40% leadership or 100% leadership?

[Rico2016]

Imagine winning five rings and only being the leader twice.

3/3 =100% leadership (LBJ)

2/5 = 40% leadership (Kobe)

...


Besides LeBron, who else is in the 100% leadership category?

3/4 (Shaq) = 75%
3/5 (Magic) = 60%
2/3 (Bird) = 66%
2/3 (Durant) = 66%
2/5 (Kobe) = 40%

*notable:

0/3 (Curry) = 0%

Miley Cyrus also has 0%

[Doranku]

KD the snake will match LeBron with 3/3 this year. Not very impressive. (You have KD listed as 2/3 because you're retarded)

[Rico2016]

KD the snake will match LeBron with 3/3 this year. Not very impressive. (You have KD listed as 2/3 because you're retarded)

Oh

40%be :(

[3ball]

Net Rating 2013 Finals

Allen:. +7.3 (https://stats.nba.com/player/951/advanced/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)
LeFraud:. -0.2 (https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/advanced/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)


So Lebron was a net negative, while Allen's presence provided the edge the Heat needed to win

And of course, you have to include all Finals appearances, so 2011 counts - he was supposed to win as the leader, but lost as a choking, 2nd option

Finally, anytime a player would've lost without a teammate shot, that series is nullified - so the 2016 Finals, where kyrie hit the winning shot and also carried an equal scoring burden/defensive attention

[tpols]

Net Rating 2013 Finals

Allen:. +7.3 (https://stats.nba.com/player/951/advanced/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)
LeFraud:. -0.2 (https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/advanced/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)


So Lebron was a net negative, while Allen's presence provided the edge the Heat needed to win

And of course, you have to include all Finals appearances, so 2011 counts - he was supposed to win as the leader, but lost as a choking, 2nd option

Finally, anytime a player would've lost without a teammate shot, that series is nullified - so the 2016 Finals, where kyrie hit the winning shot and also carried an equal scoring burden/defensive attention



LeBron was putting up a worse series than 2011 in that series versus the spurs, before rays shot. Check the numbers. Pop was so in his head with the sag strategy it was unbelievable.

[SouBeachTalents]

You're not gonna sit there and act like Cedric Maxwell, Tony Parker & Iggy were leading their teams to titles :lol

[3ball]

LeBron was putting up a worse series in 13' Finals than the 11' Finals, before rays shot. Check the numbers. Pop was so in his head with the sag strategy it was unbelievable.


Holy crap you're right

Lebron averaged 16.7 on 39% (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/gamelog/2013/#132-134-sum:pgl_basic_playoffs) thru 3 games, so he needed Ray to force game 7.. he was 21.6 on 43.6% thru 5 games

[Rico2016]

Holy crap you're right

Lebron averaged 16.7 on 39% (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/gamelog/2013/#132-134-sum:pgl_basic_playoffs) thru 3 games, so he needed Ray to force game 7.. he was 21.6 on 43.6% thru 5 games

Wow did they win?

[3ball]

Wow did they win?

Yes, but not due to Lebron - Lebron was a net negative, while Allen's presence provided the edge the Heat needed to win.. :facepalm



Net Rating 2013 Finals

Allen:. +7.3 (https://stats.nba.com/player/951/advanced/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)
LeFraud:. -0.2 (https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/advanced/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)


And of course, you have to include all Finals appearances, so 2011 counts - he was supposed to win as the leader, but lost as a choking, 2nd option

Finally, anytime a player would've lost without a teammate shot, that series is nullified - so the 2016 Finals, where kyrie hit the winning shot and also carried an equal scoring burden/defensive attention

[superduper]

Yes, but not due to Lebron - Lebron was a net negative, while Allen's presence provided the edge the Heat needed to win.. :facepalm



Net Rating 2013 Finals

Allen:. +7.3 (https://stats.nba.com/player/951/advanced/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)
LeFraud:. -0.2 (https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/advanced/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)


And of course, you have to include all Finals appearances, so 2011 counts - he was supposed to win as the leader, but lost as a choking, 2nd option

Finally, anytime a player would've lost without a teammate shot, that series is nullified - so the 2016 Finals, where kyrie hit the winning shot and also carried an equal scoring burden/defensive attention

Holy shit Bran stans just got ****ing destroyed :roll: :roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

Yes, but not due to Lebron - Lebron was a net negative, while Allen's presence provided the edge the Heat needed to win.. :facepalm



Net Rating 2013 Finals

Allen:. +7.3 (https://stats.nba.com/player/951/advanced/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)
LeFraud:. -0.2 (https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/advanced/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)


And of course, you have to include all Finals appearances, so 2011 counts - he was supposed to win as the leader, but lost as a choking, 2nd option

Finally, anytime a player would've lost without a teammate shot, that series is nullified - so the 2016 Finals, where kyrie hit the winning shot and also carried an equal scoring burden/defensive attention
They didn't win in 2013 due to the guy who led the team in points/assists/rebounds/steals and dropped 37/12 in Game 7, ok bro :oldlol:

And I guess Jordan's titles in '93 & '97 are nullified too

[3ball]

They didn't win in 2013 due to the guy who led the team in points/assists/rebounds/steals and dropped 37/12 in Game 7, ok bro :oldlol:

And I guess Jordan's titles in '93 & '97 are nullified too
Lebron was a net negative.. :confusedshrug:... They were a loser when lebron was on the court - that's a fact

Fortunately, Ray was a massive positive, so they won (oh, and he hit the shot that prevented loss).. sorry brah man.. facts are facts

[Rico2016]

Lebron was a net negative.. :confusedshrug:... They were a loser when lebron was on the court - that's a fact

Fortunately, Ray was a massive positive, so they won (oh, and he hit the shot that prevented loss).. sorry brah man.. facts are facts

The mental gymnastics it takes to be you is quite impressive. Keep thinking really hard, buddy.

Here's a fact that requires NO mental gymnatics...


MJ was 1-9 in the post season before Scottie came on board.


Cold. Hard. Facts. :( :eek:

[superduper]

LeGOAT is literally irrelevant without running away.

Cold...hard....facts :(

[Rico2016]

LeGOAT is literally irrelevant without running away.

Cold...hard....facts :(

More mental gymnastics...NOT surprising from you :lol

[3ball]

The mental gymnastics it takes to be you is quite impressive. Keep thinking really hard, buddy.


The Heat produced less points per possession than the Spurs when Lebron was on the floor

Fortunately, they produced much more when Allen was on the floor, allowing them to win despite Lebron's net negative

Cold hard facts bud





MJ was 1-9 in the post season before Scottie came on board.

Cold. Hard. Facts. :( :eek:


That's like saying Lebron couldn't make the playoffs until he got Hughes and Brown..

MJ averaged 45 to get the bulls past the 88' first round.. pippen 7.. :oldlol:

[knicksman]

lebron got pushed by a role player so that means hes not a leader. No wonder he has to form superteams.

[Rico2016]

lebron got pushed by a role player so that means hes not a leader. No wonder he has to form superteams.

40% leadership or 100% leadership?

[knicksman]

40% leadership or 100% leadership?

only losers respect lebron

[MJistheGOAT]

LePushed is an amazing leader ...

66% (6/9) leadership in losing finals, including the GOAT chokejob by a top 10 GOAT in 2011, 2 swepts (2007, 2018) and the #1 and #2 largest point differental losses (2018, 2014).

100% leadership in bringing a West team to the lottery

[Manny98]

only losers respect lebron
only losers support the Knicks

[knicksman]

only losers support the Knicks

imagine creating many alts to defend a coward. Theres no bigger loser than that:lol

[And1AllDay]

only losers support the Knicks

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Net Rating 2013 Finals

Allen:. +7.3 (https://stats.nba.com/player/951/advanced/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)
LeFraud:. -0.2 (https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/advanced/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)


So Lebron was a net negative, while Allen's presence provided the edge the Heat needed to win

And of course, you have to include all Finals appearances, so 2011 counts - he was supposed to win as the leader, but lost as a choking, 2nd option

Finally, anytime a player would've lost without a teammate shot, that series is nullified - so the 2016 Finals, where kyrie hit the winning shot and also carried an equal scoring burden/defensive attention



Check out Lebron's Rating for 2006-2007:
https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/advanced/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4


-1.3


That 22.0 PPG finals on .356% was no bueno.

[ImKobe]

Kobe led all 5 title teams in assists and also led them in FGA in 4 out of 5. He was the floor general and the closer on all 5 title teams.

Kyrie Irving led the 2016 Cavs in FGA, was the closer and actually averaged more points than Lebron if we go by per 36 minutes.

[And1AllDay]

Kobe led all 5 title teams in assists and also led them in FGA in 4 out of 5. He was the floor general and the closer on all 5 title teams.

Kyrie Irving led the 2016 Cavs in FGA, was the closer and actually averaged more points than Lebron if we go by per 36 minutes.

Oh So Kyrie scored more or less? Want me todig up that

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[ImKobe]

Kyrie actually scored more points per minute. Lebron averaged 26.3 ppg in 39.1 mpg, Irving averaged 25.2 ppg in 36.9 mpg. PER 36 says that Irving averages .5 more points per game.

[Rico2016]

Kyrie actually scored more points per minute. Lebron averaged 26.3 ppg in 39.1 mpg, Irving averaged 25.2 ppg in 36.9 mpg. PER 36 says that Irving averages .5 more points per game.

Wow no way

So less points? Cool

[ImKobe]

Wow no way

So less points? Cool

Irving led the team in FGA and closed the Finals.

So lebron led 2 out of 3 title teams in FGA (66.7%) while Kobe led 4 out of 5 title teams in FGA (80%).