NBA Exec. "Anywhere Lebron goes, [the front office] are suddenly under the gun"

[STATUTORY]

Lebron is a franchise killer. the toxicity is REAL with the LeGBT community

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2825420-what-could-the-lakers-get-for-lebron-not-as-much-as-you-think


"Even if you're solid in your job, you know that anywhere LeBron goes you're suddenly under the gun," he says. "Your only choice is to give him the keys and let him run it. And even if you didn't want that, your owner might. Because he doesn't have to deal with what comes with it."



"I still think you could get a decent package for him from a bad team," one Western Conference assistant GM says. "A first-round pick and a good young player. But it would've been a lot more a year ago, for sure."

[Phoenix]

The crazy thing is, KD's comments about toxicity have proved so on the mark and timely given what's happened. Lebron has been a horrible leader and galvanizer this year, whatever argument one wants to make about the roster makeup. I can't see any prime superstar outside of AD( who ain't done anything beyond stats) or Kyrie( who thinks the planet is flat so whatever) is going to risk their name being dragged through the mud when shit goes south, or getting little credit when things go right.

[STATUTORY]

The crazy thing is, KD's comments about toxicity have proved so on the mark and timely given what's happened this year. Lebron has been a horrible leader and galvanizer this year, whatever argument one wants to make about the roster makeup. I can't see any prime superstar outside of AD( who ain't done anything beyond stats) or Kyrie( who thinks the planet is flat so whatever) is going to risk their name being dragged through the mud when shit goes south, or getting little credit when things go right.

KD spoke it into existence

LeGBT community in shambles

[FKAri]

Establishes dominance wherever he goes. What a ****ing GOAT


The crazy thing is, KD's comments about toxicity have proved so on the mark and timely given what's happened. Lebron has been a horrible leader and galvanizer this year, whatever argument one wants to make about the roster makeup. I can't see any prime superstar outside of AD( who ain't done anything beyond stats) or Kyrie( who thinks the planet is flat so whatever) is going to risk their name being dragged through the mud when shit goes south, or getting little credit when things go right.
So you want guys who are more worried about how they look than what they do. Sounds like you prefer phaggits as leaders. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[Phoenix]

So you want guys who are more worried about how they look than what they do. Sounds like you prefer phaggits as leaders. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Since I know you like to bullshit for kicks, this is all the energy I need to use acknowledging that.

[3ball]

NBA Exec. "Anywhere Lebron goes, [the front office] are suddenly under the gun"


That's because lebron wins off talent, so it's on the front office to get him enough to win right away

but dynasties win off team development and organic teamwork, where it's on the star player to lead (russell), elevate teammates (mj), and set the tone (curry).. stars elevated teammates, not teammates elevating the star (moar help!)

Lebron basically panicked in 10' and gave up on a dynasty, opting for a quicker and easier fix - hopping on super-teams favored to win the Finals in year 1.. essentially skipping teammate and team development stages
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[STATUTORY]

That's because lebron wins off talent, so it's on the front office to get him enough to win right away

but dynasties win off team development and organic teamwork, where it's on the star player to lead (russell), elevate teammates (mj), and set the tone (curry).. stars elevated teammates, not teammates elevating the star (moar help!)

Lebron basically panicked in 10' and gave up on a dynasty, opting for a quicker and easier fix - hopping on super-teams favored to win the Finals in year 1.. essentially skipping teammate and team development stages
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Lebron is also deceptively hard to construct a team around because of his flaws as a player and inability to play in any systems

[FKAri]

Since I know you like to bullshit for kicks, this is all the energy I need to use acknowledging that.
Wait. Was your post serious?

[Phoenix]

Wait. Was your post serious?

No more or less than whatever you consider yours to be.

[BigTicket]

This quote seems to describe the situation around Lebron, more than Lebron himself.

It's certainly true that media + fans/haters will put a ton of pressure on the front office of any team that has Lebron.

[3ball]

This quote seems to describe the situation around Lebron, more than Lebron himself.

It's certainly true that media + fans/haters will put a ton of pressure on the front office of any team that has Lebron.
Why isn't lebron's game good for teammate and team development

Why do the front offices have to get him ready-made stars.. other guys win with less, i.e. Jokic, harden and others

[FKAri]

No more or less than whatever you consider yours to be.
Alright well if you want a serious response:

Lebron is a micro manager. He certainly wants to win but he also wants to control everything. It's natural to have that desire for highly motivated and driven people; which he is. The problem lies in the fact that he needs to realize that there is only so much he can focus on. No one is going to give him(or ANY player) full reign of a team as a player. And having half reign with a power struggle is a disaster. He needs to let other people do their job. He can certainly be a part of the process on deciding who comes onboard; be it players or other staff but he can't be the only voice. And then when you do choose a person to do a job you then you put your trust into that person and let them do their job. You delegate jobs to thoroughly vetted people you can trust. You don't hover around second guessing everything they're doing, thereby making both of you less efficient.

That being said, it looks bad because it's backfired. I just think this season has been overblown. Lebron's 34, he doesn't fit his team, and they've had injuries. It shouldn't even be a story. Lebron + Lakers = media seizure.

[3ball]

Alright well if you want a serious response:

Lebron is a micro manager. He certainly wants to win but he also wants to control everything. It's natural to have that desire for highly motivated and driven people; which he is. The problem lies in the fact that he needs to realize that there is only so much he can focus on. No one is going to give him(or ANY player) full reign of a team as a player. And having half reign with a power struggle is a disaster. He needs to let other people do their job. He can certainly be a part of the process on deciding who comes onboard; be it players or other staff but he can't be the only voice. And then when you do choose a person to do a job you then you put your trust into that person and let them do their job. You delegate jobs to thoroughly vetted people you can trust. You don't hover around second guessing everything they're doing, thereby making both of you less efficient.

That being said, it looks bad because it's backfired. I just think this season has been overblown. Lebron's 34, he doesn't fit his team, and they've had injuries. It shouldn't even be a story. Lebron + Lakers = media seizure.
Why isn't lebron's game good for teammate and team development

Why do the front offices have to get him ready-made stars??.. other guys win with less, i.e. Jokic, harden and others

[BigTicket]

Why isn't lebron's game good for teammate and team development

Why do the front offices have to get him ready-made stars.. other guys win with less, i.e. Jokic, harden and others

Because Lebron is nearing the end of his prime, so timing is critical. Personally I think his championship window is already closed, but others seem to think he still has a few years left, so they are rushing to get in before the deadline.

Lebron also won with less when he was earlier in his career.

In a few years when the pressure to win is gone, he can also go back to being a mentor for younger players, similar to what Dirk is doing.

[Phoenix]

Alright well if you want a serious response:

Lebron is a micro manager. He certainly wants to win but he also wants to control everything. It's natural to have that desire for highly motivated and driven people; which he is. The problem lies in the fact that he needs to realize that there is only so much he can focus on. No one is going to give him(or ANY player) full reign of a team as a player. And having half reign with a power struggle is a disaster. He needs to let other people do their job. He can certainly be a part of the process on deciding who comes onboard; be it players or other staff but he can't be the only voice. And then when you do choose a person to do a job you then you put your trust into that person and let them do their job. You don't hover around second guessing everything they're doing.

That being said, it looks bad because it's backfired. I just think this season has been overblown. Lebron's 34, he doesn't fit his team, and they've had injuries. It shouldn't even be a story. Lebron + Lakers = media seizure.

Now we're talking. :cheers:

In reality, every season since returning to Cleveland has been drama-filled stench by midseason. Winning the east covered it up. It's 'ugly' now for all the reasons you state in your last paragraph.

[TheCorporation]

Establishes dominance wherever he goes. What a ****ing GOAT


So you want guys who are more worried about how they look than what they do. Sounds like you prefer phaggits as leaders. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Wrekt

[hold this L]

Establishes dominance wherever he goes. What a ****ing GOAT


So you want guys who are more worried about how they look than what they do. Sounds like you prefer phaggits as leaders. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Lebron os a guy that is so insecure someone is taking his spotlight, he goes on twitter to let people know he's not watching something else. 🤣🤣

[eliteballer]

Good thing Riley regulated him..

[chains5000]

You can argue wether it's Lebron's fault or not, but the GM pressure is real.

[And1AllDay]

BREAKING: Team with best player in the world feels more pressure, expected to do good

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[3ball]

Because Lebron is nearing the end of his prime, so timing is critical. Personally I think his championship window is already closed, but others seem to think he still has a few years left, so they are rushing to get in before the deadline.

Lebron also won with less when he was earlier in his career.

In a few years when the pressure to win is gone, he can also go back to being a mentor for younger players, similar to what Dirk is doing.
Front offices have always had to get ready-made talent for lebron to win (Wade, Kyrie, etc)

So it isn't just because he's at the end.. he's always needed ready-made talent because his style of turning teammates into spot-up shooters is bad for teammate and team development

Ultimately, his skillset is too restricted to ball-dominance to produce a brand of ball that can compete well at the championship level

[3ball]

Lebron's 34, he doesn't fit his team


Exactly.. he always "needs shooters" because his skill restriction to ball-domination prevents him from playing off teammates/fitting with other playmakers

That's a big flaw and weakness compared to other greats

Ultimately, his ball-dominant style of turning teammates into spot-up shooters is bad for teammate and team development, and brand of ball, so his teams can't compete well at the championship level

[Spurs m8]

This quote seems to describe the situation around Lebron, more than Lebron himself.

It's certainly true that media + fans/haters will put a ton of pressure on the front office of any team that has Lebron.

No. Not even close.

LeGM is a thing....the media and fans aren't behind the closed doors demanding trades and suit themselves.

[Kblaze8855]

Lebron has played under the following GMs

Jim Paxson who was with the Cavs since 98 and has not worked since being fired like 150 games under .500. His 2 years with Lebron were the best the Cavs were his entire tenure.

Danny Ferry who went on to be GM of the Hawks and now the Pelicans. Hawks were well built till Lebron made them look like pretenders....Pelicans have been a dumpster fire. Cavs had their best teams in history and made the finals.

Pat Riley who won 2 rings with Lebron.

David Griffin who won a ring with Lebron

Koby Altman who went to the finals and I guess we will see how he rebuilds the Cavs...but I suspect he has peaked success wise.

Now Pelinka who I guess we also have to wait and see how the off seasons go.


All of them had their greatest career achievements as executives while Lebron was on their teams. Im not sure it looks good on a GM to claim Lebron runs a franchise to its detriment then when you run one....it does worse.

[Vragrant]

Lebron made a gross miscalculation going to the Lakers, and for someone who is usually quite calculated in his maneuvers he's been off his game on and off the court.

He's actually been exposed as maybe an achor on a team if its not built around him with 3D role players or allstars who are willing to sublimate their game to accomodate his ball dominance.

On top of that injuries considered his team hopping strategy just won't work anymore because he is not in his prime and looks to be on the decline. He can't carry the load anymore. Lebron even 2 or 3 yrs ago could have made this work but not now. He is blowing layups that in the past would have been dunks. He needs to (gulp) sacrifice his own game for once, and then he'll actually have a chance at a ring again.

[BigTicket]

Front offices have always had to get ready-made talent for lebron to win (Wade, Kyrie, etc)

So it isn't just because he's at the end.. he's always needed ready-made talent because his style of turning teammates into spot-up shooters is bad for teammate and team development

Ultimately, his skillset is too restricted to ball-dominance to produce a brand of ball that can compete well at the championship level

This is simply not true, Lebron's early Cleveland teams were full of young players.

As for his later teams, it's always the case that you look for experience when trying to win now. The same was true for Jordan, just look at his teams from 96-98, all of the main rotation players were 27 or older.

If Jordan had not retired from 99-01, he would look a lot like Lebron does now. No longer the best, but still expected to be the best.

[3ball]

Lebron's early Cleveland teams were full of young players.


He couldn't win with the young guys though, so he switched to veteran teams for the 2nd half of his career

That's the point - lebron's style of turning teammates into spot-up shooters is bad for teammate and team development, so he can't develop/win with young guys like MJ did

Accordingly, front offices had to get ready-made talent for lebron to win (Wade, Kyrie, etc).. Ultimately, his skillset is too restricted to ball-dominance to produce an organic brand of ball that competes well at the championship level against other organic brands (spurs, warriors, mavs, magic)





As for his later teams, it's always the case that you look for experience when trying to win now. The same was true for Jordan, just look at his teams from 96-98, all of the main rotation players were 27 or older.


MJ had already won with a young team (4th-year Pippen/Grant were 25 in 1991)

But players get older and all the greats established veteran dynasties by their 30's and the tail end of their primes - that's what greats are supposed to do - so they could live off the fat of the land/the championship system they'd built...

Whereas the team-hopping lebron must scramble to find more mercenaries.. it's pathetic and nowhere near what magic/kobe/bird/MJ/duncan had established by the tail ends of their primes





If Jordan had not retired from 99-01, he would look a lot like Lebron does now. No longer the best, but still expected to be the best.


He'd be past his athletic prime and past his prime period.. but by 34-35 (the tail end of his prime), he was still league MVP, scoring champ, and champion

Again, at the tail end of their primes, guys like MJ/kobe/bird/magic/duncan had established dynasties and could live off the fat of the land/the championship system they'd built... otoh, the team-hopping lebron must scramble to find more mercenaries.. it's pathetic and nowhere near what magic/kobe/bird/MJ/duncan did on the tail ends of their primes
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