What makes the Spurs peak > 90's Suns? Peaking more yrs/longer doesn't = HIGHER peak

[3ball]

That's why all the bulls opponents in the 90's can be equal or better than the Spurs despite only making 1 or 2 Finals

They only peaked 1 year because of parity (better comp), but that doesn't mean their peak was any less

It's no different than players peaking for longer or shorter time periods - length of peak doesn't change the DEGREE of peaking

[Mask the Embiid]

Kobe played the tougher competition Bruce.Stop trying to rewrite history, ya boy had a cake walk every year except for the 92 playoffs.

[TheCorporation]

What makes your critical thinking skills more competent than that of a 12 year old? This would make for a much more insightful, accurate thread title. But alas, I digress:

Are you comparing a team that has won 5 championships versus a team that has won zero.

Are you comparing a team that has made the playoffs for 22 years in a row (NBA record)

Are you comparing a team that has had a core of 3-4 legendary HOF players

Are you completely insane (or at the least, below the 6th grade critical thinking level)

Where does your trolling begin and end? Does your idiotic trolling know no bounds?

[SIZE="3"][b]iS tHe 4-aLL sTAr hAwKs tEaM tHaT LeBroN sWePt beTTeR tHaN mJ

[Smoke117]

I'm confused what led to this thread. It obviously has to do with Jordan somehow, but I don't get it. Did someone say the Spurs in the 2000s were way better than the 93 suns and this triggered you or something? What can I say? I'm actually sane. I'm not a 40+ year old man who obsesses over some nikka who shot a orange ball in a red rim 20 years ago so I can't get on the same level. Try and bring your insanity down to the the rest of us (correction: some of us. As half this board is as mentally lost as you are), please.

[TheCorporation]

I'm confused what led to this thread. It obviously has to do with Jordan somehow, but I don't get it. Did someone say the Spurs in the 2000s were way better than the 93 suns and this triggered you or something? What can I say? I'm actually sane. I'm not a 40+ year old man who obsesses over some nikka who shot a orange ball in a red rim 20 years ago so I can't get on the same level. Try and bring your insanity down to the the rest of us (correction: some of us. As half this board is as mentally lost as you are), please.

:applause:

It's probably because I'd said LeBron faced dynasties to win his chips while MJ hasn't. Even though I have also said numerous times that MJ's '93 Suns chip was a big win for him (even though 3ball gives LBJ no credit for 2016).

3ball is in an insane asylum all on his own. There is crazy. Then there's super crazy. Then there is 3ball crazy.

[3ball]

I think the thread title is pretty self-explanatory and intuitive, so that's why you guys aren't refuting it and choosing to go the "you post too much" deflection route instead

People say the Spurs were better than mj's comp but all of mj's Finals opponents could beat the Spurs except the 92' blazers

Oh wait.. the jazz DID destroy duncan/popovich already, so there you have it.. it already happened.. and the jazz < 93' suns, bad boys or 92' Knicks

There was simply more parity and more "good" teams competing for a ring back then - you couldn't just stack your team with stars and be one of 2 teams hoarding the talent for easy championship runs like the recent cavs/warriors and heat/spurs before that.. it's easier to win as 1 of 2 teams with all the talent, as opposed to being one of many teams with comparable talent (parity)

[TheCorporation]

I think the thread title is pretty self-explanatory and intuitive, so that's why you guys aren't refuting it and choosing to go the "you post too much" deflection route instead

People say the Spurs were better than mj's comp but all of mj's Finals opponents could beat the Spurs except the 92' blazers

Oh wait.. the jazz DID destroy duncan/popovich already, so there you have it.. it already happened.. and the jazz < 93' suns, bad boys or 92' Knicks

There was simply more parity and more "good" teams competing for a ring back then - you couldn't just stack your team with stars and be one of 2 teams hoarding the talent for easy championship runs like the recent cavs/warriors and heat/spurs before that.. it's easier to win as 1 of 2 teams with all the talent, as opposed to being one of many teams with comparable talent (parity)

Spurs rings: 5
Suns, Blazers, Jazz, Sonics rings: 0

:(

Goodnight now, sweetie

[3ball]

Spurs rings: 5
Suns, Blazers, Jazz, Sonics rings: 0

:(

Goodnight now, sweetie
Jazz already destroyed the Duncan/Popovich Spurs, so the bulls would sweep the spurs, probably by record amount

So we already have the proof of what I'm saying.. :pimp:

Furthermore, the suns and sonics peaked higher than most of those spurs teams, if not all of them.. the sonics beat Hakeem in 93' with Payton/Kemp/Schrempf all averaging over 20 - they would've made the Finals that year, but Barkley's 45/25 in game 7 stopped them..

