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[iamgine]

Because, like Karl Malone, his game tend to drop in the playoff.

[Celtics 1825]

He couldn't do enough on his own. Didn't win anything (didn't even make a final) until Duncan came along.

[Big164]

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[warriorfan]

David Robinson in his prime was a beast. One of the most athletic players to play the game. DPOY defense. Preferred to face up on offense. Lacked longevity compared to other ATG

[SouBeachTalents]

David Robinson in his prime was a beast. One of the most athletic players to play the game. DPOY defense. Preferred to face up on offense. Lacked longevity compared to other ATG’s because of him joining the league at 24 years old. The infamous whipping Hakeem served him haunts his legacy. It’s pretty overblown though, there’s no shame in getting toasted by the Dream. If you look at Robinsons career under the LeBron “not enough help” lense, it’s a lot more forgiving. He carried some shitty teams.
He also struggled immensely against the Jazz, his production & efficiency fell off a cliff every time he faced them

[Rico2016]

How is this not a troll?

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[Proctor]

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[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

honestly in the Houston series DRob saw alot more hard doubles than Hakeem b/c Rodman didnt want to go with the gameplan

DRob got roasted but its no shame against one of the GOAT iso scorers on an island for an entire series

DRob had as little help as KG did in most of the Minny years and Hakeem for most of his Houston years

give DRob pre Duncan a level of talent anywhere in the same stratosphere as Wade, Bosh, Kyrie or Love, let alone 2 of them? His career wouldve looked very different

[Rocket]

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Bingo!! Dream destroyed him.

[nayte]

Bingo!! Dream destroyed him.

This is why it's wrong but there u go

[Phoenix]

That series simultaneously enhanced Dream's legacy as much as it ruined the Admiral's.

Reason why Duncan is ranked higher is simple, he came in as a rookie and pretty much took over the team by his 2nd season leading the Spurs to the title, and obviously had a better overall career. In a vacuum I'd argue David was more talented, a more dominant ( regular season) scorer, and a more intimidating shotblocker. Problem is his game was more finesse-oriented so it never translated as well in the playoffs when things slowed down and more physical play( especially in his era) took center stage. But there were alot of pundits saying he was going to take over the league back in 92. That was with peak/prime MJ, Barkley, Malone, Ewing, etc. He was considered 'Bill Russell with an offensive game' coming in. So that should give you some sense of how much potential was being shown when that sentiment was making the rounds. He had all-time great talent and has a good case as a top 20 player( anywhere between 18-20 off the top of my head seems reasonable) but there's no reason he deserves GOAT discussion. With the way his career wound up he's nowhere near that conversation.

[bizil]

GOAT status factors solo accolades, team accolades, longevity being great, numbers, peak-prime status, and impact on the league (redefining a position, causing rules changes, face of the league, etc). So when u look at it like that, NO WAY can u put David ahead of these centers:

Cap
Russ
Wilt
Shaq
Dream
Moses

These guys have resumes that are simply better. GOAT is all around resume. Peak-prime status is a part of it though. Even on a peak-prime type of deal, Cap, Wilt,Shaq, and Dream were better. Many will argue Moses was better as well. So being a top 7 center GOAT wise and top 25-30 GOAT among all positions is an AWESOME place to be!

But when people think of the best all around centers ever on both sides of the rock, David is right at the top with Dream, Wilt, and Kareem. And when u factor his freak athletic ability and scoring skillset along with that, he could be ARGUABLY the most gifted center ever. NOT saying the best. BUT the most naturally gifted.

[Young X]

I think he's a top 15 player.

[kennethgriffen]

robinsons 70 came against the clippers in their last regular season game during a season they were 27-55

[Cali Syndicate]

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Its a shame that this has become the lasting image for robinson. Olajuwan was just on a different level during his run. But robinson fared very well and got the better of Olajuwan head 2 head otherwise.

[thefatmiral]

Goat two way player. One the better regular season players.

[eliteballer]

If you put Robinson in the league today he would be unstoppable...the style of play is tailor-made for him.

[Duncan21formvp]

Because he used to get owned in the playoffs even with HCA. Karl Malone, Hakeem, Chris Mullen used to wax his ass.

[Vino24]

same reason why Kobe doesn't get brought up

[BigShotBob]

Because he used to get owned in the playoffs even with HCA. Karl Malone, Hakeem, Chris Mullen used to wax his ass.

And Barkley.

