Do you worship money?

[Ben Simmons 25]

I know a couple of people that seemingly worship money. They literally stress every cent that they spend and will try to haggle with people in situations that it's inappropriate to be haggling over and situations where it is not at all normal whatsoever... like arguing over the price of a box of cereal even though they know the price on the shelf... they treat every single monetary transaction as if it's time to barter and we're back in the Roman times in the open market place or some shit... and I'm not talking about lying, generally speaking, I'm talking about arguing and trying to negotiate EVERY SINGLE THING...

I mean, the people I know... they're so cheap that they'd do things such as, in the case of the woman, making sure she forces herself to go on dates when she has absolutely zero percent interest in on just so she can get a free dinner to cover the cost of her dating website's monthly fee... one of the guys arguing about how it's not his fault that the coupon he has is expired just to get an additional person bowling free of charge that he doesn't have to cover... another guy choosing a wedding venue directly off of an interstate location that's loud as **** in the downtown of a busy city just to save a few bucks... to begging for money on their wedding registry and not actually giving anyone a list of gifts to purchase...

I do think it's irresponsible and ridiculous to go the other direction in life... meaning... letting all of your money flow through your fingers... but... I think there's a healthy balance which is that you should be consistently saving money if it's AT ALL possible, which it almost always is... while still enjoying life.

Personally, I can't get behind the idea of saving every cent in every possible scenario to the point where you're missing out on life as a result. Sure, you get to retire more early but it's not like you get to take this shit with you when you die... is it really worth stressing every cent for 35-50 working years just to have a better life on the back end? Yeah, you're old and you've got less worries, but at what cost? What did you give up for those 35-50 years? You led a significantly lesser life across the prime of your life just to save a few bucks for later on that you can't take with you... it just seems stupid. But these people that I know aren't stupid... which is why it's strange...

So what is it about them that causes them to worship money? (lol)

Do you know people like this? Do you personally worship money?

What is your spending/saving philosophy?

Please, do tell...

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

No because a green piece of paper doesn't give you life or causes crops to grow.

[Ben Simmons 25]

Your name literally has "money" in the title of it. Thank u, next.

[Draz]

I'm personally trying to save until I hit $100k which I'm projected to hit in 6 months. I'm always eating out, going places, treating myself and friends and I'm not penny pinching. When it comes to spoiling myself, eating out, doing shit, I never regret or look at the cost.

I believe once I hit that goal, I'll be much better mentally. I just want this cushion to look at and fall back on. After that it's everything I save after I'll get a nice car, a better apartment, maybe a house.

The problem is, once you have something (I.e. a car) you want a nicer one. You always want something better than what you already have. I'll just be gunning for better paying positions and working on solidifying myself.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Yes.

Money is freedom. I love freedom

[Uncle Drew]

Your name literally has "money" in the title of it. Thank u, next.
Lmao.

[Rocket]

I can't stand money. Any time I get some I get rid of it as fast as I can. :oldlol:


On a serious note, no I do not worship money. I worship my Lord and Savior. Money cannot buy happiness. Many rich people are miserable and can never fill that emptiness dept inside with material things.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

I can't stand money. Any time I get some I get rid of it as fast as I can. :oldlol:


On a serious note, no I do not worship money. I worship my Lord and Savior. Money cannot buy happiness. Many rich people are miserable and can never fill that emptiness dept inside with material things.

Would you be so kind as to point to one Bible verse where Jesus himself (not his Apostles) claims that he is Lord?


And I invite you to consider putting thought into the following ayats.


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[warriorfan]

Have you ever seen that show extreme cheapskates lol? It

[Smoke117]

Nah, I worship ethanol.

[macmac]

Money is great but it

[Skip_Bayless]

I know a couple of people that seemingly worship money. They literally stress every cent that they spend and will try to haggle with people in situations that it's inappropriate to be haggling over and situations where it is not at all normal whatsoever... like arguing over the price of a box of cereal even though they know the price on the shelf... they treat every single monetary transaction as if it's time to barter and we're back in the Roman times in the open market place or some shit... and I'm not talking about lying, generally speaking, I'm talking about arguing and trying to negotiate EVERY SINGLE THING...

