Why did LeBron shoot so poorly in the 2015 playoffs?

[eliteballer]

Anyone figure it out?

[SouBeachTalents]

Why did Kobe shoot so poorly in almost every Finals?

[3ball]

Why did Kobe shoot so poorly in almost every Finals?
shooting 39% while taking nearly 40% of your team's shots can't win... Especially if your defensive assignment is a 7 ppg role player (Iggy) that you allow to be better than an all-time great (Curry).. And especially if you dominate the ball at a ridiculous rate (https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1) (50% more than the RS leader) so teammates are predictable play-finishers that can't perform well against the the best playoff teams.

Jordan never did these things - he never shot 39%, and he never let Byron Russell be > Karl Malone.. And unlike Lebron, who never guarded Curry, Jordan guarded Stockton a lot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOuMwmXtgd0)... He also had a heavier scoring load - in the 1997 and 1998 Finals, Jordan scored a higher proportion (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713728&postcount=54) of his team's points while on the floor than Lebron did in 2015 Finals.

[3ball]

he only shot 39% despite only being double-teamed 3 times per game (18 times in the entire series)..

How come Lebron shot so poorly despite getting secluded 1-on-1 over and over??... High volume - Lebron's efficiency is poor at the additional midrange and isolations required of high volume shooting, so he can't shoot well at high volume.. Otoh, Jordan WON the Finals, because he shot well at high volume - he shot 51% on 33 fga.

[Meticode]

He had been dealing with a bad back all season long. He was never near 100%. And he took on the Warriors by himself and still took 2 games. Kyrie was out the whole series except game one and Love wasn't there. The offense was strictly ran through him and him alone.

Mozgov
Thompson
LeBron
Shumpert
Delly
J.R.
James Jones
Mike Miller

...that was the rotation they usually ran out there against the Warriors after Game 1. :roll:

[FreezingTsmoove]

He had been dealing with a bad back all season long. He was never near 100%. And he took on the Warriors by himself and still took 2 games. Kyrie was out the whole series except game one and Love wasn't there. The offense was strictly ran through him and him alone.

Mozgov
Thompson
LeBron
Shumpert
Delly
J.R.
James Jones
Mike Miller

...that was the rotation they usually ran out there against the Warriors after Game 1. :roll:

He had elite shooter Joe Harris on the bench who is a better 3 point shooter than Curry

Bron just doesnt bring out the best in his teammates

[warriorfan]

He had elite shooter Joe Harris on the bench who is a better 3 point shooter than Curry

Bron just doesnt bring out the best in his teammates

Mozgov dropped 30 in game 4, then LeBron froze him out for the rest of the series

Jones Miller and JR as good as 3 point specialists as anyone. They were litterally hand picked for LeBron Ball.

The not enough help thing is getting comical at this point

[G0ATbe]

He shot only 2% worse than kobe did in his finals career.

[eliteballer]

Anyone figure this out?

[NBASTATMAN]

He had elite shooter Joe Harris on the bench who is a better 3 point shooter than Curry

Bron just doesnt bring out the best in his teammates


That is the reason BLATT got fired. He should have played Harris..

[LAmbruh]

He shot only 2% worse than kobe did in his finals career.
:yaohappy:

Lebron's worst still "The Mamba Standard"


see: 2011 2nd round sweepstakes more details

[3ball]

Lebron failed to have an efficient, 30+ series against championship-caliber comp until 16-18' - he failed every other time before that

That's nowhere near the goat, who was breaking hallowed playoff records against goat teams from his first try in 86' (63 pts)

Lebrons individual performance against champions is horrible compared to mj's

[FKAri]

And this is coming from a Kirby stan? Why did Kirby shoot so poorly in the regular season and playoffs of every single season he ever played?

[NBASTATMAN]

Lebron failed to have an efficient, 30+ series against championship-caliber comp until 16-18' - he failed every other time before that

That's nowhere near the goat, who was breaking hallowed playoff records against goat teams from his first try in 86' (63 pts)

Lebrons individual performance against champions is horrible compared to mj's


Lebron shits on any team MJ played vs besides those Knicks and PIstons.. Mj didnt have great series vs those teams either from what I remember..

