Tesla unveils Model Y

[MaxFly]

Tesla Model Y event in 3 minutes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knaskUXb12A)

Looks like another winner for Tesla. Hopefully they can get their production and quality issues under control with the Model 3 and avoid those issues with the Model Y. They've certainly brought S3XY back.

All that said, his presentations are generally really awkward. Fans don't mind - they see it as endearing - but at some point, he's going to need to add some polish.

[NumberSix]

I don’t think the whole electric car thing is ever going to take off. It’s inevitable that some other fuel source is going to have to replace gasoline. The whole ‘giant rechargeable battery’ thing just has such obvious limitations that it’s just isn’t a realistic replacement for gas.

[kennethgriffen]

Tesla Model Y event in 3 minutes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knaskUXb12A)

Looks like another winner for Tesla. Hopefully they can get their production and quality issues under control with the Model 3 and avoid those issues with the Model Y. They've certainly brought S3XY back.

All that said, his presentations are generally really awkward. Fans don't mind - they see it as endearing - but at some point, he's going to need to add some polish.


you think this is a winner?

https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/LEKjM/s3/tesla-model-y.jpg

[scuzzy]

I don’t think the whole electric car thing is ever going to take off. It’s inevitable that some other fuel source is going to have to replace gasoline. The whole ‘giant rechargeable battery’ thing just has such obvious limitations that it’s just isn’t a realistic replacement for gas.
Yeah man, can't imagine not fueling up my cell phone with of dinosaur piss and feces anymore

Plugging it into a wall at 1/50 cost seems impractical

IMO electricity is overrated

[Overdrive]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]I don

[NumberSix]

Yeah man, can't imagine not fueling up my cell phone with of dinosaur piss and feces anymore

Plugging it into a wall at 1/50 cost seems impractical

IMO electricity is overrated
So, you think there

[Overdrive]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]So, you think there

[RoseCity07]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]I don

[NumberSix]

Solar is the future. We have all the energy we will ever need witht the son.
Solar powered planes? How do they fly at night when the ‘son’ isn’t out?

[Vino24]

The design and shape is kind of stale at this time. Is it actually going to be affordable to the masses? 2nd thing he needs to do is create an actual 4x4 electric truck that can go off road. That is a huge part of the market

[RoseCity07]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Solar powered planes? How do they fly at night when the

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]I don

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]So, you think there

[bladefd]

I don’t think the whole electric car thing is ever going to take off. It’s inevitable that some other fuel source is going to have to replace gasoline. The whole ‘giant rechargeable battery’ thing just has such obvious limitations that it’s just isn’t a realistic replacement for gas.

Electricity is what our civilization is going towards as a whole at the consumer level and slowly (too slowly imo) at commercial level.

The only limitation currently is range (mostly due to inefficient battery storage), but within next 5yrs, I expect range for fully charged batteries to equal or even exceed that of gas cars on full tank.

What other limitations do you see beyond range and maybe battery disposal at the end of its life-cycle being not environmentally friendly? Coal has to go because 40% of electricity generated globally comes from coal - that must change fast.

[bladefd]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]So, you think there

[Overdrive]

Electricity is what our civilization is going towards as a whole at the consumer level and slowly (too slowly imo) at commercial level.

The only limitation currently is range (mostly due to inefficient battery storage), but within next 5yrs, I expect range for fully charged batteries to equal or even exceed that of gas cars on full tank.

What other limitations do you see beyond range and maybe battery disposal at the end of its life-cycle being not environmentally friendly?

The creation also isn't enviroment friendly. I'm sure 100 years down the road cars won't need batteries anymore. Electricity will be induced by the roads themselves.

[NumberSix]

There are certainly limitations, but as more fast charging stations that can provide 150-200 miles of range in 15 minutes
You can fill up your gas tank in 20 seconds. Nobody wants to stand around for 15 minutes waiting to charge their cars. Can you even imagine the line ups. If there are 3 people in line ahead of you, you have to wait 45 minutes and then another 15 minutes to charge your own car. This is not realistic.

[nathanjizzle]

numbersix has to be the dumbest person on this board.

