Ingram vs Tatum

[AirTupac]

Post all star break...

13.5/5.1/2.6 on 43.7% FG, 25% from 3, and 50.7% TS

-3.6 net rating.

2017-2018 post ASB:

15/5/2.1 on 47.7% from the field, and 45.3% from 3. 58% TS, 8.3 net rating.

By comparison, here's a commonly compared player in Brandon Ingram post ASB.

27.8/7.5/2.5 on 57% from the field, 53% from 3. 65.2% TS, -1.8 net rating.



I'M ALWAYS RIGHT RETARDS HAAHAHAHAHAHA:bowdown: :cheers:

[3ball]

Healthy Ingram easily over Tatum, who has yet to find his game.. and I mean easily

Tatum is best as a spot-up shooter, while ingram can do that too, but also has a full-fledged guard handle and can play the primary ball-handler and/or iso role..

Tatum's handle and body type are more mechanical, and it's futile to make him too much more than a spot-up shooter.. he's not a franchise player or even the 2nd best player on a champion

Ingram simply has more capacity to be a more well-rounded, more dominant offensive player

[Real Men Wear Green]

It's kind of unfair to compare Tatum to a guy that doesn't even play. Blood clots aren't Ingram's fault.We can't really compare their postseason stats either. Oh well.

[LeCola]

You should compare him with Ball, not Ingram. They were in same draft year and Lakers chose Ball over him. :oldlol:

Also, if you compare them, don't forget Tatum is playing on a contender team and has 1 year less experience.

[AirTupac]

You should compare him with Ball, not Ingram. They were in same draft year and Lakers chose Ball over him. :oldlol:

Also, if you compare them, don't forget Tatum is playing on a contender team and has 1 year less experience.


Ingrams only 6 months older than Tatum despite being 5x, 10x better? Also he's a better defender NOW than Tatum ever will be...... :facepalm :facepalm

[LeCola]

Ingrams only 6 months older than Tatum despite being 5x, 10x better? Also he's a better defender NOW than Tatum ever will be...... :facepalm :facepalm

He could be 6 months older or even younder. It does not matter. One has 1.5, other has 2.5 years experince in this league.

I think their values are already compared while trade meetings for A.Davis.

[Manny98]

What's Ingrams playoffs stats OP?

[Smoke117]

It's kind of unfair to compare Tatum to a guy that doesn't even play. Blood clots aren't Ingram's fault.We can't really compare their postseason stats either. Oh well.

OP's little fakkot agenda aside, Tatum has been a huge disappointment this season. I don't want to here about roles either, as besides Kyrie, he's the one that's been allowed to do whatever he wants out there on the Celts. What he's wanted to do all season long was take a lot of ill advised moronic mid range iso shots. He's been meh the entire season and it has nothing to do with role.

[LeCola]

Also, I want to ask a question to all who thinks "Ingram is a better defender NOW than Tatum ever will be......"

HOW?

[TheCorporation]

What's Ingrams playoffs stats OP?

:eek:

And just like that the OP goes quiet

[AirTupac]

He could be 6 months older or even younder. It does not matter. One has 1.5, other has 2.5 years experince in this league.

I think their values are already compared while trade meetings for A.Davis.


Okay??? 2nd year Brandon Ingram who was even younger than current Tatum had a better overall season as well.... Where are you going with this??

[AirTupac]

2nd year Ingram (Who was younger than Tatum by 6 months):

16.1/5.3 rebounds / 4 assists on 47% and 39% 3pt


Tatum (who was more offensively polished from the start and 6 months older)

15.9 / 6.2 / 2 on 45% and 35% 3pt


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[AirTupac]

Where are all the stupid retarded fagits who laughed at Brandon Ingram and sucked Tatums garbage cokk up? You stupid fakkits. Never go against AirTupac the GAWD

[dbugz]

0-3

it all that matters :oldlol: :oldlol:

[AirTupac]

> ignore all proof and eye test
> spam something irrelevant respective to players skills
> think you won

:applause:

[superduper]

Bro honestly comparing Ingram to Tatum is just an insult to Ingram. Maybe Tatum will pan out to be a decent 20ppg type borderline allstar scorer maybe he wont but Ingram is going to be a legit franchise cornerstone player. Dude is talented as hell and the Bran stans insulting him know nothing about the game.

[Kblaze8855]

Post all star break? You are talking about 6 games. 4 of which they lost. Tatum put up 24 a game on 53% shooting over 5 games...that were a playoff series...his team won.

Does either of those things really matter big picture wise?

[AirTupac]

Gordon Hayward has scored 25+ points more than Tatum this season and Hayward has been trash tier. :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Kblaze8855]

Hayward takes under 9 shots a game. 7.5 in march. When hes taking a little more than half the shots he took in Utah isnt he supposed to score about half as much?

I dont get what people think is supposed to happen in this situation.

He should shoot half as much and score the same?

[TheCorporation]

Tatum led a very GREEN 2018 Celtics squad DEEP into the playoffs. His team beat the Bucks, 76ers, and would have been in the Finals if LeBron didn't go into god mode for game 7 with a 35-15-9 on 50% performance.

Tatum was still putting up 24-7 on 53% in that game 7 of the ECF and for the duration of the 2018 playoffs Tatum lead his team in scoring.

Ingram could never do such a thing, the guy just doesn't have it.


EDIT: AND HE'S ONLY TWENTY YEARS OLD :D

[AirTupac]

1 playoff series aside... talk about Tatums 2 years of production :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[TheCorporation]

Hayward takes under 9 shots a game. 7.5 in march. When hes taking a little more than half the shots he took in Utah isnt he supposed to score about half as much?

I dont get what people think is supposed to happen in this situation.

He should shoot half as much and score the same?

It would appear as if some kids have failed math. I blame the poor American education system (assuming most of our users are from the good ol U.S. of A.)

[TheCorporation]

Bro honestly comparing Ingram to Tatum is just an insult to Ingram. Maybe Tatum will pan out to be a decent 20ppg type borderline allstar scorer maybe he wont but Ingram is going to be a legit franchise cornerstone player. Dude is talented as hell and the Bran stans insulting him know nothing about the game.

See, this is the crazy 3ball shit I'm talking about. 3ball said Ingram was BETTER than Pippen :lol

Imagine loving MJ so much you'd dog your 21/8/8 3-peat hero who plays elite defense just to bring LeBron down :facepalm

[Jameerthefear]

Another failed thread by this loser :oldlol: I didn't even have to come in here and rake my balls across his face like I usually do.

[AirTupac]

So a 2nd year Ingram (who was younger) had a better season than current Tatum and these are your retorts? :roll: :roll: :roll: WIN

[Kblaze8855]

1 playoff series aside... talk about Tatums 2 years of production :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm


1 playoff series aside?

You literally just started a topic on 6 regular seasons games his team went 2-4 in.

These guys might be in the NBA till 2036. Its safe to say little that has happened so far writes the book on either. You have made 46 topics on players who when its all said and done...may have nobody even remember anything that happened in these seasons. Tell me...whens the last time anyone brought up what Reggie Miller was doing in 88-89? Nobody ends up giving a **** about this portion of anyones career.

It will be 5 years before these guys are even in their primes. What are you doing with all this?

Got us looking at 5-6 game "runs" like we dont have 15 years to see how it goes....

[superduper]

See, this is the crazy 3ball shit I'm talking about. 3ball said Ingram was BETTER than Pippen :lol

Imagine loving MJ so much you'd dog your 21/8/8 3-peat hero who plays elite defense just to bring LeBron down :facepalm

What the FK are you talking about, where did I mention Pippen.

You are losing your damn mind dude :roll:

I get it, your hero is getting hard exposed and still has 3 years left but my god you are straight losing it

[TheCorporation]

Another failed thread by this loser :oldlol: I didn't even have to come in here and rake my balls across his face like I usually do.


:roll: :roll:

2ez

And I know he'll ignore my post as well

[AirTupac]

1 playoff series aside?

You literally just started a topic on 6 regular seasons games his team went 2-4 in.

These guys might be in the NBA till 2036. Its safe to say little that has happened so far writes the book on either. You have made 46 topics on players who when its all said and done...may have nobody even remember anything that happened in these seasons. Tell me...whens the last time anyone brought up what Reggie Miller was doing in 88-89? Nobody ends up giving a **** about this portion of anyones career.

It will be 5 years before these guys are even in their primes. What are you doing with all this?

Got us looking at 5-6 game "runs" like we dont have 15 years to see how it goes....


I just compared their entire 2nd seasons you doofus while Ingram was 6 months younger than Tatum. Ingram (despite being touted to take a few years to develop offensively) was shooting much better both in FG and 3pt AND scoring more. While also being a better defender. Tatum gets his shots up on this team. I dont know why people keep using that dumbass excuse.

[TheCorporation]

What the FK are you talking about, where did I mention Pippen.

You are losing your damn mind dude :roll:

I get it, your hero is getting hard exposed and still has 3 years left but my god you are straight losing it

Okay then who is better, Ingram or Pippen? Who would you rather have?

[dbugz]

> ignore all proof and eye test
> spam something irrelevant respective to players skills
> think you won

:applause:


again "0" playoffs appearance means empty stat. Can't lead a team and can't be a good 2nd fiddle player to a superstar.

4th best players in a team at best. :oldlol:

[Gus Hemmingway]

Another failed thread by this loser :oldlol: I didn't even have to come in here and rake my balls across his face like I usually do.
:roll:

[AirTupac]

But Tatum is averaging 13 points post allstar break on a team that wouldnt make playoffs in the West..... :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

So he cant even put up good stats on a bad team? Good job. Tatum is great.

[r0drig0lac]

there is absolutely nothing that Tatum is better than Ingram

[AirTupac]

there is absolutely nothing that Tatum is better than Ingram

Thats true too. Tatum was touted for having an elite mid range game... Uhh have you seen BI's explosion after January? Dude is shooting 60% from FG this season.

[superduper]

there is absolutely nothing that Tatum is better than Ingram

Agreed. He has become incredibly over rated.

I don't have anything against the kid, but he is not better than Ingram.

[dbugz]

But Tatum is averaging 13 points post allstar break on a team that wouldnt make playoffs in the West..... :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

So he cant even put up good stats on a bad team? Good job. Tatum is great.

Ingram averaging more FGA and MPG
Ingram is 54th when it comes to touches while Tatum is at 131st.
Celtics is loaded with wing players

You do the math fa6g0t :oldlol:

[AirTupac]

Ingram averaging more FGA and MPG
Ingram is 54th when it comes to touches while Tatum is at 131st.
Celtics is loaded with wing players

You do the math fa6g0t :oldlol:


I have.... Tatum is having a worse season than 2nd year BI (who was 6 months younger) by all accounts --- including FG and 3pt % and points scored and defense.... So pretty much every available basketball metric.

[Kblaze8855]

I just compared their entire 2nd seasons you doofus while Ingram was 6 months younger than Tatum. Ingram (despite being touted to take a few years to develop offensively) was shooting much better both in FG and 3pt AND scoring more. While also being a better defender. Tatum gets his shots up on this team. I dont know why people keep using that dumbass excuse.


Tatum has taken 20 shots once this season. Hardly a representation of what he would or wouldnt do on a team he was asked to lead....which is why I said....we have 15 years to figure it out. You are gonna be talking this shit for 4-5 more years...and NEITHER of them will be in their primes yet.

James Harden put up 10 points on 37% shooting after the all star break at their age. It was 3 years before he had a shot to show what he could do given the reigns....6 years till he was elite....and a full 9 years later hes still apparently getting better.

The only thing either of them has done anyone is even gonna remember happening is last years Celtics run without Kyrie. And even that...not that much.

Neither of them are at a legacy building point of their careers. No reasons to be talking up 5-6 games here and there like it matters. Tatum led his team to playoff series wins and that doesnt matter like...that much.

[dbugz]

I have.... Tatum is having a worse season than 2nd year BI (who was 6 months younger) by all accounts --- including FG and 3pt % and points scored and defense.... So pretty much every available basketball metric.

by what? effin .2 points? are we really going to argue that?

again perfect playoffs appearance + played like a superstar last playoffs is all that matters :oldlol:

Ingram can have his .1 differential forever if that's what will make you happy :oldlol: :oldlol:

[AirTupac]

by what? effin .2 points? are we really going to argue that?

again perfect playoffs appearance + played like a superstar last playoffs is all that matters :oldlol:

Ingram can have his .1 differential forever if that's what will make you happy :oldlol: :oldlol:


Why do you ignore everything else? 49% FG... 39% 3pt..... 4 assists..... better defender.....

???? Are you that retarded

[LeCola]

Okay??? 2nd year Brandon Ingram who was even younger than current Tatum had a better overall season as well.... Where are you going with this??

Are you a Lebron stan or Westbrook stan? How can you say Ingram performs better whit using stats which Ingram is only barely better on..

Tatum plays in a contender team with a limited role. Ingram plays in a lottery team with an unlimited role.

If you replace them, Tatum would have stats like 23/8/4 on that Lakers.

[AirTupac]

Are you a Lebron stan or Westbrook stan? How can you say Ingram performs better whit using stats which Ingram is only barely better on..

Tatum plays in a contender team with a limited role. Ingram plays in a lottery team with an unlimited role.

If you replace them, Tatum would have stats like 23/8/4 on that Lakers.

LOL except Tatum gets to do what he wants and has been trying to eat himself and can't do better than 15/6/2? on subpar percentages? On a similarly ranked team? Youre an idiot.

Yeah I'm sure a guy going from 13 points on 44% post allstar break can drop 23/8/4 allstar numbers on a different team.... So fuking retarded :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[dbugz]

Why do you ignore everything else? 49% FG... 39% 3pt..... 4 assists..... better defender.....

???? Are you that retarded


Are we going to nitpick stats now?

why keep ignoring mpg? fga? # of touches?

Who's the better rebounder? who's the better shot blocker? who is more turnover prone?

Just trolling the troll here :oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

Tatum led a very GREEN 2018 Celtics squad DEEP into the playoffs. His team beat the Bucks, 76ers, and would have been in the Finals if LeBron didn't go into god mode for game 7 with a 35-15-9 on 50% performance.

Tatum was still putting up 24-7 on 53% in that game 7 of the ECF and for the duration of the 2018 playoffs Tatum lead his team in scoring.

Ingram could never do such a thing, the guy just doesn't have it.


EDIT: AND HE'S ONLY TWENTY YEARS OLD :D

Tupac...?

[AirTupac]

Are we going to nitpick stats now?

why keep ignoring mpg? fga? # of touches?

Who's the better rebounder? who's the better shot blocker? who is more turnover prone?

