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3ball
03-21-2019, 09:34 PM
because he lacks sufficient spurtability and isn't capable of getting hot often enough to have the high number of big games needed... due to a weaker jumper

Whereas harden/mj had pure, knockdown jumpshots, as needed to have 37-point spurtability as an average/spray from everywhere

This is a reason Kobe is superior to Lebron, since he averaged 35 in a tougher era (translates to 38+ in this era), and has the requisite ring count (better winner/fearless fighter in the clutch)

TheCorporation
03-21-2019, 09:37 PM
LBJ did 36-13-9 on 39% vs Klay, Dray, Iggy

MJ did 27 on 41% vs 6'2.5 Payton

Next

2ez

You really didn't think I was going to check you on this BS? :lol

Be better

SouBeachTalents
03-21-2019, 09:39 PM
Except LeBron's averaged 30+ in the playoffs 5 times, all of them on runs through at least the conference Finals, with 4 of those being on extremely high efficiency. Meanwhile, Harden hasn't averaged 30 in the playoffs ONCE :oldlol:

3ball
03-21-2019, 09:41 PM
LBJ did 36-13-9 on 39% vs Klay, Dray, Iggy

MJ did 27 on 41.7 vs 6'2.5 Payton

Next


Lebron won with 25 on 44.9% in the 2013 Finals, while being a net negative (https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/advanced/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4) and needing Ray Allen to make a game 7 after his 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 (MJ's worst of 27 on 42 would've been sufficient)

Manny98
03-21-2019, 09:42 PM
"spurtability" 3ball out here inventing new words :lol

TheCorporation
03-21-2019, 09:43 PM
Lebron won with 25 on 44.9% in the 2013 Finals, while being a net negative and needing Ray Allen to make a game 7 after his 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 (MJ's worst of 27 on 42 would've been sufficient)

Dear 3ball,

Focus up.

LBJ did 36-13-9 on 39% vs Klay, Dray, Iggy
MJ did 27 on 41% vs 6'2.5 Payton

You really didn't think I was going to check you on this BS?*

2ez

3ball
03-21-2019, 09:48 PM
Except LeBron's averaged 30+ in the playoffs 5 times, all of them on runs through at least the conference Finals, with 4 of those being on extremely high efficiency. Meanwhile, Harden hasn't averaged 30 in the playoffs ONCE :oldlol:
Averaging almost 40 in the regular season requires a much higher number of big games and stamina than 15-20 games averaging 30 (7 less than the 37, and 60 games less)

Again, lebron can't produce the high number of big games required because he lacks sufficient spurtability and isn't capable of getting hot often enough (all the time)... due to a weaker jumper

Whereas harden/mj had pure, knockdown jumpshots, as needed to have 37-point spurtability as an average/spray from everywhere

This is a reason Kobe is superior to Lebron, since he averaged 35 in a tougher era (translates to 38+ in this era), and has the requisite ring count (better winner/fearless fighter in the clutch)

SouBeachTalents
03-21-2019, 09:50 PM
Averaging almost 40 in the regular season requires a much higher number of big games and stamina than 15-20 games averaging 30-34 (3-7 less than the 37, and 60 games less)

Again, lebron can't produce the high number of big games required because he lacks sufficient spurtability and isn't capable of getting hot often... due to a weaker jumper

Whereas harden/mj had pure, knockdown jumpshots, as needed to have 37-point spurtability as an average/spray from everywhere

This is a reason Kobe is superior to Lebron, since he averaged 35 in a tougher era (translates to 38+ in this era), and has the requisite ring count (better winner/fearless fighter in the clutch)
Playoff scoring >>>>> regular season scoring. The fact you're trying to spin someone failing to crack 30 in the playoffs as a better scorer than someone who's done it multiple times is where you look ridiculous

You can admire the stamina it takes to drop 37 a night for an entire season, I'm not trying to knock it, but it won't mean shit if Harden can't duplicate it in the playoffs

sdot_thadon
03-21-2019, 09:56 PM
Op must have missed the time Lebron avg. 35 for a deep playoff run on only 22 attempts a game. Or even last year in his 15th season where he put up 34 on 23 attempts. Mj only has one run of at least 34 with so few fga per game. He usually requires between 4 to 6 more shots a game to reach those plateaus.....

