shocking” like this series was. Mavs rolled thru a favorited Lakers squad

The 2011 Mavs are the ultimate Rodney Dangerfield of sports.

They were picked against in every single series that season. Even ****ing Portland had more sports writers picking them to beat Dallas. They whipped ass for the first part of the year, fought through major injuries to multiple starters (Butler, Dirk) and still won 57 games, beat the **** out of all comers in the Western conference playoffs including the back to back champ preordained Lakers and an OKC squad running Durant/Harden/Westbrook/Ibaka, turned around a series w/a 15 point 4th quarter comeback road win when Terry blew a gasket at Wade trying to style on them, and when they win the series in convincing 4-2 fashion all anyone wanted to talk about was LeBron failing. :facepalm :rolleyes: :no:

[sdot_thadon]

the 5-6 greatest titles are:

1975 barry
1977 walton
1979 DJ
1994 hakeem
2009 kobe
2011 dirk


they all had very little help

lebron had a 30ppg sidekick. the highest scoring 2nd option in history
so which one is it? Lebron ball doesn't allow anyone to play their game, or he had the highest scoring 2nd option in a finals? Or we are we gonna just this once bend one narrative to satisfy another? I don't care who you stan or hate 2016 has no precedent as a finals series. 73 win team up 3-1, leads both teams in all stats. Back to back 40 pointers facing elimination. This forum likes to harp on the record finals game scores from the series. Awesome shot by Kyrie, great block by Lebron, and Love playing the best defense of his life for a possession to seal the deal. It was an amazing moment for the game.

[Celtics 1825]

Personally I put 2011 above 2016. That Heat team was supposed to roll through the entire competition and easily grab the title. All of the big 3 were healthy and in their prime and were the clear favorites over the Mavs, plus Dirk was starting to decline (he was 33 right?) and the rest of that team was mostly older guys as well yet they still pulled it off in amazing fashion. 2016 was still great though, don't get me wrong.

[E_Stamkos]

The 2011 Mavs are the ultimate Rodney Dangerfield of sports.

They were picked against in every single series that season. Even ****ing Portland had more sports writers picking them to beat Dallas. They whipped ass for the first part of the year, fought through major injuries to multiple starters (Butler, Dirk) and still won 57 games, beat the **** out of all comers in the Western conference playoffs including the back to back champ preordained Lakers and an OKC squad running Durant/Harden/Westbrook/Ibaka, turned around a series w/a 15 point 4th quarter comeback road win when Terry blew a gasket at Wade trying to style on them, and when they win the series in convincing 4-2 fashion all anyone wanted to talk about was LeBron failing. :facepalm :rolleyes: :no:


Quite possibly my most enjoyable read ever to be posted here :applause:

Shir's poetic...

[stalkerforlife]

dunno why this shit keeps getting brought up when its been debunked 100 times over

but...




the 2016 title was mostly due to kyrie. lebron stat padded in garbage time.

kyrie doubled lebrons output when the games weren't blow outs.





cavs first victory:

0-2 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 12 ft
0-4 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
0-6 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
4-13 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
4-19 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
6-21 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 20 ft
8-23 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 18 ft
10-25+2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 13 ft
10-30+3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 24 ft
13-33+3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 27 ft

game over... cavs never looked back


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cavs 2nd victory tied 61-61 at half time

K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft +2 63-61
L. James makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 67-64
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 9 ft +2 69-66
L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim +2 71-66
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 74-66
L. James makes 2-pt shot from 2 ft +2 77-71
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 28 ft (assist by L. James) +3 80-73
L. James makes 3-pt shot from 25 ft +3 89-80
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 9 ft +2 95-87
L. James makes 2-pt shot from 16 ft +2 97-88
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 8 ft +2 101-92
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 8 ft +2 104-96
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 14 ft +2 106-96
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 109-96


game over.. cavs never looked back



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cavs 3rd victory

0-4 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 13 ft
0-6 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
0-8 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 3 ft
2-11 +3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 28 ft
2-13 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
7-20 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 18 ft
9-26 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
13-34 +3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 27 ft
18-37 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 17 ft
26-43 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot at rim


game over ... cavs never looked back


all in all...

kyrie scored 51 points on 22 field goals in key moments
lebron scored 26 points on 12 field goals in key moments



then in the last 4 minutes of game 7 when everything was on the line. lebron disappeared. missing shot after shot after shot... then kyrie hit the biggest walk off championship winning shot in nba history.


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PuPEuwA4c-4/hqdefault.jpg

This and 2016 was fixed.