[LukeWalton]

cuz he's on the spurs. most underrated of the great 2000s-2010 teams

[Mr.GOAT2408]

He was an insane athlete and could have been as good as anyone but he just didn't have the mentality of a true alpha dog, it's why he got outplayed by other stars (namely Hakeem) in the playoffs.

Still one of the best ever though just not in the GOAT discussion

[TheCorporation]

same reason why Kobe doesn't get brought up

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[plowking]

He was amazing.

People can bring up that Dream series all they want, but for the majority of their careers, he got the better of Hakeem.

It was literally 3 games in the series that defined both their careers in a way.

[nayte]

He was amazing.

People can bring up that Dream series all they want, but for the majority of their careers, he got the better of Hakeem.

It was literally 3 games in the series that defined both their careers in a way.

Pretty much. He gets judged on a few games like no other player.

[Overdrive]

He was amazing.

People can bring up that Dream series all they want, but for the majority of their careers, he got the better of Hakeem.

It was literally 3 games in the series that defined both their careers in a way.

He got the better of all the other 90s center before his injury aswell. His problem wasn't being a better player, but to win in the playoffs.

[plowking]

He got the better of all the other 90s center before his injury aswell. His problem wasn't being a better player, but to win in the playoffs.

Robinson carried a lot of shitty teams very far, ala LeBron.

Made guys look a whole lot better than they were.

[Overdrive]

Robinson carried a lot of shitty teams very far, ala LeBron.

Made guys look a whole lot better than they were.

I know, I already said he was the better player against alot of his matchups.
Wins aren't dependent on single players, I'm not naive.

To be fair though Hakeem in '94 had a shitty team himself and came through. That's what seperates them in greatness. Not their skills. Robinson was just as skilled.

[Phoenix]

Admirals career record is 30-12 against Hakeem, but I wouldn't put too much stock in that because's a team thing and the quality of their respective teams fluctuated over the years.

Head to Head

Admiral 20/11/3/2 49%
Hakeem 22/113/2 44%

Removing that 95 finals and if you didn't know anything else about basketball or them as players, those stats don't point to Hakeem being ranked higher. Just goes to show how much that series impacted both their legacies, but beyond that Robinson was never as great in the playoffs as the regular season. Dream's game was just better built for the playoffs, but without those title runs he's likely out of your top 15 all-time.

[Round Mound]

Admirals career record is 30-12 against Hakeem, but I wouldn't put too much stock in that because's a team thing and the quality of their respective teams fluctuated over the years.

Head to Head

Admiral 20/11/3/2 49%
Hakeem 22/113/2 44%

Removing that 95 finals and if you didn't know anything else about basketball or them as players, those stats don't point to Hakeem being ranked higher. Just goes to show how much that series impacted both their legacies, but beyond that Robinson was never as great in the playoffs as the regular season. Dream's game was just better built for the playoffs, but without those title runs he's likely out of your top 15 all-time.

Do the prime stats ages 22-32 and Hakeem stands out in the head to head

[ImKobe]

D-Rob got sonned by Hakeem H2H in the Playoffs and never made the Finals without Duncan.

His RS accolades are maybe top 10-15 GOAT worthy, but his game didn't translate to the POs at all.

[FKAri]

Ya that series vs Hakeem is certainly a strong lasting memory in most people's minds. However, DRob's game also dipped a bit when things got physical and pace slowed down as it does in the playoffs. As a result he gets somewhat rightly punished for it in rankings.

[HoopologyPhD]

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[Gotterdammerung]

For a few reasons besides the ones others have mentioned (subpar performances in the playoffs, being carried to championships by a better player in Duncan, etc):


Robinson lost two prime years after four years in college serving in the Navy. That's at least 4 to 5 seasons lost.
Robinson should have dominated even more during his prime years from 89-95, but he didn't. And he never returned to that level after that back injury.
Tim Duncan became the go-to guy the first day as a San Antonio Spur. Casting doubt about his greatness.
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[Ass Dan]

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[Gougou]

People will remember him as a decent skilled center, but will never treat him GOAT status like Shaq, Hakeem, Wilt, Kareem. Same as Ewing.

[baudkarma]

He's one of only two players in NBA history to win both a scoring title and DPOY during their careers. I think the main reason he gets left out of GOAT discussions is because he was never the best player on a championship team.

[Round Mound]

Robinson is underrated though. He was as complete a center there ever was. He lacked post game but other than that he had a great face up jumper and in everything else he was superb. I think he was better than Duncan in his prime but sadly injuries ruined his offensive game and he became more of a defender in his later years.

[Smoke117]

Robinson is underrated though. He was as complete a center there ever was. He lacked post game but other than that he had a great face up jumper and in everything else he was superb. I think he was better than Duncan in his prime but sadly injuries ruined his offensive game and he became more of a defender in his later years.

You can say that nobody ever carried teams like Robinson did during the 82 game slough. Spurs from 89 to his rookie season in 90: 21 wins to 56 wins. Spurs from 96 to 97 when he all but missed the entire season: 59 wins to 20 wins. You can't overstate the monstrous impact he had game in game out. His playoff woes are overblown considering teams just through double and triple teams at him every time he touched the ball since they knew nobody else on the team mattered. Hell, his rookie playoff run is one of the best ever rookie showings. Spurs took the Blazers to 7 games who then took the Pistons to 7 games in that finals. Robinson averaged 24/12/4 on .533% (.581%ts) during that rookie playoff run. If you just go by prime and peak impact he's easily top 10 in that regard.

[Round Mound]

You can say that nobody ever carried teams like Robinson did during the 82 game slough. Spurs from 89 to his rookie season in 90: 21 wins to 56 wins. Spurs from 96 to 97 when he all but missed the entire season: 59 wins to 20 wins. You can't overstate the monstrous impact he had game in game out. His playoff woes are overblown considering teams just through double and triple teams at him every time he touched the ball since they knew nobody else on the team mattered. Hell, his rookie playoff run is one of the best ever rookie showings. Spurs took the Blazers to 7 games who then took the Pistons to 7 games in that finals. Robinson averaged 24/12/4 on .533% (.581%ts) during that rookie playoff run. If you just go by prime and peak impact he's easily top 10 in that regard.

I don't know about top 10 but he is definetly underrated. He was better than Duncan in his prime though.

[BarberSchool]

Because G.O.A.T. is an acronym which means GREATEST OF ALL TIME. Less than 10 can be in that discussion with basketball's history, both on and off the court. Robinson is a top 25 player, but not in the goat convo.

Even at his own position, Olajuwon was better in Robinson's Era. Shaq was better at the tail end of Robinson's era. Robinson was better than Ewing, and that was clear. Very versatile talent, and a genuinely nice man (but personality borderline church f@g)

Also, at his own poisiton, in history, in addition to Shaq and Olajuwon ... Jabbar, Russell, Wilt better all time (although he exceeded their levels of individual talent, he didn't have their resumes.)

1. Jordan
2. Jabbar
3. Shaq
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Kobe
7. Raymone
8. Bill Russell
9. Olajuwon
10. Wilt

[Round Mound]

Because G.O.A.T. is an acronym which means GREATEST OF ALL TIME. Less than 10 can be in that discussion with basketball's history, both on and off the court. Robinson is a top 25 player, but not in the goat convo.

Even at his own position, Olajuwon was better in Robinson's Era. Shaq was better at the tail end of Robinson's era. Robinson was better than Ewing, and that was clear. Very versatile talent, and a genuinely nice man (but personality borderline church f@g)

Also, at his own poisiton, in history, in addition to Shaq and Olajuwon ... Jabbar, Russell, Wilt better all time (although he exceeded their levels of individual talent, he didn't have their resumes.)

1. Jordan
2. Jabbar
3. Shaq
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Kobe
7. Raymone
8. Bill Russell
9. Olajuwon
10. Wilt

No Lebron? He has 3 rings...

[TheCorporation]

Because G.O.A.T. is an acronym which means GREATEST OF ALL TIME. Less than 10 can be in that discussion with basketball's history, both on and off the court. Robinson is a top 25 player, but not in the goat convo.

Even at his own position, Olajuwon was better in Robinson's Era. Shaq was better at the tail end of Robinson's era. Robinson was better than Ewing, and that was clear. Very versatile talent, and a genuinely nice man (but personality borderline church f@g)

Also, at his own poisiton, in history, in addition to Shaq and Olajuwon ... Jabbar, Russell, Wilt better all time (although he exceeded their levels of individual talent, he didn't have their resumes.)

1. Jordan
2. Jabbar
3. Shaq
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Kobe
7. Raymone
8. Bill Russell
9. Olajuwon
10. Wilt

Low IQ list

Were any of Michael's 6 Finals opponets more difficult than the weakear team LeBron ever faced?

[tontoz]

Hakeem's series against DRob was the best individual playoff series I have ever seen. That definitely hurt DRobs legacy because it is burned in the minds of everyone who saw it.

I would say DRob is probably underrated, but probably doesn't belong in GOAT discussions.

[BarberSchool]

No Lebron? He has 3 rings...Raymone