[bladefd]

You can fill up your gas tank in 20 seconds. Nobody wants to stand around for 15 minutes waiting to charge their cars. Can you even imagine the line ups. If there are 3 people in line ahead of you, you have to wait 45 minutes and then another 15 minutes to charge your own car. This is not realistic.

How often do you drive 600 miles in a single day? (400 miles full overnight charge + 15mins of supercharge to add 200 miles)

[Ben Simmons 25]

How often do you drive 600 miles in a single day? (400 miles full overnight charge + 15mins of supercharge to add 200 miles)

Bingo.

[bladefd]

The creation also isn't enviroment friendly. I'm sure 100 years down the road cars won't need batteries anymore. Electricity will be induced by the roads themselves.

Good point. I do believe though that overall life cycle of a car battery is significantly more environmental friendly (including creation and disposal) than a typical gas car's life cycle. Remember, gas cars are more complex with way more moving parts and require not just gas but oil + more maintenance.

[NumberSix]

How often do you drive 600 miles in a single day? (400 miles full overnight charge + 15mins of supercharge to add 200 miles)
When you go to a store, how do you think all those items got there? Teleportation? How do you think that things like fruits and vegetables from California get to places like New Jersey? They

[bladefd]

When you go to a store, how do you think all those items got there? Teleportation? How do you think that things like fruits and vegetables from California get to places like New Jersey? They’re transported by big trucks.

You think these big trucks are gonna go electric? How many times do you think these trucks would have to stop and recharge on the trip from California to New Jersey?

You think public transportation like buses are gonna go electric?

I mean, I guess it’s possible. Maybe there will be a new technology that makes it possible to charge a giant battery in like 20 seconds.

We were talking about cars and then you ask about planes. Your argument on planes gets destroyed so you return to cars asking about long recharge times/range. Your argument on recharge times/range gets destroyed and then you ask about trucks. You going to ask about rockets next? Maybe subway trains or warp drives? :oldlol:

Yes, semi-trucks would be difficult but can have batteries too. Keep in mind truck drivers don't drive 24/7. They need rest too so you could have electric chargers at rest stops for the 5-6hrs they sleep to rest. Anyways, you can have hybrid trucks that use both gas and electricity in conjunction together to maximize range. I think many hybrid vehicles use gas to charge electric batteries and the motors are electric so you can push efficiency/mileage. You don't necessarily need 100% electric trucks for near future.

Overdrive made a good point too about induction charging on roads, which is within reach. I think many electric trains and trams work like that with hooks touching wires running at the top. You can have induction on roads themselves and still be perfectly safe to touch them without electrocution.. That is few decades away but very much doable.

Going to ask about electric rockets next or electric warp drives next?? :oldlol:

[NumberSix]

We were talking about cars and then you ask about planes. Your argument on planes gets destroyed so you return to cars asking about long recharge times/range. Your argument on recharge times/range gets destroyed and then you ask about trucks. You going to ask about rockets next? Maybe subway trains or warp drives?
If by

[MaxFly]

You can fill up your gas tank in 20 seconds. Nobody wants to stand around for 15 minutes waiting to charge their cars. Can you even imagine the line ups. If there are 3 people in line ahead of you, you have to wait 45 minutes and then another 15 minutes to charge your own car. This is not realistic.

The goal is to get to a point where people won't need to stand around for 15 minutes to charge their vehicle except on rare occasions. The current plan is to build infrastructure that will allow people to easily keep their vehicles charged by charging when they park in parking lots, on the street or at home. Many malls, hospitals, sports stadiums, hotels, restaurants and even gyms have installed or allowed car chargers to be installed on their premises already. Most people who own electric vehicles primarily charge those vehicles at home.

The only driving limitation that persists is the issue with charging up on long road trips. However, a car with 200-250 mile range and that can significantly charge up in 20 minutes should allow for normal behavior. After being in a car for 3-4 hours, most people will stop at a rest stop to stretch their legs and use the bathroom. With the proper infrastructure, the car can be charging at those rest stops during those routine stops.

Again, what are the limitations you are talking about?