[kennethgriffen]

so which one is it? Lebron ball doesn't allow anyone to play their game, or he had the highest scoring 2nd option in a finals? Or we are we gonna just this once bend one narrative to satisfy another? I don't care who you stan or hate 2016 has no precedent as a finals series. 73 win team up 3-1, leads both teams in all stats. Back to back 40 pointers facing elimination. This forum likes to harp on the record finals game scores from the series. Awesome shot by Kyrie, great block by Lebron, and Love playing the best defense of his life for a possession to seal the deal. It was an amazing moment for the game.


lebron bqll didnt inhibit kyrie because HES A POINT GUARD


he starts with the ball ... brings it up and isolates himself for a 1 on 1 play


how would lebrons shit effect kyrie dumby


:lol

[bigkingsfan]

1995 Rockets, not even close, they didn't have home-court once.

[FKAri]

The 2011 Mavs are the ultimate Rodney Dangerfield of sports.

They were picked against in every single series that season. Even ****ing Portland had more sports writers picking them to beat Dallas. They whipped ass for the first part of the year, fought through major injuries to multiple starters (Butler, Dirk) and still won 57 games, beat the **** out of all comers in the Western conference playoffs including the back to back champ preordained Lakers and an OKC squad running Durant/Harden/Westbrook/Ibaka, turned around a series w/a 15 point 4th quarter comeback road win when Terry blew a gasket at Wade trying to style on them, and when they win the series in convincing 4-2 fashion all anyone wanted to talk about was LeBron failing. :facepalm :rolleyes: :no:
Once Caron Butler went down, the Mavs were completely written off.

[Bronbron23]

Down 3-1, 73 win team, no all stars :biggums:
As a Bron fan I've never understood why other Bron fans thought cle was an underdog. Bron obviously coasts in the regular season so the warriors better record was irrelevant. When you look at the matchups the teams were very even. Bron is greater than curry. Kyrie is greater than Klay and green was a bit better than love. Warriors bench was a bit better but the fact that Bron is top 5 all time makes up for that.

[Odinn]

Parker averaged under 15 ppg on 47% TS in the playoffs. Manu averaged 9 ppg on 52% TS. Robinson had become a 23 mpg role player.

Meanwhile, All-NBA Gasol averaged 18/11/3 on 62% TS, Odom averaged 12/9 on 59% TS, Ariza chipped in 11 ppg on 61%TS with solid defense, and Fisher came through with some clutch shooting.

By any measure, Kobe's team in '09 was better than Duncan's in '03, and Duncan had to carry a significantly heavier burden, having to be his teams lead scorer, rebounder, playmaker, and defender
Why are you bothering with that troll? He talks Horry as if he was a Spur in 2002-03 while Horry was a Laker. ROFL.

[Vino24]

Anyone who says 2011 is just plain wrong. Heat won 50 something games and looked mortal all season. Warriors won 73 games and rolled through everyone. It's not even close.

[3ball]

Everyone else produced less than MJ to win their Finals, and commanded less defensive attention (they didn't score much more than their 2nd option)

For example:

Only MJ had to average 40 to win a Finals, or 20 more than their 2nd option

[sdot_thadon]

Everyone else produced less than MJ to win their Finals, and commanded less defensive attention (they didn't score much more than their 2nd option)

For example:

Only MJ had to average 40 to win a Finals, or 20 more than their 2nd option
Mj is one of the few top 10 players that never had to face a fellow top 10 guy or a dynasty in any finals......

[3ball]

Mj is one of the few top 10 players that never had to face a fellow top 10 guy or a dynasty in any finals......
Magic is top 5 and ranks higher than anyone lebron ever faced

Ditto Shaq

Lebron was a net negative in the 13' Finals.. so completely carried

Lebron also needed 2 all-stars for all his rings, compared to 1 for MJ.. And lebron only averaged 27.2 and 7.2 apg in the 12/13/16 playoffs, versus 33.7 and 6.6 for mj in the 91-93' Finals..

[Vino24]

Magic is top 5 and ranks higher than anyone lebron ever faced

Ditto Shaq

Lebron was a net negative in the 13' Finals.. so completely carried

Lebron also needed 2 all-stars for all his rings, compared to 1 for MJ.. And lebron only averaged 27.2 and 7.2 apg in the 12/13/16 playoffs, versus 33.7 and 6.6 for mj in the 91-93' Finals..
How come Jordan wasn't capable of leading everyone in every major statistic for an entire finals series?

[sdot_thadon]

Magic is top 5 and ranks higher than anyone lebron ever faced

Ditto Shaq

Lebron was a net negative in the 13' Finals.. so completely carried

Lebron also needed 2 all-stars for all his rings, compared to 1 for MJ.. And lebron only averaged 27.2 and 7.2 apg in the 12/13/16 playoffs, versus 33.7 and 6.6 for mj in the 91-93' Finals..
whoops missed Magic but the point still stands and What finals did Mj face Shaq in? I must have missed that one.

[sd3035]

Not really. As far as rigging goes, that's clearly number 1