Tua Tagovailo vs Trevor Lawrence

[Carbine]

I love Tua. He looks like Steve Young to me with Brees footwork in the pocket.

Trevor is the most hyped high school prospect ever and just had a freshman season where his team won a title and has guys like Gil Bradt saying he's the best freshman QB they've ever seen.

These are the next two great QBs it seems.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w7s4vve6_m8

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XfyggK6rfYc

[1987_Lakers]

If I had to bet I would say Lawrence will be the better pro.

[ballinhun8]

I don't see what people see in Tua.


When I watched him play I never got the IT factor or anything. He's athletic sure but it seems I can't see any other attribute that fascinates me but watching Lawrence I definitely saw what the pundits saw.

[Carbine]

Every Tua dropback.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jKR3FtrAAjA

[ROCSteady]

lawrence is looking like a stronger Peyton Manning

[imdaman99]

An interesting theory I heard today. Giants drafted DUKE QB to shut all the people up about Giants moving on from Eli. Giants suck for the next 2 seasons and draft Lawrence :pimp:

I guess that means poor Saquon will be on tanking teams.

[imdaman99]

An interesting theory I heard today. Giants drafted DUKE QB to shut all the people up about Giants moving on from Eli. Giants suck for the next 2 seasons and draft Lawrence :pimp:

I guess that means poor Saquon will be on tanking teams.
Hope I eat my words and DJ is the real deal :lol

But Lawrence is gonna be a stud himself.

[ShawkFactory]

Lawrence is literally the product you would get if you built the perfect quarterback in a lab.

Huge, crazy arm, accuracy, mobility. Then you have his poise and footwork, both of which you never see to these levels in a freshman QB.

He’s the best prospect I’ve ever seen already.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Tua once again shitting the bed against a good defense.

Man hes overrated.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Wow, Burrow is so much better than Tua.

Once guy can improvise and the other can't.

No question Burrow will be a better NFL QB.

[imdaman99]

This game ain't done, even though I'm rooting for LSU. So tired of Alabama.

PS Why isn't there a college football thread? I guess there are minimal amount of college football fans, and I'm not gonna pretend I sit down every Saturday watching games all day... but this LSU Bama game is turning into a great one.

[Carbine]

Wow, Burrow is so much better than Tua.

Once guy can improvise and the other can't.

No question Burrow will be a better NFL QB.

Tua is basically playing on one leg. He just had ankle surgery less than a month ago right?

Tua can evade pressure and "improvise" just fine. It's one of his strengths.

[LoneyROY7]

Wow, Burrow is so much better than Tua.

Once guy can improvise and the other can't.

No question Burrow will be a better NFL QB.

Tua destroyed this man's take. :oldlol: :oldlol:

Finishes with 418 and 4 TDs dropping dimes all over the place.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Tua destroyed this man's take. :oldlol: :oldlol:

Finishes with 418 and 4 TDs dropping dimes all over the place.
They lost because of his poor 1st half performance.

He plays with the most talented receiving corps in college football history and a stud NFL RB.

Tua is literally the weak link of their offense. Hes the beneficiary of all time great supporting cast and still lost them the game at home.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Tua is basically playing on one leg. He just had ankle surgery less than a month ago right?

Tua can evade pressure and "improvise" just fine. It's one of his strengths.
It's not a strength. Hes wildly inaccurate and ineffective when faced with pressure.

Luckily he plays with 3 NFL receivers and rarely faces any pressure so the numbers look great. Eye test says hes a backup in the NFL.

[LoneyROY7]

They lost because of his poor 1st half performance.

He plays with the most talented receiving corps in college football history and a stud NFL RB.

Tua is literally the weak link of their offense. Hes the beneficiary of all time great supporting cast and still lost them the game at home.

Literally one of the dumbest takes I've ever seen. :oldlol: :oldlol:

[AlternativeAcc.]