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]When you go to a store, how do you think all those items got there? Teleportation? How do you think that things like fruits and vegetables from California get to places like New Jersey? They

[NumberSix]

The goal is to get to a point where people won't need to stand around for 15 minutes to charge their vehicle except on rare occasions. The current plan is to build infrastructure that will allow people to easily keep their vehicles charged by charging when they park in parking lots, on the street or at home. Many malls, hospitals, sports stadiums, hotels, restaurants and even gyms have installed or allowed car chargers to be installed on their premises already. Most people who own electric vehicles primarily charge those vehicles at home.

The only driving limitation that persists is the issue with charging up on long road trips. However, a car with 200-250 mile range and that can significantly charge up in 20 minutes should allow for normal behavior. After being in a car for 3-4 hours, most people will stop at a rest stop to stretch their legs and use the bathroom. With the proper infrastructure, the car can be charging at those rest stops during those routine stops.

Again, what are the limitations you are talking about?
Look, I

[MaxFly]

Look, I’m not guaranteeing that I’m right. We’re doing future predicting here. I’m just of the opinion that it’s more likely that some other fuel comes along than battery powered cars replacing gas powered cars as the dominant engine type.

What other fuel? We'll be seeing a lot of electric vehicles released over the next decade. It sounds like you're saying that they won't gain much marketshare. Other than hydrogen, there are no other low emission fuels on horizon... so what other fuel? And how long?

[Kblaze8855]

You think public transportation like buses are gonna go electric?

You need to google that one. Electric buses make more sense than cars. Cities are already setting up to convert.

You wont see a gas powered bus in a major city in 20 years or so.

Im in a city you never heard of and they are talking about electric buses.

[MaxFly]

You need to google that one. Electric buses make more sense than cars. Cities are already setting up to convert.

You wont see a gas powered bus in a major city in 20 years or so.

Im in a city you never heard of and they are talking about electric buses.

And you know what you would find if you googled it...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electric_bus_makers_and_models

or...

http://www.emoss.nl/en/electric-bus/minibus/

or...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-23/electric-buses-are-hurting-the-oil-industry

Sometimes Six gets too deep into his argument, loses himself, and starts saying some wild, nonsensical stuff. :confusedshrug:

[Kblaze8855]

Shit...

China buys 9500 electric buses a month?

[Ben Simmons 25]

Anyone that doesn't think electric is the future of all types of vehicles is ****ing insane.

The only question is how do we generate enough electricity in an environmentally friendly way... I suspect that revolves around the sun... and also... can we figure out a way to charge batteries faster?

I'm also confident that in the future, even if we don't figure out even faster charging(though we eventually will), what we will have is instead of "gas stations"... are "battery stations" where you stop, pop your battery out and exchange it for one that's full... which would still be faster than filling up a gas tank. That's the worst case scenario, given enough time.

Electric is 100% the future of vehicle energy.

It will be cheaper for numerous reasons.
It will be better for the environment.
It won't be causing as much cancer.

It's just better. Period.

[Draz]

While I don't doubt battery is the way to go, we also are starting at a bare minimum. Battery improvements in our smartphones have not improved drastically over the past 15 years and will not. For cars? Maybe the technology is a little more advance and the possibility is higher but I can't see cars lasting 200k miles on electricity. We'll offset longevity for efficiency.

[MaxFly]

Shit...

China buys 9500 electric buses a month?

Yeah... lol when the Chinese buy into a technology, they go hard. And it makes perfect sense given their major issues with pollution due to their manufacturing plants and coal burning.

This chart is crazy.

https://i.ibb.co/fFr6dJT/1x-1.png

12 cities - London, Paris, Los Angeles, Copenhagen, Barcelona, Quito, Vancouver, Mexico City, Milan, Seattle, Auckland, and Cape Town - have committed to buying only electric buses from 2025 on. (https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1113794_these-12-cities-will-buy-only-electric-buses-from-2025-on-more-expected-to-join)

In the US, the average bus route is relatively short, so with even a 150 mile range battery, they can run for a significant portion of the day before needing to be charged. That charging can be done organically during breaks or on layovers between routes. Same for school buses that run normal routes. There are still kinks to work out. Buses have significantly diminished range in extreme weather, but that hasn't stopped cities like NYC which has plans to convert it's fleet to all-electric by 2040.