Ive said it before MJ is a better player than BRON but his accomplishments came against weak competition compared to what Bron is going against..

Lebron has more impact on the game though..

[3ball]

Lebron shits on any team MJ played vs besides those Knicks and PIstons.. Mj didnt have great series vs those teams either from what I remember..

Ive said it before MJ is a better player than BRON but his accomplishments came against weak competition compared to what Bron is going against..

Lebron has more impact on the game though..
MJ was averaging 40 on 48% against the 86/87 Celts and 30 on 47% against 88-90' pistons - this destroys lebron's 07' Finals, or 26 on 35% vs the 08 celts.. or the 11 Mavs performance

And comp is no excuse because lebron had an extra all-star for his rings (2 perennial all-star teammates)

Give MJ extra all-star teammate and he would sweep the Warriors and every team in history (he was already 6/6 with just 1 all-star)

But teams had to win with just 1 all-star teammate in the 90's, due to goat parity, which lowered net ratings - there were 3-4 Spurs-level teams in the west that took turns losing to MJ in the Finals, while the late 00's spurs were the only 3-star team in the west, hence the higher net rating

And don't inflate his "impact" - lebron only took teams to the Finals because he had 2 star teammates from 11-17', and the 07 run in a weak Conference just like iverson, dwight, and kidd did in that same conference.. so don't overrate his impact - he should be knocked for FAILING to make the Finals in that easy Conference in 09/10, and ceding the easy run to dwight and a 50-win celtics team

[TheCorporation]

Because 6'2 Payton clamped him for 27 ppg on 41%


Oh wait that was someone else :lol :lol

Bron did 36 ppg on 40% against Dray, Klay, and Iggy

Imagine it

27 on 41% vs 6'2 Payton

Or

36 on 40% vs Dray, Klay, Iggy

[eliteballer]

Because 6'2 Payton clamped him for 27 ppg on 41%


Oh wait that was someone else :lol :lol

Bron did 36 ppg on 40% against Dray, Klay, and Iggy

Imagine it

27 on 41% vs 6'2 Payton

Or

36 on 40% vs Dray, Klay, Iggy

What are the chances that LeBron James has used HGH or Anabolic Steroids?

[TheCorporation]

Because 6'2 Payton clamped him for 27 ppg on 41%


Oh wait that was someone else :lol :lol

Bron did 36 ppg on 40% against Dray, Klay, and Iggy

Imagine it

27 on 41% vs 6'2 Payton

Or

36 on 40% vs Dray, Klay, Iggy

Anyone?

Thread backfire? :eek:

[Bronbron23]

It's pretty simple really. He was forced out of his comfort zone when Kyrie and love went down. He felt he had to score more but Lebron isn't really a high volume scorer. He's better and more efficient when he let's the game come to him and he takes his shots when the opportunity best presents itself. This is one of the reasons why mj was a much better scorer. Mj could let the game come to him and be efficient or he could force it and still be efficient.

Iggy was in the last year of his prime also and was a big, smart, athletic defender.

[3ball]

Comp is no excuse because lebron had an extra all-star for his rings (2 perennial all-star teammates)

Give MJ extra all-star teammate and he would sweep the Warriors and every team in history (he was already 6/6 with just 1 all-star)

But teams had to win with just 1 all-star teammate in the 90's, due to goat parity, which lowered net ratings - there were 3-4 Spurs-level teams in the west that took turns losing to MJ in the Finals, while the late 00's spurs were the only 3-star team, hence the higher net rating

And don't inflate his "impact" - lebron only took teams to the Finals because he had 2 star teammates from 11-17', and the 07 run in a weak Conference just like iverson, dwight, and kidd did in that same conference.. so don't overrate his impact - he should be knocked for FAILING to make the Finals in the 09/10, and ceding the easy run to dwight and a 50-win celtics team


Corporation avoiding this like the plague

[And1AllDay]

Because 6'2 Payton clamped him for 27 ppg on 41%


Oh wait that was someone else :lol :lol

Bron did 36 ppg on 40% against Dray, Klay, and Iggy

Imagine it

27 on 41% vs 6'2 Payton

Or

36 on 40% vs Dray, Klay, Iggy

3baLLLL caught again? Discuss?

[eliteballer]

Anyone figure this out?

[Dray n Klay]

Anyone figure this out?

WHY WAS KOBE IN GERMANY???

[SpaceJam2]

Because 6'2 Payton clamped him for 27 ppg on 41%


Oh wait that was someone else :lol :lol

Bron did 36 ppg on 40% against Dray, Klay, and Iggy

Imagine it

27 on 41% vs 6'2 Payton

Or

36 on 40% vs Dray, Klay, Iggy

Well that escalated quickly :eek:

[eliteballer]

Anyone know?

[SpaceJam2]

Because 6'2 Payton clamped him for 27 ppg on 41%


Oh wait that was someone else :lol :lol

Bron did 36 ppg on 40% against Dray, Klay, and Iggy

Imagine it

27 on 41% vs 6'2 Payton

Or

36 on 40% vs Dray, Klay, Iggy


/thread

[superduper]

Imagine thinking Klay/Iggy are better man defenders than Gary Muthaphucking Payton :facepalm :facepalm

These idiots saying "6'1" like MJ himself isn't just an inch taller than Payton. Not everyone can be god gifted 6'10 280lbs

Good lord mods...

[paksat]

Anyone?

Thread backfire? :eek:

so mj dropped 27ppg on the best perimeter defender of all time?

[ArbitraryWater]

He shot only 2% worse than kobe did in his finals career.

1% worse.

kobe wasn't a 42% finals shooter

[aj1987]

Mozgov dropped 30 in game 4, then LeBron froze him out for the rest of the series

Jones Miller and JR as good as 3 point specialists as anyone. They were litterally hand picked for LeBron Ball.

The not enough help thing is getting comical at this point
The Cavs got eviscerated that game, you turd munching retard.


Here's some FACTS about the 2015 Finals:


LeBron 2015

LeBron was purposefully slowing down the pace. You don't win against the Warriors (with a garbage ass team no less) playing run and gun ball. They're gonna out shoot you and destroy you. The Cavs would've lost in 4 straight blowouts if they played uptempo basketball.

He couldn't hand over the playmaking duties to others nor was he able to let others make decisions, because they're low IQ players. Shump and JR were terrible and can't create for others. Delly had a hard time bringing the ball up court. Actually, Shump is a below average playmaker, but the other two are worse than garbage.

The game in which Mozgov put up 28 points, the Cavs lost by 21 points. LeBron struggled shooting the ball, but he did have 20/12/8. 12 rebounds and 8 assists (oh wait, rebounds and assists only matter when it's Bird). Delly went 3-14, JR 2-12, Shump 2-9, JJ 0-3, etc.. A combined 18% FG%. Literally no one could hit a shot. To top it off, the Warriors went small and Moz couldn't guard anyone on the court. Bogut was benched and Green was playing at the C.

You're blaming LeBron for Moz not getting more involved in game 5 after the 28 point game, when in fact, the COACH played him 9 minutes. He played over 30 minutes in game 6 and LeBron got him involved. Dude put up 17/12/4.

For the series, the 3 guys who played the 3rd, 4th, and 5th highest minutes managed to score a combined 25.5 points on sub 40% TS. 29% FG% and 28% 3pt%.

LeBron James finished the 2015 NBA Finals with averages of 35.8 points, 13.3 rebounds, and 8.8 assists per game.

LeBron James is the first player in NBA Finals history to lead both teams in points, assists and rebounds for the entire series.

Without James on the floor, Cleveland

[TheCorporation]

[QUOTE=aj1987]The Cavs got eviscerated that game, you turd munching retard.


Here's some FACTS about the 2015 Finals:


LeBron 2015

LeBron was purposefully slowing down the pace. You don't win against the Warriors (with a garbage ass team no less) playing run and gun ball. They're gonna out shoot you and destroy you. The Cavs would've lost in 4 straight blowouts if they played uptempo basketball.

He couldn't hand over the playmaking duties to others nor was he able to let others make decisions, because they're low IQ players. Shump and JR were terrible and can't create for others. Delly had a hard time bringing the ball up court. Actually, Shump is a below average playmaker, but the other two are worse than garbage.

The game in which Mozgov put up 28 points, the Cavs lost by 21 points. LeBron struggled shooting the ball, but he did have 20/12/8. 12 rebounds and 8 assists (oh wait, rebounds and assists only matter when it's Bird). Delly went 3-14, JR 2-12, Shump 2-9, JJ 0-3, etc.. A combined 18% FG%. Literally no one could hit a shot. To top it off, the Warriors went small and Moz couldn't guard anyone on the court. Bogut was benched and Green was playing at the C.

You're blaming LeBron for Moz not getting more involved in game 5 after the 28 point game, when in fact, the COACH played him 9 minutes. He played over 30 minutes in game 6 and LeBron got him involved. Dude put up 17/12/4.

For the series, the 3 guys who played the 3rd, 4th, and 5th highest minutes managed to score a combined 25.5 points on sub 40% TS. 29% FG% and 28% 3pt%.

LeBron James finished the 2015 NBA Finals with averages of 35.8 points, 13.3 rebounds, and 8.8 assists per game.

LeBron James is the first player in NBA Finals history to lead both teams in points, assists and rebounds for the entire series.

Without James on the floor, Cleveland

[eliteballer]

Do we know?

[eliteballer]

Anyone?

[RealSkipBayless]

Different eras of competition.

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[ImKobe]

27.6 ppg on 42.8/17.6/76 splits against the EC

[warriorfan]

He’s lacking a diverse enough offensive game to shoot on that high of volume and still maintain good efficiency. His efficiency can get really bad as shown in 2015.

[Duncan21formvp]

He always shoots bad. Shot under 36% three times in playoff series.

[Axe]

Iggy truly was the x factor in this series

[eliteballer]

Anyone figure this out?

[1987_Lakers]

I remember being very impressed by LeBron in that Finals despite the fg%, he carried a scrub supporting cast to 2 wins against a 67 win team, he was so impressive that he got four FMVP votes despite losing. Bringing up the 2015 Finals is not a good example if you are looking to degrade LeBron.

[Ben Simmons]

He had a bad back that year

[eliteballer]

:eek:

[dankok8]

Lebron for his career shoots 37.5% on all shots further than 3 feet from the basket.

[Bronbron23]

Funny thing about this thread is bron stans did back flips trying to explain why this happened when even lebron himself said during those finals that shooting a alot of shots isn't his game. Even he acknowledged it's not a strength of his. Apparently bron stans know better than the king himself:facepalm

[AlternativeAcc.]

Funny thing about this thread is bron stans did back flips trying to explain why this happened when even lebron himself said during those finals that shooting a alot of shots isn't his game. Even he acknowledged it's not a strength of his. Apparently bron stans know better than the king himself:facepalm

You think black people built the pyramids.

Your thoughts don't matter little guy

[GrayGoat]

Is it true that op just gained the courage to emerge from the sneaker forum?

[eliteballer]

Lebron for his career shoots 37.5% on all shots further than 3 feet from the basket.

What? Can’t be true.

[Gudo]

Funny thing about this thread is bron stans did back flips trying to explain why this happened when even lebron himself said during those finals that shooting a alot of shots isn't his game. Even he acknowledged it's not a strength of his. Apparently bron stans know better than the king himself:facepalm

But he is the goat scorer right?

[trada7029]

he only shot 39% despite only being double-teamed 3 times per game (18 times in the entire series)..

How come Lebron shot so poorly despite getting secluded 1-on-1 over and over??...

High volume - Lebron's efficiency is poor at the additional midrange, isolations and contested jumpshooting required of high volume shooting, so he can't shoot well at high volume.. Otoh, Jordan WON the Finals, because he shot well at high volume - he shot 51% on 33 fga.


This

[eliteballer]

:eek:

[FKAri]

Is it true that op just gained the courage to emerge from the sneaker forum?

His posting in that thread is one of the most unsettling things I've ever seen on ISH.

This one:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?352391-Sneaker-Prices-Out-of-Control