Just trolling the troll here


Then why isn't he doing better than a 2nd year Ingram who was also younger? :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

45% FG for an offensive phenom :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[TheCorporation]

1 playoff series aside?

You literally just started a topic on 6 regular seasons games his team went 2-4 in.

These guys might be in the NBA till 2036. Its safe to say little that has happened so far writes the book on either. You have made 46 topics on players who when its all said and done...may have nobody even remember anything that happened in these seasons. Tell me...whens the last time anyone brought up what Reggie Miller was doing in 88-89? Nobody ends up giving a **** about this portion of anyones career.

It will be 5 years before these guys are even in their primes. What are you doing with all this?

Got us looking at 5-6 game "runs" like we dont have 15 years to see how it goes....

KBlaze torched his ass like

https://i.imgur.com/VPXJI79.gif

[dbugz]

Then why isn't he doing better than a 2nd year Ingram who was also younger?

45% FG for an offensive phenom


and your definition of "better" is what? .2 differential on points?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

why ingram is still 0/3 even with lebron on his side already? :roll:

[TheCorporation]

Then why isn't he doing better than a 2nd year Ingram who was also younger? :oldlol: :oldlol:

45% FG for an offensive phenom :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Well, that part's because he trained with Kobe :roll: :roll:

[AirTupac]

and your definition of "better" is what? .2 differential on points?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

why ingram is still 0/3 even with lebron on his side already? :roll:


Did you forget? Brandon also had him beat on FG%, 3pt %, points, assists, defense and he was 6 months younger.... :facepalm

[superduper]

Well, that part's because he trained with Kobe :roll: :roll:

Didn't Giannis also train with Kobe?

[AirTupac]

Didn't Giannis also train with Kobe?


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Giannis came 2 hours early and brought a notebook to write notes down and now he's MVP

[dbugz]

Did you forget? Brandon also had him beat on FG%, 3pt %,
points, assists, defense and he was 6 months younger....

keep bringing that stat that you nitpick and ignoring mine,

enjoy your .2 differential on all stat if that will make you happy :roll:

We going to the playoffs :pimp: :rockon:

While ingram is still 0/3 :roll: *even with LeBron.

Goodluck future pelican fan :roll: once happened, Ingram aint gonna taste how it feels like to play in the playoffs :oldlol: what a loser.

[TheCorporation]

Didn't Giannis also train with Kobe?

Who is your top 5 and where do you rank LeBron you coward

[AirTupac]

keep bringing that stat that you nitpick and ignoring mine,

enjoy your .2 differential on all stat if that will make you happy

We going to the playoffs :

While ingram is still 0/3 :roll: *even with LeBron.

Goodluck future pelican fan :roll: once happened, Ingram aint gonna taste how it feels like to play in the playoffs :oldlol: what a loser.

How am I ignoring it? Yes Ingram scored more points than this year's Tatum by .2 and at 49% instead of below average 45% :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: God this kid is retarded as shit

[superduper]

Who is your top 5 and where do you rank LeBron you coward

I'm 3ball dumbass :mad:

And I'm sorry you got hard ethered in that other thread.

[LeCola]

LOL except Tatum gets to do what he wants and has been trying to eat himself and can't do better than 15/6/2? on subpar percentages? On a similarly ranked team? Youre an idiot.

Yeah I'm sure a guy going from 13 points on 44% post allstar break can drop 23/8/4 allstar numbers on a different team.... So fuking retarded :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You called me I am stupid right after saying Lakers and Celtics are similarly ranked.:applause:

Sorry, it is not your fault having 80 iq. I just pity your genes. :rolleyes:

[TheCorporation]

I'm 3ball dumbass :mad:

And I'm sorry you got hard ethered in that other thread.

It's all good, I'm also Manny :cheers:

And I never get ethered hard in any thread. Ever.

[insidehoops]

Ingram vs Tatum will be interesting to watch for years

[LAmbruh]

How are the Pels doing

[AirTupac]

How are the Pels doing


Bro at least bump up my embarrassing threads. All these bumps are justifying my posts. Ingram is better than Tatum and Brown. Thats universal now.

[LAmbruh]

Bro at least bump up my embarrassing threads. All these bumps are justifying my posts. Ingram is better than Tatum and Brown. Thats universal now.
your Pels bro


how the Pels doing

[AirTupac]

your Pels bro


how the Pels doing

Cavs fan over here telling a Laker fan of +20 years something :applause: :applause: :applause:

[LAmbruh]

The Pels

[Wally450]

Why are Tatum and Jaylen flourishing on their first team while Ingram leads his 2nd team into the lottery?

[AirTupac]

Why are Tatum and Jaylen flourishing on their first team while Ingram leads his 2nd team into the lottery?


Ingram on Boston would be a heavy weight title contenders if you replaced him with 20 ppg Tatum :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Shogon]

Ingram on Boston would be a heavy weight title contenders if you replaced him with 20 ppg Tatum :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Tatum is a better player to have on your team than Ingram.

Ingram has one of the worst attitudes in the entire league. If you think that is meaningless, you haven't the slightest concept of team dynamics.

[AirTupac]

Tatum is a better player to have on your team than Ingram.

Ingram has one of the worst attitudes in the entire league. If you think that is meaningless, you haven't the slightest concept of team dynamics.

Worst attitudes lmfao

LeBron often commented on his great work ethic and still keeps in touch with him

Rondo does the same thing.

All coaches raved about BI. His teammates love him.


BI better than Tatum in every metric including what Tatum was supposed to be good at.


Next

[Shogon]

Worst attitudes lmfao

LeBron often commented on his great work ethic and still keeps in touch with him

Rondo does the same thing.

All coaches raved about BI. His teammates love him.


BI better than Tatum in every metric including what Tatum was supposed to be good at.


Next

I never said anything about his work ethic.

Ingram would visibly pout and disengage last year when LeBron would dribble the ball too much for Ingram's liking. It happened multiple times.

His attitude is absolute dog shit and he can have all the talent in the world but he's not a winner because of what's going on inside his head.

[AirTupac]

Love when Bron stans start making up things for their arguments. Instant sign of loss.

[Smoke117]

Ingram on Boston would be a heavy weight title contenders if you replaced him with 20 ppg Tatum :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Putting up numbers on one of the worst teams in the league doesn't really mean anything. Hit is up when Ingram is putting up numbers on a winning team. I actually agree Ingram is better than Tatum, though. Tatum annoys me, frankly. He chucks away and leads the Celts in shots per game when he really hasn't earned that right. He is by far the least efficient scorer of the big four, but for some reason is tied with Kemba for the teams high in usage rate. I'd like to see his shots drop to around 16 per game when Hayward is back. He does play really good defense, though.

[bladefd]

I never said anything about his work ethic.

Ingram would visibly pout and disengage last year when LeBron would dribble the ball too much for Ingram's liking. It happened multiple times.

His attitude is absolute dog shit and he can have all the talent in the world but he's not a winner because of what's going on inside his head.

There is only one thing you can criticize Ingram for and that's not it. That one thing is Ingram fell asleep at the wheel too often and stood around in those moments half asleep.

[dbugz]

Putting up numbers on one of the worst teams in the league doesn't really mean anything. Hit is up when Ingram is putting up numbers on a winning team. I actually agree Ingram is better than Tatum, though. Tatum annoys me, frankly. He chucks away and leads the Celts in shots per game when he really hasn't earned that right. He is by far the least efficient scorer of the big four, but for some reason is tied with Kemba for the teams high in usage rate. I'd like to see his shots drop to around 16 per game when Hayward is back. He does play really good defense, though.

Same thing here.

Not really a fan of his shot selections especially those mid range shots that are step away from the three point line. Hate it especially when he do step backs. :facepalm

Remind me of KG's mid range Js wer he's always a foot away from the 3 point line.

Would love to see him more on the post. Need to bulk up though.

[theballerFKA Ace]

Why are we still having this conversation? YDK has left Tatum in his dust.

BI has improved in almost every statistical category every year he's been in the league. It's obvious he's destined for greatness. Tatum has stagnated on everything but ppg, but who wants 20ppg when it's at 41% efficiency? Tatum has been on a better team, that's about it.

[AirTupac]

Why are we still having this conversation? YDK has left Tatum in his dust.

BI has improved in almost every statistical category every year he's been in the league. It's obvious he's destined for greatness. Tatum has stagnated on everything but ppg, but who wants 20ppg when it's at 41% efficiency? Tatum has been on a better team, that's about it.


Guys are bumping it for some reason. I dont know why considering Tatum is having a mediocre season on a great team. It happened after last game where Tatum and Brown had good games so I guess they thought this would show BI stans :oldlol:

[Smoke117]

Same thing here.

Not really a fan of his shot selections especially those mid range shots that are step away from the three point line. Hate it especially when he do step backs. :facepalm

Remind me of KG's mid range Js wer he's always a foot away from the 3 point line.

Would love to see him more on the post. Need to bulk up though.

It's almost like he makes shots harder than they have to be. There is no need to play so much hero ball on this team. He could learn a lot from Hayward if he was willing. The way he plays within the offense and doesn't force anything and is always trying to make the good play for the TEAM and not just himself.

[JohnnySic]

Tatum isn't shooting that many mid range shots this year. Its OK if he takes some. His main issue right now is finishing at the rim. All those reaching layups he attempts, gotta make those.

And btw, am I the only one underwhelmed by Ingram? I'm not hating on him, I have no reason to. He's not even a Laker anymore. But every time I watch him I feel "meh". He has some talent, but it just seems like he's putting up stats on bad teams. The definitive empty stats bro. He doesn't have that "wow" factor. Compared to say, someone like Pascal Siakam, who has been quite impressive, I just dont get that impression from Ingram.

PS - there is not, and never has been, a Tatum vs Ingram debate. Has anyone ever seen that presented anywhere except on here? I haven't. That's all I need to say about it. That clickbait idiot will show up for sure but I'm not replying.

[AirTupac]

Tatum isn't shooting that many mid range shots this year. Its OK if he takes some. His main issue right now is finishing at the rim. All those reaching layups he attempts, gotta make those.

And btw, am I the only one underwhelmed by Ingram? I'm not hating on him, I have no reason to. He's not even a Laker anymore. But every time I watch him I feel "meh". He has some talent, but it just seems like he's putting up stats on bad teams. The definitive empty stats bro. He doesn't have that "wow" factor. Compared to say, someone like Pascal Siakam, who has been quite impressive, I just dont get that impression from Ingram.

PS - there is not, and never has been, a Tatum vs Ingram debate. Has anyone ever seen that presented anywhere except on here? I haven't. That's all I need to say about it. That clickbait idiot will show up for sure but I'm not replying.

You've cleared the missed the 5-6 games where Ingram willed the Pelicans from a 20 point deficit in the 4th going into another zone. and Lol @ Pascal. The guy is 3 or 4 years older than Ingram. Im sure your 20 mins of watching Ingram justify your reaction.

[AirBonner]

Bump. Ingram last 10 games: 21/4/6
Tatum: 29/3/7 :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

[bobopenguin]

Bump. Ingram last 10 games: 21/4/6
Tatum: 29/3/7

cant wait for tatum to come to lakers :applause:

[Real Men Wear Green]

Ingram is a good young player and doesn't deserve to catch hate just because one of his fans has an insane obsession with the best young two-way player in the game.
cant wait for tatum to come to lakers :applause:by the time that could possibly happen James will be retired and AD will be on the decline. Tatum will not leave a contending team as part of the best wing duo in the league to join a rebuilding project. It's more likely that AD leaves LA to go ring chasing.

I write all that thinking in terms of 2025 or whenever Tatum's max extention runs out...but it could almost all be true by the end of next season. LA is not built to last.

[Lebron23]

Give me Tatum this year. He led the Celtics to a 3rd seed in the East.

[Axe]

Tatum plays for a much better team

[Wally450]

Tatum and its not even close.

[Stanley Kobrick]

:milton

[dbugz]

just witnessed tatum carried celtics to the ecf while ingraham still dreaming about playing in the playoffs :roll:

[CelticBaller]

Ingraham did win the most improved player tho

[Real Men Wear Green]

The Most Improved Player award is very impressive.

[Stanley Kobrick]

1 playoff series aside... talk about Tatums 2 years of production :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
he had an iconic playoff game 7 tonight

[GrayGoat]

Ingraham still has no playoff games lolol

[And1AllDay]

What's Ingrams playoffs stats OP?


:eek:

And just like that the OP goes quiet

:roll:

[Penetrator]

Ingram needs to go east, maybe the knicks could offer him super max ?

Needs to get away from that loser franchise New Orleans.

[k 96]

Brandon Ingram = Future Hall of Famer

[TheCorporation]

Ingraham still has no playoff games lolol

:lol
op Ruined

[bison]

Put Ingram on the Celtics instead of Tatum but keep all his same stats, this forum would be sucking his long thin ****

[NBAGOAT]

Put Ingram on the Celtics instead of Tatum but keep all his same stats, this forum would be sucking his long thin ****

Tatum and Ingram have similar stats but tatums defense is a lot better, that just makes Tatum easily better. yea he be sucked off but Boston wouldn’t be as good(likely don’t beat Toronto)

Don’t think Stevens would be so willing to let Ingram be the main scorer over kemba either like he has with Tatum so his stats would drop off too

[LeCola]

I can bet on he still thinks same about them.

:oldlol:

[tanibanana]

:roll: Ingram :roll:

[ImKobe]

Tatum only averaged 2.6 more ppg than Ingram this season while having a green light and more minutes.

BI - 23.8 ppg 58.4%TS
Tatum - 26.4 ppg 57.6%TS

Ingram's much better from mid-range and is just as good of a FT shooter.
Ingram also gets to the line at the same rate. 5.2 FTA to Tatum's 5.3. Ingram averages 4.9 assists to 2.5 TOs, Tatum 4.3 ast to 2.7 TOs.

Boston's 34-30 with Tatum this season, Pelicans were 29-31 with BI. Not that much of a difference, Pels have the worse roster & coaching staff

They're pretty damn even for me. Tatum's playing for one of the GOAT franchises with multiple star teammates while BI is stuck in purgatory on terrible defensive teams with questionable pieces on of the offense end. He has two bigs who can't shoot playing at the same time, a point guard in Lonzo who can't finish at the rim and a WalMart version of Westbrook in Eric Bledsoe.

[dbugz]

Ingraham still dreaming about being in the playoffs :roll: :roll:

[LAmbruh]

:roll: Ingram :roll:


Ingraham still dreaming about being in the playoffs :roll: :roll:
:roll:

[ShawkFactory]

Tatum only averaged 2.6 more ppg than Ingram this season while having a green light and more minutes.