I find it hard to understand why or how anyone could express doubt that public transportation will move to electric when it's actually already happening in certain places and more cities are planning for do so. :confusedshrug:

[NumberSix]

And you know what you would find if you googled it...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electric_bus_makers_and_models

or...

http://www.emoss.nl/en/electric-bus/minibus/

or...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-23/electric-buses-are-hurting-the-oil-industry

Sometimes Six gets too deep into his argument, loses himself, and starts saying some wild, nonsensical stuff. :confusedshrug:
Again, I’m not saying I’m “right”. It’s an opinion about the future.

In order for battery powered engines to be the dominant engine type the way the combustion engine currently is, there would have to be some kind of fast charging technology. It might happen. If of course is possible to output a large jolt of energy instantly, but I don’t know if we’re close to having the battery technology where a rechargeable battery can effectively take in and store one big, short burst of energy.

I think it’s more likely that somebody invents some kind of synthetic liquid fuel. I could be wrong.

[MaxFly]

Maybe the technology is a little more advance and the possibility is higher but I can't see cars lasting 200k miles on electricity. We'll offset longevity for efficiency.

The technology, and resulting issues that creep up, are still relatively new when trying to figure out what will happen after long-term, real world use, but electric vehicles generally require less maintenance because there are fewer moving parts. There is actually an instance of a Tesla that has gone 300k+ miles. (https://jalopnik.com/this-is-what-happens-when-you-put-300-000-miles-on-a-te-1798662230) It required some maintenance, but nothing particularly crazy. The impressive this is that it only saw 6% battery degredation after 200k miles.

[Draz]

The technology, and resulting issues that creep up, are still relatively new when trying to figure out what will happen after long-term, real world use, but electric vehicles generally require less maintenance because there are fewer moving parts. There is actually an instance of a Tesla that has gone 300k+ miles. (https://jalopnik.com/this-is-what-happens-when-you-put-300-000-miles-on-a-te-1798662230) It required some maintenance, but nothing particularly crazy. The impressive this is that it only saw 6% battery degredation after 200k miles.
Under what weather conditions? What about freezing temperatures?

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Again, I

[MaxFly]

Under what weather conditions? What about freezing temperatures?

There is definitely range loss since the batteries need to be pre-heated during extreme cold, and the obvious use of heaters during trips, but battery degredation long-term should still be minimal, and even the range decrease can be mitigated if the car is plugged in as the batteries warm. I read a blog from a guy in Norway who routinely drove his EV in cold whether and he didn't notice any significant issues apart from the expected range decrease.

[bladefd]

If by ‘destroyed’ you mean, you agree that planes and trucks are not going to go electric, then ok. If agreeing with me on that is ‘destroyed’ then I certainly got destroyed.

Trucks will go electric sooner or later. Like I said, truckers don't drive 24/7. They need rest too. You need to invest in supercharger infrastructure at rest stops. Yes, it may not happen for several years, but it is bound to happen sooner or later because there is money to be made there.

Truck drivers are legally able to drive only about 11hrs/day by Department of Transportation law. That works out to an average of 600-650 miles a day*

Keep in mind that the law includes required 30 minute break in middle of the day**, which can extend about 250 miles with use of supercharger.

So you need about 400 miles of range on the truck, which is just a couple years away and easily feasible, and supercharger in rest stops for that 30min break, which would require infrastructure investment (but as I said, there is money to be made there). You can easily get the 650 miles out of the truck per each 24hrs.

Next question?



* https://www.ziprecruiter.com/e/How-Many-Miles-Is-a-Truck-Driver-Allowed-to-Drive-in-one-Day
** https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/trucks/a16644/the-grueling-life-of-a-long-haul-trucker

[MaxFly]

Trucks will go electric sooner or later. Like I said, truckers don't drive 24/7. They need rest too. You need to invest in supercharger infrastructure at rest stops. Yes, it may not happen for several years, but it is bound to happen sooner or later because there is money to be made there.

Truck drivers are legally able to drive only about 11hrs/day by Department of Transportation law. That works out to an average of 600-650 miles a day*

Keep in mind that the law includes required 30 minute break in middle of the day**, which can extend about 250 miles with use of supercharger.

So you need about 400 miles of range on the truck, which is just a couple years away and easily feasible, and supercharger in rest stops for that 30min break, which would require infrastructure investment (but as I said, there is money to be made there). You can easily get the 650 miles out of the truck per each 24hrs.

Next question?

* https://www.ziprecruiter.com/e/How-Many-Miles-Is-a-Truck-Driver-Allowed-to-Drive-in-one-Day
** https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/trucks/a16644/the-grueling-life-of-a-long-haul-trucker

Yup, it's really all about infrastructure. Not to mention, the assisted/automated driving features that will be incorporated into many of these electric semis would likely allow for small increases in the amount of time drivers would be allowed to drive. These trucks are generally driving straight in the same lane for hours at a time. Even a one hour bump from 11hrs to 12hrs would allow for significant efficiency gains and cost savings for companies in addition to the savings on fuel costs.

I'll be honest, when I first heard about electic semis years ago, I thought "Meh... maybe, but most likely not. Too many obstacles." But once you really think about the benefits, it makes a great deal of sense, even factoring in the limitations. If thinks go well, maybe we can get a remake of "Breaker, Breaker!" or "Over the Top."

[Ben Simmons 25]

Biggest miss for model y, as mentioned in this thread, is that aesthetically it doesn't differentiate from anything else they've released.

I mean, if I saw a Tesla on the street I honestly wouldn't have the slightest clue how to tell you what any specific model is other than the roadster... other than that, they all look like the same damn car.

[MaxFly]

Biggest miss for model y, as mentioned in this thread, is that aesthetically it doesn't differentiate from anything else they've released.

I mean, if I saw a Tesla on the street I honestly wouldn't have the slightest clue how to tell you what any specific model is other than the roadster... other than that, they all look like the same damn car.

I think that's a function of some of the aerodynamic choices as well as attempts to maintain some redundancy in the manufacturing process. The Model S, Model 3 and Model X top the lists of electric cars with the best range. The Model Y is likely to fit in between the 3 and the X.

[Ben Simmons 25]

I think that's a function of some of the aerodynamic choices as well as attempts to maintain some redundancy in the manufacturing process. The Model S, Model 3 and Model X top the lists of electric cars with the best range. The Model Y is likely to fit in between the 3 and the X.

Oh I

[Draz]

Am I the only one that thinks the teslas aren't as appealing visually? They all look the same and honestly has no real shape to it. It's like a blank car with a badge. Idk if that's the style but other than the roadster they all look the same and don't have much going for it visually.

[Vino24]

Another $60k that the masses can

[Overdrive]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Again, I

[NumberSix]

I wrote it twice already and you ignored it. It's theoretically possible that you can build infrastructure where charging isn't a necessity for electrical engines anymore.
Yes, I saw your post about the country being paved with energy emitting roads. There

[Overdrive]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Yes, I saw your post about the country being paved with energy emitting roads. There

[Draz]

Funny story. My former coworker is dating this guy (finally engaged) to him, he said if you buy me a tesla I'd marry you in the future. She ended up taking out loans and maxing credit cards to help him get the car which she still does pay for. They're getting married in May but, I found it funny that he was making okay money ($60k) as an IT tech, she was making $33k living in his mom's house, one bed room "attempting to save up for a house" living like roaches. Just to have this car.

Funny how people want social status so bad they'd live like shit for it.

Every time I see this guy he screams insecurity. They swear they'll buy a house soon and penny pinched every time we went out for lunch she wouldn't buy or attempt coming out. She cup noodled it for 2 years. He was working 3-5 jobs a week.

I'm looking at websites like lease trader or swap a lease and to take over a lease on a tesla is $600-900+ a month.

It was a model S.

http://i67.tinypic.com/fcmwqw.png

[MaxFly]

At the moment yes, but so were electrical trains at some point.

I don't know if we'll see cars that are charged inductively as they drive in our lifetime, but I'm quite sure we will see parking spots that offer inductive charging in the future. Your car is at a 64% charge. You pull into the grocery store to get some fresh produce. You park in one of the inductive spots and go about your business. You come back 20 minutes later and your car is at 85%.

[DukeDelonte13]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Again, I

[bladefd]

There is also already subsidization for solar panels through solar rebates and SREC in USA, and I expect solar to continue to grow on residential housing.

The main issue is with commercial charging infrastructure and maybe rental buildings like apartments where the owners may not feel it worth adding panels for whatever reason.

[MaxFly]

The superchargers charge vehicles very quickly. Like 15 minutes will give you over 100 miles of drive time or some sh*t like that. Not as fast as gas of course but it's not like its several hours. Most people will drive around all day and just charge overnight at home.

Electric cars are 100% guaranteed to be the future. The infrastructure is already there, where all someone has to do is just plunk down some charging stations and that's it. That's nothing compared to what someone would have to do to set up a hydrogen fuel cell refueling station.

Clock how many miles you drive a day for a week. I drive 20k miles a year and if a tesla can get me 100-150 miles a day, which they easily do already, that's just fine. Electric vehicles already work for most people in terms of range and they are only getting better and better and better.

Amazon just invested 700 million dollars in a new electric car startup called Rivian. GM is trying to get in on it too.

The German gov. just agreed to subsidize 1.2 billion dollars for electric vehicle and battery development.

Yup, and everything you've said has been said already in this thread... at least 3 times... and he's moderated his stance in record time. He went from...

[QUOTE=NumberSix]The whole

[MaxFly]

There is also already subsidization for solar panels through solar rebates and SREC in USA, and I expect solar to continue to grow on residential housing.

The main issue is with commercial charging infrastructure and maybe rental buildings like apartments where the owners may not feel it worth adding panels for whatever reason.

All that roof real estate and on-prem battery systems will really help offset a sizeable amount of our steadily increasing energy needs over the next few decades. Government and business will really need to incentivize the adoption of solar, battery and charging technology.

[Velocirap31]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]I don

[Velocirap31]

The only hope in hell we have of powering a few hundred million electric cars and homes is nuclear. Solar is so expensive, inefficient, and takes up so much space that it is a joke. Panels need to improve tenfold from where they are now and we still need to store all that power somehow. Wind is even less reliable, but far cheaper than solar and takes up a fraction of the land area per kw/hr.

[Rocket]

No thank you to electric car.

[hiphopanonymous]

why am I so underwhelmed?

[CelticBaller]

what an ugly car

[hold this L]

Yeah man, can't imagine not fueling up my cell phone with of dinosaur piss and feces anymore

Plugging it into a wall at 1/50 cost seems impractical

IMO electricity is overrated
What is the prices of charging electric cars compared to gas cars right now?

[hold this L]

Yeah... lol when the Chinese buy into a technology, they go hard. And it makes perfect sense given their major issues with pollution due to their manufacturing plants and coal burning.

This chart is crazy.

https://i.ibb.co/fFr6dJT/1x-1.png

12 cities - London, Paris, Los Angeles, Copenhagen, Barcelona, Quito, Vancouver, Mexico City, Milan, Seattle, Auckland, and Cape Town - have committed to buying only electric buses from 2025 on. (https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1113794_these-12-cities-will-buy-only-electric-buses-from-2025-on-more-expected-to-join)

In the US, the average bus route is relatively short, so with even a 150 mile range battery, they can run for a significant portion of the day before needing to be charged. That charging can be done organically during breaks or on layovers between routes. Same for school buses that run normal routes. There are still kinks to work out. Buses have significantly diminished range in extreme weather, but that hasn't stopped cities like NYC which has plans to convert it's fleet to all-electric by 2040.

I find it hard to understand why or how anyone could express doubt that public transportation will move to electric when it's actually already happening in certain places and more cities are planning for do so. :confusedshrug:
This is actually incredible.


Funny story. My former coworker is dating this guy (finally engaged) to him, he said if you buy me a tesla I'd marry you in the future. She ended up taking out loans and maxing credit cards to help him get the car which she still does pay for. They're getting married in May but, I found it funny that he was making okay money ($60k) as an IT tech, she was making $33k living in his mom's house, one bed room "attempting to save up for a house" living like roaches. Just to have this car.

Funny how people want social status so bad they'd live like shit for it.

Every time I see this guy he screams insecurity. They swear they'll buy a house soon and penny pinched every time we went out for lunch she wouldn't buy or attempt coming out. She cup noodled it for 2 years. He was working 3-5 jobs a week.

I'm looking at websites like lease trader or swap a lease and to take over a lease on a tesla is $600-900+ a month.

It was a model S.

http://i67.tinypic.com/fcmwqw.png
People like this are such idiots and embarrassing. My car of 1.5 decades old just died recently. Could have bought a new car on many occasions. Waited until it died :lol and now bought a nice 2019 car that I can pay monthly in less than 2 days working.

[bladefd]

What is the prices of charging electric cars compared to gas cars right now?


A 2018 study from the University of Michigan's Transportation Research Institute found that electric vehicles cost less than half as much to operate as gas-powered cars. The average cost to operate an EV in the United States is $485 per year, while the average for a gasoline-powered vehicle is $1,117.https://www.energysage.com/electric-vehicles/costs-and-benefits-evs/evs-vs-fossil-fuel-vehicles/

Depends on area too because rates differ by area.

Maintenance costs are much less with electric cars too compared to internal combustion engine, which has way more moving parts & more parts that can go bad. Electric cars is mostly just the battery. No engine or oil costs, etc..

Also other incentives:

The Qualified Plug-in Electric Drive Motor Vehicle Tax Credit is the main federal incentive program for electric cars available in the United States. Under this program, the purchase of a new electric vehicle is eligibe for a tax credit worth $7,500 as long as it meets the following criteria:

-Purchased after December 31, 2009
-Uses a traction battery (as the vast majority of EVs do)
-Battery has at least 4 kilowatt hours (kWh) of capacity
-Uses an external plug-in source to recharge
-Has a vehicle weight rating of up to 14,000 pounds
-Meets emissions standardshttps://www.energysage.com/electric-vehicles/costs-and-benefits-evs/ev-tax-credits/


Of note, Tesla cars are no longer eligible for the full incentive. Only vehicles delivered by December 31, 3018 received the full credit. Vehicles delivered before June 30, 2019 will receive a credit of $3,750, those delivered between July 1, 2019 and December 31, 2019 will receive $1,875, and beyond that timeline no credit is available for Tesla.

Some states have their own incentives too.

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]I don

[Meticode]

Anyone who was excepting the Model Y to be affordable are ignorant. Like with anything for a major start up company you sell the premium products first to the rich then slowly scale back as the cars become cheaper to produce to provide a product to the masses. The Model S literally came out like 6 years ago. Give it time.

[MaxFly]

Anyone who was excepting the Model Y to be affordable are ignorant. Like with anything for a major start up company you sell the premium products first to the rich then slowly scale back as the cars become cheaper to produce to provide a product to the masses. The Model S literally came out like 6 years ago. Give it time.

Yup... this is literally what Elon Musk has said the company's strategy is. :confusedshrug:

[MaxFly]

https://i.ibb.co/C1yjVss/towing.jpg

Ford teases all-electric F-150 pickup truck by pulling a million-pound train (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=16&v=bXFHgoon7lg)

Promotional in every sense, but fun none the less. Pretty cool to see the technology advancing.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure electric vehicles are going to "take off." Ford is producing a hybrid of the F-150 in 2020 and they've invested $11.5 billion to produce 12+ hybrids and EVs by 2022. They've also teamed up with VW on electric and autonomous vehicles, with VW investing 2.6 billion in the effort. Doesn't mean that ICE vehicles are going away, but as our charging station infrastructure is further developed and more fast chargers come online, we're going to see wider adoption.

[bladefd]

https://i.ibb.co/C1yjVss/towing.jpg

Ford teases all-electric F-150 pickup truck by pulling a million-pound train (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=16&v=bXFHgoon7lg)

Promotional in every sense, but fun none the less. Pretty cool to see the technology advancing.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure electric vehicles are going to "take off." Ford is producing a hybrid of the F-150 in 2020 and they've invested $11.5 billion to produce 12+ hybrids and EVs by 2022. They've also teamed up with VW on electric and autonomous vehicles, with VW investing 2.6 billion in the effort. Doesn't mean that ICE vehicles are going away, but as our charging station infrastructure is further developed and more fast chargers come online, we're going to see wider adoption.

I'm curious whether companies like Ford & GM will evolve into the electric car world or if they are so beholden to the oil industry that they will die out/be replaced as 1-trick ponies. They will have to go all-in rather than simply have these promotional crap. Regardless, it will be very interesting to see how it unfolds over the next decade. Oil-driven cars have to be depreciated very soon if we want to have any shot in combating climate change.

[Rolando]

I just visited the US last month to hang out with my family. It struck me how absolutely incredibly cheap gasoline is.

In Germany, it takes about a 100

[MaxFly]

I'm curious whether companies like Ford & GM will evolve into the electric car world or if they are so beholden to the oil industry that they will die out/be replaced as 1-trick ponies. They will have to go all-in rather than simply have these promotional crap. Regardless, it will be very interesting to see how it unfolds over the next decade. Oil-driven cars have to be depreciated very soon if we want to have any shot in combating climate change.

Ford, specifically, has invested $11.5 billion to produce 12+ hybrids and EVs by 2022. Seems that they're serious.

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=Rolando]I just visited the US last month to hang out with my family. It struck me how absolutely incredibly cheap gasoline is.

In Germany, it takes about a 100

[bladefd]

I just visited the US last month to hang out with my family. It struck me how absolutely incredibly cheap gasoline is.

In Germany, it takes about a 100€ to fill my tank up....So when I first had to go fill up my brother's car which he lent me, I instintively figured on a signficant expense.....the thing took $38 to fill!

Anyway, how it the world are electric cars supposed to "take off" when gas costs pretty much nothing? It is a miracle that Tesla is in business at all.

Electricity is even cheaper, cleaner nowadays with coal industry dying, and much more efficient. Electric vehicles are much simpler too with fewer moving parts, increasing lifespan of said vehicle & cheaper maintenance in long run.

We used to get 40% of our electricity in US from coal just couple years ago. It's like 27-28 now, probably going to be hitting mid-tens within couple years. Coal is dead in US/Europe.

[Draz]

Borrowed my father's 2018 RX350 F-Sport for the week. In 3 days I spent $40 traveling 10 miles a day.

It's insane. For the week, $70. Great luxurious af vehicle, there's an article that says wealthy people own this vehicle, while my dad makes six figures it's insane to see how he drives and can keep up with it. He accelerates at red lights and shit.

Toss that bad boy on sport + mode and it's beautiful. I can't phantom paying this much and now the C8 2020 has me drooling but I know that V8 + monthly payments &&& insurance? Yeah.. Now I know why the average age for corvette owners is 71.

Tesla on the other hand, I'm still not too sold. The design seems over simplified. It's way too basic. No beautiful curves, nothing. It's like the car hasn't finished it design.

If it looked like the C8, fck yeah I'll hop on board.

[Draz]

This is actually incredible.


People like this are such idiots and embarrassing. My car of 1.5 decades old just died recently. Could have bought a new car on many occasions. Waited until it died :lol and now bought a nice 2019 car that I can pay monthly in less than 2 days working.
Tell me about it. I'm approaching $100k and don't have a car. I don't even think I can afford one and that's an understatement.

I honestly rather get a nice older vehicle.

I'm eyeing a RSX, TSX, IS300, or used Golf GTI.

I guess more power to people but before I lock in on a nice car I need to know I can buy a house if necessary. Priorities for some people are ridiculous. I have friends who don't pay rent and don't pay bills buying new cars and I'm sitting here like.. Dam they make under $18 an hr with a nice car I'm here feeling like a bum.

I'll give credit to NYC MTA though. Travel 15 minutes before the trip you're scheduled for and you'll be on time for work.

Makes commitment to a car less attractive.