Literally one of the dumbest takes I've ever seen. :oldlol: :oldlol:
He won't even be the 4th best NFL player from this Alabama offense.


Boooooooooooookit.

and aren't you the guy that thinks the Rockets are gonna win it all?

Don't talk to me about bad takes.

[Carbine]

Rarely faces pressure? He was getting insta-pressured on multiple occasions today. No QB is going to perform well consistently in those plays.

He has great weapons but not a great supporting cast. Defense is part of the cast and they gave up 46 points at home.

Saying Tua lost them the game makes you seem like a biased hater. If you want to point fingers it has to be at the defense as a unit.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Rarely faces pressure? He was getting insta-pressured on multiple occasions today. No QB is going to perform well consistently in those plays.

He has great weapons but not a great supporting cast. Defense is part of the cast and they gave up 46 points at home.

Saying Tua lost them the game makes you seem like a biased hater. If you want to point fingers it has to be at the defense as a unit.
I'll admit to this :confusedshrug:


But lol @ not a great supporting cast. If Tua doesn't have a great supporting cast, then nobody has a great supporting cast. Relative to the competition Tua has one of the best casts ever. And the best coach ever. Stop it.

[Carbine]

His Defense Gave Up 46 Points In A Must Win Game

[stalkerforlife]

Tua certainly did not have a great game.

Burrow showed who the best QB in the nation is.

[stalkerforlife]

This game ain't done, even though I'm rooting for LSU. So tired of Alabama.

PS Why isn't there a college football thread? I guess there are minimal amount of college football fans, and I'm not gonna pretend I sit down every Saturday watching games all day... but this LSU Bama game is turning into a great one.

College football is amazing.

There's just not a lot of college fans here.

[bigkingsfan]

His Defense Gave Up 46 Points In A Must Win Game
Must win? Nah, especially after Penn State lost.

[~primetime~]

Tua season ending hip fracture

Probably ruined his NFL draft

Hope he had insurance

[Carbine]

Patriots will get him at a discount.

[ShawkFactory]

Must win? Nah, especially after Penn State lost.
I mean..it was a must win. LSU came to Tuscaloosa and beat that ass.

And Georgia having that slip up is starting to mean less. They have the best defense in the country.

If Georgia beats LSU there’s no justification for bama to be up there. If LSU wins? Idk if you can put bama there instead of Oregon if they win out.

This is assuming Ohio state and Clemson take care of business. Which they will.

People have forgotten but Clemson is going to be a problem

[dude77]

I'm hearing that's a similar injury to bo jackson's ? he's not a running back but your hip is still pretty damn important regardless and he will be taking hits there as a qb .. might be it for him .. probably will 'make it' on some team but he won't be there long

[CelticBaller]

I'm hearing that's a similar injury to bo jackson's ? he's not a running back but your hip is still pretty damn important regardless and he will be taking hits there as a qb .. might be it for him .. probably will 'make it' on some team but he won't be there long
Bo Jackson had like an infection though. So far I haven’t heard anything like that on Tua

[dude77]

[QUOTE=CelticBaller]Bo Jackson had like an infection though. So far I haven

[ShawkFactory]

I'm hearing that's a similar injury to bo jackson's ? he's not a running back but your hip is still pretty damn important regardless and he will be taking hits there as a qb .. might be it for him .. probably will 'make it' on some team but he won't be there long
It's not the same.

Bo's livelihood was running very quickly and bowling over people. He didn't really have the shiftiness that a lot of great NFL backs have/had.

You take even 10% of that speed/power away and he's no longer all that effective against NFL defenses.

Obviously it's drastically different for a quarterback. Even one who uses his legs.

The more concerning thing about Tua is that he's always seemed to have some injury or another.

[stalkerforlife]

Damn shame.

At least the top players guaranteed to be drafted should get paid?

[bigkingsfan]

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory]I mean..it was a must win. LSU came to Tuscaloosa and beat that ass.

