Lowest GameScore FMVP winners

[Rico2016]

Top 3 lowest ever GameScore FMVP winners among top 15 players


#1. MJ in 1996 = 18.5
#2. Kobe in 2010 = 18.7
#3. Isiah Thomas in 1990 = 20.1

[warriorfan]

Op is seriously autistic

[Rico2016]

Op is seriously autistic

Will Curry ever get one :(

[kennethgriffen]

the fact that hakeems 94 is on the list yet again proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that analytics lie

[Poetry]

Top 4 lowest ever GameScore FMVP winners among top 15 players


#1. MJ in 1996 = 18.5
#2. Kobe in 2010 = 18.7
#3. Isiah Thomas in 1990 = 20.1
#4. Hakeem in 1994 = 21.0

The regular Game Score formula doesn't factor in pace.

When you adjust for pace those would all be higher, especially Jordan (who played the Sonics series at a pace of 83) and Kobe (who played his series at a pace of 85).

MJ's adjusted pace would probably be 22-24 for that series. His career game score average in the finals is the highest on record at around 27, if memory serves. I think only Durant has a chance to top it.

[SamuraiSWISH]

That was Jordan’s worst Finals by far. Especially after game 3 ... what was LeBron’s worst?

2007 - 10.6 Gmsc
2011 - 13.7 Gmsc

[Rico2016]

The regular Game Score formula doesn't factor in pace.

When you adjust for pace those would all be higher, especially Jordan (who played the Sonics series at a pace of 83) and Kobe (who played his series at a pace of 85).

MJ's adjusted pace would probably be 22-24 for that series. MJ's career game score average in the finals is the highest on record at around 27, if memory serves. I think only Durant has a chance to top it.

Just shows he has a "weak" ring that's all no big deal man, sheesh!

[Rico2016]

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]That was Jordan

[Rico2016]

the fact that hakeems 94 is on the list yet again proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that analytics lie

Kobe :(

[kennethgriffen]

Kobe :(



what do you think fans/media/legends are thinking about right now... kobe/mj/hakeems gamescores from a made up analytic that doesn't factor in any context



or the fact that lebron just missed the playoffs in his first season out west totally destroying his legacy

[Spurs m8]

Op is seriously autistic

That's our boy Wheels!

This is one of his shitter alts.

[Poetry]

Just shows he has a "weak" ring that's all no big deal man, sheesh!

Dirk beat the Heatles with a team high GmSc of 16.6. Is his ring weak?

[SamuraiSWISH]

Dirk beat the Heatles with a team high GmSc of 16.6. Is his ring weak?
His finals performance overrated, yes

[Poetry]

His finals performance overrated, yes

Dirk was willing to take shots that LeBron wasn't.

He took 125 field goal attempts in the series and he made 52.

LeBron took 90 field goal attempts and he made 43.

Maybe Dirk only shot .416 from the field, but those +9 field goals helped win a series where two games were decided by 2 or 3 points.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Dirk was willing to take shots that LeBron wasn't.

He took 125 field goal attempts in the series and he made 52.

LeBron took 90 field goal attempts and he made 43.

Maybe Dirk only shot .416 from the field, but those +9 field goals helped win a series where two games were decided by 2 or 3 points.
I don

[ImKobe]

Duncan 2005 - 15.9

[Mr Feeny]

Ofcourse he wants the FMVP because he single handily cost the lakers the series,, but Kobe in the 2004 finals was 11.6


It almost defies belief how bad he was.

