Could any version of MJ do what LeBron did in 2016?

[Vino24]

I don

[MrFonzworth]

Get bailed out by the league and a player who wasn't even an all star?

[3ball]

Jordan would've won 70+ and been favored, especially with an extra all-star on his team compared to his 72-win team in 96'

57 wins for that Cleveland super-team is a joke underachievement.. And their offense wasn't even top 75 all-time, while mj's bulls were #2 all-time with FAR less offensive help.. :rolleyes:

MJ would've never lost with an extra all-star like lebron had

[Vino24]

Get bailed out by the league and a player who wasn't even an all star?
Could Jordan elevate Kyrie like LeBron? Or would his need to score 15ppg more monopolize the team

[3ball]

[QUOTE=Vino24]Could Jordan elevate Kyrie like LeBron? Or would his need to score 15ppg more monopolize the team

[Dray n Klay]

Jordan would've won 70+ and been favored, especially with an extra all-star on his team compared to his 72-win team in 96'

57 wins for that Cleveland super-team is a joke underachievement.. And their offense wasn't even top 75 all-time, while mj's bulls were #2 all-time with FAR less offensive help.. :rolleyes:

MJ would've never lost with an extra all-star like lebron had

LeBron didn

[Duncan21formvp]

Jordan won multiple titles as the only allstar including at 35 years of age. Could Lebron actually hit the game winning shot in the finals as a buzzer beater or with 7 seconds left in the game to win the title by a point?

Could Lebron actually only win gold medals like MJ did? Could Lebron actually go undefeated in series with HCA without losing to career losers in Dwight Howard with it? Could Lebron actually build a team from the ground up where no one was ever an allstar before playing with him and actually win? He hasn't shown that ability.

[3ball]

LeBron didn’t have an all star on his roster

So the 2016 Cavs had one less all star than the 1996 Bulls
The 2016 Cavs had 3 perennial all-stars, compared to only 2 for the 96' Bulls

Furthermore, those bulls played 4 on 5 offensively (rodman), and pippen was a weaker scorer than Kyrie, yet the 96' bulls had the #6 all-time offense, while the 16' Cavs were #46.... :facepalm :facepalm ...

jordan was just THAT good offensively and his goat style allowed the best teamwork, so his bulls had goat offenses despite WAY less offensive help than lebron

[Dray n Klay]

The 2016 Cavs had 3 perennial all-stars, compared to only 2 for the 96' Bulls

Furthermore, those bulls played 4 on 5 offensively (rodman), and pippen was a weaker scorer than Kyrie, yet the 96' bulls were #6 all time offensively, while the 16' Cavs were #46.... :facepalm :facepalm ...

jordan was just THAT good offensively and his goat style allowed goat teamwork, so his bulls had goat offenses despite WAY less offensive help than lebron


Who were the perennial all stars on the 2016 Cavs?

[egokiller]

[QUOTE=Vino24]Could Jordan elevate Kyrie like LeBron? Or would his need to score 15ppg more monopolize the team

[TheCorporation]

Absolutely, positively not.

https://i.postimg.cc/YCRfWmC6/FB-IMG-1525375107033.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/XvTZGVdK/FB-IMG-1538798854277.jpg

MJ = 1/5 (Points)
Pip = 4/5 (Reb, Assists, Steals, Blocks)

How many other stars have been carried in 4 of 5 statistical categories?

[sdot_thadon]

The 2016 Cavs had 3 perennial all-stars, compared to only 2 for the 96' Bulls

Furthermore, those bulls played 4 on 5 offensively (rodman), and pippen was a weaker scorer than Kyrie, yet the 96' bulls had the #6 all-time offense, while the 16' Cavs were #46.... :facepalm :facepalm ...

jordan was just THAT good offensively and his goat style allowed the best teamwork, so his bulls had goat offenses despite WAY less offensive help than lebron
Confirmed, this guy never watched the bulls in his life. Rodman was never a scorer but we all know he's a monster offensive, key word offensive rebounder and a suprisingly good passer. He averaged as many assists as Harper did, a shock to me.

Oh and by the way that guy Rodman, the hall of famer was known as part of the bulls big 3....

[TheCorporation]

Jordan would've won 70+ and been favored, especially with an extra all-star on his team compared to his 72-win team in 96'

57 wins for that Cleveland super-team is a joke underachievement.. And their offense wasn't even top 75 all-time, while mj's bulls were #2 all-time with FAR less offensive help.. :rolleyes:

MJ would've never lost with an extra all-star like lebron had

Absolutely, positively not.

https://i.postimg.cc/YCRfWmC6/FB-IMG-1525375107033.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/XvTZGVdK/FB-IMG-1538798854277.jpg

MJ = 1/5 (Points)
Pip = 4/5 (Reb, Assists, Steals, Blocks)

Is MJ the only star that was carried in 4 of 5 statistical categories?

[TheCorporation]

Confirmed, this guy never watched the bulls in his life. Rodman was never a scorer but we all know he's a monster offensive, key word offensive rebounder and a suprisingly good passer. He averaged as many assists as Harper did, a shock to me.

Oh and by the way that guy Rodman, the hall of famer was known as part of the bulls big 3....

Rodman has the the Finals records for most offensive rebounds in a single game at 11.

He did it twice.

[eliteballer]

What are the chances that LeBron James has used HGH or Anabolic Steroids?

[TheCorporation]

Could Jordan elevate Kyrie like LeBron? Or would his need to score 15ppg more monopolize the team’s offense?

Thank you. It's always been my point that haters talk about how LeBron is a bad leader yet he elevated Kyrie to a level nobody thought was possible. A non All Star at that.

https://i.postimg.cc/pds4WDX9/20190322-170339.jpg

It didn't just happen magically...

[3ball]

Absolutely, positively not.

https://i.postimg.cc/YCRfWmC6/FB-IMG-1525375107033.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/XvTZGVdK/FB-IMG-1538798854277.jpg

MJ = 1/5 (Points)
Pip = 4/5 (Reb, Assists, Steals, Blocks)

Is MJ the only star that was carried in 4 of 5 statistical categories?

MJ carried Pippen:


91-93' Playoffs (1st three-peat)


Jordan (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 33.7 on 51.7%.. 6.6 apg.. 31.1 ast %.. 2.1 spg.. 2.9 tov.. 29.5 PER
Pippen (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 20.1 on 47.3%.. 6.1 apg.. 23.3 ast %.. 2.1 spg.. 3.4 tov...19.6 PER


96-98' Playoffs (2nd three-peat)


Jordan (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 31.4 on 45.9%.. 4.1 apg.. 22.3 ast %.. 1.6 spg.. 2.3 tov.. 27.3 PER
Pippen (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 17.6 on 40.8%.. 5.0 apg.. 22.0 ast %.. 2.1 spg.. 2.5 tov.. 19.0 PER


Goat scoring load, team-leading passer, goat defender at position, goat clutch = GOAT (easily)
.

[TheCorporation]

MJ carried Pippen:


91-93' Playoffs (1st three-peat)


Jordan (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 33.7 on 51.7%.. 6.6 apg.. 31.1 ast %.. 2.1 spg.. 2.9 tov.. 29.5 PER
Pippen (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 20.1 on 47.3%.. 6.1 apg.. 23.3 ast %.. 2.1 spg.. 3.4 tov...19.6 PER


96-98' Playoffs (2nd three-peat)


Jordan (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 31.4 on 45.9%.. 4.1 apg.. 22.3 ast %.. 1.6 spg.. 2.3 tov.. 27.3 PER
Pippen (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 17.6 on 40.8%.. 5.0 apg.. 22.0 ast %.. 2.1 spg.. 2.5 tov.. 19.0 PER


Goat scoring load, team-leading passer, goat defender at position, goat clutch = GOAT (easily)
.

We get it. He is a good dunker against short guards...

How many other stars have been carried in 4 of 5 statistical categories?

[Shaquille O'Neal]

I don’t think so. Jordan wasn’t capable of leading everyone in everything for a grueling 7 game series. Jordan’s necessity for scoring 15ppg more than the 2nd option would have monopolized the offense. Only LeBron Ball was capable of beating a 73 win team



Fact: 95-96 Bulls are the *only* team in NBA history to win 70+ games and the 'chip. Jordan was the FMVP of that team.


Meaning, in case you don't understand - Jordan was "the one who knocks".


https://i.ibb.co/sPXCTXR/white.jpg

[Phoenix]

[QUOTE=Vino24]Could Jordan elevate Kyrie like LeBron? Or would his need to score 15ppg more monopolize the team

[Manny98]

Jordan could never beat a team as good as the Warriors, his ceiling was the Utah Jazz :oldlol:

And MJ doesn't have the all around game to lead in all categories he's just a scorer

[Elosha]

Jordan won multiple titles as the only allstar including at 35 years of age. Could Lebron actually hit the game winning shot in the finals as a buzzer beater or with 7 seconds left in the game to win the title by a point?

Could Lebron actually only win gold medals like MJ did? Could Lebron actually go undefeated in series with HCA without losing to career losers in Dwight Howard with it? Could Lebron actually build a team from the ground up where no one was ever an allstar before playing with him and actually win? He hasn't shown that ability.

This. :cheers: Sometimes, the best answer is just a simple reality check. Everything above isn't hyperbole, or what if's. All of this really happened, which is why LeBron will never have a good argument for GOAT over MJ. LeBron's an ATG. Why can't that be enough for his fans? :confusedshrug:

[ImKobe]

Yes he could in the modern era. He's already had a Finals series of leading his team in everything but rebounding, now imagine if his bigs were rotated around like the Cavs did with Love, TT and RJ to skew the totals in his favor.

[LeCola]

No, because there will be no 3-1 lead for Gsw. Jordan would probably win it 4-1 with Irving and Love. :oldlol:


Absolutely, positively not.

https://i.postimg.cc/YCRfWmC6/FB-IMG-1525375107033.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/XvTZGVdK/FB-IMG-1538798854277.jpg

MJ = 1/5 (Points)
Pip = 4/5 (Reb, Assists, Steals, Blocks)

Is MJ the only star that was carried in 4 of 5 statistical categories?

So that stats show:

A-) Jordan>Pippen>Lebron

Or

B-) Jordan increases his teammates' performances and succeed with collaborating, instead of Lebron sucks teammates bloods to increase his stats and as a result of that loses finals.

[Vino24]

LeBron was basically Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman rolled into one. Never seen a player go all out like that

[Hey Yo]

Kyrie scored just as much in game 5 and did it on much better efficiency. Combining that and his series ending shot, he said "fvck it, I'm out." If LeBron was as good as MJ, Kyrie would never have left. LeBron is just a 6 time finals loser that needed Kyrie and Ray Allen to cause him to not be 1-9. :applause:
But according to you, the guy guarding Kyie was injured and was the reason why the Cavs won.

Propping up Kyrie for playing well against his alleged injured defensive opposition Curry??

:durantunimpressed:

[ballinhun8]

92 and 93 MJ.


Still athletically dominant. Absolute terror on defense. Still fresh legs. And the most important part, he was already a champion. So he knew what it would take to have to win.


But, I don't know who gets Draymond suspended. Grant? Cartwright? Pippen?


I guess you could go MJ too but he's not really a troll who would teabag a dude on the court.

[Hey Yo]

Jordan won multiple titles as the only allstar including at 35 years of age. Could Lebron actually hit the game winning shot in the finals as a buzzer beater or with 7 seconds left in the game to win the title by a point?

Could Lebron actually only win gold medals like MJ did? Could Lebron actually go undefeated in series with HCA without losing to career losers in Dwight Howard with it? Could Lebron actually build a team from the ground up where no one was ever an allstar before playing with him and actually win? He hasn't shown that ability.
Jordan never won a title w/o an NBA all-defensive teammate

MJ has 5 titles were Pippen was All-NBA on both sides of the floor while Rodman was NBA all defensive team in '96 and lead the league in rebounding in all 3 years.

Making All-NBA >>>>>> All-Star team

[LostCause]

Jordan from 89-93 was just as dominant all-around as LeBron has ever been, so I'd say any version of him from those years

[TheCorporation]

Well no, and for a number of reasons.


1) He'd have to get more than four reb and two assists

2). He would face actual perimeter defense (Dray, Klay, Iggy) not John Starks and Hornacek

3).He would need to shoot threes, which he is horrible at

4). He would need to elevate Kyrie to a level nobody thought imaginable

5). He would have to pull off the greatest 3-game stretch in finals history, belonging to a one King James

[TheCorporation]

Jordan would've won 70+ and been favored, especially with an extra all-star on his team compared to his 72-win team in 96'

57 wins for that Cleveland super-team is a joke underachievement.. And their offense wasn't even top 75 all-time, while mj's bulls were #2 all-time with FAR less offensive help.. :rolleyes:

MJ would've never lost with an extra all-star like lebron had

MJ would be shook when he found out the Warrior's second option wasn't scoring 10 points a game :lol :lol :lol

Imagine playing against 10 ppg Hornacek and then having to play against Klay Thompson :lol :lol

[TheCorporation]

Absolutely, positively not.

https://i.postimg.cc/YCRfWmC6/FB-IMG-1525375107033.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/XvTZGVdK/FB-IMG-1538798854277.jpg

MJ = 1/5 (Points)
Pip = 4/5 (Reb, Assists, Steals, Blocks)

How many other stars have been carried in 4 of 5 statistical categories?

3ball? We need answers :no:

[TheCorporation]

Jordan could never beat a team as good as the Warriors, his ceiling was the Utah Jazz :oldlol:

And MJ doesn't have the all around game to lead in all categories he's just a scorer

100%

He is a 1/5 type of guy that benefited from a 4/5 Pippen type of guy.

When the second option on the opposing team only scored 10 points a game I'm sure you need to do less but when you face actual competition you kind of need to do a bit more.

[TheCorporation]

92 and 93 MJ.


Still athletically dominant. Absolute terror on defense. Still fresh legs. And the most important part, he was already a champion. So he knew what it would take to have to win.


But, I don't know who gets Draymond suspended. Grant? Cartwright? Pippen?


I guess you could go MJ too but he's not really a troll who would teabag a dude on the court.

Well you would have to ask Draymond that as it depends on whose nuts he wants to slap.

Side note: Draymond was alive and well in game 6 and do you know what happened?

LeBron literally performed the greatest Finals game in NBA history. #1 ranked GmScore. :dancin:

[3ball]

3ball? We need answers :no:
Pippen had 190 more rebounds, 20 more assists, and 10 more steals (230 total)

MJ had 1500 more points

1500 - 230 = 1270 = goat load

And we know that mj assisted on the highest proportion of bulls fg's (assist % leader)

So the goat scoring load, team-leading passing, goat clutch load = goat

Btw, no 2nd option was less clutch than pippen, and no #1 option was more clutch than MJ . So MJ carried the biggest clutch and scoring burden ever, by far

[SomeBlackDude]

the goat led his team to 72 wins and beat 2 60 win teams in '96 alone.

won mvp, fmvp, scoring title, all nba/all nba defense.

[SomeBlackDude]

3ball? We need answers :no:

does this account for wade being able to win a ring for the heat without bron?

what were bron's stats in the '06 finals?

https://i.postimg.cc/cHTqXcxT/d046539682091f21efd0b092d127ff25-grande.jpg

:lol

[SomeBlackDude]

does this account for wade being able to win a ring for the heat without bron?

what were bron's stats in the '06 finals?

https://i.postimg.cc/cHTqXcxT/d046539682091f21efd0b092d127ff25-grande.jpg

:lol

wheels? we need answers. :no:

[yeaaaman]

[QUOTE=Vino24]Could Jordan elevate Kyrie like LeBron? Or would his need to score 15ppg more monopolize the team

[SomeBlackDude]

does this account for wade being able to win a ring for the heat without bron?

what were bron's stats in the '06 finals?

https://i.postimg.cc/cHTqXcxT/d046539682091f21efd0b092d127ff25-grande.jpg

:lol

paging wheels.

lehistory says wade w/o bron = championship + finals mvp.

pip w/o mj =2nd round berth.

thoughts?

:confusedshrug:

[TheCorporation]

[QUOTE=Vino24]I don

[SpaceJam]

The 2016 Cavs had 3 perennial all-stars, compared to only 2 for the 96' Bulls

Furthermore, those bulls played 4 on 5 offensively (rodman), and pippen was a weaker scorer than Kyrie, yet the 96' bulls had the #6 all-time offense, while the 16' Cavs were #46.... :facepalm :facepalm ...

jordan was just THAT good offensively and his goat style allowed the best teamwork, so his bulls had goat offenses despite WAY less offensive help than lebron

Grant and B.J. made the all star game in '94. The 1993 had 4 all star caliber players, that's insanely stacked

[3ball]

If MJ had to face the Warriors:

https://i.postimg.cc/V6VvZtnm/Picposr1266282o.jpg
Stockton was the 2nd best player on the Jazz

Which 2nd best player from a team did lebron face that ranks higher historically than stockton??

I'll wait

And when did lebron beat b2b champs or a team with 3x all-stars at every starting spot?

When did he beat anyone that compares to Shaq/Penny? Hibbert/George - is that the best center/wing combo he beat?.. Lol... Anyone as tough as Riley's Knicks?

Still waiting

[SomeBlackDude]

If MJ had to face the Warriors:



if bron had to face the mavs with wade and bosh:

https://i.postimg.cc/ydwgjCPG/Bron-Terry-Finals.jpg

if wade and toine 'shimmy' walker had to face the mavs:



https://i.postimg.cc/cHTqXcxT/d046539682091f21efd0b092d127ff25-grande.jpg

[TheCorporation]

If MJ had to face the Warriors:

https://i.postimg.cc/V6VvZtnm/Picposr1266282o.jpg

Welcome to the modern era where Jeff Hornacek would be no body's #2 option in the Finals :lol

[Cleverness]

weird hypothetical

could any version of jordan collude with other top players, bail on teams when it gets tough, collude with other top players, whine to the commish to get other team's best defenders suspended for no reason, etc?

nah, no version of jordan would do that.

6/6

[SomeBlackDude]

Welcome to the modern era where Jeff Hornacek would be no body's #2 option in the Finals :lol

'06 wade's second option: toine 'shimmy' walker (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2t8Ba0nyXI) putting up 13.8 ppg on 39% fg

result: wade wins championship & finals mvp vs the mavs

https://i.postimg.cc/cHTqXcxT/d046539682091f21efd0b092d127ff25-grande.jpg



'11 wade's third option: lebron raymone james sr gets outscored by jason terry coming off the bench.

result:

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-13-2018/0Oy75I.gif

:ohwell:

[TheCorporation]

LITERALLY no one ever could, or ever has

https://i.postimg.cc/MHhrZs2H/Top-5-game-sc.png

[3ball]

LITERALLY no one ever could, or ever has

https://i.postimg.cc/MHhrZs2H/Top-5-game-sc.png
Lebron's gamescore was 26.5 in the 2016 Finals - MJ has 2 Finals with over a 30 gamescore, so MJ would've won much easier than lebron did

he certainly would've been much better than 24 ppg and 6 TO's in games 1-4, so he wouldn't have needed a game 7 like lebron did

It's weird because lebron always chokes before a miracle happens to save him, and then he plays better.. in the 13 Finals, lebron's 23 on 43% was insufficient to win thru 6 games, but Ray allen forced a game 7 - only then did lebron play better (after being saved).. same thing happened in the 16' Finals, where lebron was dogshit until Silver saved him.. he's a choker at heart, but got lucky a couple times.. :confusedshrug:

[TheCorporation]

Lebron's gamescore was 26.5 in the 2016 Finals - MJ has 2 Finals with over a 30 gamescore, so MJ would've won much easier than lebron did

he certainly would've been much better than 24 ppg and 6 TO's in games 1-4, so he wouldn't have needed a game 7 like lebron did

It's weird because lebron always chokes before a miracle happens to save him, and then he plays better.. in the 13 Finals, lebron's 23 on 43% was insufficient to win thru 6 games, but Ray allen forced a game 7 - only then did lebron play better (after being saved).. same thing happened in the 16' Finals, where lebron was dogshit until Silver saved him.. he's a choker at heart, but got lucky a couple times.. :confusedshrug:

:blah :blah

Remind me again who has the HIGHEST

Finals GmScore single game? (Highest #1 ever)?
Finals GmScore single game? (Second highest ever)?
Finals GmScore back-to-back games?
Finals GmScore 3-game stretch?

Note: These feats were not achieved versus milkmen or auto mechanics

MJ leads in 1/5 stat categories
Pippen leads in 4/5 stat categories

LBJ leads in...5/5 :eek:

Goodnight buddy, sleep tight

[3ball]

:blah :blah

Remind me again who has the HIGHEST

Finals GmScore single game? (Highest #1 ever)?
Finals GmScore single game? (Second highest ever)?
Finals GmScore back-to-back games?
Finals GmScore 3-game stretch?

Note: These feats were not achieved versus milkmen or auto mechanics

MJ leads in 1/5 stat categories
Pippen leads in 4/5 stat categories

LBJ leads in...5/5 :eek:

Goodnight buddy, sleep tight
Jordan had the highest Finals gamescores, so those scores would win the Finals easier than Lebron's lower score in 2016

Jordan scored 5 more ppg on better offensive efficiency than lebron for their careers

And 7 more points with equal assists for their first 3 rings... 34/7 > 27/7

Oh, and lebron would have zero rings if he was in the west or never colluded - this year proved it - he went to the Finals last year, but misses playoffs this year with a better cast and the same personal stats.. exposed himself like a dumbass.. :banana:
.

[ballinhun8]

You gotta love people that continuously spam advanced numbers but have absolutely no clue what they even mean LMAO

[Gus Hemmingway]

TheCorporation putting on a clinic :applause:

[ballinhun8]

TheCorporation being sent to a clinic :applause:



That's mean bruh

[SpaceJam2]

Lebron's gamescore was 26.5 in the 2016 Finals - MJ has 2 Finals with over a 30 gamescore, so MJ would've won much easier than lebron did

he certainly would've been much better than 24 ppg and 6 TO's in games 1-4, so he wouldn't have needed a game 7 like lebron did

It's weird because lebron always chokes before a miracle happens to save him, and then he plays better.. in the 13 Finals, lebron's 23 on 43% was insufficient to win thru 6 games, but Ray allen forced a game 7 - only then did lebron play better (after being saved).. same thing happened in the 16' Finals, where lebron was dogshit until Silver saved him.. he's a choker at heart, but got lucky a couple times.. :confusedshrug:

I don't think you can call a player "lucky" when he performed the highest level of Finals play for three consecutive games against a 73-win team. Was he under performing prior to being down 3-1, sure, we can say that. But to say he was lucky to have the highest ranked performance thereafter lends little to no sensibility.

For context sake, prior to putting on the show the NBA has never seen before he was still performing well while down 3-1, the numbers show: 25-11-8-2.3 spg-1.8 bpg with 48% FG( (before we went into Terminator mode). So yes, his scoring numbers were down but everything else looked pretty good. The Warriors are a great defending team too, let's not forget they won 73 games and were ranked 5th in Defensive Rtg and 1st in Offensive Rtg.

I hope my words don't fall on deaf, stubborn ears because you have a lot to say in these forums but you do need some balance with what you say.

[3ball]

For context sake, prior to putting on the show the NBA has never seen before he was still performing well while down 3-1, the numbers show: 25-11-8-2.3 spg-1.8 bpg with 48% FG( (before we went into Terminator mode). So yes, his scoring numbers were down but everything else looked pretty good. The Warriors are a great defending team too, let's not forget they won 73 games and were ranked 5th in Defensive Rtg and 1st in Offensive Rtg.

I hope my words don't fall on deaf, stubborn ears because you have a lot to say in these forums but you do need some balance with what you say.


Everything else looked good?

6 TO per game boss

24 and 6 TO for the first 4 games is horrible, regardless of the other stats.. That's why he was down 3-1 - almost no team could win a Finals with the star putting up those numbers..

but again, we know that silver provided a boost, and lebron played better after that, just like in 13'... Hey just think - if he could've gotten a boost in 2011, I'm sure that series would've turned around too - but i guess nobody is THAT lucky, not even LeFraud





I don't think you can call a player "lucky" when he performed the highest level of Finals play for three consecutive games against a 73-win team. Was he under performing prior to being down 3-1, sure, we can say that. But to say he was lucky to have the highest ranked performance thereafter lends little to no sensibility.


When did Jordan underperform and lay eggs for the first 4 games of a Finals?

In 6 NBA Finals, Jordan never underperformed when the series was in the balance.. ever.. everyone knows that his only letdown was after securing a 3-0 lead, which he confessed made him the most relaxed he'd ever been (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfAoaAb3Nc0&t=42m32s) right before game 4

That's a far cry from lebron laying eggs for the first 6 games and needing Ray allen to save him, or laying eggs for 4 games and needing a boost from the commissioner - it's a fact that he was dogshit until being saved in both those series - that's a fact - he was shit until he got saved..

You simply want me to baby lebron like you do and be like "it's okay bronny, ur still as good as mj even though you don't play like it or don't succeed as much"... Sorry, I don't do that
.

[Soundwave]

2016 should've been competitive always, Warriors just over achieved in the regular season

LeBron Curry
Kyrie Klay
Love Draymond

Should be an evenly matched series. I don't see some huge mismatch at any of the big three spots. When they get Durant is when the scales tips, but otherwise, no this should have always been a competitive series.

Honestly think Kyrie is a better player than Klay Thompson too, Klay relies too much just on his shot, Kyrie can generate offence in more ways.

[Soundwave]

Absolutely, positively not.

https://i.postimg.cc/YCRfWmC6/FB-IMG-1525375107033.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/XvTZGVdK/FB-IMG-1538798854277.jpg

MJ = 1/5 (Points)
Pip = 4/5 (Reb, Assists, Steals, Blocks)

How many other stars have been carried in 4 of 5 statistical categories?

That doesn't really show what the idiots here want it to show when you break it down. It shows Jordan was very close to Pippen in assists and steals while dominating him in the scoring category. Scottie really only has a sizable gap in rebounding numbers which is to be expected (forward should be closer to the basket than a guard is).

While Jordan scored a ton more and still had assist and steal numbers comparable to "Mr. All-Around" Pippen. I'm actually surprised the assist numbers are that close, would've thought Scottie would have a larger gap there, but it's a virtual wash.

Pippen had 1.6 rpg more than Jordan, but Jordan is very close in every other category while providing a whopping 14 more ppg. Gimme a break. That's almost double Pippen's 19 ppg.

20 more assists over 116 games works out to a whopping 0.17 more assist per game. That's one extra assist over the course of a 7 game series. Whoopity doo.

In 4/6 Bulls titles Pippen didn't even average 20 ppg.

[And1AllDay]

wow

[Turbo Slayer]

:pimp:

[And1AllDay]

I don't think you can call a player "lucky" when he performed the highest level of Finals play for three consecutive games against a 73-win team. Was he under performing prior to being down 3-1, sure, we can say that. But to say he was lucky to have the highest ranked performance thereafter lends little to no sensibility.

For context sake, prior to putting on the show the NBA has never seen before he was still performing well while down 3-1, the numbers show: 25-11-8-2.3 spg-1.8 bpg with 48% FG( (before we went into Terminator mode). So yes, his scoring numbers were down but everything else looked pretty good. The Warriors are a great defending team too, let's not forget they won 73 games and were ranked 5th in Defensive Rtg and 1st in Offensive Rtg.

I hope my words don't fall on deaf, stubborn ears because you have a lot to say in these forums but you do need some balance with what you say.

Ouch

so 25/11/9/2/2 on 48% is a down performance for bran versus a 73 win team
:eek: how great is our god

[warriorfan]

2016 is an asterisk ring

[Turbo Slayer]

2016 is an asterisk ring
:oldlol: :oldlol:

Typical hater. STILL FUMING OVER THE 2016 Finals?!!?!?

Unreal.

:cry:

[And1AllDay]

2016 is an asterisk ring

are you okay

[egokiller]

[QUOTE=Vino24]I don

[egokiller]

:oldlol: :oldlol:

Typical hater. STILL FUMING OVER THE 2016 Finals?!!?!?

Unreal.

:cry:

Kid, you weren't even allowed to stay up late enough to watch the 2016 finals.

[Turbo Slayer]

Who the fvck even allows a final series to go to 7 games? Obviously someone that isn't GOAT. :applause:


:biggums: Hater. Obviously.

[egokiller]

:biggums: Hater. Obviously.

What would you know about it? You weren't even born when LeBron came into the league. :oldlol:

[Manny98]

MJ unfortunately lacks the complete all around skillset required to do what LeBron did :(

https://i.postimg.cc/bYVHzgRf/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d-1.jpg

[Turbo Slayer]

MJ unfortunately lacks the complete all around skillset required to do what LeBron did :(

https://i.postimg.cc/bYVHzgRf/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d-1.jpg
Whats up manny? ya my boi.

https://media.giphy.com/media/WsRfTFCRA0ntNyCAIe/giphy.gif

I got ya back, brother.

[madmax]

Absolutely, positively not.

https://i.postimg.cc/YCRfWmC6/FB-IMG-1525375107033.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/XvTZGVdK/FB-IMG-1538798854277.jpg

MJ = 1/5 (Points)
Pip = 4/5 (Reb, Assists, Steals, Blocks)

How many other stars have been carried in 4 of 5 statistical categories?

:applause:
Jordan getting carried by a GOAT defensive wing player of the 90's:bowdown: We've all witnessed it and no amount of Jordan trolls trying to rewrite the history will change it:cheers:

[Turbo Slayer]

:applause:
Jordan getting carried by a GOAT defensive wing player of the 90's:bowdown: We've all witnessed it and no amount of Jordan trolls trying to rewrite the history will change it:cheers:
:rockon:

WHAT A TIME

[ImKobe]

MJ led the Bulls in every stat but rebounds in the 1991 Finals while averaging more points and assists than Lebron did in any Finals win/title run.

[Turbo Slayer]

MJ led the Bulls in every stat but rebounds in the 1991 Finals while averaging more points and assists than Lebron did in any Finals win/title run.
troll.
Shaq carried kobe to the finals.

:(

[3ball]

troll.
Shaq carried kobe to the finals.

:(
Scoring 10-20 more than your 2nd option in all Finals while being nearly equal in every other category

>

Scoring nearly the same as your 2nd option in all your Finals wins, while barely leading in the other categories.


Or said more simply:

Goat scoring carry-job with great all-round play > equal scoring with 2nd option and great all-round play

[Bronbron23]

[QUOTE=Vino24]I don

[G0ATbe]

Nah. Jordan wouldnt have put forth the all around game needed to win that series. Plus lebron elevated kyries game to a level we havent seen since he left cleveland. Pippens best season was when MJ retired. With all the talk about lebron making teammates worse MJ actually has a better case for that mantle.

[ImKobe]

Nah. Jordan wouldnt have put forth the all around game needed to win that series. Plus lebron elevated kyries game to a level we havent seen since he left cleveland. Pippens best season was when MJ retired. With all the talk about lebron making teammates worse MJ actually has a better case for that mantle.

Jordan's put up more points/assists than Lebron with better defense, so exactly what is it that Lebron has done better for a title run?

No Game 7s in the Finals, big Game-winners to prevent elimination...

while Lebron keeps losing when it's up to him to close a Finals series.

[egokiller]

Scoring 10-20 more than your 2nd option in all Finals while being nearly equal in every other category

>

Scoring nearly the same as your 2nd option in all your Finals wins, while barely leading in the other categories.