My boy the beard hasn't had a run over 30 ppg yet but i got a feeling this is the year.

ballinhun8
03-21-2019, 09:58 PM
And???



He facilitates. He rebounds. Played great help defense. He didn't need to drop 37.




The way Harden gets his is just........unappealing

And1AllDay
03-21-2019, 10:07 PM
Dear 3ball,

Focus up.

LBJ did 36-13-9 on 39% vs Klay, Dray, Iggy

MJ did 27 on 41% vs 6'2.5 Payton

You really didn't think I was going to check you on this BS?*

2ez

2baLLLLL is slippin

G0ATbe
03-21-2019, 10:14 PM
This is a reason Kobe is superior to Lebron, since he averaged 35 in a tougher era (translates to 38+ in this era), and has the requisite ring count (better winner/fearless fighter in the clutch)



3ball's thoughts on Kobe 2 months ago:


now I gotta go in on the REAL kobe, a 6'6" iverson chucker, a carried knock-off.. maybe the most carried great player ever.) .

he's still probably top 20 after durant 3-peats this year and has 1 more fmvp than kobe.. .. but you shouldn't be so proud of an iverson chucker like kobe anyway..

3ball
03-21-2019, 10:26 PM
Dear 3ball,

Focus up.

LBJ did 36-13-9 on 39% vs Klay, Dray, Iggy
MJ did 27 on 41% vs 6'2.5 Payton

You really didn't think I was going to check you on this BS?*

2ez

Time of Possession per game:

Lebron 2015 Finals:. 12.2 (https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1&Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4) minutes (50% higher than RS leader Wall's 8.3 min)
J Harden. 2019. RS:....9.5 (https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1) minutes


lebron held the ball longer than anyone in recorded history (shown above) and couldn't attract a double-team (http://i66.tinypic.com/2z5vql0.jpg[/IMG), yet still shot horrifically with one of the brokest jumpers ever in the Finals (28.7% (https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)), his 07' brickfest notwithstanding (17% (https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)); he simply took more shots in 15' vs 07' (23 vs 34)

Otoh, MJ averaged 36 against 6'7" dunk participants Drexler/Kersey and also 6-time all-defense Buck Williams.. that's better athletes than Klight-skinned, stiff-iggy and fat-dray.. :rolleyes:

And he dominated those guys and with crazy (https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-24-2015/QvXF8J.gif) highlights and great efficiency, despite constant double teams, paint traffic and low hold-time.... his low hold time allowed high team assists and ball movement, while lebron's record ball-domination results in massive team assist deficits and record losses... No comparison
.

TheCorporation
03-21-2019, 11:08 PM
3ball's thoughts on Kobe 2 months ago:
He's delusional, at one point about 2 weeks ago he said he might have even ranked Kobe number 2 :lol

I just can't take the guy seriously anymore. He ignore stats, makes up stats, and he's all over the place 24/7 whereas my list doesn't change

1. LBJ
2-5 who cares ��✌��

3ball
03-21-2019, 11:30 PM
He's delusional, at one point about 2 weeks ago he said he might have even ranked Kobe number 2 :lol

I just can't take the guy seriously anymore. He ignore stats, makes up stats, and he's all over the place 24/7 whereas my list doesn't change

1. LBJ
2-5 who cares ��✌��
Lebron isn't capable of averaging 37.. :confusedshrug:

It's just an observation

And an indicator of a skill deficit to others that have the repertiore and jumpshot to get 37

Dray n Klay
03-21-2019, 11:33 PM
Lebron isn't capable of averaging 37.. :confusedshrug:

It's just an observation

And an indicator of a skill deficit to others that have the repertiore and jumpshot to get 37


Why was 4 rebounds and 2 assists enough for Jordan in 1998?

sdot_thadon
03-21-2019, 11:34 PM
Lebron isn't capable of averaging 37.. :confusedshrug:

It's just an observation

And an indicator of a skill deficit to others that have the repertiore and jumpshot to get 37
Seems like he just saves them for the games that really count to be honest. Hence the playoff runs of similar ppg and way less volume shooting than Mj. Different approaches to the game sir.