And Georgia having that slip up is starting to mean less. They have the best defense in the country.

If Georgia beats LSU there

[AlternativeAcc.]

Is Mac Jones the #1 pick next year?

10/12, 300 yards, 3TD's in his 1st start

Who knew Bama was so elite at QB! :eek:

[imdaman99]

Looks like Bama is done?? Yay for that, let someone else get their due.

When is Jim Harbaugh gonna beat Ohio State? Guy is raking in millions and he can never win the big games. I'm sorry but you keep getting blown out by your biggest rival every year, you shouldn't keep your job. Not saying he's a bad coach but he still can't get it done.

[imdaman99]

What a goat-level drive by Lawrence :applause:

[ShawkFactory]

What a goat-level drive by Lawrence :applause:
That was one of the easiest things I

[imdaman99]

That was one of the easiest things I’ve ever seen.

Just absolutely cold-blooded.

Hard to see LSU and Burrow losing. Hard to see clemson losing too.
Honestly, top 3 all are championship level teams. OSU might have got hosed on a couple of calls tonight :lol

Oklahoma just didn't belong, that defense is ... ugh.

[ShawkFactory]

Honestly, top 3 all are championship level teams. OSU might have got hosed on a couple of calls tonight :lol

Oklahoma just didn't belong, that defense is ... ugh.
Yea OSU is incredibly talented. Better defense than LSU without question.

I don’t know if they necessarily got “hosed”. Unlucky maybe but those WERE the correct calls, weak as they were.

[imdaman99]

Clemson and Lawrence gettin REKT by projected 2nd pick Fields and OSU.

Down 35-14 at halftime. Is their defense really that bad? Dudes are WIDE open every play, especially deep.

[GOBB]

Clemson and Lawrence gettin REKT by projected 2nd pick Fields and OSU.

Down 35-14 at halftime. Is their defense really that bad? Dudes are WIDE open every play, especially deep.

400 yds 2 td 1 int 68% completion.

Yuh he got Rekted!

[imdaman99]

400 yds 2 td 1 int 68% completion.

Yuh he got Rekted!

The game wasn't close. I'm a Lawrence fan so I'm not mocking him. He got outplayed by Fields, that's that. Ohio State defense is a lot better than Clemson's though.

[ShawkFactory]

The game wasn't close. I'm a Lawrence fan so I'm not mocking him. He got outplayed by Fields, that's that. Ohio State defense is a lot better than Clemson's though.

You kind of just said it. Fields outplayed but Trevor was good. The entire team just lacked fire.

100% on Dabo

[1987_Lakers]

Tua has been very disappointing as a pro so far.

[clipps]

Overrated Tua getting exposed for the idiot he is. The Chargers won the draft with Herbert who is now getting compared to Patrick Mahomes. Eat shit, Dolphins and Jaguars fans...

:kobe:

[1987_Lakers]

I wasn't a big fan of Herbert when he was in college, but holy shit this dude can ball. He has already shown to be 10x better than Tua. Burrow as well is a legit MVP candidate this year.

Tua seems limited, his ceiling seems to be an Alex Smith type QB. He's efficient, but he can't throw the ball downfield and usually relies on checkdowns, it seemed like he was playing alright when he came back from his injury, but he shit the bed in the last 4 games of the season. Not a good look when Herbert, Burrow, & even Mac Jones at the moment are looked at as better players, considering all the hype Tua got when he was in college.

Also looks like one of the reasons why Flores got fired is because he wasn't down with Tua, report came out that he wanted to draft Herbert, but the owner went Tua.

[1987_Lakers]

Also insane how amazing that 2019 LSU team was in retrospect. Just look what their QB & two WR's produced this season in the NFL.

Burrow - 4600 yds, 34 TDs, 14 INTs, 9 YPA, 108 QB rating
Chase - 81 catches, 1455 yds, 13 TDs
Jefferson - 108 catches, 1600 yds, 10 TDs

Like damn, that LSU team had the best QB and the two best WRs in the nation and it wasn't even close.