Or said more simply:

Goat scoring carry-job with great all-round play > equal scoring with 2nd option and great all-round play

3ball educating these kids on the reg and giving their lives new meaning.

Amazing! :applause:

[Turbo Slayer]

mj could never come back from 3-1. :biggums:

[Manny98]

Jordan's put up more points/assists than Lebron with better defense, so exactly what is it that Lebron has done better for a title run?

No Game 7s in the Finals, big Game-winners to prevent elimination...

while Lebron keeps losing when it's up to him to close a Finals series.
LeBron did this

https://i.postimg.cc/bYVHzgRf/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d-1.jpg

Against a team better than any team MJ has ever faced.

2016 finals > MJs entire career

[ImKobe]

mj could never come back from 3-1. :biggums:

MJ didn't need to because he never faced elimination in the Finals.

[Turbo Slayer]

LeBron did this

https://i.postimg.cc/bYVHzgRf/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d-1.jpg

Against a team better than any team MJ has ever faced.

2016 finals > MJs entire career
:cheers:

[3ball]

mj could never come back from 3-1. :biggums:
Jordan could never average 24 and 6 turnovers through 4 games to get down 3-1.. :confusedshrug:

Only someone that freezes in every Finals to start the series could do that - don't forget that Lebron averaged 16 on 39% through 3 games of 2013 Finals - that caused a 2-1 deficit and Ray needed to forced Game 7... Lebron is simply a choker that gets scared at the beginning of every championship.. :facepalm

so it was deja vu... at the start of the 2013 and 2016 Finals, he actually froze up WORSE than the 2011 Finals, and therefore needed a teammate to save the series later on..

It's just sheer chance that Wade wasn't able to hit the big shot like Ray and Kyrie did to save the 11' Finals like they did in 13' and 16'

[Turbo Slayer]

Jordan could never average 24 and 6 turnovers through 4 games to get down 3-1.. :confusedshrug:

Only someone that freezes in every Finals to start the series could do that - don't forget that Lebron averaged 16 on 39% through 3 games of 2013 Finals - that caused a 2-1 deficit and Ray needed to forced Game 7... Lebron is simply a choker that gets scared at the beginning of every championship.. :facepalm

so it was deja vu... at the start of the 2013 and 2016 Finals, he actually froze up WORSE than the 2011 Finals, and therefore needed a teammate to save the series later on..

It's just sheer chance that Wade wasn't able to hit the big shot like Ray and Kyrie did to save the 11' Finals like they did in 13' and 16'
Greatest elimination game performer of alltime. :bowdown:

LeComeback. :biggums:

[3ball]

Greatest elimination game performer of alltime. :bowdown:

LeComeback. :biggums:
He's scared at the bright lights and performs like scared garbage at the start of every championship:

2013 - 16 on 39% thru 3 games (2-1 deficit), so he needed Ray Allen to force Game 7

2016 - 24 and 6 turnovers thru 4 games (3-1 deficit), so he needed Kyrie to save Game 7


Only scared chokers play like shit to start the championship, so they need a teammate to save it at the end

[Turbo Slayer]

He's scared at the bright lights and performs like scared garbage at the start of every championship:

2013 - 16 on 39% thru 3 games (2-1 deficit), so he needed Ray Allen to force Game 7

2016 - 24 and 6 turnovers thru 4 games (3-1 deficit), so he needed Kyrie to save Game 7


Only scared chokers play like shit to start the championship, so they need a teammate to save it at the end
2012 finals:
Game 1: 30
Game 2: 32
Game 3: 29
Game 4: 26

Average through 4 games: 29.25 points

but but Lebron is worthless at the start of the Finals :rolleyes:

You left the 2012 finals purposely. :biggums:

You should be banned. Always defend MJ :biggums:

[3ball]

2012 finals:
Game 1: 30
Game 2: 32
Game 3: 29
Game 4: 26

Average through 4 games: 29.25 points

but but Lebron is worthless at the start of the Finals :rolleyes:

You left the 2012 finals purposely. :biggums:

You should be banned. Always defend MJ :biggums:
^^^ that's the one off

his standard for winning Finals is playing scared at the start, and then have a teammate force Game 7, or save Game 7

that's the historical record - Lebron is mostly a scared bitch at the start of championships that he can win

[Turbo Slayer]

^^^ that's the one off

his standard for winning Finals is playing scared at the start, and then have a teammate force Game 7, or save Game 7

that's the historical record - Lebron is mostly a scared bitch at the start of championships that he can win
In typical hater fashion. I actually applaud you. :applause:

[egokiller]

14 year olds getting educated on ISH about a man who was drafted before they were even born and then responding with "hater".

Stay in school kids. :oldlol: