Lakers are 26-30 with Lebron this yr (would've missed playoffs regardless of injury)

[3ball]

Otoh, it's easy to forget that:

- 32 year-old MJ led the teetering bulls to the playoffs in 95' when he came back

- 34-year old jordan led the bulls to the 1 seed without Pippen in 98'

- 22-year old jordan was injured nearly all year, but led the 86' bulls to the 8 seed (9-9 with MJ despite 25 mpg restriction)


But lebron's standard 27/7/7 proved impactless outside of his diluted, colluded and "fixed" Eastern Conference.. :oldlol: :facepalm.. what a historic year.. :rockon:

[StrongLurk]

What about the rest of the team being injured?

Lakers went 15-8 went LeKang, Lonzwoah, DripKing, and KuzGod all played together.

Also the late 90's is easily the worst era of the modern NBA. Much worse versions of MJ, Pip and Rodman won more games than they did in their prime...wonder why?

[Hey Yo]

32yr old MJ coming back after a huge 2yr baseball fail to try to win a ring the absolute cheapest way possible.

pathetic

[Wally450]

32yr old MJ coming back after a huge 2yr baseball fail to try to win a ring the absolute cheapest way possible.

pathetic

(would've lost in the playoffs anyways regardless of retirement)

Just doing what OP is doing.

[TheCorporation]

Preinjury, even going through the growing pains of playing with high expectations on an entirely new team comprised of 21 year olds that had never played a solitaire NBA game together, LeBron had them at 22-14 on on a 48-win pace. So ,if 48-wins would've missed the playoffs then you'd be right. IF you take away the first 5-games of "growing pains" where they started out 2-3 then he had this summer league team on a 56-win pace.


But you're not right. You're a liar. And you always post bullshit, and this is why no one can take you seriously.


Next

[G0ATbe]

Wasnt mj making the playoffs with like 30 win teams? :lol

I mean my god, that era was so weak that leading the Bulls to the playoffs is equal to leading them to the first round pick in todays game

[TheCorporation]

What about the rest of the team being injured?

Lakers went 15-8 went LeKang, Lonzwoah, DripKing, and KuzGod all played together.

Also the late 90's is easily the worst era of the modern NBA. Much worse versions of MJ, Pip and Rodman won more games than they did in their prime...wonder why?

Dagger

[TheCorporation]

Wasnt mj making the playoffs with like 30 win teams? :lol

I mean my god, that era was so weak that leading the Bulls to the playoffs is equal to leading them to the first round pick in todays game

Two striaght years he made the playoffs with a losing record :lol

30-52
40-42

And the funny thing is the Bulls had 38 wins before drafting MJ, then after drafting him they only won 30 games that season :lol

Mr. -8 :lol

Oh, 3ball :facepalm

[3ball]

32yr old MJ coming back after a huge 2yr baseball fail to try to win a ring the absolute cheapest way possible.



It's "cheap" for old MJ to supercede prime Kobe???... :yaohappy:



JORDAN 1996-1998 REG SEASON:. 29.6 ppg.. 48.2% fg.. 2 MVP
BRYANT 2008-2010 REG SEASON:. 27.4 ppg.. 46.1% fg.. 1 MVP


JORDAN 1996-1998 PLAYOFFS:. 31.4 ppg.. 45.9% fg
BRYANT 2008-2010 PLAYOFFS:. 29.8 ppg.. 46.4% fg


JORDAN 1996-1998 FINALS:. 31.1 ppg.. 43.4% fg.. 3 championships.. 3 FMVP's
BRYANT 2008-2010 FINALS:. 29.2 ppg.. 41.3% fg.. 2 championships.. 2 FMVP's


Source: basketball-reference.com



Notice that MJ's efficiency was equal or greater, even though Kobe carried a MUCH smaller load:



............PERCENTAGE OF TEAM POINTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR


.........................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 40.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 37.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 40.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 50.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) <--- links to nba.com data
JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

KOBE 2008....... 31.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 36.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 41.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 30.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 32.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)
KOBE 2009....... 32.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/usage/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 40.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/usage/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 34.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 35.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/usage/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 36.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/usage/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 34.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/usage/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
KOBE 2010....... 32.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 37.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/usage/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 38.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/usage/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 36.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/usage/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 37.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/usage/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)



Like, wowsers... :eek: :eek:

[Vino24]

OP has LeBron out of his top 25. Yet he is constantly posting about him. Why?

[3ball]

OP has LeBron out of his top 25. Yet he is constantly posting about him. Why?
Because he's the goat punching bag

It's the media's fault - they built him up to be something he isn't - LeBubble - like an inflated stock that crashed this year

:facepalm .. a historic year and crash... like 1930.. or 2008



Definition:

Bu bble - when the price of an underlying asset rises far above it's fundamental value

- Nouriel Roubini, "Crisis Economics", 2010


Indeed, the lebron bubble has crashed

[TheCorporation]

OP has LeBron out of his top 25. Yet he is constantly posting about him. Why?

Because deep, DEEP down in his little 2ball brain...He knows it :( He knows that Michael Frauden has been exposed and will always be #2 now

[TheCorporation]

32yr old MJ coming back after a huge 2yr baseball fail to try to win a ring the absolute cheapest way possible.

pathetic

Jumped right onto Scottie's 55-win coat tails. As if Pip needed MJ :lol

1-9 was a REAL thing

NOT a conspiracy

[TheCorporation]

Because he's the goat punching bag

It's the media's fault - they built him up to be something he isn't - LeBubble - like an inflated stock that crashed this year

:facepalm .. a historic year and crash... like 1930.. or 2008



Definition:

Bu bble - when the price of an underlying asset rises far above it's fundamental value

- Nouriel Roubini, "Crisis Economics", 2010


Indeed, the lebron bubble has crashed

MJ is the GOAT punching bag...

-Never beat a super team
-0 and 6 vs Bird
-Losing record to Isaiah Thomas, too
-Won FMVP twice as top 15 lowest GameScore
-1-9 before Daddy Pip
-Isn't #1 in any stat (Points, rebounds, assists, steals, game winners, elim game ppg)
-Played teams that never won a chip (weak competition)
-His toughest opponent's #2 option scores 10 a game
-Never faced tough perimeter defense
-Left his 57 win team who went on to win 55 :lol

I mean, sheesh...

[superduper]

Jumped right onto Scottie's 55-win coat tails. As if Pip needed MJ :lol

1-9 was a REAL thing

NOT a conspiracy

DAMN. What did Pip win as first option? Clearly it is equivilant to 6 chips :eek:

Back on topic: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[SpaceJam2]

Wasnt mj making the playoffs with like 30 win teams? :lol

I mean my god, that era was so weak that leading the Bulls to the playoffs is equal to leading them to the first round pick in todays game

:eek: :eek:

[3ball]

What about the rest of the team being injured?

Lakers went 15-8 went LeKang, Lonzwoah, DripKing, and KuzGod all played together.

Also the late 90's is easily the worst era of the modern NBA. Much worse versions of MJ, Pip and Rodman won more games than they did in their prime...wonder why?
It's common knowledge that they had one of the easiest schedules in the first half of the season

In the end, they're 26-30 with lebron.. b-b-but "back in no time".... "playoff mode activated"... This kat thought he was still in the East!!!.. :roll: :roll:

Btw, he only made a middling 4 seed in the East last year with a veteran, champion cast and a perennial all-star sidekick... so we should've known his shit wouldn't work out West...

Of course, we can ignore 2011-17 when he had super-teams.. and in 07', he replicated what AI, Kidd and Dwight did by making Finals in a weak conferene with a non-star cast - he should get knocked for failing to do it again in 09/10 and ceding the weak conference to Dwight and a 50-win Celtic team, despite being the heavy favorite both times.. he had to team-hop because he couldn't make the Finals again (07 was a fluke)

Those are the facts.. he's been overrated.. a stat whore that doesn't carry teams or win amongst real comp like he did in the East
.

[NBASTATMAN]

Two striaght years he made the playoffs with a losing record :lol

30-52
40-42

And the funny thing is the Bulls had 38 wins before drafting MJ, then after drafting him they only won 30 games that season :lol

Mr. -8 :lol

Oh, 3ball :facepalm


IS THIS TRUE .. :lol

[FKAri]

The deeper one digs the worse it gets for MJ. The media had absolute power in the 80s and 90s. Everyone took their word for gospel.