[ShawkFactory]

Also insane how amazing that 2019 LSU team was in retrospect. Just look what their QB & two WR's produced this season in the NFL.

Burrow - 4600 yds, 34 TDs, 14 INTs, 9 YPA, 108 QB rating
Chase - 81 catches, 1455 yds, 13 TDs
Jefferson - 108 catches, 1600 yds, 10 TDs

Like damn, that LSU team had the best QB and the two best WRs in the nation and it wasn't even close.

The QB was certainly close. Lawrence was really good.

You use your hindsight and see what Burrow is doing now but Trevor is good but he’s in an absolute shit situation.

But yea...LSU have Jefferson and Chase on the same team is stupid. It’d be close to a college team having Calvin Johnson and Julio Jones at the same time.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Tua has some great weapons now. Don't think it'll matter, he's garbage

[bladefd]

Tua has some great weapons now. Don't think it'll matter, he's garbage

I remember the whole "Tank for Tua" stuff when Tua was entering the draft. So much for that :lol

It's his last chance to prove himself - no excuses this season. If he can't do anything this season, he will get cut & his days of starting are finished.

[Carbine]

Hello

[Carbine]

It's not a strength. Hes wildly inaccurate and ineffective when faced with pressure.

Luckily he plays with 3 NFL receivers and rarely faces any pressure so the numbers look great. Eye test says hes a backup in the NFL.

Your eyes lied to you on this one.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Your eyes lied to you on this one.

He's garbage

[Nanners]

Hello

credit where its due :applause:

After last season its hard to see the case for Trevor over Tua.

The jags had one of the easiest schedules of any team in the NFL, their only really difficult games were @Eagles (3rd in DVOA) and @Chiefs (4th)... and their 6 division games were an absolute cakewalk considering IND, HOU, and TEN ranked 32nd, 31st and 23rd in DVOA respectively.

Meanwhile the Dolphins had to play @SF (2nd in DVOA), @CIN (5th), and @BAL (7th)... and thanks to their division they had 2 games vs Buffalo (1st in DVOA) and 2 games against a Patriot team that was MUCH better than any of Jacksonvilles division opponents.

Despite playing a much harder schedule and being banged up for most of the season, Tuas YPA was 2yards more than Trevors and his QB rating was 10 points higher.

[Carbine]

Tua is shutting up everyone. Good for him.

He's obviously surrounded by elite weapons. He looks like prime Drew Brees to me. That was what I thought of him in college too, just needed this situation (like Brees needed Saints) to showcase it.

[Nanners]

any tua vs trevor argument is looking pretty silly these days :oldlol:

[warriorfan]

Tua has been looking great but to be fair he’s had an extra year even though he’s had injuries and Tua wasn’t doing great until Mike McDaniel came aboard. Tua is in a great situation at the moment, and not to take away from what he’s been doing but if we gave Lawrence an extra year with a better coach/offensive coordinator and weapons like in Miami….this comparison becomes a whole lot closer. Even the best quarterbacks get handcuffed to a substantial degree when they don’t have a good offensive coordinator and a few good weapons. I don’t have any dog in this fight, just my two cents.

[Carbine]

I absolutely think it's close between them. Trevor is excellent, for sure a better "talent" but a lot of players were better talents than Brees too, but not better players.

Tua has great weapons for sure. It is helping him just like it helped Kurt Warner, like it helped Manning (two HOF type wideouts in Indy)

If they switched teams I think for sure Trevor would be doing better than he is now and Tua worse.

[Nanners]

Tua has been looking great but to be fair he’s had an extra year even though he’s had injuries and Tua wasn’t doing great until Mike McDaniel came aboard. Tua is in a great situation at the moment, and not to take away from what he’s been doing but if we gave Lawrence an extra year with a better coach/offensive coordinator and weapons like in Miami….this comparison becomes a whole lot closer. Even the best quarterbacks get handcuffed to a substantial degree when they don’t have a good offensive coordinator and a few good weapons. I don’t have any dog in this fight, just my two cents.

