if u have no.1 pick, duncan or zion?

[bobopenguin]

if we throw 21yrs old duncan back in this upcoming draft.. vs the 19yrs old zion, who would u guys pick first?

Tim duncan:

"Duncan is one of college's most dominating centers to play the game since
HAKEEM OLAJUWAN. Duncan makes all the right plays offensively which is
perhaps his only weakness is that it is raw but still devloping.
He is a HUGE defensive presence in the paint as a rebounder and a
shot-blocker. He isn't the kind of leader that some coaches would prefer."

Zion Williamson:

"Williamson has backed up the hype over his tools, bounce and quickness, which alone have been highly functional and effective. He ranks in the 89th percentile in transition, the 89th percentile on offensive rebound putbacks and the 87th percentile on cuts.

He'll immediately enter the league as one of its most destructive athletes, with physical abilities that create a special advantage at both ends, regardless of how refined or polished he becomes."

[Dr Hawk]

Duncan of course.

I don't expect much from Zion, apart from winning the slam dunk contest.

[MJistheGOAT]

LOL

Duncan was a 2-way monster and fundamentally sound AF, one of the more NBA-ready rookies I ve seen, also a good athlete, millenials here only remember old washed Timmy, go watch some young and prime/peak TD.

[Kblaze8855]

You could argue Duncan as the all time #1 overall pick far as best franchise player. You get 20 years of absolute unselfishness from a guy you can give 30 shots or 4 without complaint.....elite D....and you can coach him hard which helps keep everyone else humble? Nobody has a bad word to say about him....no distractions...no controversy....shuts up and plays basketball. Makes not a peep no matter how the team decides to use him.

Combo of longevity, professionalism, offense, defense, and coachability?

You really have to consider him as the all time #1 pick. A lot of the better players arent as useful for the long term interests of your franchise.

[jayfan]

Folks are always going to take the big man, for some reason.

Hakeem & Bowie over Jordan

Oden over Durant

:facepalm


I'm taking Zion every time. Especially in today's game.

[Uncle Drew]

What kind of question is that

[SouBeachTalents]

What kind of question is that
:oldlol: At least make it reasonable, like AD or Zion

[Ben Simmons 25]

Tim Duncan.

I’ll post a video of me sucking a **** if I’m wrong.

I’ll post a video of me sucking a **** if I’m right.

I’ll post a video of me sucking a **** no matter what.

[AirFederer]

Duncan every day and twice on Sunday

[FreezingTsmoove]

:facepalm

[Gotterdammerung]

Note how media pundits aren't willing to go further back than Anthony Davis when comparing Zion to the best number 1 draft pick.

Nobody with more than four brain cells is saying Zion will be the best pick from the last 20 plus years. :no:

[Mask the Embiid]

I'd rather have a 1 in 100 chance of Zion turning out to be the next lebron, than to have the sure thing in Tim Duncan(inferior to lebron).....That's just how highly i think of lebron


im rollin' with Zion.I''l risk the gamble :applause:

The upside is simply too high to pass up on

[G0ATbe]

Zion.

[AirTupac]

Zion. Tim was largely a product of Pop. Who knows what Tim would have become wasting on the Kings or Suns. You think a swimming fakkit who picked up a basketball at 16.....is a better prospect than Zion? These idiots are comparing an 18 year old to a finished hall of fame veteran but we're comparing them as 18 year old prospects who are about to be drafted.

Zion.

[the mesiah]

I

[stalkerforlife]

LMAO.

What a joke of a question.

[stalkerforlife]

I'd rather have a 1 in 100 chance of Zion turning out to be the next lebron, than to have the sure thing in Tim Duncan(inferior to lebron).....That's just how highly i think of lebron


im rollin' with Zion.I''l risk the gamble :applause:

The upside is simply too high to pass up on

As if Bran is better than Duncan. :roll:

[sdot_thadon]

As a Gm i think you have to go with Duncan before they put the question mark on the sentence. Knowing what we know as of now you can't pick Zion, perhaps he makes that a ridiculous claim 10 years from now.....

The fan in me would like to take Zion because of the modern game and him being better suited. There are questions i don't have answers to yet. Like will he stay at that weight or get evern bigger? Will his athleticism eventually wear his body down or will he be another one of those indestructible guys that rarely is hurt and can be explosive with all that weight? Or will none of that matter and he become another hybrid we've never seen before?

[IGOTGAME]

This is a ridiculous question. Tim is arguably the best rookie of all time and championship ready from day 1

[Akrazotile]

It’s impossible to “un-know” how Duncan’s career turns out. Obviously you pick him knowing he finishes top 10 all time, 2+ spots ahead of Kobe. Deep down everyone will take this ibto consideration when comparing them.


Im not saying people wouldnt still pick him if they COULD start the comparison completely fresh.

But they cant.

[hold this L]

Are you really comparing a kid with arguably a top 5 best player of all time and asking who is better? Seriously?

[E_Stamkos]

You could argue Duncan as the all time #1 overall pick far as best franchise player. You get 20 years of absolute unselfishness from a guy you can give 30 shots or 4 without complaint.....elite D....and you can coach him hard which helps keep everyone else humble? Nobody has a bad word to say about him....no distractions...no controversy....shuts up and plays basketball. Makes not a peep no matter how the team decides to use him.

Combo of longevity, professionalism, offense, defense, and coachability?

You really have to consider him as the all time #1 pick. A lot of the better players arent as useful for the long term interests of your franchise.

Such an intriguing post man.

[LeCola]

Goat PF vs a PF has both potantial to be goat or next A. Bennett?

[Akrazotile]

You could argue Duncan as the all time #1 overall pick far as best franchise player. You get 20 years of absolute unselfishness from a guy you can give 30 shots or 4 without complaint.....elite D....and you can coach him hard which helps keep everyone else humble? Nobody has a bad word to say about him....no distractions...no controversy....shuts up and plays basketball. Makes not a peep no matter how the team decides to use him.

Combo of longevity, professionalism, offense, defense, and coachability?

You really have to consider him as the all time #1 pick. A lot of the better players arent as useful for the long term interests of your franchise.


This is true but the same can be said of Lebron. While Bron also gives you more vocal leadership, community involvement, and package girth.

[LeCola]

As if Bran is better than Duncan. :roll:

I dont think but even he is better than Duncan I would chose Duncan in that situation too.

Imagine you pick Lebron, then he can not play with a great coach like Pop, playing Branball for years, trying to built a team over him but he leaves you and signes with a super team. Then you tank for next 3-4 years. If you draft well, he cames and wastes your teams future to built a super team but leaves one more time and you tank 3-4 years again.

Or you pick Duncan, coach is not matter, system is not matter. Spending all of his career for your team, winning multiple titles and retires as a true legend of your team...

[bobopenguin]

but u guys seems to forget, timmy stayed and finished college.
these days, this considered as negative, since extra 3 years in college = too old & molded, and if given extra three years of training for zion, who know what he will become.

i will still pick timmy tho, just cos he's a humble person.

[superduper]

Zion. Tim was largely a product of Pop. Who knows what Tim would have become wasting on the Kings or Suns. You think a swimming fakkit who picked up a basketball at 16.....is a better prospect than Zion? These idiots are comparing an 18 year old to a finished hall of fame veteran but we're comparing them as 18 year old prospects who are about to be drafted.

Zion.

Honestly I was laughing at the Zion posts but I respect this take even though you're wrong about him being a product of Pop.

But Duncan

[imdaman99]

Duncan but he is 1 boring ass winner. Even with all those championships, he doesn't have much hoopla.

[AirTupac]

Honestly I was laughing at the Zion posts but I respect this take even though you're wrong about him being a product of Pop.

But Duncan

I mean honestly I'd pick Duncan but I stand by my statements you cant compare the two across such vast spectrums. It's a different discussion if we're talking about the as young guys who are about to be drafted.

[IGOTGAME]

I mean honestly I'd pick Duncan but I stand by my statements you cant compare the two across such vast spectrums. It's a different discussion if we're talking about the as young guys who are about to be drafted.

Duncan was shitting on David Robinson from the day he stepped foot into Spurs facilities. That wasn't Pop. Timmy was a championship level first option from year 1/2. That wasn't Pop. Some of this stuff is just disrespectful.

[AirTupac]

Its not disrespectful when Zion is putting up some REALLY impressive numbers and is a massive talent himself. I mean the dude went 13/13 FG the other week and dropped 29 points WITHOUT a decent free throw game in COLLEGE. He's putting up some historical numbers comparable to Kevin Godamn Durant. I said I pick Duncan but people are brushing off Zion like hes just a random scrub prospect is just :oldlol:

[AirTupac]

I mean Duncan was what... a 4 year college player?


You know what his freshman season was?

9.8 pts /9.6 rebounds /3.8 blocks on 54%

for fking Wake Forest


ZION?

22.1/8.9/2.1 assists / 2.2 steals / 1.8 blocks on ALMOST 70% FG


Now tell me how Zion's fat ass tastes like ? :rolleyes:

[AirTupac]

Here I'll be easier on Tim Duncan as a prospect....


4th year college player Tim Duncan (22 years old)

20.8 pts / 14.7 rebounds / 3.2 assists on 60%

[IGOTGAME]

Here I'll be easier on Tim Duncan as a prospect....


4th year college player Tim Duncan (22 years old)

20.8 pts / 14.7 rebounds / 3.2 assists on 60%

Are you even a little familiar with Duncans upbringing re basketball?

Also, I'd take 2nd year pro Duncan over any possible future iteration of Zion Williamson.

[yeaaaman]

I don't understand how this is a question... Zion looks really fun with a high motor but how does he translate to the NBA as some sort of transformational talent to the point you would say he's better than Duncan? We're basically saying you guys believe he's a lock for like top-5 all-time. To me that's pretty ridiculous.

What is his all-time talent? He's got an awesome motor and good instincts in the passing lane but... he's raw as hell and a lot of his success comes from the fact he's bullying people much much smaller than him, but he's a 6'6 PF? He could turn into Barkley but he could also turn into a lot less than that. It's hard to say for sure how he'll translate.

I think he's very similar to Julius Randle and Blake Griffin but Griffin's skill level is obviously much higher and Zion is a fair bit shorter. He's going to have difficulty finishing over legit NBA size and men by just slamming into the rim, he'll have to develop a more refined skill-set - and obviously I understand he's only 18 or 19 or whatever but he has a ways to go. Look at someone like Luka Doncic and his ridiculous skill-set, forget his shot making and late game clutch abulitiy.

He could be great, I expect him to be a very good player but I don't think by any stretch he shuold be compared to a Lebron. Those who do will likely be really be disappointed.

[AirTupac]

Lol @ you comparing Zion to Randle. Not even a close comparison really.

Also stop bringing up Duncan's top 10 GOAT status. We're talking about them as 18 or 19 year old prospects. Of course no ones going to pick Zion if YOU KNOW Tim Duncan was going to be this awesome.

[yeaaaman]

Lol @ you comparing Zion to Randle. Not even a close comparison really.

Also stop bringing up Duncan's top 10 GOAT status. We're talking about them as 18 or 19 year old prospects. Of course no ones going to pick Zion if YOU KNOW Tim Duncan was going to be this awesome.

Who do you compare Zion to? Lebron? That's just as laughable, I'm saying there are similarities in their game (w/Randle) with the muscle ball they play. Zion is not Lebron and never will be point blank.

Anyways I take Duncan because he was seen as a sure-fire and polished player aka you know what you're getting at the next level. I don't know for sure what I'm getting at the next level from Zion other than instagram highlights.

[AirTupac]

Nah I dont know who to compare him too tbh. Def not LeBron either. I liked Randle as a prospect and player but Zion is just an upgraded version of Randle except Zion is a bigger beast, has way better handles and vision. He's going to be better than both Randle and Griffin if he stays healthy, thats for damn sure in my eyes.

[yeaaaman]

Nah I dont know who to compare him too tbh. Def not LeBron either. I liked Randle as a prospect and player but Zion is just an upgraded version of Randle except Zion is a bigger beast, has way better handles and vision. He's going to be better than both Randle and Griffin if he stays healthy, thats for damn sure in my eyes.

I don't think he'll sure fire be better than Griffin just for the fact Griffin is 6'10 and was just as explosive of an athlete when he came in which is why he was like 20-10 as a rookie. I see them being similar with outstanding finishes but Griffin has always been a solid player whose really developed an all-around game. I'd like to think Zion can do the same but I think his height might limit him a bit depending how he develops his all-around game. I don't know his position at the next-level.

[yeaaaman]

The one thing I like is - he isn't a great shooter and his form isn't that good but he's at least taking some 3's. Simmons for example is a generational talent but has next to zero confidence in his shot...but he needs to shoot when people play off him that much. I see people doing much of the same with Zion next year. But at least he shoots them. If Simmons would at least shoot 2 a game when absolutely open he will hit some and it at least makes the defense be somewhat honest because they halfway think he might shoot when being completely ungaurded.

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[AirTupac]

Thing with Zion is he has great footwork, great vision and handles. Griffin to this day still has piss poor footwork. Comparable for sure.... but I'd bet on Zion if he can stay healthy.

[Smook A.]

Anyone who doesn't say Duncan is a certified sped