Clear bias by ESPN

[3ball]

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They discuss how the Celtics make less passes per possession WITHOUT kyrie compared to with him:


http://i68.tinypic.com/359mhyu.jpg
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cXTMvy3z1a4&t=12m17s


But the Lakers made 296 (https://stats.nba.com/teams/passing/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateFrom=12%2F26%2F2018&DateTo=01%2F29%2F2019&sort=PASSES_MADE&dir=1) passes when Lebron was out, and 256 (https://stats.nba.com/teams/passing/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateFrom=01%2F31%2F2019&DateTo=03%2F06%2F2019&sort=PASSES_MADE&dir=1) since he's been back (28th), which is a similar gap to the Celtics without Kyrie (FYI - the Cavs were at 273 (https://stats.nba.com/teams/passing/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateFrom=10%2F18%2F2018&DateTo=12%2F25%2F2018&sort=PASSES_MADE&dir=1) passes before the lebron injury, which was still ranked 28th)

Now let's address the lebron stans - we know that Kyrie has lost a lot during his regular season career, while Lebron is a superior player whose losses occur in the Finals (albiet due to a weak East)

But if lesser passing is used to explain the Celtics' weak record with Kyrie, then why not use the same reasoning to explain Lebron's Finals record?.. lebron-ball gets a pass and kyrie-ball doesn't, even though both styles weaken the team's passing and lose, albiet on different levels... Harden-ball is also knocked for losing, similar to kyrie, while Lebron's losing gets a pass - but they all employ the same ball-dominant style and that style deserves blame anytime it loses to an obviously superior brand... :confusedshrug:
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[kennethgriffen]

lebron had a 30 point triple double and got blown the f*ck out


hes averaging 27/9/8 on the season and will fail to make the playoffs or even win 35 games to match last years lakers win total



lebron is by far the most empty stat padding goon in nba history


the death of a leastern conference fraud right before our eyes

[egokiller]

What's happening in LA is really painting a nice picture on how mentally weak lebald really is. Cared more about stats instead of winning, and plays a style that is not a winning brand of basketball at the highest stage unless he has top tier iso scorers like Kyrie and Wade to make up for his cancerous playstyle.

Imagine MJ with a 27 ppg Pippen which is what Kyrie averaged in the 2016 finals.

[stalkerforlife]

Boom.

[3ball]

Had to fix the OP to account for the now-exposed/confirmed weak East.. :rockon:

[Matppak]

lebron had a 30 point triple double and got blown the f*ck out


hes averaging 27/9/8 on the season and will fail to make the playoffs or even win 35 games to match last years lakers win total



lebron is by far the most empty stat padding goon in nba history


the death of a leastern conference fraud right before our eyes

I want to do some research and see how many players avgd 25 5 and 5 or better and missed the playoffs

[Matppak]

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They discuss how the Celtics make less passes per possession WITHOUT kyrie compared to with him:


http://i68.tinypic.com/359mhyu.jpg
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cXTMvy3z1a4&t=12m17s


But the Lakers made 296 (https://stats.nba.com/teams/passing/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateFrom=12%2F26%2F2018&DateTo=01%2F29%2F2019&sort=PASSES_MADE&dir=1) passes when Lebron was out, and 256 (https://stats.nba.com/teams/passing/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateFrom=01%2F31%2F2019&DateTo=03%2F06%2F2019&sort=PASSES_MADE&dir=1) since he's been back (28th), which is a similar gap to the Celtics without Kyrie (FYI - the Cavs were at 273 (https://stats.nba.com/teams/passing/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateFrom=10%2F18%2F2018&DateTo=12%2F25%2F2018&sort=PASSES_MADE&dir=1) passes before the lebron injury, which was still ranked 28th)

Now let's address the lebron stans - we know that Kyrie has lost a lot during his regular season career, while Lebron is a superior player whose losses occur in the Finals (albiet due to a weak East)

But if lesser passing is used to explain the Celtics' weak record with Kyrie, then why not use the same reasoning to explain Lebron's Finals record?.. lebron-ball gets a pass and kyrie-ball doesn't, even though both styles weaken the team's passing and lose, albiet on different levels... Harden-ball is also knocked for losing, similar to kyrie, while Lebron's losing gets a pass - but they all employ the same ball-dominant style and that style deserves blame anytime it loses to an obviously superior brand... :confusedshrug:
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It's the same reason they give Lebron a pass but not Harden Westbrook and all other ball dominant players because like KD said Lebron has fan boys in the media

[Matppak]

I do kinda give Harden a break with his ball dominance only because that is the system Mike D puts out there.

Where Lebrons making coach's and teams play HIS system.

This is also why Mike D has been a failure at winning in his career because his system isn't conducive to winning.

[3ball]

I do kinda give Harden a break with his ball dominance only because that is the system Mike D puts out there.

Where Lebrons making coach's and teams play HIS system.

This is also why Mike D has been a failure at winning in his career because his system isn't conducive to winning.
I agree, and I give Harden a pass too because he averaged 37 - so at least he got the most out of that style, while lebron gets 27 and can't carry a team like Harden

Ultimately, in today's game, the role players make the star players better (it's all about whether a star has enough help or needs to team-hop), while stars in previous eras were expected to work with what they had and elevate teammates.. bleacher report talks about this change:



But the broader topic is what leadership means today for the modern NBA superstar. In ancient times (like, you know, 15 years ago), leadership meant that NBA stars embraced the challenge of making those around them better. Now, in large part due to the player-movement era that James ushered in when he left Cleveland to team up with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh in Miami in 2010, superstars have been conditioned to give up on their current circumstances and demand better teammates, a new home or both.

"Now it's all about deferring and putting blame on somebody else," one of the Western Conference executives said. "Instead of being like an old-school guy and saying: 'I've got to do a better job. I've got to make my teammates better.' Great players and great leaders, that's what they do. That's what Kobe [Bryant] would've done. That's what Michael Jordan would've done."

Not to get romantic about the Jordan era, but in those days, the likes of Bill Cartwright and Steve Kerr needed Jordan to elevate them. How well the biggest star on your team did that defined how effective a leader he was. Today, with star players perpetually angling for better teammates and more attractive markets, the narrative has shifted. Suddenly, it's become the job of the supporting players to make the superstars better. And if the superstar struggles, it must be his teammates' fault.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2823951-lebron-throwing-people-under-the-bus-like-never-before-and-nba-is-baffled.amp.html


It's remarkable how things have changed.. it's good for business in the short term, but in the long run, taking the leadership and substance out of the game will drive basketball into a niche sport, like boxing or something

[tpols]

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They discuss how the Celtics make less passes per possession WITHOUT kyrie compared to with him:


http://i68.tinypic.com/359mhyu.jpg
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cXTMvy3z1a4&t=12m17s


But the Lakers made 296 (https://stats.nba.com/teams/passing/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateFrom=12%2F26%2F2018&DateTo=01%2F29%2F2019&sort=PASSES_MADE&dir=1) passes when Lebron was out, and 256 (https://stats.nba.com/teams/passing/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateFrom=01%2F31%2F2019&DateTo=03%2F06%2F2019&sort=PASSES_MADE&dir=1) since he's been back (28th), which is a similar gap to the Celtics without Kyrie (FYI - the Cavs were at 273 (https://stats.nba.com/teams/passing/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateFrom=10%2F18%2F2018&DateTo=12%2F25%2F2018&sort=PASSES_MADE&dir=1) passes before the lebron injury, which was still ranked 28th)

Now let's address the lebron stans - we know that Kyrie has lost a lot during his regular season career, while Lebron is a superior player whose losses occur in the Finals (albiet due to a weak East)

But if lesser passing is used to explain the Celtics' weak record with Kyrie, then why not use the same reasoning to explain Lebron's Finals record?.. lebron-ball gets a pass and kyrie-ball doesn't, even though both styles weaken the team's passing and lose, albiet on different levels... Harden-ball is also knocked for losing, similar to kyrie, while Lebron's losing gets a pass - but they all employ the same ball-dominant style and that style deserves blame anytime it loses to an obviously superior brand... :confusedshrug:
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Astute observation and research.

Kyrie is an insane iso player. one of the best ever. He was the only great player to fit well with lebron because they BOTH loved to iso and score or kick. When in a weak east and / or against a depleted team they can both iso you to death. Against a similarly talented team with, undoubtedly better teamwork... theyre t0ast.

[Smoke117]

I generally am a hateful person and would chuckle at the lot of you being smashed into pancakes by a train, but jesus christ bro. You're tickling the back of my empathy with this shit. I mean...fukk...what is wrong with you? I would gladly piss on your dead corpse, but you are making it so hard to hate you with this pathetically sad display.

[3ball]

Astute observation and research.

Kyrie is an insane iso player. one of the best ever. He was the only great player to fit well with lebron because they BOTH loved to iso and score or kick. When in a weak east and / or against a depleted team they can both iso you to death. Against a similarly talented team with, undoubtedly better teamwork... theyre t0ast.
Thanks, although it wasn't much of an observation

I was watching them talk about kyrie's ball-dominance and figured that Lebron's similar style resulted in reduced team passing as well.