This is partially true, but capitalizing on your situation is part of what makes a good QB potentially great, and when a "meh" QB has a great season because of their situation its pretty obvious where credit is actually due (for example, Goff with McVeigh or Garappolo with Shanahan)... no doubt Tua benefits tremendously having McDaniel as coach and having the most stacked receiver group in the NFL, but when you watch the dolphins play its clear that they are (at least partially) succeeding because of Tua, not in spite of him.

Anyway, NFL players exist within their systems, and its hard to extract and compare them. Riddle me this - Russell Wilson is (somehow) currently ranked 7th in passer rating, but anybody who has had the misfortune of watching any broncos games knows that he has played like absolute trash for at least ~80% of his minutes this season (and his team is 1-5 with the 4th worst point differential in the entire league). Meanwhile, you have Jared Goff whose Lions currently look like one of the best teams in the league. Two years ago during Goffs first season in Detroit the lions they went 3-13, but right now they are on pace for 13-3...riddle me that! Is this change entirely due to the roster/staff changes around goff?

[1987_Lakers]

Hello

Hello

[warriorfan]

I didn’t watch the whole game but KC was playing good D and those conditions were terrible. Tua didn’t play great but that was a tough game.

I’ve heard buzz about how Dolphins don’t want to extend Tua possibly.

Their window is closing rapidly and don’t have much time. I understand thinking maybe Tua isn’t enough to bring them over the hump so you don’t want to give him a huge contract but the big problem is….what is your backup plan? What other game is in town?

It seems like moving on from Tua right now because your window is shutting is counter productive, won’t a move away from Tua right now all but slam the window shut?

If I’m Miami maybe I try to talk Tua down as much as I can and just sign him and make another one or two runs at it and hope for the best.

[Carbine]

How is their window shutting?

Their oldest "Core" player is Tyreke I believe. He is in peak form right now.

[warriorfan]

How is their window shutting?

Their oldest "Core" player is Tyreke I believe. He is in peak form right now.

The chance of them finding a legit qb to replace Tua before Hill is gone is slim to none. Tyreke has stated he doesn’t plan to play after his contract runs out in 2026.

[Nanners]

The chance of them finding a legit qb to replace Tua before Hill is gone is slim to none. Tyreke has stated he doesn’t plan to play after his contract runs out in 2026.

Tua is not a legit QB? The Dolphins dont want to extend him? The fvck are you talking about?

Tua led the league in passing yards last year while completing 69.3% of his passes (4th in the league) and had a passer rating of 101.1 (5th in the league). Where exactly are the Dolphins going to get a QB that is better than Tua?

Also, Hill just turned 30 years old, his reign has fastest dude in the NFL is going to come to an end sooner rather than later. If anyone on the Dolphins offense is going to be replaced, its Hill not Tua.

[warriorfan]

Tua is not a legit QB? The Dolphins dont want to extend him? The fvck are you talking about?

Tua led the league in passing yards last year while completing 69.3% of his passes (4th in the league) and had a passer rating of 101.1 (5th in the league). Where exactly are the Dolphins going to get a QB that is better than Tua?

Also, Hill just turned 30 years old, his reign has fastest dude in the NFL is going to come to an end sooner rather than later. If anyone on the Dolphins offense is going to be replaced, its Hill not Tua.

If you re read my previous posts I agree with pretty much all of this

I was addressing a rumor about the Dolphins supposedly wanting to move on from Tua, and I was explaining how that doesn’t make sense to do that.

[Nanners]

If you re read my previous posts I agree with pretty much all of this

I was addressing a rumor about the Dolphins supposedly wanting to move on from Tua, and I was explaining how that doesn’t make sense to do that.

my bad :cheers: