If Harden wins his 2nd MVP

[Vino24]

Does he surpass Kobe?

[LAmbruh]

most already have him above Kobe all-time

[superduper]

most already have him above Kobe all-time

Anyone credible?

[Gus Hemmingway]

most already have him above Kobe all-time
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[baudkarma]

Does he surpass Kobe?

Did Steve Nash surpass Kobe when he won back-to-back MVPs?

[superduper]

Did Steve Nash surpass Kobe when he won back-to-back MVPs?

Nash > Shaq

[SpaceJam2]

most already have him above Kobe all-time

If we are talking individually, yes no doubt. Kobe never was anything special on an individual level, but as a career no.

Kobe was awarded a 7 foot one monster in O'Neal to lead him in his younger days where he might have been another 1-9 type of player (after all, Kobe is no LeBron).

If Harden misses the playoffs in his prime then we can bring them about even. As it stands, Harden has played for 10 years and has not missed the playoffs once.

[SpaceJam2]

Nash > Shaq

Do you believe this or trolling to prove a point? There is no one specific formula to perfectly construct who/what is the best at anything, there will always be subjectivity. But you cannot deny that winning only 1 MVP in 20 years does hurt some of his legacy?

[CurryOverLebron]

LAmbruh, are you even a Lebron fan or just a Kobe hater that has allied with Lebron fans because his fanbase hates Kobe the most.

[SpaceJam2]

LAmbruh, are you even a Lebron fan or just a Kobe hater that has allied with Lebron fans because his fanbase hates Kobe the most.

Not sure who Simon is but why would an LBJ fanbase hate Kobe the most when they aren't even comparable at this point? Prior to 2012 I would say yes, LBJ fanbase hated Kobe because even though everyone knew LBJ was a better talent, Kobe had the rings and Finals MVPs. Fastforward to 2013 and the cinch was tightening around Kobe fan's necks. After 2016 there is no more comparison whatsoever, and one could even argue that after 2013 there was no comparison.

How can a fanbase hate a player that is tiers below them? That would be like a Magic Johnson fanbase hating on Allen Iverson. It just...doesn't...make...sense?

[Ben Simmons 25]

Nash > Shaq

Nash > Shaq
Kobe > Shaq

Hmm... seems legitimate... let's give this a heavy level of analysis...

Shaq + Kobe = 3 titles and 4 finals appearances.
Kobe + Nash = FAIL.

Oops, guess not.

[SpaceJam2]

LAmbruh, are you even a Lebron fan or just a Kobe hater that has allied with Lebron fans because his fanbase hates Kobe the most.

His statement clearly reads:

My city, his kingdom.

Suffice to say the man is the biggest Lakers fan we have on this board.

[ArbitraryWater]

Affirmative.

[SpaceJam2]

Nash > Shaq
Kobe > Shaq

Hmm... seems legitimate... let's give this a heavy level of analysis...

Kobe + Nash = FAIL.

Oops, guess not.

I've never even seen that typed out and while it's got a bit of humor to it, it is a funny and interesting point.

[G0ATbe]

Peak for peak he's definitely better than Kobe but he needs to win a championship as the man just once to put forth a discussion worthwhile.

[superduper]

Do you believe this or trolling to prove a point? There is no one specific formula to perfectly construct who/what is the best at anything, there will always be subjectivity. But you cannot deny that winning only 1 MVP in 20 years does hurt some of his legacy?

Clearly a troll to prove a point.

The MVP is based on media bias/media narratives and the voters are clueless for the most part when it comes to analyzing high level basketball. MVPs and FMVPs are rated a lot higher than they should be.

[The Iron Fist]

Do you believe this or trolling to prove a point? There is no one specific formula to perfectly construct who/what is the best at anything, there will always be subjectivity. But you cannot deny that winning only 1 MVP in 20 years does hurt some of his legacy?
Hurts Shaq alot more when people state hes the most dominant ever. Not many people expected much out of Kobe. Which is why they kept hating year after year as he continued to improve and pile up rings.