BI - 23.8 ppg 58.4%TS
Tatum - 26.4 ppg 57.6%TS

Ingram's much better from mid-range and is just as good of a FT shooter.
Ingram also gets to the line at the same rate. 5.2 FTA to Tatum's 5.3. Ingram averages 4.9 assists to 2.5 TOs, Tatum 4.3 ast to 2.7 TOs.

Boston's 34-30 with Tatum this season, Pelicans were 29-31 with BI. Not that much of a difference, Pels have the worse roster & coaching staff

They're pretty damn even for me. Tatum's playing for one of the GOAT franchises with multiple star teammates while BI is stuck in purgatory on terrible defensive teams with questionable pieces on of the offense end. He has two bigs who can't shoot playing at the same time, a point guard in Lonzo who can't finish at the rim and a WalMart version of Westbrook in Eric Bledsoe.
Completely ignored the defensive end. Tatum will match up with a teams best offensive player. Ingram won’t.

There also seems to be an intangibles issue with Ingram. He’ll be traded I think.

[tontoz]

In Tatum's defense he got covid this year and struggled to get over it. Apparently he started using an inhaler and he doesn't have asthma.

[AirBonner]

In Tatum's defense he got covid this year and struggled to get over it. Apparently he started using an inhaler and he doesn't have asthma.

Yep and in Ingraham’s defense he has one of the greatest young player we have ever seen. As well as not getting covid

[ImKobe]

Completely ignored the defensive end. Tatum will match up with a teams best offensive player. Ingram won’t.

There also seems to be an intangibles issue with Ingram. He’ll be traded I think.

Ingram can defend though, it's the Pels' team defense that's the issue. NO would be stupid to trade him, he's one of the best young players in the league. Not his fault that they replaced Jrue and Favors (two great defenders) with Bledsoe & Adams. Josh Hart missed the last 25 games of the season as well.

[ShawkFactory]

Ingram can defend though, it's the Pels' team defense that's the issue. NO would be stupid to trade him, he's one of the best young players in the league. Not his fault that they replaced Jrue and Favors (two great defenders) with Bledsoe & Adams. Josh Hart missed the last 25 games of the season as well.

He’s not really special though. And again...he seems to have intangibles issues. The Pels kind of remind me of the early 2010s Thunder in that Westbrook (Ingram) usually takes the ball down the stretch when it should be going to Durant (Zion).

Zion is clearly superior but Ingram seems to need his shots.

[LeCola]

Tatum only averaged 2.6 more ppg than Ingram this season while having a green light and more minutes.

BI - 23.8 ppg 58.4%TS
Tatum - 26.4 ppg 57.6%TS

Ingram's much better from mid-range and is just as good of a FT shooter.
Ingram also gets to the line at the same rate. 5.2 FTA to Tatum's 5.3. Ingram averages 4.9 assists to 2.5 TOs, Tatum 4.3 ast to 2.7 TOs.

Boston's 34-30 with Tatum this season, Pelicans were 29-31 with BI. Not that much of a difference, Pels have the worse roster & coaching staff

They're pretty damn even for me. Tatum's playing for one of the GOAT franchises with multiple star teammates while BI is stuck in purgatory on terrible defensive teams with questionable pieces on of the offense end. He has two bigs who can't shoot playing at the same time, a point guard in Lonzo who can't finish at the rim and a WalMart version of Westbrook in Eric Bledsoe.

Ingram is drafted by Lakers, which is also one of the GOAT franchises. He played with Lebron in his last season on Lakers and still missed playoffs.

Ingram played 5 seasons, Tatum played 4.

Tatum attended playoffs all seasons he played. He already has 45 playoff games. He has been his team's first option for two years. So, he led his team to playoffs two times as the first option. Yesterday he carried his team to playoffs while scoring 50 in the play-in game. Last year, he led his team to ECF with averaging 25.7/10.0/5.0 (2019-20 Playoff stats!).

On the other hand, Ingram is not even the first option of his team and still missing playoffs. Ingram has 0 playoff games.

[LeCola]

Tatum (4 seasons):
-2x Allstar
-1x all-Nba
-1x MVP Award Shares
-45 playoff games

Ingram (5 seasons):
-1x Allstar

[1987_Lakers]

Tatum is a very good defender, give me to two way player.

[ImKobe]

Ingram is drafted by Lakers, which is also one of the GOAT franchises. He played with Lebron in his last season on Lakers and still missed playoffs.

Ingram played 5 seasons, Tatum played 4.

Tatum attended playoffs all seasons he played. He already has 45 playoff games. He has been his team's first option for two years. So, he led his team to playoffs two times as the first option. Yesterday he carried his team to playoffs while scoring 50 in the play-in game. Last year, he led his team to ECF with averaging 25.7/10.0/5.0 (2019-20 Playoff stats!).

On the other hand, Ingram is not even the first option of his team and still missing playoffs. Ingram has 0 playoff games.

Ingram was lighting it up for the Lakers before he had to sit out the rest of the season, and they missed the Playoffs as a result.

Tatum was drafted to a team that already made the ECF a year before, a team that had vets and a great coaching staff, it's a completely different situation. Ingram wasn't as good off the bat as Tatum, but he also came in as a 19 y.o and played on a team where Lou Will and Clarkson were their 2 best scoring options, so to hold it against him because he missed the Playoffs due to playing on much worse teams, where guys constantly got injured (him included) is not something I'd put as much stock into this early in his career.

As far as their play goes, Tatum and Ingram are putting up the same numbers. JT has had more opportunities to shine this year while BI had to take a step back. I don't think it's BI that's the issue in their crunch time offense either, it should fall on the coach for not drawing up plays to get Zion a high-percentage look in crunch time, and they are a bit easier to guard because neither Adams nor Zion can stretch the floor.

Celtics and Pelicans both underachieved this year, neither JT nor BI had a great season by any means, Celtics fell down 20+ points in like 15 games and were behind by double-digits in half of all their games and blew close ones as well, JT has shot his team out of many games too, Playoffs included.

Both are improving with each season and their overall production is really close, despite Tatum playing on the better team with better coaching. Pels were 2 - 0 against Boston this season, they had similar numbers against each other too.

I'm saying there isn't an official ruling yet on which guy is actually better. Tatum's in the better situation right now, but it's too early to call.

[Airupthere]

Tatum has been treated as the golden boy of the celtics since day one. Ingram has not gotten the same opportunities and even had to get hampered with the arrival of lebron to the LAL.

[LeCola]

Ingram was lighting it up for the Lakers before he had to sit out the rest of the season, and they missed the Playoffs as a result.

Tatum was drafted to a team that already made the ECF a year before, a team that had vets and a great coaching staff, it's a completely different situation. Ingram wasn't as good off the bat as Tatum, but he also came in as a 19 y.o and played on a team where Lou Will and Clarkson were their 2 best scoring options, so to hold it against him because he missed the Playoffs due to playing on much worse teams, where guys constantly got injured (him included) is not something I'd put as much stock into this early in his career.

As far as their play goes, Tatum and Ingram are putting up the same numbers. JT has had more opportunities to shine this year while BI had to take a step back. I don't think it's BI that's the issue in their crunch time offense either, it should fall on the coach for not drawing up plays to get Zion a high-percentage look in crunch time, and they are a bit easier to guard because neither Adams nor Zion can stretch the floor.

Celtics and Pelicans both underachieved this year, neither JT nor BI had a great season by any means, Celtics fell down 20+ points in like 15 games and were behind by double-digits in half of all their games and blew close ones as well, JT has shot his team out of many games too, Playoffs included.

Both are improving with each season and their overall production is really close, despite Tatum playing on the better team with better coaching. Pels were 2 - 0 against Boston this season, they had similar numbers against each other too.

I'm saying there isn't an official ruling yet on which guy is actually better. Tatum's in the better situation right now, but it's too early to call.

You confess that Ingram couldn't outscore Clarkson and Lou. He failed to become the first option on Lakers. He also couldn't become a "good" 2nd option teammate for Lebron and they missed playoffs in his third season. In his 4th season, he is traded with 2 other players and 3 first round picks for a 2nd option teammate for Lebron.

Tatum played with Kyrie, Horford, Hayward, Brown, Kemba... But he outscored all of that guys and gained the first option in his third season. Then he led his team to ECF as the first option.

If we talk with excuses, did you ever think what would happen if Lakers drafted Tatum? I think;

He would become fist option of Lakers and they would built a team around him.

Or worst-case scenario:

He would become a "good" 2nd option teammate for Lebron and they would not have to trade Davis.

[ImKobe]

You confess that Ingram couldn't outscore Clarkson and Lou. He failed to become the first option on Lakers. He also couldn't become a "good" 2nd option teammate for Lebron and they missed playoffs in his third season. In his 4th season, he is traded with 2 other players and 3 first round picks for a 2nd option teammate for Lebron.

Tatum played with Kyrie, Horford, Hayward, Brown, Kemba... But he outscored all of that guys and gained the first option in his third season. Then he led his team to ECF as the first option.

If we talk with excuses, did you ever think what would happen if Lakers drafted Tatum? I think;

He would become fist option of Lakers and they would built a team around him.

Or worst-case scenario:

He would become a "good" 2nd option teammate for Lebron and they would not have to trade Davis.

I wouldn't say that he failed. He came into the league as a prospect, his shot and his overall game is night & day from what it was in LA. The jump he made once he got traded is one of the best that I've seen, he's pretty much an elite shooter now, and he's efficient at the rim and a good scorer in the post and has the ability to run an offense. Either Bledsoe or Ball has to go, just too many guys who demand the ball on that team.

He didn't outscore all of them, he was a 2nd option to Kyrie. He wasn't a legitimate first option in 2018. Him, Rozier & Brown basically took the same amount of shots, though he got to the line more and played a couple more minutes, but him and Brown were 1a/1b and Terry was right behind them as well. That team had 4 guys averaging 15-18.5 ppg.

He wouldn't have been the #1 option right away, that team had Clarkson & Randle, they weren't trying to pass the ball lmao. Lebron would have shipped his ass for Davis in a heartbeat, you can't be serious. Bron doesn't like young players that need years to develop.

[LeCola]

I wouldn't say that he failed. He came into the league as a prospect, his shot and his overall game is night & day from what it was in LA. The jump he made once he got traded is one of the best that I've seen, he's pretty much an elite shooter now, and he's efficient at the rim and a good scorer in the post and has the ability to run an offense. Either Bledsoe or Ball has to go, just too many guys who demand the ball on that team.

He didn't outscore all of them, he was a 2nd option to Kyrie. He wasn't a legitimate first option in 2018. Him, Rozier & Brown basically took the same amount of shots, though he got to the line more and played a couple more minutes, but him and Brown were 1a/1b and Terry was right behind them as well. That team had 4 guys averaging 15-18.5 ppg.

He wouldn't have been the #1 option right away, that team had Clarkson & Randle, they weren't trying to pass the ball lmao. Lebron would have shipped his ass for Davis in a heartbeat, you can't be serious. Bron doesn't like young players that need years to develop.

I agree with that but Tatum is not that guy.

In his rookie season:

He played ECF with his team and lost 3-4 against Cavs which is a team that was going to play 4th consecutive Finals.

He started all games in playoffs.

He was 1st on points per game, 2nd on minutes per game during playoffs.

[ImKobe]

I agree with that but Tatum is not that guy.

In his rookie season:

He played ECF with his team and lost 3-4 against Cavs which is a team that was going to play 4th consecutive Finals.

He started all games in playoffs.

He was 1st on points per game, 2nd on minutes per game during playoffs.

Nowhere near as good as Davis though, you'd give up Tatum and Ball to win right away with AD. Lebron didn't even give Wiggins a chance, had him traded for K.Love immediately. Don't see how it would be any different with JT.

[LeCola]

Nowhere near as good as Davis though, you'd give up Tatum and Ball to win right away with AD. Lebron didn't even give Wiggins a chance, had him traded for K.Love immediately. Don't see how it would be any different with JT.

Last year, Pelicans wanted Tatum for Davis. Celtics refused it. Then they traded Davis for Ingram, Ball, Hart, 4th pick and 2 future first round picks.

When Lebron signed Lakers, it was Ingram's third year, Tatum's second year. It was after Tatum's playoff run as 1st PPG, 2nd MPG in Celtics.

[LeCola]

Tatum carries his team to win against the great Nets in his 48th playoff game.

50 points 7 assists 6 rebounds 2 steals 1 block 1 turnover 16-30 FG 13-15 FT :bowdown:

[RRR3]

Yeah no one thinks this is a debate anymore.

[LAmbruh]

:roll:

[8Ball]

Healthy Ingram easily over Tatum, who has yet to find his game.. and I mean easily

Tatum is best as a spot-up shooter, while ingram can do that too, but also has a full-fledged guard handle and can play the primary ball-handler and/or iso role..

Tatum's handle and body type are more mechanical, and it's futile to make him too much more than a spot-up shooter.. he's not a franchise player or even the 2nd best player on a champion

Ingram simply has more capacity to be a more well-rounded, more dominant offensive player

:roll:

[LeCola]

> ignore all proof and eye test
> spam something irrelevant respective to players skills
> think you won

:applause:



Ingrams only 6 months older than Tatum despite being 5x, 10x better? Also he's a better defender NOW than Tatum ever will be...... :facepalm



I'M ALWAYS RIGHT RETARDS HAAHAHAHAHAHA:bowdown: :cheers:

https://i.ibb.co/CbFwBky/5-A3-C82-EFC737-BE4-F325611-A1-BB51-D9660-F3-C999-A.gif

[Bronbron23]

Can't believe some actually said Ingram over tatum. Don't even need stats for this one. The eye test clearly says tatum is better. So many people on here who don't know the game. Probably the people who were saying D'Angelo russell was a star a few years back:facepalm

[PeroAntic]

Time to bump this. Final verdict: they're the same, low tier/borderline allstars. both haven't progressed their game for a while now. Ingram is just slow and Tatum is not a good finisher.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Time to bump this. Final verdict: they're the same, low tier/borderline allstars. both haven't progressed their game for a while now. Ingram is just slow and Tatum is not a good finisher.

It's weird how Tatum can have multiple 50 point playoff games, lead his team to the conference finals twice and make All-NBA... still be only 23... and yet someone will still post something like this.

[3ba11]

It's weird how Tatum can have multiple 50 point playoff games, lead his team to the conference finals twice and make All-NBA... still be only 23... and yet someone will still post something like this.


It's weird how you seek context for some issues but not others

Tatum had an all-star teammate in 2018 (Horford) and a teammate getting 18 ppg in the playoffs (Brown)

and in 2020, Tatum had a teammate that was producing more than Pippen ever did (Brown)

Give Ingram that kind of help and it's over - he's a longer and more talented version of Tatum

[Real Men Wear Green]

It's weird how youi seek context for some issues but not others

Tatum had an all-star teammate in 2018 (Horford) and a teammate getting 18 ppg in the playoffs (Brown)

and in 2020, Tatum had a teammate that was producing more than Pippen ever did (Brown)

Give Ingram that kind of help and it's over - he's a longer and more talented version of Tatum

I don't think anyone had every said Jaylen Brown is better than scottie Pippen before. Like, ever. Not just talking about this board. I mean the whole planet. Question, when you talk to me do you do so with the knowledge that I think you're crazy as well as stupid? I take the statements of my two year old son more seriously. He only barely knows how to talk. What's your excuse?

[3ba11]

I don't think anyone had every said Jaylen Brown is better than scottie Pippen before. Like, ever. Not just talking about this board. I mean the whole planet. Question, when you talk to me do you do so with the knowledge that I think you're crazy as well as stupid? I take the statements of my two year old son more seriously. He only barely knows how to talk. What's your excuse?


Pippen isn't anywhere near as good as you think

That's pretty much it.. Don't be surprised that tons of bums like Larry Hughes, Robert Horry, or JR Smith routinely reached prime Pippen production in various series or seasons... IT'S A LOW BAR

[Real Men Wear Green]

Pippen anywhere near as good as you think

That's pretty much it.. Don't be surprised that tons of bums like Larry Hughes, Robert Horry, or JR Smith routinely reached prime Pippen production in various series or seasons... IT'S A LOW BAR

I asked you s question. Do you understand that I have no respect for your opinion whatsoever? You have no credibility. You never make sense and are completely unreasonable.

[3ba11]

I asked you s question. Do you understand that I have no respect for your opinion whatsoever? You have no credibility. You never make sense and are completely unreasonable.


Your post defended Pippen like the lapdog you are because you care.. So don't act tough - you don't pull it off

[Real Men Wear Green]

I didn't know Pip had lap dogs. Interesting.

[3ba11]

I didn't know Pip had lap dogs. Interesting.


Aaahhh yes.. Mr funny man... a better look

[Real Men Wear Green]

Garbanzo beans.

[PeroAntic]

It's weird how Tatum can have multiple 50 point playoff games, lead his team to the conference finals twice and make All-NBA... still be only 23... and yet someone will still post something like this.

In the same circumstances, Ingram could probably do the same. Don't tell me Tatum has improved over the last year. If anything, hes worse. Hes taking way too many bad shots and missing the few good ones.

[GrayGoat]

Ingraham hasn’t been to the playoffs

[Real Men Wear Green]

In the same circumstances, Ingram could probably do the same. Don't tell me Tatum has improved over the last year. If anything, hes worse. Hes taking way too many bad shots and missing the few good ones.

Since when has Ingram done anything to show he is a playoff performer? Using your logic we could say anybody that had averaged 20 could be getting 50 point playoffs games. Tatum is shooting worse than he did last year in a relatively small sample size and with him adjusting to more responsibilities. It remains to be seen how much of a difference it makes but he put on more muscle and is now more of a 4 than he has been in the past. He has not lost any of his skills. You are anxious to jump the gun and ignore all that he has accomplished in his still young career and its just going to lead to you being disappointed as he continues to get better. Right now he is still figuring out how he should play and he is a smart player that will figure it out. Missing shots early in the season sucks and he hasn't started this season well but you are mistaking a slump for the end.

[LeCola]

Tatum will probably attend playoffs as first option again.

Ingram will probably miss playoffs as second option again. When will he play his first playoff game?

:oldlol:

[hateraid]

Garbanzo beans.

Please give him another ban

[PeroAntic]

Since when has Ingram done anything to show he is a playoff performer? Using your logic we could say anybody that had averaged 20 could be getting 50 point playoffs games. Tatum is shooting worse than he did last year in a relatively small sample size and with him adjusting to more responsibilities. It remains to be seen how much of a difference it makes but he put on more muscle and is now more of a 4 than he has been in the past. He has not lost any of his skills. You are anxious to jump the gun and ignore all that he has accomplished in his still young career and its just going to lead to you being disappointed as he continues to get better. Right now he is still figuring out how he should play and he is a smart player that will figure it out. Missing shots early in the season sucks and he hasn't started this season well but you are mistaking a slump for the end.

Um, the Pelicans are significantly worse than the Celtics. Also, Ingram is not a 20 ppg scorer, hes in the same range as Tatum, circa 25 ppg. He did this to one of the best defending teams in the league:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tkvGHmbdu8


Ingram is also a better playmaker than Tatum, so dunno why people act as if there is such a huge difference between the two of them.

[LeCola]

Um, the Pelicans are significantly worse than the Celtics. Also, Ingram is not a 20 ppg scorer, hes in the same range as Tatum, circa 25 ppg. He did this to one of the best defending teams in the league:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tkvGHmbdu8


Ingram is also a better playmaker than Tatum, so dunno why people act as if there is such a huge difference between the two of them.

You really don't know?

Just compare their playoff performances.

:rolleyes:


https://youtu.be/gIwJBdPnnG4

[Real Men Wear Green]

Um, the Pelicans are significantly worse than the Celtics. Also, Ingram is not a 20 ppg scorer, hes in the same range as Tatum, circa 25 ppg. He did this to one of the best defending teams in the league:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tkvGHmbdu8


Ingram is also a better playmaker than Tatum, so dunno why people act as if there is such a huge difference between the two of them.
Ingram is an iinferior defender. He may be a better playmaker than Tatum but Tatum is currently learning to deal with dou b less and the mind of defensive attention real stars face. Meanwhile Ingram has never played in an important game in his entire career.

[GimmeThat]

Amare would probably spank Tatum, while against Ingram, it'd still matter on the PG.

[Wally450]

Ingraham hasn’t been to the playoffs

This is all that needs to be said.

[PeroAntic]

Ingram is an iinferior defender.

And you base this on what exactly? They are similarly good as defenders.

Also claiming the the entire regular season is unimportant is pretty ridiculous as well

[RRR3]

And you base this on what exactly? They are similarly good as defenders.

Also claiming the the entire regular season is unimportant is pretty ridiculous as well
Ingram is a shit defender, talk to us when he can lead his team to even a .400 record without Papa Zion carrying him.

[expansionera]

Ingram went from being an exciting defensive prospect with all the tools in the world to not defending at all

[Real Men Wear Green]

And you base this on what exactly? They are similarly good as defenders.

Also claiming the the entire regular season is unimportant is pretty ridiculous as well
You are contending that regular season games are as important as playoff? NBA stars routinely skip regular season games because rest is more important. Ingram has never played in a game that Kawhi Leonard wouldn't skip if he was feeling tired. Fact.

As for defense, let me know when Coach Popovich is praising Ingrams abilities as a two-way player the way he has Tatum. Tatums reputation on both ends of the floor has been well established.

[Blazers32]

I think Ingram better defender, Tatum better offensive player

[ShawkFactory]

They're relatively even but I'd take Tatum. Ingram is certainly a better passer and I don't think that one is particularly close. Tatum is better on defense, also not that close.

The main difference for me is that Tatum is just more explosive, and thus puts a little bit more pressure on a defense. But he falls into shooting jumpers too much when he can get to the basket and finish or draw a foul pretty much whenever he feels like it.

Ingram doesn't quite have that extra step but on top of being a better passer he very well might be a better pure shooter.