When these teams made the Finals, they were battle-tested and it was their banner year - everything had come together perfect for them to overcome the parity... these teams peaked higher than the Spurs and were tougher than any 00's spurs team would be.. the Spurs simply played against weaker parity and therefore weaker comp - but we saw what the jazz did to them.. curb stomped

[TheCorporation]

Jazz already destroyed the Duncan/Popovich Spurs, so the bulls would sweep the spurs, probably by record amount

So we already have the proof of what I'm saying.. :pimp:

Furthermore, the suns and sonics peaked higher than most of those spurs teams, if not all of them.. the sonics beat Hakeem in 93' with Payton/Kemp/Schrempf all averaging over 20 - they would've made the Finals that year, but Barkley's 45/25 in game 7 stopped them.. anytime these teams made the Finals, they were battle-tested and it was their banner year where everything came together perfect for them to overcome the parity... these teams peaked higher than the Spurs and were tougher than any 00's spurs team would be..

Right

So

Spurs rings: 5
Suns, Blazers, Jazz, Sonics rings: 0

Next

[3ball]

Right

So

Spurs rings: 5
Suns, Blazers, Jazz, Sonics rings: 0

Next
Right.. the Jazz beat Duncan/Popovich

So the bulls would've annihilated the spurs.. their weaker, international athleticism and brand of ball was always perfectly suited for the bulls superiority.. heck, jordan was beating them without Pip in the RS

[SpaceJam]

Thank you 3ball, very cool! Now who of MJ's opponents were as good as the 73 win Warriors?

[3ball]

Thank you 3ball, very cool! Now who of MJ's opponents were as good as the 73 win Warriors?
when did lebron beat b2b champs that had 3x all-stars at every starting spot?

Lebron never beat b2b champs or that many all-stars.. isiah/dumars/rodman > curry/klay/dray.. and the Pistons had two more perennial all-stars IN ADDITION to that big 3

And when did lebron demolish Duncan/Popovich in 5 games like the Jazz did?? (who also swept shaq's 4 all-star Lakers)

And when did lebron beat anyone that compares to Shaq/Penny? Is Hibbert/George the best center/wing combo he beat?.. Lol...

Anyone as tough as Riley's Knicks?

I laugh that people that think beating a couple fragile, coddled athlete's kids (curry/klay) is tougher to beat than shaq/penny, or malone/stockton.. :rolleyes:

[SpaceJam]

when did lebron beat b2b champs that had 3x all-stars at every starting spot?

Lebron never beat b2b champs or that many all-stars.. Isiah/dumars/rodman > curry/klay/dray.. and the Pistons had two more 3x all-stars IN ADDITION to that big 3

And when did lebron demolish Duncan/Please in 5 games like the Jazz did (who also swept shaq's 4 all-star Lakers)???

And when did lebron beat anyone that compares to Shaq/Penny? Is it Hibbert/George - is that the best center/wing combo he beat?.. Lol...

Anyone as tough as Riley's Knicks?

I laugh that people that think beating a couple fragile, coddled athlete's kids (curry/klay) is tougher to beat than shaq/penny, or malone/stockton.. :rolleyes:

If I'm reading correct
Bad Boy Pistons
Late 90's Jazz
Shaq/Penny Magic
Riley Knicks

All better than the Warriors? Crazy

[3ball]

If I'm reading correct
Bad Boy Pistons
Late 90's Jazz
Shaq/Penny Magic
Riley Knicks

All better than the warriors? Crazy
Don't try to conflate the pre-durant Warriors and post-durant warriors

Lebron beat the pre-durant Warriors, who weren't a great post-season team, let alone b2b champs with perennial all-stars at every starting spot like the bad boys... :rolleyes:

And yes, those other teams you listed > curry/klay warriors, who needed 6 to beat an injured Cavs team that was shooting 39% on the bulk of their shots.. fragile-ass team

[SpaceJam]

Don't try to conflate the pre-durant Warriors and post-durant warriors

Lebron beat the pre-durant Warriors, who weren't a great post-season team, let alone b2b champs with perennial all-stars at every starting spot like the bad boys... :rolleyes:

And yes, those other teams you listed > curry/klay warriors, who needed 6 to beat an injured Cavs team that was shooting 39% on the bulk of their shots.. fragile-ass team

It's hilarious you try to push this narrative that they had all stars at every starting position, let alone 3x. Who would they be by the way....besides Laimbeer, Dumars and Zeke?