[nayte]

Top 3 lowest ever GameScore FMVP winners among top 15 players


#1. MJ in 1996 = 18.5
#2. Kobe in 2010 = 18.7
#3. Isiah Thomas in 1990 = 20.1

Did any other players In those teams have a higher game score. No agenda just curious to see if a fmvp winner had a lower score then a team mate

[SpaceJam]

Did any other players In those teams have a higher game score. No agenda just curious to see if a fmvp winner had a lower score then a team mate

Pau Gasol had 18.6

Shawn Kemp and Clyde Drexler had 18.9 and 21.3 respectively, but of course they lost

[nayte]

Pau Gasol had 18.6

Shawn Kemp and Clyde Drexler had 18.9 and 21.3 respectively, but of course they lost

Thanks for that. I'm not surprised with the kemp and drex ones. Kemp had a great series and would have won it if they won. Same for Clyde I guess but it seems people want to under rate him these days. Gasol like clyde won't get their credits due to agendas I guess

[nayte]

But still the guys who won played the best on their teams. Game score wise so not sure about this thread

[SpaceJam]

But still the guys who won played the best on their teams. Game score wise so not sure about this thread

Agenda driven

Also side note if I had to hazard a guess on who won FMVPs despite having a lower gamescore than their teammate I'd say 2015 and 2008

Curry higher than Iggy
Ray higher than Pierce

From recent times

[nayte]

Agenda driven

Also side note if I had to hazard a guess on who won FMVPs despite having a lower gamescore than their teammate I'd say 2015 and 2008

Curry higher than Iggy
Ray higher than Pierce

From recent times

Yep true about agendas. Curry should have won imo. Can't quite remember the celtics one. So won't comment. From what I can remember it was a close one with garnett being equally deserving?

[SpaceJam]

Yep true about agendas. Curry should have won imo. Can't quite remember the celtics one. So won't comment. From what I can remember it was a close one with garnett being equally deserving?

Personally I'd have given it to Ray, I'm a strong believer in the fact Pierce only won it because he was the original Celtic.

Just off raw numbers alone it looks like it could go either way, but Ray was insanely efficient, as well as playing great defense on Kobe if memory serves me correct.

Pierce: 22/5/6 43/40/83

Allen: 20/5/3 50/52/87

What puts me over the edge in giving it to Ray is the fact Pierce had a SIX point 2-14 performance in Game 3. I can't really justify giving someone an award for the best player in the series when they put up that performance

[nayte]

Personally I'd have given it to Ray, I'm a strong believer in the fact Pierce only won it because he was the original Celtic.

Just off raw numbers alone it looks like it could go either way, but Ray was insanely efficient, as well as playing great defense on Kobe if memory serves me correct.

Pierce: 22/5/6 43/40/83

Allen: 20/5/3 50/52/87

What puts me over the edge in giving it to Ray is the fact Pierce had a SIX point 2-14 performance in Game 3. I can't really justify giving someone an award for the best player in the series when they put up that performance

I can't argue as I don't really remember but for the sake or arguing.. Lol. Pierce must have put up some good games to counteract this bad showing.

In saying all that. I gather u agree Curry deserved fmvp.

[Phoenix]

Wade had a 22.7 GmSc in the 2011 finals, compared to Dirk's 16.6. Shows you how shit Lebron was that it completely erased Wade being the best overall player in that series. Lebron didn't even need to be great that series, merely competent, and Miami likely pulls it off in 6.

[Mr Feeny]

I can't argue as I don't really remember but for the sake or arguing.. Lol. Pierce must have put up some good games to counteract this bad showing.

In saying all that. I gather u agree Curry deserved fmvp.

Pierce was the one who shut Kobe down in the 2nd half of game 4 and led the greatest comeback in finals history on the lakers home turf. He badly outplayed Kobe and sealed the title there. I think that's a big part of the reason.

[Manny98]

Wade had a 22.7 GmSc in the 2011 finals, compared to Dirk's 16.6. Shows you how shit Lebron was that it completely erased Wade being the best overall player in that series. Lebron didn't even need to be great that series, merely competent, and Miami likely pulls it off in 6.
What happened in game 6 that series?

[Mr Feeny]

What happened in game 6 that series?

They lost, just as they did in games 2,4, and 5. Because LeBron was awful for the entire series and single handily cost Miami the title.

