according to lebron fans these are the top 10 players of all time

[kennethgriffen]

#1 Boris Diaw
#2 Arvydas Sabonis
#3 Scottie Pippen
#4 Kevin Garnett
#5 Hakeem Olajuwon
#6 Anthony Davis
#7 Paul George
#8 Joel Embiid
#9 Al Horford
#10 Marc Gasol



these guys can do lots of stuffs. more different stuffs than jordan or even lebron could do





boris = New GOAT

https://sports.cbsimg.net/images/visual/whatshot/boris_diaw_opt_in_062913.jpg

[superduper]

Bro this threads gonna be deleted.

Mods have made it blatantly obvious they only allow pro Bran troll threads.

[TheCorporation]

At an elite level?

Mods...

[Manny98]

Can any of those guys do this on the biggest stage?

https://i.postimg.cc/N0tN1SmK/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d.jpg


Or this....

https://i.postimg.cc/MH15MYH7/lebron-james-first-player-to-average-a-triple-double-in-nba-2272.png

[LostCause]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/opinion-why-lakers-may-be-worse-with-addition-of-lebron-james/ar-BBVddQH

[Hey Yo]

Bro this threads gonna be deleted.

Mods have made it blatantly obvious they only allow pro Bran troll threads.
LOL @ this whiney bitch. Dont let the door hit ya in the ass, chico.

[kennethgriffen]

Can any of those guys do this on the biggest stage?

https://i.postimg.cc/N0tN1SmK/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d.jpg


Or this....

https://i.postimg.cc/MH15MYH7/lebron-james-first-player-to-average-a-triple-double-in-nba-2272.png


defense is half of the game though


2014 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKUCE_5H7Iw

2015 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK9wLWF8TXo

2016 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05hXYtvQEjM

2017 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzmvikY8VdQ&t=8s

2018 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKjNWFqrAIg

2019 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZlvjFqb5kE&t=4s




diaw > lebron


sorry

[Spurs m8]

Good thread.

[TheCorporation]

https://i.postimg.cc/PrVgMtDj/20190324_143351.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/MHhrZs2H/Top_5_game_sc.png

Yawn

[kennethgriffen]

https://i.postimg.cc/PrVgMtDj/20190324_143351.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/MHhrZs2H/Top_5_game_sc.png

Yawn


if a rookie that never played defense and couldn't shoot has a top 5 gamescore then that shows you how valuable that analytic is

:lol

[Manny98]

defense is half of the game though


2014 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKUCE_5H7Iw

2015 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK9wLWF8TXo

2016 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05hXYtvQEjM

2017 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzmvikY8VdQ&t=8s

2018 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKjNWFqrAIg

2019 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZlvjFqb5kE&t=4s




diaw > lebron


sorry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkm3LVYhInM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0C3el_99Kw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS6uFOTZCX0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmefZVPbS28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgSWIZaa6lU

Lets not forget how he finished top 2 in DPOY not once but twice :bowdown:

Lets not forget all of his defensive 1st teams to go along with it

[SouBeachTalents]

if a rookie that never played defense has a top 5 gamescore then that shows you how valuable that analytic is

:lol
Hating on LeBron, whatever, it's expected, but you're really gonna dismiss a rookie filling in for Kareem at center and dropping 42/15/7 to clinch the Finals on the road. You don't need gamescore to tell you that was easily one of the greatest Finals performances of all time

[kennethgriffen]

and why are all time gamescore rankings based on a 3 game cherry picked average

:oldlol:

[kennethgriffen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkm3LVYhInM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0C3el_99Kw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS6uFOTZCX0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmefZVPbS28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgSWIZaa6lU

Lets not forget how he finished top 2 in DPOY not once but twice :bowdown:

Lets not forget all of his defensive 1st teams to go along with it


chase down blocks, hovering around the basket cherry picking rebounds and sagging off your man to play passing lanes isn't defense


lebron is one of the worst on ball defenders in league history. he hasn't played ANY defense over the past 6 years

[LostCause]

and why are all time gamescore rankings based on a 3 game cherry picked average

:oldlol:

Cuz winning a series takes 4 games and some don't wanna go THAT far lol

[Manny98]

Career high season in defensive win shares:

LeBron 6.5

Jordan 6.1

Kobe 4.3

Numbers don't lie LeBron is the best defender out of the 3 :banana:

Lets not forget LeBron having the most steals ever in the postseason

You lose try harder next time

https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohhwn2qMNsYBfn4m4/giphy.gif

[LostCause]

Defensive Win Shares :oldlol:

I don't think I've ever heard anyone reference Win Shares in an actual basketball discussion, except like, Max Kellerman. Still though :oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

if a rookie that never played defense and couldn't shoot has a top 5 gamescore then that shows you how valuable that analytic is

:lol

Kobe couldnt shoot either but do we hold it against Mr. 44%be?

[kennethgriffen]

Career high season in defensive win shares:

LeBron 6.5

Jordan 6.1

Kobe 4.3

Numbers don't lie LeBron is the best defender out of the 3 :banana:

Lets not forget LeBron having the most steals ever in the postseason

You lose try harder next time

https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohhwn2qMNsYBfn4m4/giphy.gif


you just said numbers don't lie. then posted numbers that said lebron was a better defender one year than jordan or kobe ever was

this is why you have to actually watch the games. there isn't a single expert, coach, player or former player that will say lebron was ever a better defender than jordan


some hate kobe enough to say it... like nick wright. but even he won't go that far in a jordan vs lebron debate


this totally debunks analytics even more so


lebron is a stat chaser. he plays passing lanes and sags off his man to get numbers that contribute to analytics. why do you think he's constantly looking at stat sheets during a game

why do you think he's playing in meaningless games right now with the lakers eliminated from the playoffs


stats are more important than winning to lebron. he's a total fraud


why do you continue to support this guy. this season totally obliterated his legacy

[TheCorporation]

Defensive Win Shares :oldlol:

I don't think I've ever heard anyone reference Win Shares in an actual basketball discussion, except like, Max Kellerman. Still though :oldlol:

Of course not, the average basketball fan is a moron that does not understand advanced analytics. Which is precisely why it's no surprise to me that you don't seem to like them, either :lol

[TheCorporation]

you just said numbers don't lie. then posted numbers that said lebron was a better defender one year than jordan or kobe ever was

this is why you have to actually watch the games. there isn't a single expert, coach, player or former player that will say lebron was ever a better defender than jordan


some hate kobe enough to say it... like nick wright. but even he won't go that far in a jordan vs lebron debate


this totally debunks analytics even more so


lebron is a stat chaser. he plays passing lanes and sags off his man to get numbers that contribute to analytics. why do you think he's constantly looking at stat sheets during a game

why do you think he's playing in meaningless games right now with the lakers eliminated from the playoffs


stats are more important than winning to lebron. he's a total fraud


why do you continue to support this guy. this season totally obliterated his legacy

LBJ should have won DPOY in 2012 and/or 2013 and Im going to make a thread on it.

Fight me

[TheCorporation]

Career high season in defensive win shares:

LeBron 6.5

Jordan 6.1

Kobe 4.3

Numbers don't lie LeBron is the best defender out of the 3 :banana:

Lets not forget LeBron having the most steals ever in the postseason

You lose try harder next time

https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohhwn2qMNsYBfn4m4/giphy.gif

https://i.postimg.cc/Y0bH7MZp/BronPoint.jpg

[TheCorporation]

Manny got these bois on a leash

:lol

[TheCorporation]

and why are all time gamescore rankings based on a 3 game cherry picked average

:oldlol:

IF you could READ

One graphic is based on a single game, the other is based on the greatest 3-game stretch

Hint: Bron also has the greatest 2-game stretch as well. Want me to post that, too?

[kennethgriffen]

Kobe couldnt shoot either but do we hold it against Mr. 44%be?

up till kobes achilles injury he shot over 45%


the same as rick barry ... he was one of the most gifted shooters of all time but chose to take high difficult attempts like kobe did... he demoralized opponents


the truest test of pure shooting ability is free throw percentage. ofcourse a players style/shot selection will mess with fg%. but you can't cover it up at the free throw line. lebron sure as hell couldn't

[kennethgriffen]

IF you could READ

One graphic is based on a single game, the other is based on the greatest 3-game stretch

Hint: Bron also has the greatest 2-game stretch as well. Want me to post that, too?

again..


so a rookie that couldn't shoot or defend is in your top 5

[TheCorporation]

up till kobes achilles injury he shot over 45%


the same as rick barry ... he was one of the most gifted shooters of all time but chose to take high difficult attempts like kobe did... he demoralized opponents


the truest test of pure shooting ability is free throw percentage. ofcourse a players style/shot selection will mess with fg%. but you can't cover it up at the free throw line. lebron sure as hell couldn't

Seasons above .469 FG

Kobe = 0/20
LBJ = 15/16

We done here? :lol

[TheCorporation]

again..


so a rookie that couldn't shoot or defend is in your top 5

No Kobe is not in the top 5 :lol

[kennethgriffen]

No Kobe is not in the top 5 :lol

but rookie magic is

[kennethgriffen]

Seasons above .469 FG

Kobe = 0/20
LBJ = 15/16

We done here? :lol


rick barry never shot over .464% in the nba

[Manny98]

Ok then why did the experts vote LeBron top 2 in defensive player of the year voting not once but twice :roll:

2009
https://i.postimg.cc/mrC2zzRY/Screenshot-20190325-212303.jpg






2013
https://i.postimg.cc/mkXbf7Ns/Screenshot-20190325-212339.jpg


2eazy watch Kenny try and move the goalpost again

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o752fLui1xTJ5fIVa/giphy.gif

[TheCorporation]

Ok then why did the experts vote LeBron top 2 in defensive player of the year voting not once but twice :roll:

2009
https://i.postimg.cc/mrC2zzRY/Screenshot-20190325-212303.jpg






2013
https://i.postimg.cc/mkXbf7Ns/Screenshot-20190325-212339.jpg


2eazy watch Kenny try and move the goalpost again

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o752fLui1xTJ5fIVa/giphy.gif

I still think he should have won in 2012 over Tyson Chandler or 2013 over Marc Gasol and I'll be making a thread about that later today :cheers:

[kennethgriffen]

james hardens shot 44% over the past 7 years combined and he's one of the best shooters in the nba


spamming layups with stiff arms/push offs to boost your fg% doesn't mean you a better shooter

[TheCorporation]

Seasons above .469 FG

Kobe = 0/20
LBJ = 15/16

We done here? :lol

Kenny? Are you still there bud?

[kennethgriffen]

I still think he should have won in 2012 over Tyson Chandler or 2013 over Marc Gasol and I'll be making a thread about that later today :cheers:


and what happened when the media finally started paying attention and realized he was just doing chase down blocks/playing the passing lanes


they dropped his ass off their ballots ever since

[kennethgriffen]

Kenny? Are you still there bud?


https://i.ibb.co/nmtYhnN/Screen-Shot-2019-03-25-at-5-33-38-PM.png

[Manny98]

Ok then why did the experts vote LeBron top 2 in defensive player of the year voting not once but twice :roll:

2009
https://i.postimg.cc/mrC2zzRY/Screenshot-20190325-212303.jpg






2013
https://i.postimg.cc/mkXbf7Ns/Screenshot-20190325-212339.jpg


2eazy watch Kenny try and move the goalpost again

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o752fLui1xTJ5fIVa/giphy.gif
Avoiding This like the plague I win again

https://media.giphy.com/media/l4pTn2R4b7sx2o8FO/giphy.gif

[Hey Yo]

Hating on LeBron, whatever, it's expected, but you're really gonna dismiss a rookie filling in for Kareem at center and dropping 42/15/7 to clinch the Finals on the road. You don't need gamescore to tell you that was easily one of the greatest Finals performances of all time
Magic filling in for Kareem is a myth. He repped LA for the opening tip, but other than that he played Foward and Guard.

[kennethgriffen]

Ok then why did the experts vote LeBron top 2 in defensive player of the year voting not once but twice :roll:

2009
https://i.postimg.cc/mrC2zzRY/Screenshot-20190325-212303.jpg






2013
https://i.postimg.cc/mkXbf7Ns/Screenshot-20190325-212339.jpg


2eazy watch Kenny try and move the goalpost again

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o752fLui1xTJ5fIVa/giphy.gif


do you agree with gasol winning it over lebron

[kennethgriffen]

Peak LeBron ranks ahead of Kobe & Jordan in virtually every defensive metric

amazin

https://i.ibb.co/WpJKCz5/Screen-Shot-2019-03-25-at-5-56-39-PM.png

[LostCause]

Peak LeBron ranks ahead of Kobe & Jordan in virtually every defensive metric

Alright. Let's see them then?

[SpaceJam2]

Avoiding This like the plague I win again

https://media.giphy.com/media/l4pTn2R4b7sx2o8FO/giphy.gif

Kenny brings up good points at times and the shys away when it gets too hot to handle. This being a prime example. Manny slayed the Kenny, yet again.

[kennethgriffen]

Kenny brings up good points at times and the shys away when it gets too hot to handle. This being a prime example. Manny slayed the Kenny, yet again.


he posted a list that he doesn't even agree with. how is that proof of anything


he has lebron over gasol. yet they voted gasol over lebron. so how can he use the list to make his point when he doesn't even agree with it



would be like me arguing kobe was mvp by posting the voting from 2009 and saying "see.. kobe was 2nd. hah!"

:oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

Peak LeBron ranks ahead of Kobe & Jordan in virtually every defensive metric

Easily, he does. How do people not know this already? :wtf:


Regular season

Peak DRtg
LBJ = 97, 99, 100 (98.66 average)
MJ = 100, 100, 101 (100.33 average)
Goatbe = 98, 102, 103 (101 average)

Peak DWS
LBJ = 6.5; 5.7; 5.3 (5.83 average)
MJ = 6.2; 6.1; 5.6 (5.96 average)
Goatbe = 4.5; 4.3; 4.0 (4.26 average)

Peak DPBM
LBJ = 3.6; 2.8; 2.7 (3.03 average)
MJ = 2.7; 2.3; 1.8 (2.26 average)
Goatbe =1.7; .3; .3 (0.76 average)

Landslide win for LeBron.


Playoffs

Peak DRtg
LBJ = 99, 99, 99 (99 average)
MJ = 101, 101, 101 (101 average)
Goatbe = 99, 101, 103 (101 average)

Peak DWS
LBJ = 1.6; 1.6; 1.5 (1.56 average *tie)
MJ = 1.7; 1.5; 1.5 (1.56 average*tie)
Goatbe = 4.5; 4.3; 4.0 (4.26 average)

Peak DPBM
LBJ = 3.6; 2.8; 2.7 (3.03 average)
MJ = 2.7; 2.3; 1.8 (2.26 average)
Goatbe =1.4; 1.2; .9 (1.16 average)

LeBron, again, landslide victory

[TheCorporation]

Peak LeBron ranks ahead of Kobe & Jordan in virtually every defensive metric

I put the torch setting on FULL blast and made an entire thread outlining everything.

They're done now :cheers:

[Manny98]

Easily, he does. How do people not know this already? :wtf:


Regular season

Peak DRtg
LBJ = 97, 99, 100 (98.66 average)
MJ = 100, 100, 101 (100.33 average)
Goatbe = 98, 102, 103 (101 average)

Peak DWS
LBJ = 6.5; 5.7; 5.3 (5.83 average)
MJ = 6.2; 6.1; 5.6 (5.96 average)
Goatbe = 4.5; 4.3; 4.0 (4.26 average)

Peak DPBM
LBJ = 3.6; 2.8; 2.7 (3.03 average)
MJ = 2.7; 2.3; 1.8 (2.26 average)
Goatbe =1.7; .3; .3 (0.76 average)

Landslide win for LeBron.


Playoffs

Peak DRtg
LBJ = 99, 99, 99 (99 average)
MJ = 101, 101, 101 (101 average)
Goatbe = 99, 101, 103 (101 average)

Peak DWS
LBJ = 1.6; 1.6; 1.5 (1.56 average *tie)
MJ = 1.7; 1.5; 1.5 (1.56 average*tie)
Goatbe = 4.5; 4.3; 4.0 (4.26 average)

Peak DPBM
LBJ = 3.6; 2.8; 2.7 (3.03 average)
MJ = 2.7; 2.3; 1.8 (2.26 average)
Goatbe =1.4; 1.2; .9 (1.16 average)

LeBron, again, landslide victory
Stats don't lie:bowdown: :bowdown:

[tpols]

Westbrick would be the GOAT.

[TheCorporation]

Stats don't lie:bowdown: :bowdown:

https://i.postimg.cc/BbTmmZp3/big-if-u-dont-know.png

[kennethgriffen]

Easily, he does. How do people not know this already? :wtf:


Regular season

Peak DRtg
LBJ = 97, 99, 100 (98.66 average)
MJ = 100, 100, 101 (100.33 average)
Goatbe = 98, 102, 103 (101 average)

Peak DWS
LBJ = 6.5; 5.7; 5.3 (5.83 average)
MJ = 6.2; 6.1; 5.6 (5.96 average)
Goatbe = 4.5; 4.3; 4.0 (4.26 average)

Peak DPBM
LBJ = 3.6; 2.8; 2.7 (3.03 average)
MJ = 2.7; 2.3; 1.8 (2.26 average)
Goatbe =1.7; .3; .3 (0.76 average)

Landslide win for LeBron.


Playoffs

Peak DRtg
LBJ = 99, 99, 99 (99 average)
MJ = 101, 101, 101 (101 average)
Goatbe = 99, 101, 103 (101 average)

Peak DWS
LBJ = 1.6; 1.6; 1.5 (1.56 average *tie)
MJ = 1.7; 1.5; 1.5 (1.56 average*tie)
Goatbe = 4.5; 4.3; 4.0 (4.26 average)

Peak DPBM
LBJ = 3.6; 2.8; 2.7 (3.03 average)
MJ = 2.7; 2.3; 1.8 (2.26 average)
Goatbe =1.4; 1.2; .9 (1.16 average)

LeBron, again, landslide victory


this proves beyond a shadow of a doubt stats lie


lebron is literally stuck in cement shoes on defense

:lol

[TheCorporation]

this proves beyond a shadow of a doubt stats lie


lebron is literally stuck in cement shoes on defense

:lol

https://i.postimg.cc/1tft0f9g/Seek-help.png

[TheCorporation]

Stats don't lie:bowdown: :bowdown:

And not a peep was made that day :cheers:

These kids just don't know.

Suddenly EVERYONE is quiet.

[kennethgriffen]

https://i.postimg.cc/1tft0f9g/Seek-help.png


dude.. theres a reason lebron stopped making all defensive teams at age 28

:lol

the media got smart to the whole bogus stat chasing/cheating on defense shit