3ball
03-21-2019, 11:44 PM
Seems like he just saves them for the games that really count to be honest. Hence the playoff runs of similar ppg and way less volume shooting than Mj. Different approaches to the game sir.
MJ scores 5 more ppg than lebron

That's not a "similar" amount; That a lot more

And he shot more because he made more, due to shooting more 2-pointers and less FT's (aka skill, not freebie points from 3's and FT's like lebron).

So the shot allocation accounts for the shot attempts, as MJ's shooting efficiency was near equal and overall offensive efficiency superior

Dray n Klay
03-21-2019, 11:49 PM
MJ scores 5 more ppg than lebron

That's not a "similar" amount; That a lot more

And he shot more because he made more, due to shooting more 2-pointers and less FT's (aka skill, not freebie points from 3's and FT's like lebron).

So the shot allocation accounts for the shot attempts, as MJ's shooting efficiency was near equal and overall offensive efficiency superior


LeBron got double the rebounds and assists

sdot_thadon
03-21-2019, 11:51 PM
MJ scores 5 more ppg than lebron

That's not a "similar" amount; That a lot more

And he shot more because he made more, due to shooting more 2-pointers and less FT's (aka skill, not freebie points from 3's and FT's like lebron).

So the shot allocation accounts for the shot attempts, as MJ's shooting efficiency was near equal and overall offensive efficiency superior
Op must have missed the time Lebron avg. 35 for a deep playoff run on only 22 attempts a game. Or even last year in his 15th season where he put up 34 on 23 attempts. Mj only has one run of at least 34 with so few fga per game. He usually requires between 4 to 6 more shots a game to reach those plateaus....

TheCorporation
03-21-2019, 11:52 PM
Lebron isn't capable of averaging 37.. :confusedshrug:

It's just an observation

And an indicator of a skill deficit to others that have the repertiore and jumpshot to get 37

• LBJ did 36-13-9 on 39% vs Klay, Dray, Iggy
• MJ did 27 on 41% vs 6'2.5 Payton

You really didn't think I was going to check you on this BS?

Comments?

3ball
03-22-2019, 12:21 AM
LBJ did 36-13-9 on 39% vs Klay, Dray, Iggy

Comments?


Anyone can average 37 for 6 games

But again, Lebron isn't capable of averaging 37 for a season

It's just an observation

And an indicator of a skill deficit to others that have the repertiore and jumpshot to get 37.. :confusedshrug:

TheCorporation
03-22-2019, 12:39 AM
Anyone can average 37 for 6 games

But again, Lebron isn't capable of averaging 37 for a season

It's just an observation

And an indicator of a skill deficit to others that have the repertiore and jumpshot to get 37.. :confusedshrug:

Finals baby boy.

Keep up

You're fading fast

3ball
03-22-2019, 12:39 AM
And???



He facilitates. He rebounds. Played great help defense. He didn't need to drop 37.




The way Harden gets his is just........unappealing
Everyone knows that ball-movement gets shots for role players better than 1 guy dominating the ball in the halfcourt.. people have simply accepted lebron's ball-dominance in place of ball movement even though lebron's style results in low-assist teams that get massively out-assisted and trounced in the Finals

So don't whine about how lebron must do this and that... his personal assist totals mean nothing if they're coming at the expense of team assists and a brand that can compete well in the championship.. Lebron should be knocked for never developing the skill and fundamentals needed to play a better brand of team basketball (ball movement) that fares better on the championship level..

Ultimately, personal apg or rpg mean little... the important stats are whether the team won (winning basketball), and how much the player carried that winning (ppg and/or percentage of team pts).. also defense and clutch... That's what wins and constitutes great basketball.. not apg or rpg

Soundwave
03-22-2019, 12:45 AM
Over a full season, no LeBron could not pull that off. It's too exhausting, people don't realize it's not easy every PPG after 30 ppg gets progressively tougher to go from 33 ppg for 36/37 ppg is not easy.

The amount of energy you have to exert over a 82 game season to get in that range takes a toll.

3ball
03-22-2019, 12:50 AM
Over a full season, no LeBron could not pull that off. It's too exhausting, people don't realize it's not easy every PPG after 30 ppg gets progressively tougher to go from 33 ppg for 36/37 ppg is not easy.

The amount of energy you have to exert over a 82 game season to get in that range takes a toll.
People don't realize how many big games are needed.... The runs that Harden and MJ had were historic

And having that many big games requires a wet jumper which lebron doesn't have.. you can't have a bunch of 40 and 50 point games via bruising drives all game.. you need a wet jumper

TheCorporation
03-22-2019, 12:53 AM
[QUOTE=TheCorporation]

3ball
03-22-2019, 01:05 AM
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Time of Possession per game:

Lebron 2015 Finals:. 12.2 (https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1&Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4) minutes (50% higher than RS leader Wall's 8.3 min)
J Harden. 2019. RS:....9.5 (https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1) minutes
.

3ball
03-22-2019, 01:06 AM
LBJ did 36-13-9 on 39%


The nba.com stats in the previous post show that lebron held the ball longer than anyone in recorded history (25% more than harden is this year) and couldn't attract a double-team (https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-22-2019/6e5aBZ.gif), yet still shot horrifically (39%)

So don't compare his 36 to mj's 36

MJ averaged 36 in the 92 Finals with great efficiency, despite constant double teams, paint traffic and low hold-time.... his low hold time allowed high team assists and ball movement, while lebron's record ball-domination results in massive team assist deficits and record losses... No comparison




Klay, Dray, Iggy


MJ averaged 36 against 6'7" dunk participants Drexler/Kersey and also 6-time all-defense Buck Williams.. that's better athletes than klay/Iggy/dray..





MJ did 27 on 41% vs 6'2.5 Payton


Lebron won with 25 on 44.9% in the 2013 Finals, while being a net negative (https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/advanced/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4) and needing Ray Allen to make game 7 after his 23 on 43% thru 6 games was insufficient (MJ's 27 on 42 would've been sufficient)
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And1AllDay
03-22-2019, 01:47 AM
[QUOTE=TheCorporation]

SpaceJam
03-22-2019, 02:45 AM
Playoff scoring >>>>> regular season scoring. The fact you're trying to spin someone failing to crack 30 in the playoffs as a better scorer than someone who's done it multiple times is where you look ridiculous

You can admire the stamina it takes to drop 37 a night for an entire season, I'm not trying to knock it, but it won't mean shit if Harden can't duplicate it in the playoffs

3ball is so silly :roll:

SpaceJam
03-22-2019, 02:51 AM
The nba.com stats in the previous post show that lebron held the ball longer than anyone in recorded history (25% more than harden is this year) and couldn't attract a double-team (https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-22-2019/6e5aBZ.gif), yet still shot horrifically (39%)


Just curious, trolling aside. In regards to LeBron holding the ball for that long, who did you want him to give it up to? Delly? JR Smith?

TheCorporation
03-22-2019, 02:54 AM
Just curious, trolling aside. In regards to LeBron holding the ball for that long, who did you want him to give it up to? Delly? JR Smith?

Definitely should have been giving the rock to Dellavedova and JR Smith more, no doubt :lol :lol :lol

I'm convinced that 3ball has to be a troll at this point

bizil
03-22-2019, 11:12 AM
The bottom line in terms of scoring is HAVING alpha dog level credibility. That means u can be a dominant scorer, score on anybody, and carry a team. Bron has already proved this obviously. But HIS APPROACH among the top 10 scorers of all time is different. Because he's a pass first point forward type guy. He and Big O are a rare breed because they average 30 PPG while being pass first guys. So it's NOT ABOUT Bron's capability to score 37 PPG. It's about his approach.

PG's like a Magic and Zeke were alpha dog level scorers as well. But since they were the ultimate floor generals, they weren't gonna score 25 PPG. BUT when the game was on the line, they could go toe to toe with the dominant scorers. And of course score easy in the flow of the game on anybody. When u think pass first on various levels, u simply see the game DIFFERENT than guys who look to score first. BUT both mindsets have alpha dog caliber scorers!

sd3035
03-22-2019, 11:18 AM
LBJ did 36-13-9 on 39% vs Klay, Dray, Iggy

MJ did 27 on 41% vs 6'2.5 Payton

Next

2ez

You really didn't think I was going to check you on this BS? :lol

Be better


The defensive strategy was to let Lebald chuck them out of the series and guard everyone else

Ledummy took the bait

TheCorporation
03-22-2019, 12:35 PM
Is Jordan better than anything than LeBron?

Scoring? No
Rebounding? No
Playmaking? No
Clutch? No
Passing? No
Defense? No
Gambling? Yes
Building prisons? Yes
Punching teammates? Yes
Beating super teams? No
Beating dynasties? No

superduper
03-22-2019, 01:04 PM
Just curious, trolling aside. In regards to LeBron holding the ball for that long, who did you want him to give it up to? Delly? JR Smith?

Have you heard of player movement and ball movement in order to maximize team impact?

And1AllDay
03-22-2019, 03:18 PM
Have you heard of player movement and ball movement in order to maximize team impact?

Yeah there was a stat that showed when LeBron was off Court in 2015 Finals the Cavaliers were like 2/30 :oldlol:

So those were the guys he was supposed to give the ball to right?

And1AllDay
03-22-2019, 03:20 PM
Have you heard of player movement and ball movement in order to maximize team impact?

Ahh Found it retard there you go

https://i.postimg.cc/0Q8sHD0t/Screen-Shot-2015-06-17-at-9-32-58-AM.png

3ball
03-22-2019, 04:47 PM
Yeah there was a stat that showed when LeBron was off Court in 2015 Finals the Cavaliers were like 2/30 :oldlol:


Efficiency WITH Lebron James on the floor in 2015 Finals:

JR Smith
Delly
J. Jones
Shumpert

Total 56/171 (32.7%)


As you can see, those guys shot horribly WITH Lebron on the floor, which is pretty standard in lebron-ball - their reduced and predictable play-finishing roles don't find success against the best playoff teams.. :confusedshrug:

With teammates playing under capacity, the TEAM plays under capacity and eventually loses to an opponent they had the capacity to beat (i.e. losing as the favorite in 2009 ECF, 2010 ECSF, and 2011 Finals, or losing when it was 50/50 - 2014 Finals) (http://www.nj.com/knicks/index.ssf/2014/06/nba_finals_2014_experts_predict_whether_the_heat_o r_spurs_will_come_out_on_top_in_the_finals_rematch .html).

That's the difference between 3/9 underachievement and 6/6 perfection.. MJ got the most out of his teammates (elevates teammates), while Lebron's ball-dominance turns them into play-finishers, leading to weaker brand of ball and team underperformance.





So those were the guys he was supposed to give the ball to right?


Everyone knows that ball-movement gets shots for role players better than 1 guy dominating the ball in the halfcourt.. people have simply accepted lebron's ball-dominance in place of ball movement even though lebron's style results in low-assist teams that get massively out-assisted and trounced in the Finals

So don't whine about how lebron must do this and that... his personal assist totals mean nothing if they're coming at the expense of team assists and a brand that can compete well in the championship.. Lebron should be knocked for never developing the skill and fundamentals needed to play a better brand of team basketball (ball movement) that fares better on the championship level..

Ultimately, personal apg or rpg mean little... the important stats are whether the team won (winning basketball), and how much the player carried that winning (ppg and/or percentage of team pts).. also defense and clutch... That's what wins and constitutes great basketball.. not apg or rpg
.

FKAri
03-22-2019, 04:54 PM
Efficiency WITH Lebron James on the floor in 2015 Finals:

JR Smith
Delly
J. Jones
Shumpert

Total 56/171 (32.7%)


As you can see, those guys shot horribly WITH Lebron on the floor, which is pretty standard in lebron-ball - their reduced and predictable play-finishing roles don't find success against the best playoff teams.. :confusedshrug:

With teammates playing under capacity, the TEAM plays under capacity and eventually loses to an opponent they had the capacity to beat (i.e. losing as the favorite in 2009 ECF, 2010 ECSF, and 2011 Finals, or losing when it was 50/50 - 2014 Finals) (http://www.nj.com/knicks/index.ssf/2014/06/nba_finals_2014_experts_predict_whether_the_heat_o r_spurs_will_come_out_on_top_in_the_finals_rematch .html).

That's the difference between 3/9 underachievement and 6/6 perfection.. MJ got the most out of his teammates (elevates teammates), while Lebron's ball-dominance turns them into play-finishers, leading to weaker brand of ball and team underperformance.



Everyone knows that ball-movement gets shots for role players better than 1 guy dominating the ball in the halfcourt.. people have simply accepted lebron's ball-dominance in place of ball movement even though lebron's style results in low-assist teams that get massively out-assisted and trounced in the Finals

So don't whine about how lebron must do this and that... his personal assist totals mean nothing if they're coming at the expense of team assists and a brand that can compete well in the championship.. Lebron should be knocked for never developing the skill and fundamentals needed to play a better brand of team basketball (ball movement) that fares better on the championship level..

Ultimately, personal apg or rpg mean little... the important stats are whether the team won (winning basketball), and how much the player carried that winning (ppg and/or percentage of team pts).. also defense and clutch... That's what wins and constitutes great basketball.. not apg or rpg
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The whole point of on/off stats is to post BOTH the on AND off stats you phucking phaggit.

And1AllDay
03-22-2019, 04:59 PM
The whole point of on/off stats is to post BOTH the on AND off stats you phucking phaggit.
He seriously has to be the dumbest poster on this board that thinks he is smart. Some posters are dumb but at least they know they are dumb (Ego, AirTupac, Kawhi m8) but SuperDuper is dumb but doesn't even know it LOL

And1AllDay
03-22-2019, 04:59 PM
Ahh Found it retard there you go

https://i.postimg.cc/0Q8sHD0t/Screen-Shot-2015-06-17-at-9-32-58-AM.png

Discuss?

3ball
03-22-2019, 05:17 PM
The whole point of on/off stats is to post BOTH the on AND off stats you phucking phaggit.
You guys have no response to the fact that teammates have underperformed next to lebron HIS ENTIRE CAREER

It turns out that predictable play-finishing roles don't fare that well against the best teams

And ball movement beats ball-dominance, yet ur making excuses for this bum's Finals record?.. :facepalm :facepalm ..

you should be embarrassed for getting it so wrong.. maybe impose a self-punishment on yourself.. No nba for a month??. Sounds fair.. enjoy your haitus.. :cheers: .. :lol

And1AllDay
03-22-2019, 05:21 PM
You guys have no response to the fact that teammates have underperformed next to lebron HIS ENTIRE CAREER

It turns out that predictable play-finishing roles don't fare that well against the best teams

And ball movement beats ball-dominance, yet ur making excuses for this bum's Finals record?.. :facepalm :facepalm ..

you should be embarrassed for getting it so wrong.. maybe impose a self-punishment on yourself.. No nba for a month??. Sounds fair.. enjoy your haitus.. :cheers: .. :lol

Okay Mr. Coach so you want us to give the ball to the guys that are shooting 0/22 :oldlol:


What are you David Blatt Jr :oldlol:

3ball
03-22-2019, 05:48 PM
Okay Mr. Coach so you want us to give the ball to the guys that are shooting 0/22 :oldlol:


Everyone knows that ball-movement gets shots for role players better than 1 guy dominating the ball in the halfcourt.. people have simply accepted lebron's ball-dominance in place of ball movement even though lebron's style results in low-assist teams that get massively out-assisted and trounced in the Finals

Lebron should be knocked for never developing the skill and fundamentals needed to play a better brand of team basketball (ball movement) that fares better on the championship level..

Ultimately, personal apg or rpg mean little... the important stats are whether the team won (winning basketball), and how much the player carried that winning (ppg and/or percentage of team pts).. also defense and clutch... That's what wins and constitutes great basketball.. not apg or rpg





What are you David Blatt Jr :oldlol:


It's been documented that Lebron rejected coaching from every coach he ever had, including Walton (https://sports.yahoo.com/lebron-james-reportedly-ignoring-luke-waltons-play-calls-nobodys-surprise-210514450.html), Lue (http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/lebron-james-attitude-listen-to-tyronne-lue-cavs-heat-david-blatt/hjmyp8w984gi1xkzex534zc19), Blatt (https://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/12/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-david-blatt-rift), and Spolestra (https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/fl-miami-heat-news-0402-20150401-story.html)

He's never accepted coaching and always ran lebron-ball instead - so the next Phil Jackson wasn't allowed

The problem is that lebron starts at forward but then becomes a 2nd point guard on the floor (player with PG hold-time), which reduces hold-time and assists for the other 3 teammates compared to their play in 1-point guard lineups.. lower teammate assists results in low TEAM assist rankings.

Contrastingly, magic and ben simmons started at PG, and their 1-pg lineup allowed high team assist rankings.. but 2-pg lineups (lebron/harden-ball) give the remaining 3 teammates less time and assists compared to their play in 1-point guard lineups, which results in low TEAM assist rankings.. it's harder to win with low ball movement and low assist teams, so 3/9 happens (1/9 without ray and kyrie shots)

TheCorporation
03-22-2019, 06:46 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/YCRfWmC6/FB-IMG-1525375107033.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/XvTZGVdK/FB-IMG-1538798854277.jpg

MJ = 1/4 (Points)
Pip = 4/5 (Reb, Assists, Steals, Blocks)

How many other stars have been carried in 4 of 5 statistical categories?

3ball
03-22-2019, 07:17 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/YCRfWmC6/FB-IMG-1525375107033.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/XvTZGVdK/FB-IMG-1538798854277.jpg

MJ = 1/4 (Points)
Pip = 4/5 (Reb, Assists, Steals, Blocks)

How many other stars have been carried in 4 of 5 statistical categories?

Jordan carried Pippen:


91-93' Playoffs (1st three-peat)


Jordan (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 33.7 on 51.7%.. 6.6 apg.. 31.1 ast %.. 2.1 spg.. 2.9 tov.. 29.5 PER
Pippen (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 20.1 on 47.3%.. 6.1 apg.. 23.3 ast %.. 2.1 spg.. 3.4 tov...19.6 PER


96-98' Playoffs (2nd three-peat)


Jordan (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 31.4 on 45.9%.. 4.1 apg.. 22.3 ast %.. 1.6 spg.. 2.3 tov.. 27.3 PER
Pippen (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 17.6 on 40.8%.. 5.0 apg.. 22.0 ast %.. 2.1 spg.. 2.5 tov.. 19.0 PER


Goat scoring load, team-leading passer, goat defender at position, goat clutch = GOAT (easily)
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