[superduper]

Bran stans are so desperate :oldlol:

[Phoenix]

What happened in game 6 that series?

What happened in game 4, you inbred c*nt?

[Phoenix]

Bran stans are so desperate :oldlol:

As much as they try to shit on Wade in 2012 and especially 2013, Wade's GmSc was higher in both series than Lebron's in 2011. Ergo Lebron, at 26 and coming off back to back MVPs the prior 2 seasons, was worse in 2011 than a tailend of prime Wade the following 2 seasons. This cuck above asks me what happened in game 6, as if we were in a coma when Bron scored 8 ****ing points in a game his star teammates scored 56 points between them.....and they lose by 3....in a game they could have gone up 3-1 with 2 of the last 3 games in Miami. But yeah, let's blame Wade. :rolleyes:

[Manny98]

No one cares about the 2011 finals anymore no need to keep bringing it up, everyone that actually watched the series knows damm well that the Mavs were basically letting Wade score and focusing 150% of there attention on stopping LeBron there is nothing more to discuss.

LeBron had the GOAT playoff run the year after and followed with the GOAT regular season the year after that cementing his legacy :applause:

2011 is forgotten

[Phoenix]

No one cares about the 2011 finals anymore no need to keep bringing it up, everyone that actually watched the series knows damm well that the Mavs were basically letting Wade score and focusing 150% of there attention on stopping LeBron there is nothing more to discuss.

LeBron had the GOAT playoff run the year after and followed with the GOAT regular season the year after that cementing his legacy :applause:

2011 is forgotten

Lebron was playing hot potato with the ball, hesitant to shoot or make plays. Nice revisionism, but hilariously false. Discussion doesn't end when you decide it does for as long as we're addressing each other.

You'd like to forget 2011, but unfortunately for every effort you make to troll other greats to prop up Lebron, we'll be here to remind you. 2011 happened. 1-9 happened. Bird scoring 8 points in a finals happened. Shaq getting swept numerous times happened. 6-24 happened. Tragic Johnson happened. Deal with your hero's chokejob before you go out and shoot yourself in the backyard( which would improve the board tremendously, if we're being honest).

LOL at GOAT playoff run in 2012 and GOAT regular season in 2013. You need to go out and get some air, kiddo.

[MJistheGOAT]

GameScore is not adjusted for pace nor minutes played.
At least use PER or more advanced stats.
And ofc eye test.

/thread

[Phoenix]

GameScore is not adjusted for pace nor minutes played.
At least use PER or more advanced stats.
And ofc eye test.

/thread

Brontards like the assclown above don't worry about context, they just pick a number and say 'this number is higher than that, therefore statz'. So you just throw their logic back at them, no need to apply greater arguments because retards like Manny are neither capable or interested in actual discussion. So just throw up any ole argument, it doesn't warrant any more of your energy than that.

[superduper]

No one cares about the 2011 finals anymore no need to keep bringing it up, everyone that actually watched the series knows damm well that the Mavs were basically letting Wade score and focusing 150% of there attention on stopping LeBron there is nothing more to discuss.

LeBron had the GOAT playoff run the year after and followed with the GOAT regular season the year after that cementing his legacy :applause:

2011 is forgotten

2011 is more remembered than 2012 and always will be :oldlol:

[MJistheGOAT]

2011 is more remembered than 2012 and always will be :oldlol:

Hell, even "The Push" and 2018 Lakers missing the playoffs will be more remembered than 2012 lockout season, historically weak East and ring over toddler OKC

[GimmeThat]

It's called coaching, it's similar to how many yards can you get off a screen pass. any rookie can testify the differences in the 24 second shot clock, and trust me, any timeout you save at that moment can simply dictate the outcome of at least 1 game.

[Rico2016]

Ofcourse he wants the FMVP because he single handily cost the lakers the series,, but Kobe in the 2004 finals was 11.6


It almost defies belief how bad he was.