[3ball]

Two striaght years he made the playoffs with a losing record :lol

30-52
40-42

And the funny thing is the Bulls had 38 wins before drafting MJ, then after drafting him they only won 30 games that season :lol

Mr. -8

Oh, 3ball :facepalm
The 86' bulls were 9-9 with MJ despite a 25-minute restriction, and 21-43 without him.. so mj fought like hell to get that 8 seed in his 25 minutes per game

And that's all that matters is being the 8th best team - requirements for the 8 seed will ebb and flow depending on the year (see 1989), but you always have to be the 8th best team to make it..

mj always managed to be at least the 8th best team when he had elite athleticism to will his team.. whereas lebron missed the playoffs THREE TIMES with elite athleticism.... :facepalm .. no heart.. no competitiveness.. a primadonna.. :confusedshrug:

And a shit brand of ball that doesn't really win in the playoffs without a weak conference where AI, Kidd and Dwight make the Finals, or a super-team..





The deeper one digs


you'll find he's the only guy with goat level stats, rings, and accolades... All as top dog... And goat clutch

:bowdown:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Two striaght years he made the playoffs with a losing record :lol

30-52
40-42

And the funny thing is the Bulls had 38 wins before drafting MJ, then after drafting him they only won 30 games that season :lol

Mr. -8 :lol

Oh, 3ball :facepalm

Jordan missed 3 quarters of that year, fukkhead.

Your only "knowledge" comes from basketball-reference, and you still found a way to look embarrassing :oldlol: In all fairness? One could say that about all Lebron fans.

[TheCorporation]

The deeper one digs the worse it gets for MJ. The media had absolute power in the 80s and 90s. Everyone took their word for gospel.

That's what I've been trying to tell this 3ballfool from the get-go. If he kept his mouth shut he might have been able to keep some of Jordan"s aura intact but instead he has only done things to destroy it.

The more we look, the more we find.

[TheCorporation]

Jordan missed 3 quarters of that year, fukkhead.

Your only "knowledge" comes from basketball-reference, and you still found a way to look embarrassing :oldlol: In all fairness? One could say that about all Lebron fans.

Yes we know he broke his leg and only played 17 games. Isn't it funny the team did better the year he broke his leg? Also, Jordan still gets credit for making the playoffs right? So which is it?

Check mate.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Yes we know he broke his leg and only played 17 games. Isn't it funny the team did better the year he broke his leg? Also, Jordan still gets credit for making the playoffs right? So which is it?

Check mate.

"Checkmate"?

You literally just said Chicago won 8 less games the year Jordan got drafted.

And now, you're claiming they were "better" when sophomore Jordan broke his leg.

Both statements are incorrect, moron.

[Smoke117]

I love how all of you idiots can argue about this dumb shit over and over for years on end. :oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

"Checkmate"?

You literally just said Chicago won 8 less games the year Jordan got drafted.

And now, you're claiming they were "better" when sophomore Jordan broke his leg.

Both statements are incorrect, moron.

You are correct I had it backwards. I'll take that L like a man.

[TheCorporation]

I love how all of you idiots can argue about this dumb shit over and over for years on end. :oldlol:
You the real MVP for hanging ib with all the BS :bowdown:

[StrongLurk]

It's common knowledge that they had one of the easiest schedules in the first half of the season

In the end, they're 26-30 with lebron.. b-b-but "back in no time".... "playoff mode activated"... This kat thought he was still in the East!!!.. :roll: :roll:

Btw, he only made a middling 4 seed in the East last year with a veteran, champion cast and a perennial all-star sidekick... so we should've known his shit wouldn't work out West...

Of course, we can ignore 2011-17 when he had super-teams.. and in 07', he replicated what AI, Kidd and Dwight did by making Finals in a weak conferene with a non-star cast - he should get knocked for failing to do it again in 09/10 and ceding the weak conference to Dwight and a 50-win Celtic team, despite being the heavy favorite both times.. he had to team-hop because he couldn't make the Finals again (07 was a fluke)

Those are the facts.. he's been overrated.. a stat whore that doesn't carry teams or win amongst real comp like he did in the East
.


You need to work on your troll game. 15-8 with the main cast healthy.

[LostCause]

Two striaght years he made the playoffs with a losing record :lol

30-52
40-42

And the funny thing is the Bulls had 38 wins before drafting MJ, then after drafting him they only won 30 games that season :lol

Mr. -8 :lol

Oh, 3ball :facepalm

:biggums:

Yet again exposing yourself. How do you not know when arguably the GOAT draft was? Jordan, Hakeem, Barkley, Stockton etc.

1984. The 85 Bulls won 38 games, they won 27 the year before Jordan got there. They won 30 in 86, Jordan was supposed to miss that whole season due to injury but came back to push into the playoffs. Him arguing against his minutes restriction (IIRC about 15-20 mins per game) was the only way they got in

Learn the history of the game if you’re gonna discuss it. Or at least double check your basketball reference information

[LostCause]

"Checkmate"?

You literally just said Chicago won 8 less games the year Jordan got drafted.

And now, you're claiming they were "better" when sophomore Jordan broke his leg.

Both statements are incorrect, moron.

Wtf was that post even

Lmao

:roll:

These dudes cook themselves

[tpols]

Because he's the goat punching bag

It's the media's fault - they built him up to be something he isn't - LeBubble - like an inflated stock that crashed this year

:facepalm .. a historic year and crash... like 1930.. or 2008



Definition:

Bu bble - when the price of an underlying asset rises far above it's fundamental value

- Nouriel Roubini, "Crisis Economics", 2010


Indeed, the lebron bubble has crashed



:oldlol:


That's a good way of putting it.

LeEnron (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron) basically...

[SpaceJam2]

[QUOTE=LostCause]:biggums:

Yet again exposing yourself. How do you not know when arguably the GOAT draft was? Jordan, Hakeem, Barkley, Stockton etc.

1984. The 85 Bulls won 38 games, they won 27 the year before Jordan got there. They won 30 in 86, Jordan was supposed to miss that whole season due to injury but came back to push into the playoffs. Him arguing against his minutes restriction (IIRC about 15-20 mins per game) was the only way they got in

Learn the history of the game if you

[sdot_thadon]

- 32 year-old MJ led the teetering bulls to the playoffs in 95' when he came back
A very heroic carry job indeed. In the last 17 games those Bulls had to overcome the odds and go 5-12 to make the playoffs......:oldlol:



- 34-year old jordan led the bulls to the 1 seed without Pippen in 98'
This was indeed respectable, but let's not forget he still had the rest of a team that had just won 69 and 72 games the previous 2 seasons. Oh and since this sort of thing matters to guys like you the west had 3 60-win teams that year, the east? 1.


- 22-year old jordan was injured nearly all year, but led the 86' bulls to the 8 seed (9-9 with MJ despite 25 mpg restriction)
My only problem here is he "led" them to a record this year's Lakers already surpassed. In his place this trainwreck of a squad still makes the playoffs.



But lebron's standard 27/7/7 proved impactless outside of his diluted, colluded and "fixed" Eastern Conference.. :oldlol: :facepalm.. what a historic year.. :rockon:
I'd also observe his stats led to the same thing Mj's did later in his career when he didn't have an allstar or all league teammate.....

[LostCause]

Pretty sure he knew MJ was drated in 84 but didnt account for him not playing until 85...

But anyhoo

The **** kind of excuse is this :roll: So basically you're saying he didnt actually know and just got confused by looking at basketball reference? Lmao. Is that your alt?

There's no way around it not showing how little dude actually knows. Even went so far as to say the Bulls were BETTER with Jordan out with a broken leg :roll:

He doesn't know shit. Apparently neither do you to think this was supposed to vindicate him but nice try. Keep it up, y'all are doing great

[TheCorporation]

The **** kind of excuse is this :roll: So basically you're saying he didnt actually know and just got confused by looking at basketball reference? Lmao. Is that your alt?

There's no way around it not showing how little dude actually knows. Even went so far as to say the Bulls were BETTER with Jordan out with a broken leg :roll:

He doesn't know shit. Apparently neither do you to think this was supposed to vindicate him but nice try. Keep it up, y'all are doing great

1-9

[TheCorporation]

A very heroic carry job indeed. In the last 17 games those Bulls had to overcome the odds and go 5-12 to make the playoffs......:oldlol:



This was indeed respectable, but let's not forget he still had the rest of a team that had just won 69 and 72 games the previous 2 seasons. Oh and since this sort of thing matters to guys like you the west had 3 60-win teams that year, the east? 1.


My only problem here is he "led" them to a record this year's Lakers already surpassed. In his place this trainwreck of a squad still makes the playoffs.


I'd also observe his stats led to the same thing Mj's did later in his career when he didn't have an allstar or all league teammate.....

https://i.postimg.cc/KYnny3n6/tenor.gif

[NBASTATMAN]

3ball is an idiot.. :facepalm The Record is 26-27 with Bron..