Bulls needed scoring champ to win ring, but no one ever won scoring title/ring in yr

[3ball]

except MJ (6 times), and Kareem/Shaq once each in their peak season of 71'/00'

So the bulls couldn't have won with anyone else, since MJ was the only perimeter player in history good enough to fit league-best scoring into a championship brand of ball

[SouBeachTalents]

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[Manny98]

Scoring is that it? How about leading your team in absolutely every single area like LeGOAT :bowdown:

https://i.postimg.cc/6p2TzP3K/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d.jpg

[3ball]

Scoring is that it? How about leading your team in absolutely every single area like LeGOAT :bowdown:

https://i.postimg.cc/6p2TzP3K/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d.jpg
he'd win more often than 3/9 if he didn't need an equal scoring partner to win... :confusedshrug:

Whereas MJ won by scoring 10-20 more than 2nd option, so he won MORE (6 rings) and with LESS (just 1 star teammate)

MJ averaged more assists in the 1991 Finals and carried the scoring burden (10 more than 2nd option).. and of course, jordan's 41 in 93' was also superior, as both series (91/93) had the highest game score ever

[Manny98]

he'd win more often than 3/9 if he didn't need an equal scoring partner to win... :confusedshrug:

Whereas MJ won by scoring 10-20 more than 2nd option, so he won MORE (6 rings) and with LESS (just 1 star teammate)

MJ averaged more assists in the 1991 Finals and carried the scoring burden (10 more than 2nd option).. and of course, jordan's 41 in 93' was also superior, as both series (91/93) had the highest game score ever
D Wade averaged 15.9 ppg in the 2013 playoffs

MJ never won with a second option averaging below 16ppg

In fact Wade might be the lowest scoring second option on a championship team ever

[3ball]

D Wade averaged 15.9 ppg in the 2013 playoffs

MJ never won with a second option averaging below 16ppg


He won twice that way - pippen averaged 15.7 in both 96' Finals and 98' Finals

On 34 and 41% shooting, respectively.. pippen's 15 on 34% in 96' Finals is what, and he was outplayed by the 3rd option (schrempf)

[TheCorporation]

Scoring is that it? How about leading your team in absolutely every single area like LeGOAT :bowdown:

https://i.postimg.cc/6p2TzP3K/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d.jpg

:roll: Will NEVER be topped. EVER

[TheCorporation]

He won twice that way - pippen averaged 15.7 in both 96' Finals and 98' Finals

On 34 and 41% shooting, respectively.. pippen's 15 on 34% in 96' Finals is what, and he was outplayed by the 3rd option (schrempf)

Michael Jordan was outplayed by Shawn ****ing Kemp

/you lose

[The Iron Fist]

Scoring is that it? How about leading your team in absolutely every single area like LeGOAT :bowdown:

https://i.postimg.cc/6p2TzP3K/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d.jpg
He leads his teams in finals losses too.

[TheCorporation]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/US_1-9.svg/750px-US_1-9.svg.png

:eek:

[LoneyROY7]

Will you start hating on Harden when he does it this year?

[And1AllDay]

Scoring is that it? How about leading your team in absolutely every single area like LeGOAT :bowdown:

https://i.postimg.cc/6p2TzP3K/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d.jpg

Best Finals performer in NBA history (sorry Mike) with the 2016 Game 6 #1 GmScore all-time #1 rank :bowdown:

Comments 3baLLLL?

[And1AllDay]

Will you start hating on Harden when he does it this year?
Good question because he could definitely do it this year. I hope he does.

[Manny98]

He won twice that way - pippen averaged 15.7 in both 96' Finals and 98' Finals

On 34 and 41% shooting, respectively.. pippen's 15 on 34% in 96' Finals is what, and he was outplayed by the 3rd option (schrempf)
For the entire playoffs not just one series Pippen never averaged below 16ppg in any of the Bulls title runs

Whereas Wade averaged only 15.9 ppg so LeBron won with the lowest scoring second option ever :bowdown:

[And1AllDay]

For the entire playoffs not just one series Pippen never averaged below 16ppg in any of the Bulls title runs

Whereas Wade averaged only 15.9 ppg so LeBron won with the lowest scoring second option ever :bowdown:

:eek:

3baLLL caught again?!