[3ball]

It's hilarious you try to push this narrative that they had all stars at every starting position, let alone 3x. Who would they be by the way....besides Laimbeer, Dumars and Zeke?
Aguirre was a 3x all-star... Rodman 2x and 2 dpoy

So 3x all-stars at every starting spot (zeke, dumars, laimbeer, aguirre), except 2x rodman

Lebron never beat b2b champs, or a team with all-star experience at every starting spot.. :pimp:

And lebron lost to Dwight and Dirk, so he'd get destroyed by the Shaq/Duncan killers (jazz), the Laker/Celtic killers (bad boys), or the baseball MJ killers (Shaq/Penny Magic)

[SpaceJam]

Aguirre was a 3x all-star... Rodman 2x and 2 dpoy

So 3x all-stars at every starting spot (zeke, dumars, laimbeer, aguirre), except 2x rodman)


Rodman was a 1x All Star at that point, Aguirre was no where near all star level and Laimbeer's last appearance was half a decade prior. Dumars/Thomas I'll give ya.

Other than that, no dice my brother

[And1AllDay]

Rodman was a 1x All Star at that point, Aguirre was no where near all star level and Laimbeer's last appearance was half a decade prior. Dumars/Thomas I'll give ya.

Other than that, no dice my brother

2baLLLL inflation caught once again smh

[3ball]

Rodman was a 1x All Star at that point, Aguirre was no where near all star level and Laimbeer's last appearance was half a decade prior. Dumars/Thomas I'll give ya.

Other than that, no dice my brother
91' Pistons were a lot more decorated than the 16' Warriors, any way you slice it

lebron never beat b2b champs, or a team with all-star experience at every starting spot.. :confusedshrug:

isiah/dumars/rodman > curry/klay/dray, and the Pistons had 2 other guys with all-star experience on top of that

And when did lebron demolish Duncan/Popovich in 5 games like the Jazz did (who also swept shaq's 4 all-star Lakers)???..

And when did lebron beat anyone that compares to Shaq/Penny? Is Hibbert/George the best center/wing combo he beat?.. Lol... Anyone as tough as Riley's Knicks?... I laugh that people that think beating a couple fragile, coddled athlete's kids (curry/klay) is tougher to beat than shaq/penny, or malone/stockton..

[SpaceJam]

blah blah blah

Typical 3ball play. Get caught out on your BS so you re-post the same copy and paste drivel, couldn't care less about the tough Riley Knicks, or the Shaq/Penny combo.

My comment was in regards to the Pistons having perennial all-stars at every starting position

[3ball]

Typical 3ball play. Get caught out on your BS so you re-post the same copy and paste drivel, couldn't care less about the tough Riley Knicks, or the Shaq/Penny combo.

My comment was in regards to the Pistons having perennial all-stars at every starting position
91' Pistons were a lot more decorated than the 16' Warriors, any way you slice it

lebron never beat b2b champs, or a team with all-star experience at every starting spot like those bad boys

isiah/dumars/rodman > curry/klay/dray, and the Pistons had 2 other guys with all-star experience on top of that

Btw, Phil Jackson wasn't a Hof coach in 1990 either.. MJ was the goat candidate in 1990, and phil was a 1st-time, nobody coach... Phil became Hof because MJ agreed to lend his goat skills to the triangle.. the rest is history.. so we can look at things in the moment, in hindsight; it doesn't matter
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[SpaceJam]

91' Pistons were a lot more decorated than the 16' Warriors, any way you slice it

lebron never beat b2b champs, or a team with all-star experience at every starting spot like those bad boys

isiah/dumars/rodman > curry/klay/dray, and the Pistons had 2 other guys with all-star experience on top of that

'13 Spurs were more decorated than the '91 Pistons too bro, slice that one for me

[3ball]

'13 Spurs were more decorated than the '91 Pistons too bro, slice that one for me
They weren't b2b champs, nor did they have all-star experience at 5 spots

Most importantly, lebron's 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games and needed ray allen to force game 7... And lebron was a net negative for the series - the heat lost when he was on the floor (-0.2) (https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/advanced/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4), but Ray Allen's +7.3 (https://stats.nba.com/player/951/advanced/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4) allowed the heat to win... That's a statistical fact..

Basically, lebron played like dogshit in the 13' Finals.. he averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games, as the Spurs strategy to give him open jumpers actually worked.. :eek:.. then his 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games and needed ray allen to force game 7... And he was a net negative.... :confusedshrug:... so I wouldn't bring up the 13' Finals because lebron sucked and needed to get lucky

[SpaceJam]

They weren't b2b champs, nor did they have all-star experience at 5 spots

So just having all-star experience is a thing now? :roll: doesn't matter if it was half a decade ago when they last made the all star game....it's the experience that is invaluable?

2007 Pistons could put together a starting lineup of players with all-star experience :eek:

[SpaceJam]

And so could the 16 Warriors, which makes him and his entire point beyond retarded. Curry, Klay, Iguodala (started in the Finals) and Green were all stars at one point.

The hilarity of it is the use of a team being more 'decorated' so therefore they're better

2011 Celtics
Rajon Rondo x2 AS
Ray Allen x10 AS
Paul Pierce x9 AS
Kevin Garnett 14x AS
Shaq O'Neal 15x AS

Bench
Jermaine O'Neal 6x AS

DECORATED!

[3ball]

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So just having all-star experience is a thing now? :roll: doesn't matter if it was half a decade ago when they last made the all star game....it's the experience that is invaluable?

2007 Pistons could put together a starting lineup of players with all-star experience :eek:
Yes all-star experience is a thing.. so is having the dpoy

And so is being b2b champs

The spurs were inferior in all these areas

And the 07' pistons? Are you serious? They sucked... additionally, Lebron averaged 25 on 45% against them in ecf, and 24 on 43 in the ecsf - so AI, Kidd, and Dwight were more impressive carrying weak casts in that decade.. lebron simply did what lesser players were doing (carrying weak casts to Finals).. except he should be knocked for failing to make the easy runs in 09/10, and ceding those runs to dwight and a 50-win Celtics team.. that's why lebron team-hopped - he couldn't make the Finals again in the weak conference - 07' was a fluke

[SpaceJam]

Yes all-star experience is a thing.. so is having the dpoy

And so is being b2b champs

The spurs were inferior in all these areas

And the 07' pistons? Are you serious? They sucked... additionally, Lebron averaged 25 on 45% against them in ecf, and 24 on 43 in the ecsf - so AI, Kidd, and Dwight were more impressive carrying weak casts in that decade.. lebron simply did what lesser players were doing (carrying weak casts to Finals).. except he should be knocked for failing to make the easy runs in 09/10, and ceding those runs to dwight and a 50-win Celtics team

My brother how can you say that about the '07 Pistons, look at how decorated they were!! All that all-star experience

[3ball]

My brother how can you say that about the '07 Pistons, look at how decorated they were!! All that all-star experience
inferior all-star experience and nowhere near b2b champs

[SpaceJam]

inferior all-star experience and nowhere near b2b champs


Inferior in what sense my brother, all-star experience is all-star experience

[3ball]

Inferior in what sense my brother, all-star experience is all-star experience
inferior all-star experience and nowhere near b2b champs

lebron's 07' was the same thing lesser players were doing (carrying weak casts to Finals, i.e. AI, Kidd, Dwight).. except lebron should be knocked for failing to make additional easy runs in 09/10, and ceding those runs to dwight and a 50-win Celtics team..

That's why lebron team-hopped - he couldn't make the Finals again in the weak conference, thus proving 07' was a fluke

[SpaceJam]

inferior all-star experience and nowhere near b2b champs


Inferior in what sense my brother? All-star experience is all-star experience

[3ball]

Inferior in what sense my brother? All-star experience is all-star experience
07' pistons were nowhere near champs, let alone b2b champs

They were a 53-win 1 seed that lost to a 50-win 2 seed.. basically nothing

We know it was a fluke because lebron had to team-hop to make the Finals again, even though he should've made the Finals in 09 and 10

Lebron never had more than 1 upset in a playoff run, while 89' MJ executed 2.. lebron is a fraud, exposed finally this year

[TheCorporation]

Rings?

Spurs vs Jazz, Sonics, Suns, Trailblazers?

5 to 0?

Thanks

[ballinhun8]

This may be the dumbest thread ever on ISH and I haven't even bothered to read one post in it.

[SpaceJam2]

This may be the dumbest thread ever on ISH and I haven't even bothered to read one post in it.

I find myself in agreement.

[baudkarma]

Jazz already destroyed the Duncan/Popovich Spurs, so the bulls would sweep the spurs, probably by record amount



The Jazz beat the '98 Spurs, who had Robinson, Tim Duncan in his rookie year, and not a whole lot else. That was hardly a peak Spurs team, in fact it's probably the worst team the Spurs have put on the court in the Popovich era.

But go ahead, set up some more straw men.

[3ball]

The Jazz beat the '98 Spurs, who had Robinson, Tim Duncan in his rookie year, and not a whole lot else. That was hardly a peak Spurs team, in fact it's probably the worst team the Spurs have put on the court in the Popovich era.

But go ahead, set up some more straw men.
It's the same team that won the ring in 99

The jazz actually had less talent - Stockton/Malone and not much else, like you said

We can all make excuses for any year and any player - ish posters are very good at that

But the bottom line is that the jazz beat a 56-win Duncan/Robinson/Popovich team, after sweeping a 4 all-star Shaq team.. that's more than enough to show the jazz were a real team and on the same level as the popovich's spurs teams.. and that's without considering that the jazz were within a couple Jordan game-winners or a flu game away from beating the goat bulls

So you can call it a straw man, but I'm just presenting facts, and you're the one deflecting.. I don't have to deflect because the facts are on my side