20 years from now, how will 3 FMVPs look compared to 6?

[Skip_Bayless]

With Durant on pace to get his 3rd FMVP and the NBA allowing stacked teams, we could realistically see 3-4 more players get that many FMVPs in the next 20 years. So what does it mean when you have 7 or 8 guys each with 3 FMVPs and one guy with 6? As time goes on, all it will do is enlarge the gap between MJ and everyone else. LeBron at the moment is less than half the player MJ is now, but the more players that wind up with 3, the less impressive 3 FMVPs looks compared to 6.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClXdOhhWkAA3H_f.jpg

[Rico2016]

I'd have to look at competition you know?

What was the best team Michael Jordan ever beat?

[bullettooth]

I'd have to look at competition you know?

9 straight finals appearances coming out of the G League to not even making the playoffs once in the West.

That's embarrassing.

[Skip_Bayless]

I'd have to look at competition you know?

What was the best team Michael Jordan ever beat?

You'd have to look at more than that. What did Michael Jordan have to go through to beat the team in the other conference, how good were those teams, was actual defense allowed to be played (can you touch a player without getting the foul called), how many flops were recorded that season, did he play on a team that involved collusion,....the list goes on.

Once you open that Pandoras box then you really increase the gap between MJ and the next guy.

[Rico2016]

9 straight finals appearances coming out of the G League to not even making the playoffs once in the West.

That's embarrassing.

Not sure who did that in the G-league, but...is that more embarrassing than 1-9 because that actually happened

or 0-6 (vs Larry Bird)

or a losing record against Bird and Isaiah Thomas

or being passed in every playoff stat by LeBron

or...I could go on?

[bullettooth]

Not sure who did that in the G-league, but...is that more embarrassing than 1-9 because that actually happened

or 0-6 (vs Larry Bird)

or a losing record against Bird and Isaiah Thomas

or being passed in every playoff stat by LeBron

or...I could go on?

You think it's difficult to get all those stats against G league players?

[Manny98]

2016 finals alone is worth 4 of MJs FMVPs

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oEjHNQ2nkJB74VwFW/giphy.gif

[soots]

The only questionable fmvp Duncan has was 2005. He should have won 07 and 14.

He beat the miami super friends and the shaq kobe duo. Not only beat them, but beat them into submission, with LA splitting aftwewards and heatles disbanding. Thats 3 top 10 players he retired.

[bullettooth]

2016 finals alone is worth 4 of MJs FMVPs

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oEjHNQ2nkJB74VwFW/giphy.gif

Context:

Igoudala: hurt
Curry: hurt
Draymond: suspended
Bogut: out

Still required 7 games + Kyrie bailout

[Manny98]

Context:

Igoudala: hurt
Curry: hurt
Draymond: suspended
Bogut: out

Still required 7 games + Kyrie bailout
Context:


73 win team
Down 3-1
Love: hurt











https://i.postimg.cc/tT2BgLr9/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d.jpg

[Big164]

I'd have to look at competition you know?

What was the best team Michael Jordan ever beat?
Weakest version of the Warriors before they were even a superteam.

[Skip_Bayless]

Didn't Kyrie do just as well as LeBron in game 5 and shoot better? I think those guys combined for 82 points. All that says is that they weren't playing a very good team if 2 players can combine for that much in a finals game. Show me at least 3 games in finals history where 2 players have combined to score 82 or more. If you can't then coming back from 3-1 and them being a 73 win team doesn't mean anything. All that matters is what kind of state were they in during the entire finals series. Who was injured, who was suspended, who scored on them and how efficiently, etc.

[bullettooth]

Context:


73 win team
Down 3-1
Love: hurt

https://i.postimg.cc/tT2BgLr9/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d.jpg

And all it took was a stripped down opponent but you will NEVER acknowledge that.

[k0kakw0rld]

One dominated plumbers, farmers and poker players. The other is dominating a league full of mini Jordans, (athletic freaks) :eek:

[Skip_Bayless]

It's universally understood that MJ would dominate anyone he played against because his game is based on how good his competition is * a certain factor.

So if you drop him in the NBA at 18 years old in 2003, he's going to still find a way to dominate everyone. You know this based on his mentality and the fact that he has the genetic gifts to pull it off. By contrast, LeBron just has the gentic gifs. He doesn't have the killer mentality. It's enough to get him respectable stats, but he'd never do what an MJ would do if they both started off at the same time. This equally holds true if LeBron was drafted when MJ was back in 84. LeBron would not be as successful as MJ. His mentality prohibits him from doing so. Such concepts are very easy to understand and universally understood. It's embarrassing that I even have to go into such detail on something that should easily be grasped by all.

[Rico2016]

Context:


73 win team
Down 3-1
Love: hurt











https://i.postimg.cc/tT2BgLr9/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d.jpg

ITS OVA

[Rico2016]

One dominated plumbers, farmers and poker players. The other is dominating a league full of mini Jordans, (athletic freaks) :eek:

Precisely.

Without context Bill Russell would be best with 11 chips, but we know that's not true, just like just because Jordan has more he's not the goat either.

Who did he beat

[Skip_Bayless]

Precisely.

Without context Bill Russell would be best with 11 chips, but we know that's not true, just like just because Jordan has more he's not the goat either.

Who did he beat

Already covered.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13628885&postcount=15

One man did enough on his team to win 6 times and get 6 FMVPs, the other man did enough to lose 6 times and give up the FMVP to 5 different opposing players.

Neither controlled who they played against in the finals.

[ArbitraryWater]

Context:

Igoudala: hurt
Curry: hurt
Draymond: suspended
Bogut: out

Still required 7 games + Kyrie bailout

Context: Igoudala: not hurt
Curry: not hurt
Draymond: suspended 1 game
Bogut: missing 2 games

Irving: hurt
Love: missing 2 games

interesting

[Skip_Bayless]

Context: Igoudala: not hurt
Curry: not hurt
Draymond: suspended 1 game
Bogut: missing 2 games

Irving: hurt
Love: missing 2 games

interesting

Compare their finals numbers to their playoff numbers. They were much lower because of their injuries. It was well documented that both were injured. Sorry, but 2016 is an * ring and so is 2015. Multiple stars being injured means the ring was won in a half assed way. GSW had 3 injured and 1 suspended, Cavs had 2 injured.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/playoffs/2016/06/18/back-pain-warriors-andre-iguodala-stop-lebron-james-finals-game-7/86096458/

https://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/stephen-curry-golden-state-warriors-steve-kerr-finals-injury-lucky-cavaliers-lebron-james-081016

https://www.businessinsider.com/stephen-curry-knee-injury-evident-game-7-2016-6

[Ben Simmons 25]

I think Curry breaks free for Finals MVP this year unless the Warriors have to play the Celtics in which case it's probably going to Kyrie.

[Skip_Bayless]

I think Curry breaks free for Finals MVP this year unless the Warriors have to play the Celtics in which case it's probably going to Kyrie.

He very well could get 3 on his own when it's all said and done. Again, the more players in the next 20 years that get 3, the more it showcases just how hard it was to DOUBLE that and get 6. It would be one thing if LeBron was the only player in history to get 3 and only MJ had more, but that is NOT the case.

[ELITEpower23]

*4

And 5 is pending...