I mean, the people I know... they're so cheap that they'd do things such as, in the case of the woman, making sure she forces herself to go on dates when she has absolutely zero percent interest in on just so she can get a free dinner to cover the cost of her dating website's monthly fee... one of the guys arguing about how it's not his fault that the coupon he has is expired just to get an additional person bowling free of charge that he doesn't have to cover... another guy choosing a wedding venue directly off of an interstate location that's loud as **** in the downtown of a busy city just to save a few bucks... to begging for money on their wedding registry and not actually giving anyone a list of gifts to purchase...

I do think it's irresponsible and ridiculous to go the other direction in life... meaning... letting all of your money flow through your fingers... but... I think there's a healthy balance which is that you should be consistently saving money if it's AT ALL possible, which it almost always is... while still enjoying life.

Personally, I can't get behind the idea of saving every cent in every possible scenario to the point where you're missing out on life as a result. Sure, you get to retire more early but it's not like you get to take this shit with you when you die... is it really worth stressing every cent for 35-50 working years just to have a better life on the back end? Yeah, you're old and you've got less worries, but at what cost? What did you give up for those 35-50 years? You led a significantly lesser life across the prime of your life just to save a few bucks for later on that you can't take with you... it just seems stupid. But these people that I know aren't stupid... which is why it's strange...

So what is it about them that causes them to worship money? (lol)

Do you know people like this? Do you personally worship money?

What is your spending/saving philosophy?

Please, do tell...

Get the hell out of your current social circle and fast. It's sounds toxic. You know American's acting like this? When I go into a store I pay the price. If I don't like the price, I shop around. I don't waste my time bartering like some fvcktard in a 3rd world county pretending that I'm not an American.

There's always some *** stain bragging about how they put 35% in their 401K and maxed out their Roth IRA. Meanwhile they are driving an old POS car when they can afford a much newer one and adding hassle in their life constantly having to fix it. Then there's the ones with 4 cyl cars bragging to each other how much their mpg is and how much they saved that month on gas. I mean years and years of data showing how much they saved so that they can justify owning a slow car instead of something with actual power that can potentially save their life by getting out of a bad situation quickly. They get really pissed when someone who lives in NY for example says "I don't pay anything for gas... I don't need a car to get around." It's pretty funny and sad at the same time.

[Jasper]

some what long , but I will shorten it-

My step father and mother budgeted everything , and when my mum died recently in her budget book she wrote everything down , including spending $1 on a lottery ticket :confusedshrug:

Now back track to my step father :
Living in a cabin 20-24' he stressed saving money and became a savvy buyer of
stocks and bonds. He taught me 2 lessons :
1) You have to take a chance in life , to make money.
(out of your comfort zone , makes a conservative gamble)
2) Money makes money
(you have to spend money to make money)

I bought a farm by doing a double mortgage back in the Bush adm. when farms out in the Dakota's were being reclaimed by banks (foreclosures)
I bought the farm for the cost of a used pickup.
It has now quadrupled in price.
The double mortgage is long gone , sold that house and live in my retirement home.

I planned for a few years how I was going to pull this all off retiring at 57.
5 pension checks , and next year S.S. will literally give me more income , than when I worked.
I plan on spending what I have , cause I plan to live only ONCE.
What I have left will be donated to charities.
My point is why should I give money to family members that have never learned how to save for them selves.... I worked hard in my life and I can do what I want with what I have earned.

[HylianNightmare]

Yes

[kennethgriffen]

i worship happiness


and money helps attain that more than any other singular entity

[Prometheus]

"The disenchanted cosmos impoverishes the collective psyche in the most global way, vitiating its spiritual and moral imagination--"vitiate" not only in the sense of diminish and impair but also in the sense of deform and debase. In such a context, everything can be appropriated. Nothing is immune. Majestic vistas of nature, great works of art, revered music, eloquent language, the beauty of the human body, distant lands and cultures, extraordinary moments of history, the arousal of deep human emotion: all become advertising tools to manipulate consumer response. For quite literally, in a disenchanted cosmos, nothing is sacred. The soul of the world has been extinguished: Ancient trees and forests can then be seen as nothing but potential lumber; mountains nothing but mineral deposits; seashores and deserts are oil reserves; lakes and rivers, engineering tools. Animals are perceived as harvestable commodities, indigenous tribes as obstructing relics of an outmoded past, children's minds as marketing targets. At the all-important cosmological level, the spiritual dimension of the empirical universe has been entirely negated, and with it, any publicly affirmable encompassing ground for moral wisdom and restraint. The short term and the bottom line rule all. Whether in politics, business, or the media, the lowest common denominator of the culture increasingly governs discourse and prescribes the values of the whole. Myopically obsessed with narrow goals and narrow identities, the powerful blind themselves to the larger suffering and crisis of the global community.

In a world where the subject is experienced as living in--and above and against--a world of objects, other peoples and cultures are more readily perceived as simply other objects, inferior in value to oneself, to ignore or exploit for one's own purposes, as are other forms of life, biosystems, the planetary whole. Moreover, the underlying anxiety and disorientation that pervade modern societies in the face of a meaningless cosmos create both a collective psychic numbness and a desperate spiritual hunger, leading to an addictive, insatiable craving for ever more material goods to fill the inner emptiness and producing a manic techno-consumerism that cannibalizes the planet. Highly practical consequences ensue from the disenchanted modern world view."

-Richard Tarnas






No, I think worshipping money is both deeply foolish and profoundly destructive.

[tpols]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]Have you ever seen that show extreme cheapskates lol? It

[egokiller]

The way I look at it it makes no sense to waste mental energy trying to reduce minor costs...at that point youd be better off thinking about how to make more.

That's called proper time management. :applause:

[warriorfan]

The way I look at it it makes no sense to waste mental energy trying to reduce minor costs...at that point youd be better off thinking about how to make more.

Big time. Like I said before they have some sort of mental block that is going on to not let them realize it. It

[asd]

I know people who lived waaay under their means and invested all of their money. As a result, they retired young, travel, sit on the beach without a care in the world.

Not wanting to waste money does not equate to worshipping money.

There are kids starving in Africa. I don

[NBAplayoffs2001]

As long as I can make a comfortable living. My goal is to be making 150K-180K in my mid 30s :cheers: in corporate America. A lot of my cousins make around 100-200K w/ just bachelor degrees and a lot of job movement (to improve their CV).

I would rather have a really cool job I really like making 90K-120K rather than something 200K+ doing something I hate.

[DukeDelonte13]

i don't think of being frugal as worshipping money. I think being materialistic is worshipping money. Like taking out a loan for a car you can't afford to show off to other people that "you made it" or whatever.

[Hawker]

No because a green piece of paper doesn't give you life or causes crops to grow.

Savings creates capital which creates crops...so yes it does cause crops to grow.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Savings creates capital which creates crops...so yes it does cause crops to grow.

Capital is neither necessary nor sufficient.

Plants grow without human involvement and capital.

AND

Human capital is not the force that initiates the splitting of the plants seed nor its photosynthesis nor it's growth.

Thus you have confused causation with correlation

[Hawker]

Capital is neither necessary nor sufficient.

Plants grow without human involvement and capital.

AND

Human capital is not the force that initiates the splitting of the plants seed nor its photosynthesis nor it's growth.

Thus you have confused causation with correlation

You're substituting plants with crops which isn't what you initially said. Sure a crop is a plant but a plant isnt necessarily a crop.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

You're substituting plants with crops which isn't what you initially said. Sure a crop is a plant but a plant isnt necessarily a crop.

The message I meant to convey is that the food that we eat and need to live is created, sustained and nourished by God----and the green paper we use for monetary exchange is a medium that does not affect the growth of the plant.

My apologies for using the incorrect vocabulary.

[Hawker]

The message I meant to convey is that the food that we eat and need to live is created, sustained and nourished by God----and the green paper we use for monetary exchange is a medium that does not affect the growth of the plant.

My apologies for using the incorrect vocabulary.

Ok that's fine. Make more threads like how to help young men. I liked that one.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Ok that's fine. Make more threads like how to help young men. I liked that one.

Right---men are getting screwed over left and right in America.

There has to be action done for their welfare intellectually, socially, spiritually, emotionally.


One thing that you can introduce--as a viewer of Peterson's video is the necessity for possessing personal responsibility over a victim mentality.