And sure enough.. like clockwork - there's so many stats to back up the eye test of Lebron's ball dominance - OP's passing stats, time of possession, low assisted rates for Bron, lower assists/higher assisted rate for teammates (turns teammates into play-finisher), team assists.. and plenty more of course

[sportjames23]

Bron getting absolutely savaged on ISH lately.

Stans, is this your king?

[SpaceJam]

Bron getting absolutely savaged on ISH lately.

Stans, is this your king?

Might be yours!

*Insert sportjames23 'LeBron is my GOAT if he comes back from 3-1 blah blah' screenshot*

[Uncle Drew]

Imagine typing all them essays about a game you don’t watch. What a life.

[3ball]

Imagine typing all them essays about a game you don’t watch. What a life.


It isn't an essay - it's a statistical report showing that Lebron's presence reduces team passing, just like ESPN said Kyrie and other ball-dominators do.. they simply omitted the stats for lebron (bias), so I provided them here

The team passing stats are just 1 statistic that shows how lebron reduces team passing and brand of ball...time of possession, low assisted rates for Bron, lower assists/higher assisted rate for teammates (turns teammates into play-finishers), team assists.. and plenty more stats demonstrate LeCancer-ball as well

[StrongLurk]

Another day, another thread OP posts that changes no one's opinion.

No one cares about ESPN.

[sdot_thadon]

Christ yet another terrible finish by Op in the mental gymnastics event. Just can't seem to stick the landing.:oldlol:

Seriously dude how can you post stats to prove an espn bias while turning a blind eye yourself to those same stats?

-For instance the year before Irving joined the C's they were top 3 in the very stat you posted along with the Lakers being bottom 6 in the league already before adding Lebron.

-Or the fact that Lebron is a primary ballhandler/playmaker for his team and Kyrie typically isn't recognized as such, he's more of a scorer.

Lazy (or just plain intellectually dishonest) research there spreadsheet sammy.

[3ball]

Christ yet another terrible finish by Op in the mental gymnastics event. Just can't seem to stick the landing.:oldlol:

Seriously dude how can you post stats to prove an espn bias while turning a blind eye yourself to those same stats?

-For instance the year before Irving joined the C's they were top 3 in the very stat you posted along with the Lakers being bottom 6 in the league already before adding Lebron.

-Or the fact that Lebron is a primary ballhandler/playmaker for his team and Kyrie typically isn't recognized as such, he's more of a scorer.

Lazy (or just plain intellectually dishonest) research there spreadsheet sammy.
The Lakers passed the ball a lot more without lebron, to the same degree as the celtics without kyrie - literally 40 passes more per 100 possessions for both teams without kyrie and Lecancer

So there's no need to deny the facts.. there's nothing to twist there - the Lakers simply pass a lot more without lebron.. :confusedshrug:..

they made 296 (https://stats.nba.com/teams/passing/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateFrom=12%2F26%2F2018&DateTo=01%2F29%2F2019&sort=PASSES_MADE&dir=1) passes per 100 possessions when Lebron was out, and 256 (https://stats.nba.com/teams/passing/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateFrom=01%2F31%2F2019&DateTo=03%2F06%2F2019&sort=PASSES_MADE&dir=1) since he's been back, which is a similar gap to the Celtics without Kyrie (FYI - the Cavs were at 273 (https://stats.nba.com/teams/passing/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateFrom=10%2F18%2F2018&DateTo=12%2F25%2F2018&sort=PASSES_MADE&dir=1) passes before the lebron injury, which was still ranked 28th)

Cold, hard stats and facts

[Uncle Drew]

It isn't an essay - it's a statistical report showing that Lebron's presence reduces team passing, just like ESPN said Kyrie and other ball-dominators do.. they simply omitted the stats for lebron (bias), so I provided them here

The team passing stats are just 1 statistic that shows how lebron reduces team passing and brand of ball...time of possession, low assisted rates for Bron, lower assists/higher assisted rate for teammates (turns teammates into play-finishers), team assists.. and plenty more stats demonstrate LeCancer-ball as well
Your Saturday night consists of typing all this nonsense no one bothers to read. What a life. :oldlol:

[3ball]

Your Saturday night consists of typing all this nonsense no one bothers to read. What a life. :oldlol:
I was at the MGM when I typed this in the sports book. Had a great night. What did you do