[LAmbruh]

another landslide consensus :applause:

[sammichoffate]

He has to surpass Wade and Iverson first

[3ball]

The rule changes caused league-wide ppg to increase by over 5 points this year, the biggest 1-year change since 1957

DRtg also skyrocketed to a record 110.2, or nearly 2 points higher than any other year

So the rule changes this year cause an asterisk

And compared to Kobe's era, today's teams score 15 more ppg and DRtg is a full 4 points higher.. so assuming kobe scores 35% of his team's points (his 06' level), Kobe would score 5 more ppg today, based on today's teams scoring 15 ppg more than his era

[Keno]

Yes.

[LeCola]

If Westbrook averages triple double stats for next 2 years and make it 5 years in a row would it make him GOAT?

[Smoke117]

He still needs to pass Reggie Miller much less Kobe Bryant.

[SaltyMeatballs]

If Westbrook averages triple double stats for next 2 years and make it 5 years in a row would it make him the GOAT statpadder?
Yes.

[Smook A.]

He still needs to pass Reggie Miller much less Kobe Bryant.
Harden's accomplished more in his last 5 years than Reggie has in his entire career

[Smoke117]

Harden's accomplished more in his last 5 years than Reggie has in his entire career

He has? All those playoff failures and being carried last season by the, supposedly, 2nd best player on the team in the playoffs? If you say so, lad. If you will it, there is no dream. :oldlol:

[Smook A.]

He has? All those playoff failures and being carried last season by the, supposedly, 2nd best player on the team in the playoffs? If you say so, lad.
Gotta look at other things too. Harden in his career already has way more accomplishments. 1x MVP, and has been a runner up twice. Reggie has never cracked the top 10 in MVP votes in his entire 18 years in the NBA. There's more stuff too, but it's not even worth writing it.

[Smoke117]

Gotta look at other things too. Harden in his career already has way more accomplishments. 1x MVP, and has been a runner up twice. Reggie has never cracked the top 10 in MVP votes in his entire 18 years in the NBA. There's more stuff too, but it's not even worth writing it.

Reggie Miller is one of the most overrated players of all time. I was jesting when I said he wasn't better than him. Insulting him. That was the point. :rolleyes: It's not hard to greater all time than Reggie Miller.

[Smook A.]

Reggie Miller is one of the most overrated players of all time. I was jesting when I said he wasn't better than him. Insulting him. That was the point. :rolleyes: It's not hard to greater all time than Reggie Miller.
I agree. He was a good player for sure, but not HOF-level

[TheCorporation]

The rule changes caused league-wide ppg to increase by over 5 points this year, the biggest 1-year change since 1957

DRtg also skyrocketed to a record 110.2, or nearly 2 points higher than any other year

So the rule changes this year cause an asterisk

And compared to Kobe's era, today's teams score 15 more ppg and DRtg is a full 4 points higher.. so assuming kobe scores 35% of his team's points (his 06' level), Kobe would score 5 more ppg today, based on today's teams scoring 15 ppg more than his era

Do you feel that ANY of this hike in scoring has to do with an increase in

-acquiring skilled European talent
-players becoming even more skilled
-players can actually shoot 3s now
-players are more advanced with offensive scoring
-carrying dribbles are called less

Or is it all just because..."rule changes bro"

[TheCorporation]

Reggie Miller is one of the most overrated players of all time. I was jesting when I said he wasn't better than him. Insulting him. That was the point. :rolleyes: It's not hard to greater all time than Reggie Miller.

He stood out in an era where spacing was shit and no one could shoot 3s but him. Most guys were putting guys in WWE headlocks and stunners instead of playing defense in those days and that was considered a "skill."

80s-90s defense

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[TheCorporation]

another landslide consensus :applause:


Indeed my brother :applause: We need to link up on some platform bro, DM here sucks. Send me something! Snap, Kik, whatevs