[Kblaze8855]

Magic, West, and Cousy are the only people to lead the league in assists and win a ring the same season. And they combined to do it only 4 times in their 12 title seasons. Doesnt mean they are the only people who could win rings on those teams. The two things are unrelated.


Rodman, Moses, Walton, Wilt, and Russell are the only people to lead in rebounds and win the title.

Kareem and Walton the only ones to ever lead it in blocks and win(No doubt Wilt or Russell would have as well)

Leader in 3s has only won 3 times(Steph twice and Bird once).

The steals leader has won 4 times(Draymond, Jordan, Magic, and Rick Barry)

All these things are lists of 3-5 people.

None of their teams could only have won with the players in question. Or if so....the specific stats they put up arent the only way to do it.

Jordan led the league in scoring because he decided to do it and Phil allowed it. He was allowed to go into games we had won and score 8-10 quick points for his 30. Its not a secret. Its not new information. He cared about it.

And so what if he did? He did it while winning so im not sure why it matters.

He could feel a need to lead the league in cartwheels for all I care. Long as we win the ring.

[3ball]

Rodman, Moses, Walton, Wilt, and Russell are the only people to lead in rebounds and win the title.

Kareem and Walton the only ones to ever lead it in blocks and win(No doubt Wilt or Russell would have as well)

Leader in 3s has only won 3 times(Steph twice and Bird once).

The steals leader has won 4 times(Draymond, Jordan, Magic, and Rick Barry)

All these things are lists of 3-5 people.

None of their teams could only have won with the players in question. Or if so....the specific stats they put up arent the only way to do it.

Jordan led the league in scoring because he decided to do it and Phil allowed it.


your logic is 4th grade level:

Magic led the league in assists because he wanted to and his coach allowed it

Curry led the league in threes because he wanted to and his coach allowed it

Rodman led the league in rebounds because he wanted to and his coach allowed it

players can lead the league in anything just by wanting to!!!.. and apparently, MJ was the only guy that wanted to average 3-5 more than everyone in history - so it happened because he wanted it to!!... :facepalm

obviously, you sound ignorant and shallow... So I'll set you straight.. Magic led everyone in apg because he's the best passer ever.. Curry led in threes because he's the best shooter ever.. it takes skill and ability to lead a category; desire isn't a factor because everyone (or most) want to be a league-leader - but only those with the requisite skill achieve it





Magic, West, and Cousy are the only people to lead the league in assists and win a ring the same season. And they combined to do it only 4 times in their 12 title seasons.

Doesnt mean they are the only people who could win rings on those teams. The two things are unrelated.


let's try it your way.... let's replace MJ in the 98' Finals with another player that averages less points and can't carry the record scoring burden (38% of team's points)

In this scenario, the bulls would need more from pippen, but you can't ask a struggling 15 on 41% shooter to shoot MORE... ditto for the entire 96-98 playoffs, where pippen averaged 17 on 40%.. The bulls needed jordan's goat scoring BECAUSE of this kind of weak help; a lesser scorer would've been the exact opposite of what they needed and resulted in certain defeat

Now let's look at the first 3-peat, where pippen achieved career highs.. In the 93' Finals, both teams averaged exactly 113.0 points and 106.7 ortg.. so every bit of mj's 41 was needed, and pippen/grant were already at capacity (21/9/8 and 15/11)... Pippen/Grant were also at capacity in 1992, so MJ's goat scoring was needed in those Finals too... Only in the 1991 Finals did the bulls have a cushion with grant playing below capacity and the series was a blowout due mostly to MJ's unprecedented offense.. Btw, the 92 ecf (the "real" Finals) was like the 2nd three-peat where pippen struggled, so pippen couldn't be asked to shoot more

Ultimately, the triangle had role players playing to capacity - that's the entire objective of the system - so MJ's goat scoring was needed, and no one else could score at that level except MJ





He could feel a need to lead the league in cartwheels for all I care. Long as we win the ring.


:confusedshrug: ... I guess it's just your ignorance.. not much anyone can do for you

Ball movement is a better way to score and get role players shots because it wins more

But if you want to think that all scoring is the same, then go ahead.. you must be surprised at outcomes though, since you don't know what's going on

You think lebron/harden-ball is no different than curry/duncan-ball and it's just talent that wins right?... Okay.. carry on.. ur too lost for me .. but the results support my theory and not yours (this season is a case in point and has you in shambles)





He was allowed to go into games we had won and score 8-10 quick points for his 30. Its not a secret. Its not new information. He cared about it.

And so what if he did? He did it while winning so im not sure why it matters.


MJ never went back into games that were already won to get 8-10 more points - that's a troll and lie by you.. you're seeking attention or something with that lie

And don't post some one-off or some quote from dray n klay's book, I mean Sam smith

Show video footage of MJ going back into a decided game for an additional 8-10 points

Otherwise, stfu and ban yourself for lying
.

[LeCola]

11x All Star
10x Scoring Champ
3x STL Champ
6x NBA Champ
11x All-NBA
9x All-Defensive
1x All-Rookie
3x AS MVP
1x Def. POY
6x Finals MVP
5x MVP
1x ROY

In only 11 seasons

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown::bowdown: :bowdown:

[Doranku]

11x All Star
10x Scoring Champ
3x STL Champ
6x NBA Champ
11x All-NBA
9x All-Defensive
1x All-Rookie
3x AS MVP
1x Def. POY
6x Finals MVP
5x MVP
1x ROY

In only 11 seasons

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown::bowdown: :bowdown:

Seriously though, how do you compete with that?

[sdot_thadon]

Jordan led the league in scoring because he decided to do it and Phil allowed it. He was allowed to go into games we had won and score 8-10 quick points for his 30. Its not a secret. Its not new information. He cared about it.

And so what if he did? He did it while winning so im not sure why it matters.

He could feel a need to lead the league in cartwheels for all I care. Long as we win the ring.
Great post, solid point.

Also, I'm glad I'm not the only one that remembers the quoted portion of your post. I bring it up anytime I hear stat padding about modern guys and get looks of disbelief.:oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

11x All Star
10x Scoring Champ
3x STL Champ
6x NBA Champ
11x All-NBA
9x All-Defensive
1x All-Rookie
3x AS MVP
1x Def. POY
6x Finals MVP
5x MVP
1x ROY

In only 11 seasons

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown::bowdown: :bowdown:

Against?

Ether

Pre or post Pippen

Double ether

Ever had winning records vs Bird or Isaiah Thomas?

Tripe ether

Ever had a memorable Finals game in the top 5?

Quad ether

Thanks for playing

[TheCorporation]

Great post, solid point.

Also, I'm glad I'm not the only one that remembers the quoted portion of your post. I bring it up anytime I hear stat padding about modern guys and get looks of disbelief.:oldlol:

MJ could score, sure. But it's all he cared about.

He literally won a final series averaging 4 reb and 2 assists. That's not made up (GOOGLE IT) and I highly doubt anybody else has ever done that.

AND he got outplayed in 96 very badly despite winning FMVP. Shawn ****ing Kemp had a higher game score than him


GOOGLE IT

'96 NBA Finals
#exposed

[TheCorporation]

Seriously though, how do you compete with that?

Against?

Ether

Pre or post Pippen

Double ether

Ever had winning records vs Bird or Isaiah Thomas?

Tripe ether

Ever had a memorable Finals game in the top 5?

Quad ether

Thanks for playing

[3ball]

Against? Lebron faced 3-4 star teams WITH 3-4 star teams, while MJ faced 2-star teams with 2-star teams.. so it's no different - lebron had an extra all-star to face his foes


Pre or post Pippen (lebron never won without 2 stars, while MJ won with just pippen


Ever had winning records vs Bird or Isaiah Thomas? Lebron has losing records to way more guys

Ever had a memorable Finals game in the top 5? MJ has far more legendary Finals games, and Finals

Quad ether

Thanks for playing
Fixed

[3ball]

players can lead the league in anything just by wanting to!!!

Magic led the league in assists because he wanted to

Curry led the league in threes because he wanted to

Rodman led the league in rebounds because he wanted to

and MJ was the only guy that wanted to average 3-5 more than everyone in history - so it happened because he wanted it to!!...

^^^ that's obviously wrong... Magic led everyone in apg because he's the best passer ever.. Curry led in threes because he's the best shooter ever.. it takes skill and ability to lead a category; desire isn't a factor because everyone (or most) want to be a league-leader - but only those with the requisite skill achieve it


You guys are dumb as shit

I guess lebron averaged 27/7/7 because he wanted to... Anyone else could've done it but only lebron wanted to.. so only he did it. #ishdumbaf

[LeCola]

Against?

Ether

Pre or post Pippen

Double ether

Ever had winning records vs Bird or Isaiah Thomas?

Tripe ether

Ever had a memorable Finals game in the top 5?

Quad ether

Thanks for playing

Dude :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

11x All Star In only 11 seasons
10x Scoring Champ In only 11 seasons
3x STL Champ In only 11 seasons
6x NBA Champ In only 11 seasons
11x All-NBA In only 11 seasons
9x All-Defensive In only 11 seasons
1x All-Rookie In only 1 season
3x AS MVP In only 11 AS Games
1x Def. POY In only 11 seasons
6x Finals MVP In only 6 Finals
5x MVP In only 11 seasons
1x ROY In only 1 season

[Nikola_]

3Dissect running circles around Yawnblaze555 and TheCollusion :bowdown: :bowdown:

[TheCorporation]

Dude :lol :lol :

11x All Star In only 11 seasons
10x Scoring Champ In only 11 seasons
3x STL Champ In only 11 seasons
6x NBA Champ In only 11 seasons
11x All-NBA In only 11 seasons
9x All-Defensive In only 11 seasons
1x All-Rookie In only 1 season
3x AS MVP In only 11 AS Games
1x Def. POY In only 11 seasons
6x Finals MVP In only 6 Finals
5x MVP In only 11 seasons
1x ROY In only 1 season

Yeahhhh

Remind me again who was defending him out on the perimeter?

John Starks? :lol
Jeff Hornacek :lol
Craig Ehlo :lol

Please...

[TheCorporation]

3Dissect running circles around Yawnblaze555 and TheCollusion :bowdown: :bowdown:

Not a chance

0-6 vs Bird and 1-9 vs Pippen can never be erased.

And dont get me started on his Finals opponents again...

[LeCola]

Fixed

Nice fixing :rockon:

Also Bird was a better player then Lebron annd Thomas was almost as good as Lebron. They were with contender teams while Jordan not playing with a contender team.

Bird:

12x All Star
3x NBA Champ
10x All-NBA
3x All-Defensive
1x All-Rookie
1x AS MVP
2x Finals MVP
3x MVP
1x ROY

In only 12 seasons...

[3ball]

Jordan led the league in scoring because he decided to do it and Phil allowed it.


Everyone can "decide" to lead in a category, but it requires the necessary skill to actually do it

Magic and Curry lead in passing and shooting because they're the best in those categories

But according to you, they lead those categories because they're the only players that "decided" to.. :hammerhead: .. that's the level you stoop to in order to degrade MJ

#ishdumbaf.. #neverwatchedthegoat

[LeCola]

Yeahhhh

Remind me again who was defending him out on the perimeter?

John Starks? :lol
Jeff Hornacek :lol
Craig Ehlo :lol

Please...

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Nikola_]

Not a chance

0-6 vs Bird and 1-9 vs Pippen can never be erased.

And dont get me started on his Finals opponents again...

Noone wins every time and every series, but
LeSanta will never be GOAT because he gifted too much ...

[TheCorporation]

Everyone can "decide" to lead in a category, but it requires the necessary skill to actually do it

Magic and Curry lead in passing and shooting because they're the best in those categories

But according to you, they lead those categories because they're the only players that "decided" to.. :hammerhead: .. that's the level you stoop to in order to degrade MJ

#ishdumbaf.. #neverwatchedthegoat

Are you denying that Michael Jordan was a stat stuffer???

Just imagine it, spending your whole NBA career trying to stuff the stat sheets and score as many points as possible and then LeBron James just comes by and casually passes you up by 1000 points in the playoffs :roll: :roll:

[TheCorporation]

Noone wins every time and every series, but
LeSanta will never be GOAT because he gifted too much ...

Meanwhile FedEx MJ was dropping off finals MVPs to Joe Dumars, Isiah Thomas, and Larry Bird in the first round

[superduper]

D Wade averaged 15.9 ppg in the 2013 playoffs

MJ never won with a second option averaging below 16ppg

In fact Wade might be the lowest scoring second option on a championship team ever

Wade had more Gamescore in 2013 than LeGOAT did in 2011 :eek:

[Nikola_]

Meanwhile FedEx MJ was dropping off finals MVPs to Joe Dumars, Isiah Thomas, and Larry Bird in the first round

An'Drae Iguodayla too

[3ball]

Are you denying that Michael Jordan was a stat stuffer???

Just imagine it, spending your whole NBA career trying to stuff the stat sheets and score as many points as possible and then LeBron James just comes by and casually passes you up by 1000 points in the playoffs :roll: :roll:
If all the greats were stat-stuffers, then why single anyone out?

We can just look at the numbers and see that mj was the best.. :confusedshrug:

And if 1 guy won much more with his stats, then there must be something about the way he played that caused it (ball movement)..... and apparently, those small edges at the top level actually mean a lot

But you guys are still like: "hmmmmm... MJ is the only perimeter player to win the scoring title and championship in the same year, and he did it 6 times.... Hmmmm.... Well, anyone could've done it... Yup, that's it.... MJ was simply the only one that WANTED to, so he did it"... :yaohappy:... Most 4 year olds are smarter than this..

[LeCola]

Meanwhile FedEx MJ was dropping off finals MVPs to Joe Dumars, Isiah Thomas, and Larry Bird in the first round

Ok dude let's look with your logic. I will prove it step by step.

1-) You think Lebron is GOAT and MJ is not with that "against who" logic. Let's accept that logic is true.

2-) Lebron played against Durant in playoffs 3 rounds and they were all finals.

3-) What are the results of those?

4-) Durant won 2 of those and Lebron won only 1.

5-) Durant has 2 FMVP in those finals, but Labron has only 1.

6-) 14 games were played, Durant won 9 of them and Lebron won only 5 of them.

7-) You think Lebron is GOAT, right? But, Durant walks over Lebron.

8-) So, with your logic Durant must be GOAT... :lol

9-) With your logic maybe MJ can't be GOAT, but Lebron also can't be too. :oldlol:

[sdot_thadon]

MJ never went back into games that were already won to get 8-10 more points - that's a troll and lie by you.. you're seeking attention or something with that lie

And don't post some one-off or some quote from dray n klay's book, I mean Sam smith

Show video footage of MJ going back into a decided game for an additional 8-10 points

Otherwise, stfu and ban yourself for lying
.
Book published in 1992 sure got you feeling some kind of way don't it? Smith was the beat writer there, behind the scenes. He knows more about Mj than you ever will. :oldlol:

I only remember Mj going back into game because I cared about how many points he scored as a kid. I wanted to see him go back in and sometimes he did if the game was out of hand and he only had....say 22 points. He'd go in, get a few quick buckets to get 30 or miss a few and come up just short and sit back down. If you are the true Mj fan you pose to be this is common knowledge. You really think there are going to be highlights readily available or that someone is going to spend the time to hunt an example for you? It wasn't a big deal then and it shouldn't be now either honestly.

[And1AllDay]

Ok dude let's look with your logic. I will prove it step by step.

1-) You think Lebron is GOAT and MJ is not with that "against who" logic. Let's accept that logic is true.

2-) Lebron played against Durant in playoffs 3 rounds and they were all finals.

3-) What are the results of those?

4-) Durant won 2 of those and Lebron won only 1.

5-) Durant has 2 FMVP in those finals, but Labron has only 1.

6-) 14 games were played, Durant won 9 of them and Lebron won only 5 of them.

7-) You think Lebron is GOAT, right? But, Durant walks over Lebron.

8-) So, with your logic Durant must be GOAT... :lol

9-) With your logic maybe MJ can't be GOAT, but Lebron also can't be too. :oldlol:


Mike never even won a single game vs Bird

0-6
Winless
Zero victories

Bron was 17-4 vs OKC KD so please make sense.

[3ball]

Book published in 1992 sure got you feeling some kind of way don't it? Smith was the beat writer there, behind the scenes. He knows more about Mj than you ever will. :oldlol:

I only remember Mj going back into game because I cared about how many points he scored as a kid. I wanted to see him go back in and sometimes he did if the game was out of hand and he only had....say 22 points. He'd go in, get a few quick buckets to get 30 or miss a few and come up just short and sit back down. If you are the true Mj fan you pose to be this is common knowledge. You really think there are going to be highlights readily available or that someone is going to spend the time to hunt an example for you? It wasn't a big deal then and it shouldn't be now either honestly.
Yeah pure lies

Proves MJ is goat that you have to make stuff up

you guys are still like:

"hmmmmm... MJ is the only perimeter player to win the scoring title and championship in the same year, and he did it 6 times.... Hmmmm.... Well, anyone could've done it... Yup, that's it.... MJ was the only one that WANTED to, so that's why he did it"... :yaohappy:... Most 4 year olds are smarter than this..

[sdot_thadon]

Yeah pure lies

Proves MJ is goat that you have to make stuff up

you guys are still like:

"hmmmmm... MJ is the only perimeter player to win the scoring title and championship in the same year, and he did it 6 times.... Hmmmm.... Well, anyone could've done it... Yup, that's it.... MJ was the only one that WANTED to, so that's why he did it"... :yaohappy:... Most 4 year olds are smarter than this..
Who's making anything up? Prove it wrong bro. You got the time.

[TheCorporation]

Who's making anything up? Prove it wrong bro. You got the time.

He'll duck it like most.things

[LeCola]

Mike never even won a single game vs Bird

0-6
Winless
Zero victories

Bron was 17-4 vs OKC KD so please make sense.

Lebron vs Duncan 5-11
Lebron vs Curry 7-15
Lebron vs Durant 5-9
Lebron vs Dirk 2-4

Why do you use a logic to compare only two players but not comparing all players in history?

With "against who" logic Jordan could not be GOAT, ok I accept that. But, with that there is no way that Lebron could be GOAT.

[Vino24]

When Zion gets drafted by the Bulls he will be well on his way to surpassing Jordan. So far Zion is already a better dunker, better vert, and better 3pt shooter than Jordan. :eek:

[3ball]

Who's making anything up? Prove it wrong bro. You got the time.
How can I prove it wrong? It doesn't exist.. it's your job to prove it DOES exist

Ur just salty lebron is demoted and people are now debating him and kobe again

lebron looks like an idiot... you're well aware that i've been calling this exposure for quite some time now.. and it's finally here - even a monkey could bash lebron now and have all the facts on their side.. This season made it easy and proved everything..

he basically ruined his career this season.. and you can bet all your money against lebron rebounding next year... I know exactly why he isn't capable of winning as he gets older

Ultimately, the eye test is always backed up by stats:

- lebron's ball-dominance is proven by his time of possession

- his low ball movement is shown by low team assists

- his lowering of team assist capacity is shown by his low assisted rate for a forward

- his turning teammates into spot-up shooters/play-finishers is shown by teammates having lower assists alongside him (less playmaking) and higher assisted rate (more play-finishing)
.

[TheCorporation]

Lebron vs Duncan 5-11
Lebron vs Curry 7-15
Lebron vs Durant 5-9
Lebron vs Dirk 2-4

Why do you use a logic to compare only two players but not comparing all players in history?

With "against who" logic Jordan could not be GOAT, ok I accept that. But, with that there is no way that Lebron could be GOAT.

Regular season too? Thanks

[TheCorporation]

How can I prove it wrong? It doesn't exist.. it's your job to prove it DOES exist

Ur just salty lebron is demoted and people are now debating him and kobe again
.

Umm...

I would definitely debate Jordan and Kobe over LeBron and Kobe.

[LeCola]

Regular season too? Thanks

Do you also want me to add summer league, ncaa, matches in parks and 2k mygm games?