Pitiful...Pushing out Shaq to put up 11.6 :facepalm

[Rico2016]

Bran stans are so desperate :oldlol:

What? MJ won FMVP with the lowest GameScore ever among top 15. Is that alright with you? :confusedshrug:

He also won it despite Kemp having a better overall series and a higher GameScore.


I'm sorry :(

[warriorfan]

What? MJ won FMVP with the lowest GameScore ever among top 15. Is that alright with you? :confusedshrug:

He also won it despite Kemp having a better overall series and a higher GameScore.


I'm sorry :(

Yeah man, Shawn Kemp > MJ

Gamescore. It

[And1AllDay]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]Yeah man, Shawn Kemp > MJ

Gamescore. It

[FKAri]

MJ's a fraud and a phaggit. We already know that. It's been proven time and time again. No need to make more threads on this matter.

[And1AllDay]

MJ's a fraud and a phaggit. We already know that. It's been proven time and time again. No need to make more threads on this matter.

:eek:Tru tho

[Poetry]

What? MJ won FMVP with the lowest GameScore ever among top 15. Is that alright with you? :confusedshrug:

Duncan's 15.9 GmSc in 2005 is the lowest since at least 1984.

Game Score data isn't available for the finals before 1984.

[SouBeachTalents]

OP's list ain't even right

2005 Duncan: 15.9
2011 Dirk: 16.6
1996 Jordan: 18.5
2010 Kobe: 18.7

[And1AllDay]

OP's list ain't even right

2005 Duncan: 15.9
2011 Dirk: 16.6
1996 Jordan: 18.5
2010 Kobe: 18.7

Is Dirk top 15 tho

Timmy is a good point tho

[MJistheGOAT]

OP's list ain't even right

2005 Duncan: 15.9
2011 Dirk: 16.6
1996 Jordan: 18.5
2010 Kobe: 18.7

So LeCollude lost against the 2nd worst GameScore FMVP, who didnt even got more than his superstar teammate??? Ugly.

[TheCorporation]

So LeCollude lost against the 2nd worst GameScore FMVP, who didnt even got more than his superstar teammate??? Ugly.

Kemp had a higher GameScore than Michael Frauden in 1996 :eek:

[Poetry]

Kemp had a higher GameScore than Michael

Yes, but only by .4.

And Payton had the 3rd highest.

[Phoenix]

Kemp had a higher GameScore than Michael Frauden in 1996 :eek:

So you're telling me Lebron lost to a guy with a 16.6 GmSc when he had a 22.7 GmSc guy on his team?

#notmyGOAT :(

[TheCorporation]

Yes, but only by .4.

And Payton had the 3rd highest.


Okay so which is worse?

Kemp having a higher game score or Jason Terry? Keep in mind that Jordan actually won his series...

[Phoenix]

Okay so which is worse?

Kemp having a higher game score or Jason Terry? Keep in mind that Jordan actually won his series...

Which is worse? Lebron having a 10.6 GmSc in 2007 or Manu with an 11.8?

[ImKobe]

OP's list ain't even right

2005 Duncan: 15.9
2011 Dirk: 16.6
1996 Jordan: 18.5
2010 Kobe: 18.7

Upon some further research, Lebron lost to:

Parker 16.2 GmSc
Dirk 16.6 GmSc
Kawhi 15.8 GmSc
Iggy 13.6 GmSc

:eek:

[Phoenix]

Upon some further research, Lebron lost to:

Parker 16.2 GmSc
Dirk 16.6 GmSc
Kawhi 15.8 GmSc
Iggy 13.6 GmSc

:eek:
This changes everything.

[Manny98]

Upon some further research, Lebron lost to:

Parker 16.2 GmSc
Dirk 16.6 GmSc
Kawhi 15.8 GmSc
Iggy 13.6 GmSc

:eek:
Kobe got swept by Jason Terry what's your point