[Mask the Embiid]

The old rivals going at it again. Ingram is getting the better of him again btw…..#ingraham

[SATAN]

.....

[Real Men Wear Green]

The old rivals going at it again. Ingram is getting the better of him again btw…..#ingraham

Thank you.

[ImKobe]

JT got superior help. That's all.

[Real Men Wear Green]

JT got superior help. That's all.

Zion Williamson was actually the Pelicans best scorer. The problem is he gassed out. The Celtics didn't even bother to defend Ingram with Tatum, they left Derrick White on him for much of the game. He took some advantage of that early but couldn't keep them afloat when Williamson needed a break. Good try, good effort.

[iamgine]

Tatum: Borderline top 10 player

Ingram: Borderline top 50 player

Not even in the same level

[Real Men Wear Green]

Tatum had the better statline today but to be fair, again, they didn't defend each other. So comparing them based on that and then saying one outplayed the other is like the stupid way quarterbacks are compared head to head when they never defend each other. The presence of Zion Williamson changes things. The Celtics don't have anyone that can defend him by himself. Best match is Horford, who isn't quick enough. Due to all the potential bad match ups Tatum was often on the center (Valenciounus? SP) but then was also on McCollum or whoever else. On the other end I don't even remember who they were throwing at Tatum. I recall McCollum being abused a few times but that may have been about switching. But he definitely was not defended by Ingram.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Marveling at how horribly this thread has aged. And that someone would actually bring it back.

[PeroAntic]

Marveling at how horribly this thread has aged. And that someone would actually bring it back.

Its a lot closer than you say it is. Put points and assists together and Ingram contributes more. Tatum by the finest of margins because hes a better defender but neither him nor Ingram are elite defenders.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Its a lot closer than you say it is. No it isn't. the difference in career accomplishments is massive and grows larger every season.
Put points and assists together and Ingram contributes more. Tatum by the finest of margins because hes a better defender but neither him nor Ingram are elite defenders.Tatum averages 26.9 points and 4.4 assists. Ingram averages 21.4 points and 5.7 assists. So that statement isn't even accurate. Tatum is an excellent defender whether you acknowledge that fact or not and this debate has been over for years.

[Xiao Yao You]

Its a lot closer than you say it is. Put points and assists together and Ingram contributes more. Tatum by the finest of margins because hes a better defender but neither him nor Ingram are elite defenders.

"They don’t pay players to play defense. There’s only two players, historically, who play defense" - J. Parker

[tontoz]

Tatum has been 1st team All-NBA the last two years. Ingram has made the All-Star game once in 8 seasons.

I like Ingram but this comparison is ridiculous.

[tontoz]

FWIW Tatum is currently 5th in the most recent MVP ladder.

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-jan-26-2024-edition

[Manny98]

With my life on the line I can't lie I would rather have Ingram over Tatum

Game 7 vs Miami last year, the 2022 finals, tpo many time Tatum hasn't got the job done when the pressure is highest

[Real Men Wear Green]

With my life on the line I can't lie I would rather have Ingram over Tatum No one is going to kill you for holding a stupid basketball opinion so what does that matter?

[Real Men Wear Green]

Tatum has been 1st team All-NBA the last two years. Ingram has made the All-Star game once in 8 seasons.

I like Ingram but this comparison is ridiculous.

And it's someone on the Ingram side that bumped this thread, not me.

[tontoz]

And it's someone on the Ingram side that bumped this thread, not me.


Looks like Mask the Embiid is changing things up. Usually he just creates idiotic threads but now he is bumping them.

[Jasper]

Post all star break...

13.5/5.1/2.6 on 43.7% FG, 25% from 3, and 50.7% TS

-3.6 net rating.

2017-2018 post ASB:

15/5/2.1 on 47.7% from the field, and 45.3% from 3. 58% TS, 8.3 net rating.

By comparison, here's a commonly compared player in Brandon Ingram post ASB.

27.8/7.5/2.5 on 57% from the field, 53% from 3. 65.2% TS, -1.8 net rating.



I'M ALWAYS RIGHT RETARDS HAAHAHAHAHAHA:bowdown: :cheers:

I would take Ingram over Tatum , simply because during crunch time , tatum lets Brown win the bulk of the game like Ingram , and then tatum plays like he is the hero --- which he is NOT.

[tontoz]

I would take Ingram over Tatum , simply because during crunch time , tatum lets Brown win the bulk of the game like Ingram , and then tatum plays like he is the hero --- which he is NOT.

Why would you quote a post from 2019?

[JohnnySic]

Are we still doing this? :hammerhead:

[PeroAntic]

No it isn't. the difference in career accomplishments is massive and grows larger every season.Tatum averages 26.9 points and 4.4 assists. Ingram averages 21.4 points and 5.7 assists. So that statement isn't even accurate. Tatum is an excellent defender whether you acknowledge that fact or not and this debate has been over for years.

Tatum is a solid defender but lets not pretend hes Rodman now. Ingram is also an ok defender. I'd say Ingram is 80 percent the defender Tatum is.

Were not talking about accomplishments obviously just their ability in a vacuum. Accomplishment depends on the team

[ShawkFactory]

With my life on the line I can't lie I would rather have Ingram over Tatum

Game 7 vs Miami last year, the 2022 finals, tpo many time Tatum hasn't got the job done when the pressure is highest

What has Ingram shown in these big moments?

He’s played in 6 playoff games in 7 years.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Tatum is a solid defender but lets not pretend hes Rodman now. Ingram is also an ok defender. I'd say Ingram is 80 percent the defender Tatum is.

Were not talking about accomplishments obviously just their ability in a vacuum. Accomplishment depends on the team

Tatum has been an important part of one of the best defenses in the league for his entire career. He successfully defended Kevin Durant for a whole series sweep. Coaches like Greg Popovich have talked about what a great two-wayv player he is. You have already died in this hill. The debate is long over. There is obviously no number of accolades. AllNBA teams, allstar games, player of the week, month, doesn't matter to you. Clearly not changing your mind, and that's fine. You can continue to fight reality. You probably still think Ingram is averaging more points and assists. Ok.

[AirBonner]

:roll::roll::roll::roll:

[RRR3]

Idk…Ingram averaged a deadly 14.3 PPG on 45.0 TS% this playoffs.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Hmm. Tatum...nah.
Brown... Finals MVP, no no.
Holiday...AllD, allstar...nope.
Derrick White... two times all D, no.

Ok this thread is now officially Payton Pritchard vs Brandon Ingram debate. Serious replies only please. I'll start.

Payton Pritchard is a special kind of clutch, hitting the two biggest shots of the finals this year. Playing with two guys that would be the starting point guard in most teams he still managed to put up starter worthy numbers on a per minute basis. He averaged 16 points and 6 assists per 36 minutes and played in all 82 games. A strong defender in spite of his possibly sub-6ft stature Pritchard has a future as a starting point guard at his peak.

[RRR3]

Healthy Ingram easily over Tatum, who has yet to find his game.. and I mean easily

Tatum is best as a spot-up shooter, while ingram can do that too, but also has a full-fledged guard handle and can play the primary ball-handler and/or iso role..

Tatum's handle and body type are more mechanical, and it's futile to make him too much more than a spot-up shooter.. he's not a franchise player or even the 2nd best player on a champion

Ingram simply has more capacity to be a more well-rounded, more dominant offensive player
Another retarded take :roll:

[Carbine]

Trolls gonna troll