Gay sex and Adultery Punishable by Death in Brunei

[Patrick Chewing]

Gay sex and adultery will be punishable by stoning to death and thieves will be amputated under 'vicious' new Sharia laws brought in by Brunei (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6855129/Gay-sex-punishable-stoning-death-vicious-new-Sharia-laws-brought-Brunei.html)



Brunei could start whipping or stoning gay people to death next week when strict new laws are introduced, human rights groups have warned.

The tiny oil-rich nation already implements Sharia laws, with homosexuality punishable with up to ten years in prison.

But from the start of next month the government plans to amend the penal code to mean LGBT people and adulterers could be stoned to death, with thieves facing having hands or feet amputated.


Sounds like a wonderful, modernized country.


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[SomeBlackDude]

Sounds like a wonderful, modernized country.




weird, thought brunei was actually one of the more moderate, less fanatical spots for islam.

isn't it top 5-10 on the list of wealthiest countries on the planet?

odd to be that wealthy of a country but also still tryna stone people.

:confusedshrug:

[dunksby]

Gay sex and adultery will be punishable by stoning to death and thieves will be amputated under 'vicious' new Sharia laws brought in by Brunei (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6855129/Gay-sex-punishable-stoning-death-vicious-new-Sharia-laws-brought-Brunei.html)





Sounds like a wonderful, modernized country.


https://geology.com/world/brunei-map.gif
Shit, another country you cannot travel to Pat :banghead:

[highwhey]

OP is fuming because he can't travel to Brunei and get some d1ck :roll:

[Patrick Chewing]

Ya'll laugh and it's all fun and games now, but I'm sure one of these days down the road they'll have obesity laws, Alan. Keep your eyes peeled.

[Kblaze8855]

Gay sex was still illegal in much of the US till a 2003 supreme court ruling. Quite a few states still refuse to change their local laws)though enforcing them is federally illegal). Its all the states you would assume and then 2-3 you wouldnt. As late as 1986 the supreme court was fine with it:



Chief Justice Warren E. Burger cited the “ancient roots” of prohibitions against homosexual sex, quoting William Blackstone’s description of homosexual sex as an “infamous crime against nature”, worse than rape, and “a crime not fit to be named”. Burger concluded: “To hold that the act of homosexual sodomy is somehow protected as a fundamental right would be to cast aside millennia of moral teaching.”



When they finally overturned it in 03 several of them were still cool with it:


Scalia arguing against the decision to overturn sodomy laws:



Today's opinion is the product of a Court, which is the product of a law-profession culture, that has largely signed on to the so-called homosexual agenda, by which I mean the agenda promoted by some homosexual activists directed at eliminating the moral opprobrium that has traditionally attached to homosexual conduct. ... [T]he Court has taken sides in the culture war, departing from its role of assuring, as neutral observer, that the democratic rules of engagement are observed.

So imbued is the Court with the law profession's anti-anti-homosexual culture, that it is seemingly unaware that the attitudes of that culture are not obviously "mainstream"; that in most States what the Court calls "discrimination" against those who engage in homosexual acts is perfectly legal.


Im not sure that the bible belt wouldnt still ban homosexual sex if the federal government allowed it. Im quite sure it wouldnt rise to the point of stoning or anything...but in the Carolinas you used to be able to get 60 years for it.

****ed up world we have. The more serious the people running your country are about the old books that govern their lives the more ****ed up it gets.

[highwhey]

Ya'll laugh and it's all fun and games now, but I'm sure one of these days down the road they'll have obesity laws, Alan. Keep your eyes peeled.
:oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

Im not sure that the bible belt wouldnt still ban homosexual sex if the federal government allowed it. Im quite sure it wouldnt rise to the point of stoning or anything...but in the Carolinas you used to be able to get 60 years for it.

****ed up world we have. The more serious the people running your country are about the old books that govern their lives the more ****ed up it gets.


There is no way in hell that in 2019, that would even come across the minds of the most devout Christian out there. Look at the uproar that was caused when a baker refused to bake a cake for a gay wedding.


What concerns me more is that we are seeing this pop up more and more with that "other religion" and the rest of the world is still in a slumber after the Holocaust it seems, or is frankly too damn afraid to confront it. When we have hundreds of SJ groups and anti-defamation groups in this country making it damn near impossible to look at someone the wrong way without being labeled a bigot, and then you have stories like this on the complete opposite end of the spectrum, you know our society is crumbling and all reason and rationality is being thrown out the window. The excuse of blaming it on the old books only goes so far.

[Hawker]

Gay sex was still illegal in much of the US till a 2003 supreme court ruling. Quite a few states still refuse to change their local laws)though enforcing them is federally illegal). Its all the states you would assume and then 2-3 you wouldnt. As late as 1986 the supreme court was fine with it:






When they finally overturned it in 03 several of them were still cool with it:


Scalia arguing against the decision to overturn sodomy laws:





Im not sure that the bible belt wouldnt still ban homosexual sex if the federal government allowed it. Im quite sure it wouldnt rise to the point of stoning or anything...but in the Carolinas you used to be able to get 60 years for it.

****ed up world we have. The more serious the people running your country are about the old books that govern their lives the more ****ed up it gets.

You're not seriously trying to equate the US to Brunei are you?

Stories like this is why it's incorrect to try and say, "Islam and Christianity are the same." Brunei is always claimed as some type of moderate muslim country as well.

[tpols]

You're not seriously trying to equate the US to Brunei are you?

Stories like this is why it's incorrect to try and say, "Islam and Christianity are the same." Brunei is always claimed as some type of moderate muslim country as well.


They're two peas in the same pod... But probably right on where these deviancies lead society.

[Patrick Chewing]

They're two peas in the same pod... But probably right on where these deviancies lead society.


So you're putting modern day Christianity on par with modern day Islam and Sharia Law?


How many stonings and dismemberments did the Vatican sanction last year?

[Smoke117]

I could get down with stoning queers to death...but the no alcohol thing? Deal breaker.

[egokiller]

I could get down with stoning queers to death...but the no alcohol thing? Deal breaker.

With the support of ISH, we could handle no alcohol. Handle anything really. It would suck, but our ISH brethren would see us through :applause:

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Evil deeds, painful consequences.

[Patrick Chewing]

Evil deeds, painful consequences.



There you have it, folks.




I rest my case.

[coin24]

Maybe they can take all the Muslim migrants back there.. they can live in paradise stoning gays, not drinking, praying 5 times a day and banging there cousins dressed in a tent..

Amazing how generations of inbreeding can keep people so stupid to live like it's 2000 years ago. If you don't believe then no virgins for you and eternal fire:lol :facepalm

[Kblaze8855]

There is no way in hell that in 2019, that would even come across the minds of the most devout Christian out there. Look at the uproar that was caused when a baker refused to bake a cake for a gay wedding.


You're not seriously trying to equate the US to Brunei are you?

To the first point...of course it would. You would just probably say those people arent true christians because you decide who counts and who doesnt. It wouldnt even have been that rare an opinion to hear in public not long ago.

The school up the street(Bob Jones university where all the major republicans around here speak and quite a few presidents) has been talking outlandish shit all my life. Its just worded nicer now to minimize outrage. It wasnt until like....9/11 or so that interracial dating didnt get you kicked out of there. Their current president flat out said gays should be stoned to death in accordance with the Bible. Only changed that stance in 2015 when obviously....it was no longer cool to admit it. You think he changed 70 years of belief...or did he realize you cant say things like that in modern days?

As for equating the US to these places...

Obviously right now the US is better for a gay person than anywhere in the middle east. Nobody with the beginnings of a brain disputes that.

But we also have to acknowledge that no place is only morally what is it at this second. Older people think of a country as all its been...not just what they see right now. Women could drive in Saudi Arabia as of last summer but that doesnt mean the people who allowed a situation where they couldnt just died or that its a fundamentally more just society of people.

America was never a muslim country but gay sex was something you could be executed for at one point and un till the 60s? The lightest penalty in the country was 3 months in jail...the harshest was 20 to life.

This is the actual law as written in my state TODAY:



SECTION 16-15-120. Buggery.

Whoever shall commit the abominable crime of buggery, whether with mankind or with beast, shall, on conviction, be guilty of felony and shall be imprisoned in the Penitentiary for five years or shall pay a fine of not less than five hundred dollars, or both, at the discretion of the court.


Check your states laws. Let me know if its in there. It an awful lot of them it is.

There have been calls to change them for years but modern Americans refuse on general principle even though in 03 it was finally made unconstitutional(against the wishes of Scalia and Thomas as I said).

People absolutely still have these feelings. Conservatives. Some people from the left. Black...white...whoever. Not about party. People DO still think its a moral issue and plenty would back stiffer laws but in 2019 you cant say it from any official capacity without being torn down by the PC police.

Doesnt mean people dont feel that way.

You cant publicly advocate for segregated dances but they still happen in the south to this day. A school in Georgia got called out for still having white exclusive proms and an all invited prom in 2013 which the students had to boycott and finally have an integrated one of their own...the first in that schools history. Happens all the time in georgia. You think the advocates for it are gonna be on the news admitting it was them and defending it?


The primary difference is in America.....people take their faith waaaaaaay less serious. But the nutjobs who take the bible literally are at times pretty dangerous just as the muslims too serious about the Koran.

Muslims, jews, and christians are all telling a version of the same story that just has a different end point. Muslims take it most serious in my experience but you go to some of these southern churches ive been in and the idea that Biblical law should apply is hardly foreign.

You would learn that people do think this way in 2019 in 5 minutes asking questions in a southern revival. My father was a pastor. My grandma a sunday school teacher for 40+ years. Think maybe I deal with these people a bit?

A LOT of Christian black people(older crowd mostly) would be down with stoning gays. I cant speak from personal experience about as many southern whites but I can on a few. My friend steve and his wife are fine with it. Same people talk up the Tower of babel to justify being against racial mixing just like Bob Jones does. Youre never gonna see Steve and Dawn on tv.

But they exist. And im not even calling him a bad guy. He is as devoted a father as I know....he served his country and still is in the reserve...he works hard...everything about him says "Decent guy" to me.....except...he takes the bible too literally.

These people are out there in good numbers. But at this moment there arent enough to make laws. But there have been times...in my life...where they were. A country doesnt swap out its entire moral fiber in this short a time.

We are on the subject of gays where America was on civil rights in like...the 70s and 80s. Massive progress have been made but we are still close enough to the dark times that all the old people remember a very different world.

Its just hard to imagine for young people who dont remember any world but the one they have. The chief justice of the supreme court called gay sex an infamous crime against nature worse than rape.....while Hakeem was facing bird in the finals. Thats a long time ago but its not THAT long ago. Rehnquist, Scalia, and Thomas were voting to uphold anti gay state laws from the 50s as recently as the 2000s. They just couldnt win anymore so they were limited to explain it in the dissenting opinion.


Lets be clear...America has changed. But America is more than its practices of this very second. Theres a reason so many states(17) wont actually vote to change their sodomy laws even though they are toothless. They could get rid of them in a 35 minute vote but dont do it on general principle. Ive heard the local politicians talk about it. They dont want to vote against "traditional" values.

It will be some time before all these people are gone. Luckly...they are contained in a democracy where most people are ashamed to be seen with them.

Im just saying...they are out there. I can take you to them in Mt.Pleasant Baptist church right up the road from me.

[Kblaze8855]

By the way I was riding with my mom and my(17 year old) nice who talked about a gay friend...then said she had 3 pansexual friends as well. My mom was on some serious "WTF?" shit clearly uncomfortable with it and I admit....I had to come home and google it. I figured it was gay straight or bi. I didnt know what the **** pansexual was or that we had so many kids claiming to be it.

The kids now are raised so accepting....almost all these feelings might be gone in 30 years. But my mom looked at her and was shocked. Talked about how gay kids wouldnt admit it in her day like....with pride.

My mother would NEVER sanction the stoning of anyone to be clear...but its that generation and older who came up when saying so wouldnt have been that out of line.

I had some less than liberal thoughts about my niece having a gang of gay and pan sexual and bisexual friends and wondered where all of them came from when we had at best 2 openly gay kids when I was her age...but I kept it to myself.

America is in the "Keep it to yourself" point not a "Nobody thinks anything ****ed up about gays" point.

[highwhey]

By the way I was riding with my mom and my(17 year old) nice who talked about a gay friend...then said she had 3 pansexual friends as well. My mom was on some serious "WTF?" shit clearly uncomfortable with it and I admit....I had to come home and google it. I figured it was gay straight or bi. I didnt know what the **** pansexual was or that we had so many kids claiming to be it.

The kids now are raised so accepting....almost all these feelings might be gone in 30 years. But my mom looked at her and was shocked. Talked about how gay kids wouldnt admit it in her day like....with pride.

My mother would NEVER sanction the stoning of anyone to be clear...but its that generation and older who came up when saying so wouldnt have been that out of line.

I had some less than liberal thoughts about my niece having a gang of gay and pan sexual and bisexual friends and wondered where all of them came from when we had at best 2 openly gay kids when I was her age...but I kept it to myself.

America is in the "Keep it to yourself" point not a "Nobody thinks anything ****ed up about gays" point.
the end is definitely near https://i.postimg.cc/kXq4DHJ4/what.png

[tpols]

does that mean they like to **** pans?

[Kblaze8855]

It pretty much means you will **** whatever. Like....a pansexual guy might be attracted to a lesbian...or pansexual girl might want to be with a gay man. It just means you will be attracted to personality not gender or sexuality even.

What I dont get....why not just call it bi? But ive learned not to go down that path.

Im sure she would have explained it to me like im an idiot though. SHe straight up has at least 5 gay and pansexual friends...then bi friends who ARENT pansexual. I dont get it....but im not supposed to I guess. That isnt my generation.

But if its like that at Hillcrest high in South Carolina I cant imagine whats going on in more liberal areas.

[Kblaze8855]

Article:



No, it’s not a sexual attraction to cooking vessels, nor is it simply some newfangled term the kids are using these days.

Pansexuality, loosely defined as attraction to all genders, is an identity label that a significant portion of the LGBTQ community has adopted in recent years. According to Human Rights Campaign’s (HRC) 2017 LGBTQ Teen Survey, the number of youth who identify as pansexual has doubled since 2012, with 14 percent of youth respondents embracing the descriptor and 34 percent identifying as bisexual. A similar HRC survey in 2012 reported only 7 percent of individuals identifying as pansexual, while 38 percent identified as bisexual.

The term has also seen a recent surge in visibility from celebrities like Janelle Monae, Miley Cyrus, Angel Haze, Sara Ramirez, Sia, and others who proudly embrace the label and the fluidity it represents.

As pansexuality has gained visibility in recent years, some have described the term as a rejection of the label “bisexual,” arguing that the latter indicates attraction to only male and female genders and excludes non-binary and transgender people. Some have even called bisexual identity transphobic, which raises vehement objections among both bi- and pan-identified community leaders.


I dont know whats going on....but if thats accurate and its a good chunk of high school kids claiming it....I guess it explains how she knows so many. I was wondering what kinda groups she ran with to find all of them....but apparently there are a huge number.

I bet she has more pansexuals in her school than I had Asian kids back in the day so....having 2-3 in your circle isnt that odd.

I dont know when it happened but she said it like it was the most natural thing in the world. Like she was telling me her friend was in spanish classes or something.

She isnt gay....shes very much in love with some boy shes "dated" since 9th grade who apparently wants to marry her. But she has so many gay, bi, and pan friends she doesnt even see it as unusual. I dont know when the switch flipped but....the gay or bi kids are perfectly normal to see now.

We all had THE gay kid or maybe a couple...now its pansexuals by the bowl full.

[Patrick Chewing]

KBlaze, please provide me the abridged version. You just always manage to write way too much.


But I just want to make you aware that you have a fellow Muslim (who portrays himself as a Moderate Pacifist) in this very thread approve of this type of punishment.

I don

[Kblaze8855]

If you dont want to talk just dont. I gave your topic the thought I felt the situation deserved. If you feel a one liner is more appropriate I can give you an emoji and call you a name and you can stop pretending you actually want to inspire discussion and not just talk about Muslims being evil.

[Kblaze8855]

And as I said if you think chrsitians dont have these beliefs you just arent caring to look. Heres the opinion of one from the first interview I stumbled over....



“As far as homosexuality goes, you know, I believe the Bible puts the death penalty on it,” he said. “I believe it’s disgusting.”

Fiction asked Powell, who is not an ordained minister, to clarify his death penalty comment.

“We’re not a theocracy in this country, so you don’t believe that gay people should be stoned to death, do you?” Fiction said.

“I believe the Bible puts the death penalty on it,” Powell said. “Obviously, not by me or anybody in a regular society… I believe it’s the government’s job to execute criminals. I believe that the Bible says clearly that homosexuality is a criminal crime. It’s a crime. It’s one of the worst crimes ever.”

“Is that what you’re advocating for?” Fiction asked. “That our government should stone gays to death to execute them?”

“By whatever means they execute people,” Powell responded. “And obviously, I believe in humane, you know, putting to death.”

That is essentially what my friend Steve would tell you. And hes not like....a psycho. He just believes the bible is to be taken literally. And his wife is worse than him(though she cheated on him when he was in Kuwait).

Ive learned not to raise biblical issues.

[Patrick Chewing]

If you dont want to talk just dont. I gave your topic the thought I felt the situation deserved. If you feel a one liner is more appropriate I can give you an emoji and call you a name and you can stop pretending you actually want to inspire discussion and not just talk about Muslims being evil.


Killing people because of their sexual orientation is evil!


The hell does that have to do with Christianity?? A Muslim member of this board basically championed this idea, and here you are talking about some Christian sentiment you came across some years ago. Pathetic.

[Kblaze8855]

I talked to steve today. A mutual friend of ours was found dead....

Whatever though.

Real discussions on the issue of religious fanaticism arent apparently what youre after. i'll leave you to trade one liners that disregard the fundamental issue which is people who take this shit too serious being dangerous in positions of power.

I'll leave it at this....we are lucky the hardcore Christians cant come to power here. The American base of moderates from both sides of the spectrum would never allow it. Muslim countries are probably 90/10 "Dead mother****ing serious" vs legit moderate. America is probably 5/95. And its for the best.

I wouldnt want to live in a country run by either group. They still have laws on the books in my state that someone cant hold public office without believing in god. Its just nicely contained where it cant be enforced. Where you find wacky Christians you find downright insane laws. America is just tolerant enough to not let them enforce it. Not enough that the laws get removed though.

The difference between the wacky Christians and Muslims....is the percentages. Muslims in a country with a great enough majority to not be shamed for it do not **** around.

[highwhey]

I talked to steve today. A mutual friend of ours was found dead....

damn, was he an ISH member? sorry to hear about your loss.

[Kblaze8855]

Nah. One of steves military buddies he brought to work with us for a couple years around 2012. Guy was a marine. Found dead by his daughter today. Not sure what happened. He was like 46.

Has me wanting to go get a checkup.

[Hawker]

And as I said if you think chrsitians dont have these beliefs you just arent caring to look. Heres the opinion of one from the first interview I stumbled over....




That is essentially what my friend Steve would tell you. And hes not like....a psycho. He just believes the bible is to be taken literally. And his wife is worse than him(though she cheated on him when he was in Kuwait).

Ive learned not to raise biblical issues.

Right but it is enough for it to be law in the US? That's really the difference. There's absolutely levels to this and to claim any kind of equivalency is just disingenuous and trying too hard to be "edgy."

The culture likes to claim the extremists in Islam is a small minority - do you believe this to be extremism or no?

[Kblaze8855]

Right but it is enough for it to be law in the US? That's really the difference.

Who are you even talking to right now? I said:




I'll leave it at this....we are lucky the hardcore Christians cant come to power here. The American base of moderates from both sides of the spectrum would never allow it. Muslim countries are probably 90/10 "Dead mother****ing serious" vs legit moderate. America is probably 5/95. And its for the best.


Obviously right now the US is better for a gay person than anywhere in the middle east. Nobody with the beginnings of a brain disputes that.



Im not sure that the bible belt wouldnt still ban homosexual sex if the federal government allowed it. Im quite sure it wouldnt rise to the point of stoning or anything...but in the Carolinas you used to be able to get 60 years for it.



There's absolutely levels to this and to claim any kind of equivalency is just disingenuous and trying too hard to be "edgy."

Of course there are levels....which is why I pointed out the differences. Edgy? Only if telling the truth is edgy. Im told:



There is no way in hell that in 2019, that would even come across the minds of the most devout Christian out there.

Which is factually incorrect. You know it. I know it. He probably knows it. We all know the Westboro baptist church but I chose not to use them....and instead go with people I know personally. People ive ridden in trucks with and discussed politics and faith and life to better understand eachother.

The idea that Christians would never think these things is flat out untrue and there is nothing edgy about being honest about that. You are the one manufacturing something to argue with pretending I didnt make it very clear the ratio is different between muslims and christians and that its obviously better to be gay in America because of that.


The culture likes to claim the extremists in Islam is a small minority - do you believe this to be extremism or no?

That depends on if when you say extremist...you mean of humans in general...or among Muslims. I think you could say the kind of nuts who want Islamic and old testament laws followed today are extremists by the standards of normal people. Making the scale muslims only? Id imagine the people in favor of it would be fairly common making the extremists the outright terrorists blowing shit up.

Its all relative.

I dont think believing in Islamic law makes a muslim an extremist among them. I think it probably makes him an extremist among people who generally believe the god of Abraham exists(so all Jews, Christians, and Muslims). But if half the people in question think what you do...you arent extreme. If you are one of the less than 1 percent who will strap on a bomb....thats extreme....relative to the people in question.

I have a guy coming into work later who is Palestinian. He hates terrorists and cringes every time he hears about some new muslim attack. But would he be in favor of stoning gays? I dont know. We never discussed it. I think hed answer me honestly but its not really the kinda thing you walk up to a subordinate and ask you know?

I'll see if I can get it out of him without a direct question later. If he answers ill tell you. Maybe ill raise the issue of my niece knowing a gang of pansexuals and see how that goes....

[Patrick Chewing]

All KBlizzle has to say is that it's horrific and an outrage at what's happening in Brunei, but instead he's going on the "all religions have their extremes" diatribe that most people do to skirt the issue. And any Muslim who agrees with Sharia Law is just as guilty as the governments that implement it.

[nathanjizzle]

Pat, aren't you the one that said you would shoot and kill black teenagers for stepping on to your property? :roll:

[Patrick Chewing]

Pat, aren't you the one that said you would shoot and kill black teenagers for stepping on to your property? :roll:


Wrong guy. But, if you're on my property, regardless of skin color, we're going to have problems.

[nathanjizzle]

Wrong guy. But, if you're on my property, regardless of skin color, we're going to have problems.

then you would have created your own problem. sort of like zimmerman. people stepping on your property isnt an automatic problem. neither is being black walking around a neighborhood. but it can be if you create one out of it.

[Patrick Chewing]

then you would have created your own problem. sort of like zimmerman. people stepping on your property isnt an automatic problem. neither is being black walking around a neighborhood. but it can be if you create one out of it.


When does it not constitute a problem?


If I come home and there is someone in my house (my property), how did I create my own problem? That's what I'm referring to here.

Or let's say a neighbor parks his car on my property, or runs over my lawn every time he gets home or leaves his house. That's a problem I created?

[Kblaze8855]

All KBlizzle has to say is that it's horrific and an outrage at what's happening in Brunei, but instead he's going on the "all religions have their extremes" diatribe that most people do to skirt the issue. And any Muslim who agrees with Sharia Law is just as guilty as the governments that implement it.


You really should know not to post things on a forum here for discussion when you don

[Kblaze8855]

And far as the idea that people are guilty of the actions of those they agree with? Put 10 seconds of thought into that and say you really believe it.

See if you can imagine some problems that runs you into.

[nathanjizzle]

When does it not constitute a problem?


If I come home and there is someone in my house (my property), how did I create my own problem? That's what I'm referring to here.

Or let's say a neighbor parks his car on my property, or runs over my lawn every time he gets home or leaves his house. That's a problem I created?

how about some black teenagers ringing your doorbell to raise money for their basketball team? or for help?


https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/12/us/michigan-man-shooting-at-teen-asking-directions/index.html

[TheMan]

A man boning another man up his ass is as disgusting and unnatural as it gets, sorry. Its filthy and perverse and goes against the very survival of our species, it is no minor thing.

As a Catholic, stoning ******s to death is a bit harsh, maybe 30 lashes so they rethink their evil ways...

One thing is to accept gays as humans with rights equal to the rest of us, that I can get behind (no pun intended), another is to try to promote that lifestyle as normal because its not.

I guess what I'm saying is to keep that shit to yourself, don't flaunt your unnatural sexual preferences but whatever, its Sodom and Gomorrah all over again :facepalm

[Patrick Chewing]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]You really should know not to post things on a forum here for discussion when you don

[Patrick Chewing]

how about some black teenagers ringing your doorbell to raise money for their basketball team? or for help?


https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/12/us/michigan-man-shooting-at-teen-asking-directions/index.html


So which one is it now? You're moving the goal posts here. Am I the one shooting black teenagers? Or do you want to talk about current events?


And if you want to talk about current events, in which of my previous replies did I say or insinuate that shooting at Black teenagers that ring your doorbell is justified in any way? When did I insinuate that shooting anyone that rings your doorbell is justified?

[egokiller]

At the end of the day, someone who performs gay sex or adultery has to deal with the fact that there is a country out there where what they are doing is punishable by death.

Again... read is slowly.

A group of people in a country feels so strongly, that they punish you by death for doing those things.

Read it again. Keep reading it until it gets through your thick skull, and then read it again.

Accept it and know that there is nothing you can do about it. Know that someone who does the same shit but just in another country is paying for it with their life. Now think fvcking twice the next time you decide to do something that people in other countries get punishable by death for.

"But I'm all the way over here...."

Wrong, you missed the point. Bottom line is that other HUMANS feel so strongly that those actions result in death. That's all you need to know.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/95301cebc3b1e6edb52d9a9eae5dc6f7/tenor.gif

[Patrick Chewing]

Throwing the totality and the numbers of the Holocaust out, how is this any different than the Holocaust?


A group of people being executed because of who they are. The level of outrage across the globe is quite minimal....again.

[egokiller]

Throwing the totality and the numbers of the Holocaust out, how is this any different than the Holocaust?


A group of people being executed because of who they are. The level of outrage across the globe is quite minimal....again.

Committing the act of adultery is "being who you are"?

No, it's called being a fvck up... a little pu55y more or less who's not even man enough to stand by one's own word, stand by the vows one took.

[Patrick Chewing]

Committing the act of adultery is "being who you are"?

No, it's called being a fvck up... a little pu55y more or less who's not even man enough to stand by one's own word, stand by the vows one took.


And this should be punishable by death? Same with homosexuality? And you guys call yourselves Progressives, right?

[Kblaze8855]

You gave me a thoughtful answer on the feelings of the Old South. How does that apply to what is transpiring across the Islamic world in 2019? What Christian stronghold in the Old South is on that cusp of public executions cause they found out someone was a homosexual? What state is on the cusp of introducing that type of punishment into their government? That is the crux of the matter here. This incessant need to look at one fact, disregard it, and start talking about something else with some vague attempt at establishing some type of connection. Which in turn diminishes the importance of the original topic of which we should be discussing. You can write pages upon pages worth about people you know, or of how things were, but that means nothing here.


You mentioned it in comparison to a modern country. You said people in 2019 do not think that way. Which is why other situations are relevant. Why other people are relevant. You act like its something that can only manifest itself in a muslim country because modern christians dont think these things. IT just...as a matter of fact...isnt true. What you said...is in fact...not true. And I mentioned the people I know because...I know them. Im not gonna google 500 people on the internet and give you their opinions.

I bring you the thoughts of actual living modern people I know personally and discuss it with....because I know them well enough to give an accurate representation of their beliefs.

The basic problem is adherence to these absurd belief systems all of which are fairly similar. The more closely you follow it....live by it...take it as indisputable word of god and something to follow...the more dangerous you are.

Which is why I long ago and in this topic acknowledged that muslims have a worse ratio of dangerous fanatics to normal people because they take it all too serious. But when we get into things like only they think this or that....the fact that others do in smaller ratios is relevant.

Its all a mystery to me. This issue is just the most obvious problem with an overall shitty system.....which is letting these things determine how you treat people.

Obviously its wrong to kill people for being gay. I also find it wrong to make gay sex illegal. Both wrong. Clearly different degrees....but symptomatic of the same illness. The muslims show worse symptoms but this:



As a Catholic, stoning ******s to death is a bit harsh, maybe 30 lashes so they rethink their evil ways...


....is the same disease.

[Kblaze8855]

Throwing the totality and the numbers of the Holocaust out, how is this any different than the Holocaust?


A group of people being executed because of who they are. The level of outrage across the globe is quite minimal....again.


Id say morally it isnt any better than the holocaust.

If they got the numbers together at one time and started putting them in ovens and death camps id like to think the world wouldnt stand for it.

Its kinda like modern slavery. We all know human trafficking exists. If we found out about a system of camps killing and enslaving girls by the millions that could be found and liberated through simple military action....I dont think the world would hesitate.

You cant fight a single military. A liberate camps and all.

You arent sending the US military to invade another country risking thousands of lives to stop each case of a gay guy being abused or even killed. Your own country wouldnt stand for it.

You need them all at once with a clear target to take out. It would take a holocaust level systematic killing of gays to get a nation to declare war and end it.

Here and there? Not a big enough splash. You can pretend you dont see it. Call for investigation and all. You need it on a large scale in the worlds eye to create the kinda outrage youre looking for.

[TheMan]

You mentioned it in comparison to a modern country. You said people in 2019 do not think that way. Which is why other situations are relevant. Why other people are relevant. You act like its something that can only manifest itself in a muslim country because modern christians dont think these things. IT just...as a matter of fact...isnt true. What you said...is in fact...not true. And I mentioned the people I know because...I know them. Im not gonna google 500 people on the internet and give you their opinions.

I bring you the thoughts of actual living modern people I know personally and discuss it with....because I know them well enough to give an accurate representation of their beliefs.

The basic problem is adherence to these absurd belief systems all of which are fairly similar. The more closely you follow it....live by it...take it as indisputable word of god and something to follow...the more dangerous you are.

Which is why I long ago and in this topic acknowledged that muslims have a worse ratio of dangerous fanatics to normal people because they take it all too serious. But when we get into things like only they think this or that....the fact that others do in smaller ratios is relevant.

Its all a mystery to me. This issue is just the most obvious problem with an overall shitty system.....which is letting these things determine how you treat people.

Obviously its wrong to kill people for being gay. I also find it wrong to make gay sex illegal. Both wrong. Clearly different degrees....but symptomatic of the same illness. The muslims just show worse symptoms.

But this:





....is the same disease.
I clearly said stoning a twink to death is not ok, the 30 lashes was a tongue in cheek poke to Islam.

Gays should be able to live their lives in peace but should not go around trying to normalize fggot behavior.

[egokiller]

I clearly said stoning a twink to death is not ok, the 30 lashes was a tongue in cheek poke to Islam.

Gays should be able to live their lives in peace but should not go around trying to normalize fggot behavior.

This

[red1]

OP confirming again that he has zero life. Don't you ever get bored?

[Patrick Chewing]

OP confirming again that he has zero life. Don't you ever get bored?


I know you don't like the negative attention on Islam, but this is kind of a big deal. So put your big boy pants on.

Do you support or condemn this? Answer truthfully.


I mean, I already know your answer, but I want to see you type the words on your screen.

[egokiller]

I know you don't like the negative attention on Islam, but this is kind of a big deal. So put your big boy pants on.

Do you support or condemn this? Answer truthfully.


I mean, I already know your answer, but I want to see you type the words on your screen.

Dafuq would his opinion matter so much to you though? Shit it could be MJ himself posting an opinion and you shouldn't have such a high desire to want to see someone type the words on their screen that badly. What gives?

[Patrick Chewing]

Dafuq would his opinion matter so much to you though? Shit it could be MJ himself posting an opinion and you shouldn't have such a high desire to want to see someone type the words on their screen that badly. What gives?


I could ask the same of all of you that replied to this thread. Let me ask you a question. Were the Nazi's bad people? Did they deserve the attention they got?


His opinion doesn't matter much, no. But his opinion also reinforces the notion that Moderate Muslims are a myth. Most of them support Sharia. Most of them hate Jews. And most of them have no problem with the execution of homosexuals or adulterers. Most of them agree with dismemberment as punishment for theft.


The Nazi's committed atrocities. So does Islam.

[egokiller]

The Nazi's committed atrocities. So does Islam.

Right, and I don't think anyone in their right mind can honestly say there's much difference between the two in terms of how wrongful their life decisions are.

[red1]

I know you don't like the negative attention on Islam, but this is kind of a big deal. So put your big boy pants on.

Do you support or condemn this? Answer truthfully.


I mean, I already know your answer, but I want to see you type the words on your screen.
I know that you claim to be a christian - what is your background? I mean your ethnicity or country your ancestors are from?


Muslims don't like gays - we already know this. How does that affect your life exactly Fatrick, my dear friend? I already know the answer I just want you to put your big boy pants on and provide me an answer.

[Smoke117]

Stoning someone to death sure seems like a lot of work when you could just punch and kick them to death. Better yet, use a bat. :confusedshrug:

[red1]

Stoning someone to death sure seems like a lot of work when you could just punch and kick them to death. Better yet, use a bat. :confusedshrug:
Agreed. We can test the most effective method on Patrick and get to the "bottom" of it all pun intended because patrick is gay like really really gay and he seems like the receptive type.

[Patrick Chewing]

Muslims don't like gays - we already know this. How does that affect your life exactly Fatrick, my dear friend?


So clearly you refuse to condemn flat out murder under Sharia.


I just want to do my part and show the world how vile and inhuman that religion is, and you and J$ are proving my point. You're no better than the Nazi's who senselessly murdered millions of Jews.


You've been exposed bro. Hateful ****ing rats that you are. You've admitted you guys are quite bigoted and homophobic. But you want to cry to the rest of the world about how Islamophobic everyone else is. :oldlol: :roll:

Who do you think you're fooling??

[red1]

I could ask the same of all of you that replied to this thread. Let me ask you a question. Were the Nazi's bad people? Did they deserve the attention they got?


His opinion doesn't matter much, no. But his opinion also reinforces the notion that Moderate Muslims are a myth. Most of them support Sharia. Most of them hate Jews. And most of them have no problem with the execution of homosexuals or adulterers. Most of them agree with dismemberment as punishment for theft.


The Nazi's committed atrocities. So does Islam.
I'm so proud of you Patrick finally standing up and fighting for something glad to see that you're championing the causes of the downtrodden in society standing up for your fellow human beings.


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11794122&postcount=12

Oh shit he just hates muzzies never mind.

[red1]

So clearly you refuse to condemn flat out murder under Sharia.


I just want to do my part and show the world how vile and inhuman that religion is, and you and J$ are proving my point. You're no better than the Nazi's who senselessly murdered millions of Jews.


You've been exposed bro. Hateful ****ing rats that you are. You've admitted you guys are quite bigoted and homophobic. But you want to cry to the rest of the world about how Islamophobic everyone else is. :oldlol: :roll:

Who do you think you're fooling??
you've been posting your dislike of muslims for years and yeah maybe you are right about a few things but it doesn't change the fact that you are just a salty loser ass bitch who complains and whines and has zero positive intentions


acting like you care about the rights of gays in southeast asia :roll:




you're a ****ing joke patrick. a fat ugly joke.

[Patrick Chewing]

you've been posting your dislike of muslims for years and yeah maybe you are right about a few things but it doesn't change the fact that you are just a salty loser ass bitch who complains and whines and has zero positive intentions


acting like you care about the rights of gays in southeast asia :roll:




you're a ****ing joke patrick. a fat ugly joke.


Religious beliefs aside, how can you call yourself a human being if you wish for the death of another? How could God ever want that from you?

You don't think much of it now because you life in the comforts of the Western World, but let's hypothetically say Sharia found its way across the pond, you would support the killing of homosexuals? Under God?

You cannot get all up in arms when American soldiers are sent to the Middle East to kill terrorists as you guys always do, but stay mum on the fact that governments are killing their own people solely because of their sexual orientation.

[red1]

Religious beliefs aside, how can you call yourself a human being if you wish for the death of another? How could God ever want that from you?

You don't think much of it now because you life in the comforts of the Western World, but let's hypothetically say Sharia found its way across the pond, you would support the killing of homosexuals? Under God?
I already told I don't want Sharia in canada or the west. I want secular laws that protect human rights.

I'm not gay myself and I don't want my children to be homosexual if I could beat it out of my son I would, hopefully I have that option. That doesn't mean that I'm trying to murder homosexuals during my lunch break or whenever I have a quick minute.


Now you answer my questions bitch. What's your background? What country are your ancestors from? Why do you only criticize muslims? Why are you blind to the many atrocities being commited against gays - for instance by your fellow christians in russia? Christians who may practice under a different denomination but are still your fellow christians so they are just as culpable, at least according to you.

Why aren't you outraged by the all of the innocent children that the catholic priests diddled over the decades and presumably centuries?


Why is it that you only post about muslims? Why is it always negative?

[coin24]

I wish religion wasn't talked about so much it's sickening the hatred and divide it causes. They're all the same bulshit.

[sick_brah07]

There is no way in hell that in 2019, that would even come across the minds of the most devout Christian out there. Look at the uproar that was caused when a baker refused to bake a cake for a gay wedding.


What concerns me more is that we are seeing this pop up more and more with that "other religion" and the rest of the world is still in a slumber after the Holocaust it seems, or is frankly too damn afraid to confront it. When we have hundreds of SJ groups and anti-defamation groups in this country making it damn near impossible to look at someone the wrong way without being labeled a bigot, and then you have stories like this on the complete opposite end of the spectrum, you know our society is crumbling and all reason and rationality is being thrown out the window. The excuse of blaming it on the old books only goes so far.


this is true whether people like it or not

[Patrick Chewing]

I already told I don't want Sharia in canada or the west. I want secular laws that protect human rights.

I'm not gay myself and I don't want my children to be homosexual if I could beat it out of my son I would, hopefully I have that option.

Why is it that you only post about muslims? Why is it always negative?


You don't want Sharia in the West, but you strike me as the type of Muslim who would allow it to flourish and take place if it did find its way over here. Under the will of Allah if a Western society adopted Sharia, would you rebel against it? Would you move? Or would you succumb to it and be another cog in the wheel?

Do you not believe in free will? You would literally attempt to beat the gay out of your son? I'm no fan of homosexuality, but violence begets violence and that is never the answer.

Lastly, can you tell me a positive story or movement that is coming out of Islam? If you can, I'll talk about it. But for now, that part of the world and that religion is a threat to humanity. My two cents.

[RRR3]

Heard about this.

It

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Lastly, can you tell me a positive story or movement that is coming out of Islam? If you can, I'll talk about it. But for now, that part of the world and that religion is a threat to humanity. My two cents.


British Muslims give the most charity
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/british-muslims-charity-commission-faith-donation-ramadan-a7149826.html

Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan extended the olive branch to maintain peace between Pakistan and India

Green movements
https://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/2012/04/green-muslims-eco-islam-and-evolving-climate-change-consciousness/

People preparing to abstain from food and drink and intercourse for 30 days in order to increase in their consciousness of God and in order to feed the poor

The fact that hunting animals for sport is banned in Islam

The fact that interest/usury (which makes the rich richer and the poor poorer) is forbidden in Islam, and charity is required--for mankind's welfare

The fact that good manners is stressed and the greeting Muslims use is "peace be upon you"

The fact that arrogance is hated and humility is beloved

The fact that Muslims pray a MINIMUM of five times a day and perhaps for the welfare of all of humanity shows how deeply precious is the connection between man and God

The fact that the "Akhirah" (Afterlife) is stressed in the Qu'ran over and over and over again--synchronizes well with the fact that Isa (AS)/Jesus mentioned the Kingdom of Heaven in his sermons.


By the way there are a LOT OF WOMEN OUT there who are unmarried and would like the opportunity to be wives and mothers. People choosing to be gay wrecks not only their own lives but the lives of women too.

[Hawker]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Heard about this.

It

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

weird, thought brunei was actually one of the more moderate, less fanatical spots for islam.

isn't it top 5-10 on the list of wealthiest countries on the planet?

odd to be that wealthy of a country but also still tryna stone people.

:confusedshrug:

Allow me to present a few points.

- People who don't believe in the Afterlife, or meeting with God to account for their deeds get their full wages on Earth. They often live comfortable lives.
- People who DO believe in the Afterlife, have the wages of their deeds paid in the Next Life.
- People who forget God are allowed enjoyment for some time before damnation.
- People who live comfortably are prone to forgetting God.
- People who believe in God are tested over and over and over again.
- Wealth is just part of the test.
- Wealth comes and goes, but what people are being tested.
- Being rich can be a good thing if it leads to the person giving more thanks and giving more in charity and spreading the wealth. It is a horrible thing if it leads to hoarding and boasting.

- Sometimes being poor is potentially a good thing as it humbles one's soul and strengthens one's bond with their Creator.
- However, if poverty leads to someone in Africa taking handouts from people or hurts their quality of life--that's a very very bad thing.
- One of the best deeds in Islam is to free slaves.
- Charity, a minimum of 2.5% is incumbent upon all Muslims, and Riba/usury, one of the tools that exploit the poor and make the rich richer is forbidden. The West would do well to implement this principle for the welfare of their citizens.

[SomeBlackDude]

Allow me to present a few points.



just so we have it on the record...

mr. money, are you in favor of the nation of brunei whipping/stoning gay people to death?

https://frog-dog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/paddy_reporter.jpg

[iamgine]

According to a person who lives in Brunei, it's not easy to apply the law. There has to be at least 4 witnesses to the supposed gay acts. There are also other requirements and it's quite a long process.

I think this law is intended more to make LGBT less open rather than to punish them to death.

[red1]

You don't want Sharia in the West, but you strike me as the type of Muslim who would allow it to flourish and take place if it did find its way over here. Under the will of Allah if a Western society adopted Sharia, would you rebel against it? Would you move? Or would you succumb to it and be another cog in the wheel?

Do you not believe in free will? You would literally attempt to beat the gay out of your son? I'm no fan of homosexuality, but violence begets violence and that is never the answer.

Lastly, can you tell me a positive story or movement that is coming out of Islam? If you can, I'll talk about it. But for now, that part of the world and that religion is a threat to humanity. My two cents.
Actually no. Religious fundamentalists are destroying my country. I would literally pick up a gun and go to war against anyone who opposes a stable secular government.

An ideal society preaches freedom of religion AND separation of state and religion. Which is why I love Canada.

[Terahite]

weird, thought brunei was actually one of the more moderate, less fanatical spots for islam.

isn't it top 5-10 on the list of wealthiest countries on the planet?

odd to be that wealthy of a country but also still tryna stone people.

:confusedshrug:

Not when Islam is the common denominator. Wealthy caliphs have been carrying out the same practice for centuries.

[FKAri]

Ya, and? What's the problem? Is OP a phaggit or something?

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Id say morally it isnt any better than the holocaust.


What is the foundation of your morality?
Where is it derived from?

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Maybe they can take all the Muslim migrants back there.. they can live in paradise stoning gays, not drinking, praying 5 times a day and banging there cousins dressed in a tent..

Alcohol is an abomination and detriment to man's intellect, homosexuality is an abomination to the family unit and a grave crime against the Divine, and marrying cousins is not mandatory upon people --rather it is an option that some people choose.

The world is nothing but tests for the Muslim. If this world is all you live for, coin24, I feel bad for you. 70 years on average of a whole lotta of lows with relatively few highs. Treat the world like a garden to sow seeds for the Afterlife, and life becomes so much better now and in the future.

You know, if you do decide to look further and start praying 5 times a day you'll feel a peaceful wholesome feeling in your heart that you've never felt before, and you'll see things in a light you have never seen them yet. Who knows you might become a less miserable person out of it.




Amazing how generations of inbreeding can keep people so stupid to live like it's 2000 years ago. If you don't believe then no virgins for you and eternal fire:lol :facepalm

The same exact way the wind moves, the animals behave, the trees move, the planets move, the seas roar, is the same way man developed since he was first on Earth. And man's purpose is the same. To worship God alone, with no partners. That is the religion right and straight.


We will see who the fools are at the end of the day.

[highwhey]

since we're on the subject of OP's sexual preference, what a horrible parent dwade has turned out to be. encouraging his kid's homosexuality at the mere age of 11? :facepalm

and before someone claims why it's wrong to let an 11 year old boy like women but not boys, homosexuality is unnatural. the anatomy speaks for itself. there isn't anything more to be said beyond that. i'm still going to be polite to the lgbtq crowd, but i believe it's horrible to encourage an 11 year old on such things. he's simply not old enough to make such decisions.

:facepalm

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

KBlaze, please provide me the abridged version. You just always manage to write way too much.


But I just want to make you aware that you have a fellow Muslim (who portrays himself as a Moderate Pacifist) in this very thread approve of this type of punishment.

You are trying to tattle-tale on Muslims to this arrogant individual, Kblaze, on these forums? Are you so scared of Muslims that you want them to be banned, Patrick? Why so afraid?

Do you not realize that Kblaze has zero power to protect you?

If you want protection from what you are afraid of---why not ask God?



I don’t know what Christians you know, but I know of none past or present who ever felt that same sentiment. You’re talking to someone who was raised Catholic. Sure, some of us think that homosexuality is a sin, but none of us are thinking, “Hey, maybe we should kill them.”

Wait, let me get this---you actually think you are "holier than thou" because you don't think the act of sodomy is punishable by death, when it is clearly stated in your very own Bible. You actually are on these boards saying that Muslims are thinking "hey maybe we should kill them?" Do you not understand that the Qu'ran FORBIDS injustice and the killing of innocent lives. Do you not GET that this is NOT a cleansing of homosexuals like you want to depict it as--rather it is a STRICT DETERRENT to prevent behavior that can lead someone to their own pain, damnation?

Do you not understand that Christians are to revere The Lord---and that entails obeying His Commandments?



Leviticus 20:13
"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Any Modern Christian who goes against their Scripture is basically saying they know more than God. Whether you like it or not, that's a huge gigantic insult. An insult that can lead you to Hell.



The fact that Christianity is always mentioned and used in comparison within a few replies of every thread that casts a light on the barbarity of Islam is quite telling. What are you all afraid of?

Barbarity?

I'll tell you what's barbaric.

STARTING OVERSEAS WARS IN ORDER TO OBTAIN OIL AND CAUSING HAVOC AMONGST MILLIONS OF INNOCENT LIVES IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN

BEING SO LOADED WITH FILTHY EVIL IN YOUR HEART THAT YOU DEHUMANIZE HUMAN BEINGS REFERRING TO THEM AS 'MUZZIES"

BEING SO OBNOXIOUSLY ARROGANT AS TO THINK YOU KNOW BETTER THAN GOD---TAKING HIS PLACE IN JUDGMENT CLAIMING RED1 AND I ARE WORSE THAN NAZIS, WHEN WE HAVE NOT KILLED PEOPLE

Using the body that was a gift given by you to God to indulge in disgusting abominable acts, wrecking it, leading to all kinds of diseases, AIDS, while simultaneously denying a woman a husband, denying one's unborn children the right to live, destroying the family structure, loathing oneself, and inviting God's Wrath upon one and their society.



There is no way in hell that in 2019, that would even come across the minds of the most devout Christian out there. Look at the uproar that was caused when a baker refused to bake a cake for a gay wedding.

Doesn't matter what the majority of people "think". That does not constitute Truth.



What concerns me more is that we are seeing this pop up more and more with that "other religion" and the rest of the world is still in a slumber after the Holocaust it seems, or is frankly too damn afraid to confront it. When we have hundreds of SJ groups and anti-defamation groups in this country making it damn near impossible to look at someone the wrong way without being labeled a bigot, and then you have stories like this on the complete opposite end of the spectrum, you know our society is crumbling and all reason and rationality is being thrown out the window. The excuse of blaming it on the old books only goes so far.

Don't you dare compare the Holocaust to Islam, ESPECIALLY after Kaffirs like yourself, Chewing, have supported and wrought destruction on Muslim land, ESPECIALLY IN IRAQ AND SYRIA AND AFGHANISTAN. MILLIONS OF CHILDREN KILLED. BODIES DEFORMED. FAMILIES DISPLACED. LANDS DEVASTATED. ONLY A LITTE WHILE AFTER THE ISRAELI TERRORISTS PROCEEDED TO LAUNCH BOMBS AT PALESTINIANS. NOT A PEEP FROM YOU HUH CHEWING!?

You HAVE ALREADY BLATANTLY LIED TO OTHERS so I will repeat it very clearly. THe punishment is a deterrent to protect people from engaging in acts that can lead to their own destruction. IT IS NOT a systematic cleansing of "homosexual" people. The only way someone can be punished is IF THEY ARE CAUGHT DOING THE ACT. Innocent until proven guilty.

You come on these boards and routinely spew out all kinds of sh!t and using all kinds of propaganda tactics but you have yet to CONFESS OWNERSHIP OF THE CRIMES COMMITED AGAINST MUSLIMS.

Chewing, didn't you just post pictures of crusaders on these boards celebrating how they went to the Holy Land and slaughtered people left and right---and ON TOP OF THAT decided to spam the board about Islam being spread by the sword?

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

since we're on the subject of OP's sexual preference, what a horrible parent dwade has turned out to be. encouraging his kid's homosexuality at the mere age of 11? :facepalm

Not just that. People have ALL KINDS of desires.

We aren't supposed to act on them. We learn patience and self-control through life. At 11--- I'd like to play basketball 8 hours a day and video games for another 8 hours and never study or work if I could. God forbid my parents encourage that.

But the consequences are devastating!

Expectations and consequences.

Simply put, heterosexual sex ----> babies, better health, happiness, peace, bond between man and woman, blessings, soulmates, honor, growing as a husband/father etc.

homosexual sex ----> AIDS, pain, disgrace, humiliation, destroyed rectum, sickness, damnation, etc.

Actually, I haven't even addressed all the negative consequences of gays-- it's even worse.

A father should want the welfare of their sons, no?



and before someone claims why it's wrong to let an 11 year old boy like women but not boys, homosexuality is unnatural

the anatomy speaks for itself. there isn't anything more to be said beyond that. i'm still going to be polite to the lgbtq crowd, but i believe it's horrible to encourage an 11 year old on such things. he's simply not old enough to make such decisions.

:facepalm

Yes the anatomy does speak for itself.

The male genitalia was created to enter the female genitalia. End of story.

[highwhey]

Not just that. People have ALL KINDS of desires.

We aren't supposed to act on them. We learn patience and self-control through life. At 11--- I'd like to play basketball 8 hours a day and video games for another 8 hours and never study or work if I could. God forbid my parents encourage that.

But the consequences are devastating!

Expectations and consequences.

Simply put, heterosexual sex ----> babies, better health, happiness, peace, bond between man and woman, blessings, soulmates, honor, growing as a husband/father etc.

homosexual sex ----> AIDS, pain, disgrace, humiliation, destroyed rectum, sickness, damnation, etc.

Actually, I haven't even addressed all the negative consequences of gays-- it's even worse.

A father should want the welfare of their sons, no?



Yes the anatomy does speak for itself.

The male genitalia was created to enter the female genitalia. End of story.
good point, our parents are supposed to be there to prevent us from making bad decisions. that's literally their primary role in our lives. wade is failing at that.

you really can tell this world is inching closer to the end. we're off worse than sodom and gamorrah were. :facepalm

[Kblaze8855]

and before someone claims why it's wrong to let an 11 year old boy like women but not boys, homosexuality is unnatural.

How do you "let" someone like anyone in the first place?

Not saying the words changes nothing.

You can just tell some kids are gay. I knew a kid was gay in boy scouts. Now hes got rainbows and shit on his facebook. I dont know why we are pretending....

We all knew little gay acting kids who turned out to be gay. They were gay then. I dont exactly get how it happens....but it does. There are clearly gay ass kids out there. I knew no less than 4 from like...age 8 to middle school. All 4 gay as hell now. Two of them brothers(the boy scout kid and his little brother).

You dont get to "let" it happen or not. All you can do is make them be quiet about it. And considering how many kids are quiet about it all their lives...then admit it later....im not sure what that accomplishes.

I agree its weird...I just dont know what you want done about it. There are 10 year olds prancing around acting like little girls right now and you know damn well they are gay. We just lying to ourselves or what?

How does not letting them say it change what they already are? You know you knew little gay kids. Did their parents not letting them admit it back then make them grow up and love women? I suspect it didnt.

You can look at year book photos of people gay now and see they looked gay then. Its not PC to say it...but we all know what gay looks like. Some gay people dont have it....but most who do have it are gay. And you can see that shit in middle school. If I wouldnt didnt feel like a dick id post some from my old yearbooks.

Some of them you wonder how we didnt already know then just off the picture. You can call it unnatural or a whatever you want....thats an argument for another time.

Fact is....plenty of these kids are gay long before they are adults. They just knew not to admit it in our day. Gay is gay even if you dont let them say the words. If you could silence, or beat, or preach gay away most of them would have had it done once their fathers noticed.

If you like dick you just like it. I dont get how a man sees a beautiful woman and gets nothing out of it....but it happens. Some things arent gonna be understood by the people who dont experience it. Gay is clearly one of them.

[coin24]

Isn't the figure around one in every one hundred is gay?
Basically at school a handful of people were gay and as kbalze said, we all knew and it was pretty obvious who they were..

It has always been that common it's just that back in the day it was shamed upon and covered up.

If you believe in god wouldn't you believe he made people this way? Who are you Jefferson to say that what god made is wrong and should be punished??
The only people who hate gays that much are closet gays themselves, you might want to take a look in the mirror

[Kblaze8855]

I suspect its more than the old 1/100 assumption. Im in a building with 130 employees and I know for a fact 7 of them are gay or bi(bi is gay to me.....at least for a male). What are the odds none of the others are just quiet about it?

I bet its better than 10%. You cant see it in 10% of kids....but you have some straight up flaming little kids.

Its weird to say it....but you do. We just gonna lie about it?

[Rocket]

good point, our parents are supposed to be there to prevent us from making bad decisions. that's literally their primary role in our lives. wade is failing at that.

you really can tell this world is inching closer to the end. we're off worse than sodom and gamorrah were. :facepalm

Bingo!!

[Kblaze8855]

I wonder at times what really religious people feel about gay animals. Like those gay penguins who wont accept female mates and even steal eggs to raise together. If their penguin parents had not accepted them being gay as chicks would they have grown up to want female penguins? Like 1000 animal species are known to have gay couples. Did the gay animals parents fail them in some way?

Ever see the stories on swans? Swans are some of the gayest animals. Male pairs will mate for life...do the mating dances...drive females away from their eggs after they are laid so the two males can raise the chicks themselves. Odd shit. But it happens ALL the time.

How do we account for that?

[iamgine]

I wonder at times what really religious people feel about gay animals. Like those gay penguins who wont accept female mates and even steal eggs to raise together. If their penguin parents had not accepted them being gay as chicks would they have grown up to want female penguins? Like 1000 animal species are known to have gay couples. Did the gay animals parents fail them in some way?

Ever see the stories on swans? Swans are some of the gayest animals. Male pairs will mate for life...do the mating dances...drive females away from their eggs after they are laid so the two males can raise the chicks themselves. Odd shit. But it happens ALL the time.

How do we account for that?
Why would religious feel anything about that? In religious views, God's instructions are usually for human. Not for animals. Therefore, animals can rape, kill, poop anywhere, be naked, do adultery, etc.

[Kblaze8855]

Not about it morally as animals have no morals. Just about creatures that have no sentient choice apparently being naturally inclined to be gay. Just seems odd for something so "unnatural" to be so widespread in the natural world that lives off instinct.

Of course there are christian/muslim/whatever groups that attempt to explain it. Some with science some with the usual "God said....".

I just read some guy comparing it to being a cannibal since some animals do that.

Comes down to something pretty obvious to me....

Awwwwwwwwful lot of gay things for gayness to be a decision. But on that matter....

I often see people claim that giving into the urges is what makes someone gay. That you simply dont do what you have been told by god not to do....which always made me wonder...

Do people not consider you gay merely for wanting to be with someone of the same sex? Are you only gay when you actually go do it? The act is the gay part and not the desire? It seems many think that way....but dont think that way about straight people.

Youre straight even when you arent having straight sex. Are gay people straight till they do something gay? It feels like a lot of people believe that.

[iamgine]

Not about it morally as animals have no morals. Just about creatures that have no sentient choice apparently being naturally inclined to be gay. Just seems odd for something so "unnatural" to be so widespread in the natural world that lives off instinct.

Of course there are christian/muslim/whatever groups that attempt to explain it. Some with science some with the usual "God said....".

I just read some guy comparing it to being a cannibal since some animals do that.

Comes down to something pretty obvious to me....

Awwwwwwwwful lot of gay things for gayness to be a decision. But on that matter....

I often see people claim that giving into the urges is what makes someone gay. That you simply dont do what you have been told by god not to do....which always made me wonder...

Do people not consider you gay merely for wanting to be with someone of the same sex? Are you only gay when you actually go do it? The act is the gay part and not the desire? It seems many think that way....but dont think that way about straight people.

Youre straight even when you arent having straight sex. Are gay people straight till they do something gay? It feels like a lot of people believe that.
Animals also are naturally inclined to rape, kill, eat own baby, etc. They are really not a good benchmark or example.

I don't think gayness is a decision. Why would you decide your life to be sh!ttier, makes no sense. Sexual orientation can be affected by many factors like trauma or environment but I think there are also people who are 'naturally' gay. Just like there are plenty of people who are 'naturally' artistic or introverted.

[Kblaze8855]

Animals also are naturally inclined to rape, kill, eat own baby, etc. They are really not a good benchmark or example.

Again...animals have no morals. They do what is instinct. What is natural.

Humans have minds to decide what is and isnt right to do....but our opinions dont change the nature of beings. Only what we judge them to be. What we allow ourselves to do.

A psycho can be naturally inclined to kill. Doesnt make it morally right. But its who he is. So we cant let him out of the hospital trying to treat him or the jail keeping him from killing another 12 kids. Some people are just broken...cant be fixed. But that doesnt mean someone made the mistake of allowing them be insane and dangerous.

Some things you dont allow to happen....they just are.

Seems fairly obvious nobody has to allow gayness. It just....is.

Its part of the world. Seems a fairly natural part when you take a good look.

You are free to decide if its a good thing or a bad thing. Not my place to make moral calls for other people. It being common in nature and in humans doesnt feel like an opinion though. Just seems to be a fact. The creatures on this planet are at times gay.

Just part of the world we all have to accept.

[iamgine]

Again...animals have no morals. They do what is instinct. What is natural.

Humans have minds to decide what is and isnt right to do....but our opinions dont change the nature of beings. Only what we judge them to be. What we allow ourselves to do.

A psycho can be naturally inclined to kill. Doesnt make it morally right. But its who he is. So we cant let him out of the hospital trying to treat him or the jail keeping him from killing another 12 kids. Some people are just broken...cant be fixed. But that doesnt mean someone made the mistake of allowing them be insane and dangerous.

Some things you dont allow to happen....they just are.

Seems fairly obvious nobody has to allow gayness. It just....is.

Its part of the world. Seems a fairly natural part when you take a good look.

You are free to decide if its a good thing or a bad thing. Not my place to make moral calls for other people. It being common in nature and in humans doesnt feel like an opinion though. Just seems to be a fact. The creatures on this planet are at times gay.

Just part of the world we all have to accept.
Well as I said any sexual orientation can be naturally occurring. It's just you can't use animals as benchmark. You can't say, hmm many animals eat their babies regularly therefore it must be natural if humans do it too. In fact it is much less natural for human to want to eat human babies.

[Overdrive]

You are trying to tattle-tale on Muslims to this arrogant individual, Kblaze, on these forums? Are you so scared of Muslims that you want them to be banned, Patrick? Why so afraid?

I'm personally scared of indoctrinated people that are so severely bothered by others, but aren't affected by them in their everyday life at all. Yet they still have to try to make those other people's life miserable for the rules some dude wrote down some millenia ago in the name of some deity.

How far will those people go if they don't succeed with words and feel threatened by other people's lifestyle?

We see what stupid indoctrinated religious people do to others all the time.

I honestly feel way more threatened by your ilk than some guy who minds his own business, but ****s others in the poop hole.

[Kblaze8855]

Well as I said any sexual orientation can be naturally occurring. It's just you can't use animals as benchmark. You can't say, hmm many animals eat their babies regularly therefore it must be natural if humans do it too. In fact it is much less natural for human to want to eat human babies.



Again...you are mixing an argument of morality with an argument of motivation. Many people(including those in this topic) seem to believe that this is an issue of the natural purposes of male and female bodies and to use them differently is a matter of choice and not your natural inclination. But beings that have no choice...and rely only on natural inclination are just as prone to do it.

Your actions are a choice. Your inclinations are not. A human eating a baby would be a decision. A human being gay is not. Both things to an animal are just instinct. But humans having a higher mind....lets them choose their actions....but the higher mind that separates us from animals does not alter what instinct is.

You feel what you feel. Your actions are another discussion.

[Patrick Chewing]

You are trying to tattle-tale on Muslims to this arrogant individual, Kblaze, on these forums? Are you so scared of Muslims that you want them to be banned, Patrick? Why so afraid?

Do you not realize that Kblaze has zero power to protect you?

If you want protection from what you are afraid of---why not ask God?



Wait, let me get this---you actually think you are "holier than thou" because you don't think the act of sodomy is punishable by death, when it is clearly stated in your very own Bible. You actually are on these boards saying that Muslims are thinking "hey maybe we should kill them?" Do you not understand that the Qu'ran FORBIDS injustice and the killing of innocent lives. Do you not GET that this is NOT a cleansing of homosexuals like you want to depict it as--rather it is a STRICT DETERRENT to prevent behavior that can lead someone to their own pain, damnation?

Do you not understand that Christians are to revere The Lord---and that entails obeying His Commandments?



Any Modern Christian who goes against their Scripture is basically saying they know more than God. Whether you like it or not, that's a huge gigantic insult. An insult that can lead you to Hell.



Barbarity?

I'll tell you what's barbaric.

STARTING OVERSEAS WARS IN ORDER TO OBTAIN OIL AND CAUSING HAVOC AMONGST MILLIONS OF INNOCENT LIVES IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN

BEING SO LOADED WITH FILTHY EVIL IN YOUR HEART THAT YOU DEHUMANIZE HUMAN BEINGS REFERRING TO THEM AS 'MUZZIES"

BEING SO OBNOXIOUSLY ARROGANT AS TO THINK YOU KNOW BETTER THAN GOD---TAKING HIS PLACE IN JUDGMENT CLAIMING RED1 AND I ARE WORSE THAN NAZIS, WHEN WE HAVE NOT KILLED PEOPLE

Using the body that was a gift given by you to God to indulge in disgusting abominable acts, wrecking it, leading to all kinds of diseases, AIDS, while simultaneously denying a woman a husband, denying one's unborn children the right to live, destroying the family structure, loathing oneself, and inviting God's Wrath upon one and their society.



Doesn't matter what the majority of people "think". That does not constitute Truth.



Don't you dare compare the Holocaust to Islam, ESPECIALLY after Kaffirs like yourself, Chewing, have supported and wrought destruction on Muslim land, ESPECIALLY IN IRAQ AND SYRIA AND AFGHANISTAN. MILLIONS OF CHILDREN KILLED. BODIES DEFORMED. FAMILIES DISPLACED. LANDS DEVASTATED. ONLY A LITTE WHILE AFTER THE ISRAELI TERRORISTS PROCEEDED TO LAUNCH BOMBS AT PALESTINIANS. NOT A PEEP FROM YOU HUH CHEWING!?

You HAVE ALREADY BLATANTLY LIED TO OTHERS so I will repeat it very clearly. THe punishment is a deterrent to protect people from engaging in acts that can lead to their own destruction. IT IS NOT a systematic cleansing of "homosexual" people. The only way someone can be punished is IF THEY ARE CAUGHT DOING THE ACT. Innocent until proven guilty.

You come on these boards and routinely spew out all kinds of sh!t and using all kinds of propaganda tactics but you have yet to CONFESS OWNERSHIP OF THE CRIMES COMMITED AGAINST MUSLIMS.

Chewing, didn't you just post pictures of crusaders on these boards celebrating how they went to the Holy Land and slaughtered people left and right---and ON TOP OF THAT decided to spam the board about Islam being spread by the sword?


Killing people is wrong and evil and goes against God. Why do you Muslims have a hard time understanding this? Every time you Muslims kill another and you're under the impression that it is God's will or that God sanctions this, you're wrong. Every time you kill someone that is not out of self-defense, you go to hell. There is no way around this.

I do not agree with homosexuality, but I am not murdering people based on their sexual preference. It was God's will to make this person a homosexual, and it is with God that this person has to deal with. Not us. We are nothing, and have no right to be judge, jury, and executioner.

This is why the Muslim religion is a plague on this planet. You guys so nonchalantly talk about murder as if it's no big deal. Crazy.


EDIT: Here is a former Muslim Extremist (Maajid Nawaz) expose what's truly at the heart of even the most Moderate of Muslims when it comes to Sharia Law. They believe in the stoning to death of adulterers and homosexuals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYWmTVWXHv8

[Kblaze8855]

I would imagine the terrorists Muslims see it as war and not murder and use the

[highwhey]

Killing people is wrong and evil and goes against God. Why do you Muslims have a hard time understanding this? Every time you Muslims kill another and you're under the impression that it is God's will or that God sanctions this, you're wrong. Every time you kill someone that is not out of self-defense, you go to hell. There is no way around this.

patrick, hopefully you can help out my discussion with kblaze here, at what age did you first begin experiencing homosexual tendencies?

[highwhey]

How do you "let" someone like anyone in the first place?


i think a lot of it may have to do with the male father figure being absent or non-influential in the boy's life. wade was gone half the year bc of his career. it's a parenting fail anyway you look at it. obviously it's preemptive parenting style that needs to be practiced. after the fact? idk, turn some wrenches with him, take him to a ball game, etc.

take for instance the black father that took his kids to hooters and got all types of people mad at him, but i applaud him :applause:

https://i.redd.it/qa8hca00yon21.jpg

[Overdrive]

i think a lot of it may have to do with the male father figure being absent or non-influential in the boy's life. wade was gone half the year bc of his career. it's a parenting fail anyway you look at it. obviously it's preemptive parenting style that needs to be practiced. after the fact? idk, turn some wrenches with him, take him to a ball game, etc.

take for instance the black father that took his kids to hooters and got all types of people mad at him, but i applaud him :applause:

https://i.redd.it/qa8hca00yon21.jpg

Yeah taking him to a place with muscular dudes in tanktops will heal him. You guys act like homosexuality is a disease.

[RRR3]

So many disgusting homophobes on here. Why do you care who people are attracted to? It doesn’t affect your life.

[Kblaze8855]

Plenty of good parents raised gay people....

I don’t know about you but when I was 11 there’s nothing you could have shown me to make me not like girls. You think you rewire a kid by showing him a girl in short shorts?

A gay kid might just wanna try them on.

You can’t turn that off....look at those kids. You know you have seen these little flaming kids. Hooters doesn’t change that....

[qrich]

This idiot J$ really said don't compare the Holocaust to Islam, when the first Genocide of the 20th Century was perpetrated by Muslims? :roll:

Idiot.

[iamgine]

Again...you are mixing an argument of morality with an argument of motivation. Many people(including those in this topic) seem to believe that this is an issue of the natural purposes of male and female bodies and to use them differently is a matter of choice and not your natural inclination. But beings that have no choice...and rely only on natural inclination are just as prone to do it.

Your actions are a choice. Your inclinations are not. A human eating a baby would be a decision. A human being gay is not. Both things to an animal are just instinct. But humans having a higher mind....lets them choose their actions....but the higher mind that separates us from animals does not alter what instinct is.

You feel what you feel. Your actions are another discussion.
I'm not mixing anything. You can't use animals as benchmark both in action or inclination of what is natural for human. I don't think human has natural inclination for eating their baby or eating poop as many animals do. You can't say, hmm many animals eat their babies and eat poop regularly therefore it must be natural if humans is inclined to do it too.

[Kblaze8855]

Youre the one saying it. Im saying...when the claim is made that being gay is a decision made willingly by people who have a choice....the fact that beings that dont have the ability to make reasoned decisions are also gay makes that seem untrue. The argument is that people cant just....be gay. You have to choose it. Decide...you are gay....because its against your biology. Considering things are gay...that lack that ability....it seems unlikely.

Youre equating the decision making of things when only one of them has the ability to make reasoned decisions. A human can decide...not to eat a baby. Its a decision. Humans make decisions with our higher brain functions. Animals have instincts. Being gay isnt a decision no matter what species you are. It being universal among creatures with and without the ability to reason makes that clear.

Youre manufacturing a slippery slope that isnt there because the actions you suggest make an animal different are the very things we DONT do because we have the ability to think. You are making my point...which is that our differences lie in our ability to make decisions....which is why we choose to be different in many ways...such as those you mentioned....but are similar in the ways that are out of all our control. You can choose not to eat your young. An animal cant. Neither of you can choose who attracts you.

That lack of choice is the whole point and theres no reason to compare it to things a human CAN choose...because those things being entirely different is the entire point. Youre telling me I cant say ___ is like ____ when my whole point is that ____ ISNT like ____.

So whats the point in telling me?

[iamgine]

Youre the one saying it. Im saying...when the claim is made that being gay is a decision made willingly by people who have a choice....the fact that beings that dont have the ability to make reasoned decisions are also gay makes that seem untrue. The argument is that people cant just....be gay. You have to choose it. Decide...you are gay....because its against your biology. Considering things are gay...that lack that ability....it seems unlikely.

Youre equating the decision making of things when only one of them has the ability to make reasoned decisions. A human can decide...not to eat a baby. Its a decision. Humans make decisions with our higher brain functions. Animals have instincts. Being gay isnt a decision no matter what species you are. It being universal among creatures with and without the ability to reason makes that clear.

Youre manufacturing a slippery slope that isnt there because the actions you suggest make an animal different are the very things we DONT do because we have the ability to think. You are making my point...which is that our differences lie in our ability to make decisions....which is why we choose to be different in many ways...such as those you mentioned....but are similar in the ways that are out of all our control. You can choose not to eat your young. An animal cant. Neither of you can choose who attracts you.

That lack of choice is the whole point and theres no reason to compare it to things a human CAN choose...because those things being entirely different is the entire point. Youre telling me I cant say ___ is like ____ when my whole point is that ____ ISNT like ____.

So whats the point in telling me?
If you re-read, I already agreed from the start that gays didn't choose to be gay and it was a natural inclination for many of them. You just can't use animals as a point to say well this human inclination is natural/unnatural based on animal inclinations.

[Kblaze8855]

I already know you agree.

I also see youre content to repeat yourself when we are talking about entirely different things so....ill let you do that one more time here I guess and let you be.

[Kblaze8855]

Anyway going back like 100 posts to the panxexual kids in schools...

I did some more reading about it. Im seeing studies that show like 20% of some schools no longer identify as just flat out straight.

Makes me wonder if the numbers have risen...or people are just telling the truth at earlier ages because society accepts it.

[SomeBlackDude]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Plenty of good parents raised gay people....

I don

[ShawkFactory]

wait, are there seriously people who think they can 'ungay' kids by doing borderline retarded shit like taking them to hooters?

reminds me of that simpsons episode (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uOBveFKdGs). :lol

humanity is lost.
There are legitimately people who think that you can take a flaming gay kid to a series of baseball games and change his sexuality :lol

[SomeBlackDude]

There are legitimately people who think that you can take a flaming gay kid to a series of baseball games and change his sexuality :lol

magic's gonna need to get dodgers front row season tickets for his boy then.

the ungaying process might not take for 5-6 seasons doe.

[RRR3]

wait, are there seriously people who think they can 'ungay' kids by doing borderline retarded shit like taking them to hooters?

reminds me of that simpsons episode (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uOBveFKdGs). :lol

humanity is lost.
Lmao this thread definitely reminded me of that episode. A lot of Homer-esque thinkers on this topic on ISH, although a lot of these guys are racist to boot.

[ShawkFactory]

magic's gonna need to get dodgers front row season tickets for his boy then.

the ungaying process might not take for 5-6 seasons doe.
Especially when you have this dude out there

https://lwosonbaseball.ms.lastwordonsports.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2018/10/1052336752-1024x1024.jpg

Good luck magic

[NumberSix]

I suspect its more than the old 1/100 assumption. Im in a building with 130 employees and I know for a fact 7 of them are gay or bi(bi is gay to me.....at least for a male). What are the odds none of the others are just quiet about it?
Why would you think that the demographics of your particular office are exactly representative of the general population?

Is your office also exactly 13% black? 17% Latino? 2% Asian? How about political affiliation?

Do you not think there are any offices where there are no gay people at all? Do you think the people there should be of the belief that gay people don

[highwhey]

child rapists, murderers, cannibals...all have an inclination towards their actions, doesn

[NumberSix]

child rapists, murderers, cannibals...all have an inclination towards their actions, doesn’t mean we should accept them.
this.

I as a straight man have a natural evolutionary urge to go out and impregnate 30 women. That doesn’t mean it’s a morally good thing to do.

Humans by nature are tribal. Some more than others. If some new-Nazi said he just has a natural inclination for in-group tribal preference, nobody would accept that as a legitimate reason. People would, rightly, say people should behave beyond their base animal instincts.

[ShawkFactory]

[QUOTE=highwhey]child rapists, murderers, cannibals...all have an inclination towards their actions, doesn

[Kblaze8855]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Why would you think that the demographics of your particular office are exactly representative of the general population?

Is your office also exactly 13% black? 17% Latino? 2% Asian? How about political affiliation?

Do you not think there are any offices where there are no gay people at all? Do you think the people there should be of the belief that gay people don

[highwhey]

Surely you can discern the difference between a child being raped, someone being murdered, someone being eaten...and a dude consensually having sex with another dude.
well when you specifically frame it like tgat sure. but they are all sick people that need help.

you left out how gays introduced AIDS into humanity. a very deadly disease that claimed a lot of lives.

[Kblaze8855]

Someone got AIDs from an ape of some type either by ****ing it or butchering it which is frankly...more likely. Id imagine theres a lot more eating of ape meat in africa than there is ****ing of apes. Both happen.....those guys in asia kept apes in whore houses....but they eat an awful lot of random bushmeat over there too.

[ShawkFactory]

well when you specifically frame it like tgat sure. but they are all sick people that need help.

you left out how gays introduced AIDS into humanity. a very deadly disease that claimed a lot of lives.
Yea and they wield that mercilessly.

Don't mess with the gay guy or he'll throw a cvm shot of AIDS in your face.

:rolleyes:

Your fear of them is based on nothing.

[Kblaze8855]

[QUOTE=highwhey]child rapists, murderers, cannibals...all have an inclination towards their actions, doesn

[highwhey]

Someone got AIDs from an ape of some type either by ****ing it or butchering it which is frankly...more likely. Id imagine theres a lot more eating of ape meat in africa than there is ****ing of apes. Both happen.....those guys in asia kept apes in whore houses....but they eat an awful lot of random bushmeat over there too.
well guess what? the gays helped spread it along with drug users many of whom are gay. it

[NumberSix]

There are many gay people. Many many many of them. More or less depending on where you happen to be at the moment. I really need to say that?

You know the point. It isn’t 1 in 100. That just seems a crazy number all things considered. Once you factor in the women who would tell you they are bi? Shiiiiit....
The mistake you’re making is thinking that 1 in 100 (1%) is rare. It actually isn’t. You’re still talking about millions of people.

Muslims are less than 1% of the United States population. My guess is you probably meet/see muslims all the time, right? The fact that you interact with Muslims so often might lead you to believe that it can’t possibly true that fewer than 1 in 100 people are Muslim, but it is true.

There are many kinds of people that make up less than 1 out of 100 that you probably see all the time.

[qrich]

Why are people so invested in what consenting adults do behind closed doors?

If a guy wants to be a flaming homo, let him. If a girl wants to be a rug muncher, let her. As long as they aren't harming anyone/trying to force their views and beliefs on anyone, who the **** cares?

[highwhey]

Im gonna ignore the start of that and just ask...

You not accepting them...what is the result?

What does that even mean?

You withholding acceptance means...what?

They exist...you can like it or not like it....but it is what it is.

I sincerely hope you dont end up with a gay son. For both of your sakes. You would probably blame yourself...for no good reason...and make him hate himself on top of it. Some shit is just out of our control. .
if my 11 year old sons comes home with a crackpipe you best believe i will not supply him with more crack rock while i cheer him on as he smokes rock, no sir.

[highwhey]

Why are people so invested in what consenting adults do behind closed doors?

If a guy wants to be a flaming homo, let him. If a girl wants to be a rug muncher, let her. As long as they aren't harming anyone/trying to force their views and beliefs on anyone, who the **** cares?
the original premise of my argument was that an 11 year old shouldn

[qrich]

[QUOTE=highwhey]the original premise of my argument was that an 11 year old shouldn

[Akrazotile]

ITT people dont know the difference between unnatural and atypical.

If it happens by nature, it is natural.

Some people are born sterile. They have a package, but it doesnt make babies. That isnt “unnatural.” It’s an outlier entirely produced by nature.. Some dudes have a micropeenis that cant impregnate a wimmenz. Their genes werent altered in a lab as a fetus to give them a micro peeny, it just happened naturally. Some people are born a certain way naturally, and wont make babies. It is atypical, but that has nothing to do with the meaning of “natural.” Natural doesnt mean “however the majority is like.” That’s a fallacy which a surprising (or maybe unsurprising) number of people dont understand.

Fetal Alcohol Syndrome is not natural. It would not occur in nature without human choice/interference. A baby with generically altered orange colored eyes isnt natural. It wouldnt occur randomly in nature.

Homos occur in nature. Their urge to buttfunk each other occurs naturally. It’s not the result of human induced social pressure or a lab experiment. Faaggotry is their natural calling.

It’s fine to find it lulzy and joke about it in a good natured way. But people using the word “unnatural” have some obvious vocabulary shortcomings.

[NumberSix]

Why are people so invested in what consenting adults do behind closed doors?

If a guy wants to be a flaming homo, let him. If a girl wants to be a rug muncher, let her. As long as they aren't harming anyone/trying to force their views and beliefs on anyone, who the **** cares?
why do you care about someone

[qrich]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]why do you care about someone

[Kblaze8855]

if my 11 year old sons comes home with a crackpipe you best believe i will not supply him with more crack rock while i cheer him on as he smokes rock, no sir.

This is more like your son coming home with a shellfish allergy. You can be mad about it...but thats about it. Your cheers or condemnations dont mean shit.

[Kblaze8855]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]The mistake you

[highwhey]

This is more like your son coming home with a shellfish allergy. You can be mad about it...but thats about it. Your cheers or condemnations dont mean shit.
taking d1ck in your ass=shellfish allergy?

yeah...uhhh no.

the anatomy is self-explanatory. to use them in an unintended manner is not natural, inclination or not.

if my kid killed a cat i would take him to a counselor asap bc that's a trait of serial killers, doesn't matter if he was born with the inclination to hurt and kill organisms. it doesn't make it right.

[Kblaze8855]

Until we all stop getting blowjobs the "Unintended manner" argument is full of shit.

You use your dick to enjoy yourself like the rest of us. Some people enjoy using it in ways it wasnt intended. Putting it in mouths....asses...female or male...hands....maybe their own. None of that intended. And nobody really cares.

[Kblaze8855]

By the way....kid doesnt have to have sex of any kind to be gay....just like guys who dont have sex can still be straight. Its a matter of desire not what you do with it.

[highwhey]

My post wasn't intended towards you, just in general.

But yes, that 10 year old with a naked drag queen was disgusting. How was that not considered to be some sort of child porn or something? Imagine if it were a naked grown man with a 10 year old girl? Shit would fly off the handle.
it's borderline pedophilia imo.

liberals have no problem with an adult man exposing himself to a 11 year old boy bc it's an LBTQ parade and they deserve props for his bravery.

but switch that drag queen with a priest and the lqbtq parade with a church...and oh boy, all of a sudden it's wrong now.

:facepalm liberals disgust me. in their ultimate quest for progressiveness, one they day their sexual promiscuity will have no age boundaries, so they will accept pedophilia under the guise of progressiveness. i mean, taking an 11 year old to where he can see nude adult men in the name of gay pride is approaching pedophilia behaviour as it stands.

[Patrick Chewing]

:facepalm liberals disgust me. in their ultimate quest for progressiveness, one they day their sexual promiscuity will have no age boundaries, so they will accept pedophilia under the guise of progressiveness. i mean, taking an 11 year old to where he can see nude adult men in the name of gay pride is approaching pedophilia behaviour as it stands.


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[qrich]

it's borderline pedophilia imo.

liberals have no problem with an adult man exposing himself to a 11 year old boy bc it's an LBTQ parade and they deserve props for his bravery.

but switch that drag queen with a priest and the lqbtq parade with a church...and oh boy, all of a sudden it's wrong now.

:facepalm liberals disgust me. in their ultimate quest for progressiveness, one they day their sexual promiscuity will have no age boundaries, so they will accept pedophilia under the guise of progressiveness. i mean, taking an 11 year old to where he can see nude adult men in the name of gay pride is approaching pedophilia behaviour as it stands.

It's just...wrong. I don't care if it's a grown man or woman, they shouldn't be exposing themselves to a child like that (with the exception being if it's a nudist family and they actually believe in nudism, not this creepy shit).

I mean, I have a buddy that had to register as a sex offender for pissing...in a bush....at a park....at 3 AM (we were playing ball, bathrooms closed. He ended up getting it taken care of but cost a pretty penny.)

But openly showing your junk, to a child, is okay?

[highwhey]

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it's true man. i don't side with biggoted trump supporters though, but i have too much common sense to stand with liberals as they strip the world of all morals.

it's almost like some sick troll decided to start the progressiveness movement too see how far they could get before someone questions wtf are we doing?

[Kblaze8855]

It's just...wrong. I don't care if it's a grown man or woman, they shouldn't be exposing themselves to a child like that (with the exception being if it's a nudist family and they actually believe in nudism, not this creepy shit).

I mean, I have a buddy that had to register as a sex offender for pissing...in a bush....at a park....at 3 AM (we were playing ball, bathrooms closed. He ended up getting it taken care of but cost a pretty penny.)

But openly showing your junk, to a child, is okay?

Who are the people saying it

[qrich]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Who are the people saying it

[Kblaze8855]

I

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

This idiot J$ really said don't compare the Holocaust to Islam, when the first Genocide of the 20th Century was perpetrated by Muslims? :roll:

Idiot.

Does the Quran or Sunnah advocate genocide of people ?

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

I'm personally scared of indoctrinated people that are so severely bothered by others, but aren't affected by them in their everyday life at all. Yet they still have to try to make those other people's life miserable for the rules some dude wrote down some millenia ago in the name of some deity.

How far will those people go if they don't succeed with words and feel threatened by other people's lifestyle?

We see what stupid indoctrinated religious people do to others all the time.

I honestly feel way more threatened by your ilk than some guy who minds his own business, but ****s others in the poop hole.

You get a warning to stop. A clear warning that you will be punished severely.

That you are weak and like me and the rest of mankind in need of forgiveness.

What you choose from now on is on you.

You can't say you haven't been warned.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

By the way....kid doesnt have to have sex of any kind to be gay....just like guys who dont have sex can still be straight. Its a matter of desire not what you do with it.

Okay then why the big commotion?

Gays who don't commit sodomy aren't getting punished

It's the act that'd the crime.

[qrich]

Does the Quran or Sunnah advocate genocide of people ?

Was the first Genocide of the 20th century perpetrated by Muslims?

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Was the first Genocide of the 20th century perpetrated by Muslims?

Chewing compared the religion of Islam to the Holocaust.

He was refuted.

You blamed the religion of Islam for the Armenian genocide.

Now back up your claim.

I don't blame Christianity for the Crusades or Inquisition or the KKK.
Nor do I blame Judaism for tee Israel terrorists.
Nor do I blame Buddhism for the evil wrought against Rohingyan's.

That's an injustice.

Do you understand what that means qrich?

[qrich]

Chewing compared the religion of Islam to the Holocaust.

He was refuted.

You blamed the religion of Islam for the Armenian genocide.

Now back up your claim.

I don't blame Christianity for the Crusades or Inquisition or the KKK.
Nor do I blame Judaism for tee Israel terrorists.
Nor do I blame Buddhism for the evil wrought against Rohingyan's.

That's an injustice.

Do you understand what that means qrich?

Islam was a driving factor of the Armenian, Assyrian and Greek Genocide because they were infidels that refuses to convert and we're "too smart and a threat to take over."

Also, please show me where I blamed Islam for the Genocide. I simply pointed out the fact that Muslims committed said Genocide

[Patrick Chewing]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13661668&postcount=94


I called you out, J$. Keep trying to convince the board you're not a radical.

[iamgine]

I already know you agree.

I also see youre content to repeat yourself when we are talking about entirely different things so....ill let you do that one more time here I guess and let you be.
Well since you said:


Youre equating the decision making of things when only one of them has the ability to make reasoned decisions. A human can decide...not to eat a baby. Its a decision. Humans make decisions with our higher brain functions. Animals have instincts. Being gay isnt a decision no matter what species you are. It being universal among creatures with and without the ability to reason makes that clear.

Youre manufacturing a slippery slope that isnt there because the actions you suggest make an animal different are the very things we DONT do because we have the ability to think. You are making my point...which is that our differences lie in our ability to make decisions....which is why we choose to be different in many ways...such as those you mentioned....but are similar in the ways that are out of all our control. You can choose not to eat your young. An animal cant. Neither of you can choose who attracts you.

it doesn't seem like you understand since you're still talking about consciously choosing while I talked about inclination.

[TheMan]

it's borderline pedophilia imo.

liberals have no problem with an adult man exposing himself to a 11 year old boy bc it's an LBTQ parade and they deserve props for his bravery.

but switch that drag queen with a priest and the lqbtq parade with a church...and oh boy, all of a sudden it's wrong now.

:facepalm liberals disgust me. in their ultimate quest for progressiveness, one they day their sexual promiscuity will have no age boundaries, so they will accept pedophilia under the guise of progressiveness. i mean, taking an 11 year old to where he can see nude adult men in the name of gay pride is approaching pedophilia behaviour as it stands.

https://youtu.be/JxdvOLdG_34

I made a thread a while back about this messed up kid/parents enabling him while the nut fringe liberal media tried to make it ok. Notice all the youtube comments were trashing GMA for attempting to normalize this sick behavior :lol

On a side note, so Wade's kid is gay? That would've been devastating news to me if that were my son. Got great news though, my wife found a letter my 9 year old son wrote to a classmate of his, a GIRL thank God, telling her he likes her, never gave my reason to suspect otherwise but we got over that hurdle, fam :rockon:

:dancin :hammertime: :djparty

One down, one more to go and the 5 year old shows no suspect behavior thankfully

[Akrazotile]

https://youtu.be/JxdvOLdG_34

I made a thread a while back about this messed up kid/parents enabling him while the nut fringe liberal media tried to make it ok. Notice all the youtube comments were trashing GMA for attempting to normalize this sick behavior :lol

On a side note, so Wade's kid is gay? That would've been devastating news to me if that were my son. Got great news though, my wife found a letter my 9 year old son wrote to a classmate of his, a GIRL thank God, telling her he likes her, never gave my reason to suspect otherwise but we got over that hurdle, fam :rockon:

:dancin :hammertime: :djparty

One down, one more to go and the 5 year old shows no suspect behavior thankfully


Weird how sensitive you are to people being disrespectful about anything Mexican, but dont mind suggesting someone born gay would be a shame and disappointment to your family.

Obviously in general the thinking is a bit more primitive down Mexico way, so I get that youre maybe just a product of a poorer and more backward environment. But it

[Patrick Chewing]

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]Weird how sensitive you are to people being disrespectful about anything Mexican, but dont mind suggesting someone born gay would be a shame and disappointment to your family.

Obviously in general the thinking is a bit more primitive down Mexico way, so I get that youre maybe just a product of a poorer and more backward environment. But it

[Akrazotile]

Mexicans are hypocrites. They also have a huge racist problem down in Mexico. Black Mexicans are treated like absolute shit down there. No wonder they want to come to the United States.


That’s what’s weird. TheMan seems to have huge resentment for American republicans, yet seems to be himself a Mexican republican.

Maybe he just feels rejected by Americans I guess?

[Patrick Chewing]

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]That

[Akrazotile]

It's true. TheMan packed his bags and took his family with him back to Mexico, but he still preoccupies himself with American politics. He sits in his hacienda on his high donkey pointing his finger at us when he probably spat on a few Afro-Mexican beggars down the street.

What a disgrace. This is not the Mexico we need. We need to make Mexico great again.



:roll: :roll: :roll: :applause:

[tpols]

Mexicans are hypocrites. They also have a huge racist problem down in Mexico. Black Mexicans are treated like absolute shit down there. No wonder they want to come to the United States.


Weren't they literally stoning central American immigrants passing through?

And then have the nerve to come on here saying trump is racist for securing our border?

:wtf:

I can't believe these clowns funnel all their problems to USA so the system can be milked dry, and then act like they arent complicit.

I hope trump lets them have it.

[SomeBlackDude]

I hope trump lets them have it.

oh he let them have it already. you seen his twitter feed?

sick burns all around.

mehico's gonna need that extra strength first aid burn cream.

that'll learn em.

:bowdown:

[TheMan]

Looks like my post triggered a few ISHers with obvious homosexual tendencies :oldlol:

[dunksby]

I made a thread a while back about this messed up kid/parents enabling him while the nut fringe liberal media tried to make it ok. Notice all the youtube comments were trashing GMA for attempting to normalize this sick behavior :lol

On a side note, so Wade's kid is gay? That would've been devastating news to me if that were my son. Got great news though, my wife found a letter my 9 year old son wrote to a classmate of his, a GIRL thank God, telling her he likes her, never gave my reason to suspect otherwise but we got over that hurdle, fam :rockon:

One down, one more to go and the 5 year old shows no suspect behavior thankfully
Good to see you are happy with how you kids are turning out, I see that you are a bit worried so I figured I might be able to help.

My sister used to be a serious Tomboy, she is four years older than I am, so I only remember the later stages of her character development.

I remember she used to throw the skirts my mom bought her out of her room and screaming she hated skirts and that she wanted to be a boy and wear boy's clothes and act like boys. She would keep her hair short and wear only tees and pants.

Looking back, it makes me so proud to have such intelligent parents seeing how expertly they handled the situation. They did not force her to wear skirts or grow her hair, but they wouldn't pretend she was a boy as she expected them to. My parents pretty much treated it as a stage and let it run its course. They didn't panic, they didn't rush her into a psychiatrist's office or try to hammer girly norms into her head. By the time she hit puberty, my sister had moved on from it although I remember her saying stuff like she wished she had been born a boy or such but I could tell her heart wasn't in it.

When I imagine a similar case in today's climate happening in an even semi-liberal family, it scares me cause the most probable outcome would be the parents caving into a child's whims and subjecting them to an irreversible procedure which scars them both physically and psychologically for the rest of their lives.

I guess what I am trying to tell you is that even if your kids start acting up, do not get worked up about it and keep a level head. Kids are dumb but they are also stubborn, it's up to the parents to think and act like a responsible adult.

[NumberSix]

What?

My point is that is ISNT rare. Thats its way more than the 1 in 100 . Not that that would even be rare big picture wise.
:facepalm

I didn

[red1]

Looks like my post triggered a few ISHers with obvious homosexual tendencies :oldlol:
Be careful man. Patrick is a crusader for the rights of homosexuals. Gay marriage and legal recognition, plus the countless support groups and funding just aren't enough. He's gotta liberate them all no matter which nook or cranny of the world they are located.



Blessed be thy Fatrick for he will free them all

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[SomeBlackDude]

Be careful man. Patrick is a crusader for the rights of homosexuals. Gay marriage and legal recognition, plus the countless support groups and funding just aren't enough. He's gotta liberate them all no matter which nook or cranny of the world they are located.



Blessed be thy Fatrick for he will free them all

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big pat is a complicated man.

unrepentant bigot/islamaphobe.

would die fighting for the rights of gays.

renaissance chewing.

:applause:

[red1]

big pat is a complicated man.

unrepentant bigot/islamaphobe.

would die fighting for the rights of gays.

renaissance chewing.

:applause:
Big Fatrick - the Soldier of Sodomy, the Jesuit of catching jizz, the preacher of prepubescent penetration.

[red1]

Fatrick worshiping at mass:



"Thank you lord for all the cocks in my life. Thank you lord for the never-ending stream of ***** in my face."


"Amen"

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[TheMan]

Weird how sensitive you are to people being disrespectful about anything Mexican, but dont mind suggesting someone born gay would be a shame and disappointment to your family.

Obviously in general the thinking is a bit more primitive down Mexico way, so I get that youre maybe just a product of a poorer and more backward environment. But it’s weird how you dont seem to see the paradox in your own thinking.
I thought about not even bothering with your post but I just had to point out how wrong you are. Mexico City was the first Latin American city to legalize gay marriage a decade ago so no, we aren't that "backwards". We also don't stone twinks to death. I support gay rights, they should have the same rights as everyone and they should not be discriminated against BUT we should also not permit that homosexuality be viewed as normal because its not. Basically I'm against the gay agenda of trying to normalize homosexuality, thats it. Now you may want a bottom as your son but hell no I don't want a little flamer running around in my house. If that makes me a homophobe, then so be it.

Its a father thing, obviously you wouldn't have a clue about that...

[TheMan]

Fatrick worshiping at mass:



"Thank you lord for all the cocks in my life. Thank you lord for the never-ending stream of ***** in my face."


"Amen"

http://www.oneequalworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/3035609955_9e5507785d_z.jpg
:yaohappy:

Patrick is a complicated dude :lol

[Patrick Chewing]

:yaohappy:

Patrick is a complicated dude :lol


LOL you're a flip flopper man. One day you oppose Muzzies, and now you're siding with one. Mexico is a very Catholic country bro. I would be careful who you offend down in Chihuahua.

[TheMan]

LOL you're a flip flopper man. One day you oppose Muzzies, and now you're siding with one. Mexico is a very Catholic country bro. I would be careful who you offend down in Chihuahua.
I'm not siding with him, I just think its hilarious that you're so pro-gay.

I could imagine you parading with all those twinks at the gay pride parade :oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

I'm not siding with him, I just think its hilarious that you're so pro-gay.

I could imagine you parading with all those twinks at the gay pride parade :oldlol:


:facepalm


I'm pro gay now? Do you forget what thread you're posting in? I'm not pro-gay, I'm anti-murdering someone because they're gay. So by your logic, I'm assuming you want to murder gay people too. Interesting.


Murder is illegal ya know. And it's one of the Ten Commandments.

[red1]

"Catcher in the Eye - The life and times of Fatrick Chewing"



I've outdone myself. :roll:

[red1]

:facepalm


I'm pro gay now? Do you forget what thread you're posting in? I'm not pro-gay, I'm anti-murdering someone because they're gay. So by your logic, I'm assuming you want to murder gay people too. Interesting.


Murder is illegal ya know. And it's one of the Ten Commandments.
So you admit that you're a fraud? And that you actually don't care about the well-being homosexuals and are just looking for a reason to be triggered?



Are you actually this ****ing dumb? Homosexuality is a sin in Christianity as well.

[Patrick Chewing]

So you admit that you're a fraud? And that you actually don't care about the well-being homosexuals and are just looking for a reason to be triggered?



Are you actually this ****ing dumb? Homosexuality is a sin in Christianity as well.


I fear you have the mentality of a child. But that's what I expect of Muzzies.


Whether homosexuality is a sin or not, Christianity does not condone nor push for the execution of homosexuals. Since Islam is nothing more than a blood cult, ya'll will find any excuse to see that blood spray from someone's neck. Sick ****s.

[NumberSix]

Whether homosexuality is a sin or not, Christianity does not condone nor push for the execution of homosexuals.
This.

Being lazy is also a sin. No Christian thinks being lazy is a death penalty offense.

Some of y

[Akrazotile]

big pat is a complicated man.

unrepentant bigot/islamaphobe.

would die fighting for the rights of gays.

renaissance chewing.

:applause:


Religion and culture - any of them - should not be lumped in with demographic traits outside a person’s control, ie race, nationality, physical appearance, sexual attraction etc.

Religion and culture should be fair game for criticism and discrimination IMO. Most religious people - any religion - would prefer to discriminate against others outside their religion if it were legal to do so. And frankly they should be allowed to do so if they want.

People choose their religion just like they choose their political affilition just like they choose what to wear in the morning. Criticizing any of that is not bigotry IMO. You can also choose to criticize one culture/religion and not another just as you could with political affiliation.

Incidentally there are as many “Christophobes” on the left as there are Islamophobes on the right. The hypocrsiy of the left is massive. There is hypocrisy on the right as well but right now today I think the left is taking the cake, and frankly I dont think it’s close.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

I fear you have the mentality of a child. But that's what I expect of Muzzies.

A man referring to a group of people by a disparaging name saying others have the mentality of a child.

Okay.




Whether homosexuality is a sin or not, Christianity does not condone nor push for the execution of homosexuals. Since Islam is nothing more than a blood cult, ya'll will find any excuse to see that blood spray from someone's neck. Sick ****s.

Are you ready to tell God Almighty on the Day of Judgment, that the way of life that is in complete submission to His Will is "nothing more than a blood cult?"

Are you ready to tell God Almighty that you just claimed that His servants are "sick f***s" who find any excuse to see blood spray?

Do you want that on your record?

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]Religion and culture - any of them - should not be lumped in with demographic traits outside a person

[RRR3]

I very much doubt the existence of god.

And if there was a god who hated people simply for being gay, they wouldn’t be worth worshipping.

[Patrick Chewing]

A man referring to a group of people by a disparaging name saying others have the mentality of a child.

Okay.




Are you ready to tell God Almighty on the Day of Judgment, that the way of life that is in complete submission to His Will is "nothing more than a blood cult?"

Are you ready to tell God Almighty that you just claimed that His servants are "sick f***s" who find any excuse to see blood spray?

Do you want that on your record?


LOL! Muslims that believe in killing and torturing people based on their archaic beliefs are not servants of God. Servants of the Devil is more like it.

[red1]

I fear you have the mentality of a child. But that's what I expect of Muzzies.


Whether homosexuality is a sin or not, Christianity does not condone nor push for the execution of homosexuals. Since Islam is nothing more than a blood cult, ya'll will find any excuse to see that blood spray from someone's neck. Sick ****s.
you can suck my dick bitch. oh wait I'm kidding you might actually enjoy that. :oldlol:



I know I know low-hanging fruit immature joke - sorry I just can't help myself you're just such a ****ing joke!! :roll:

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cDRdH33eFXU/VQhlhsvGoeI/AAAAAAAAA3o/OaXdvBIJ9e0/s1600/Sodom%2Band%2BGomorrah.gif

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Listen, you guys can all antagonize "homophobes" until Kingdom Come---but let me remind you of some visuals of what happened many centuries ago.

A nation was destroyed.

You don't want your nation to be destroyed.

[RRR3]

Natural disasters aren’t proof of the existence of a deity.

And again, why should we worship a deity who tells us people should be condemned simply for being different than us? Sounds like a shitty hateful deity.

[red1]

https://conservativepapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/sodom-and-gomorrah.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cDRdH33eFXU/VQhlhsvGoeI/AAAAAAAAA3o/OaXdvBIJ9e0/s1600/Sodom%2Band%2BGomorrah.gif

https://blog.world-mysteries.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/sodom_gomorrah_2.jpg

Listen, you guys can all antagonize "homophobes" until Kingdom Come---but let me remind you of some visuals of what happened many centuries ago.

A nation was destroyed.

You don't want your nation to be destroyed.
I don't know about that - my take is that when you run out of men and have a society of limpwristed fakkits aka a society of fatricks then it's inevitable that you'll face some challenges. namely a declining birthrate which is problematic for obvious reasons.


you're lucky that you were born in the 20th century fatrick. :no:

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Natural disasters aren’t proof of the existence of a deity.

Specific brimstone directed to a town that was guilty of sodomy after the following events is just one, of a million proofs of The Creator. I can't do anything to convince you, all I can ask is that you observe the world around you and meditate on it. Think---is this the work of One Creator?

The events went like this

1) Sodom and Gomorrah is loaded with sin (transgression). Among those sins are sodomy openly in public, unabashedly, highway robbery etc and all kinds of lowly despicable behavior
2) Lut (AS), a Prophet chosen by God is sent there to convey an important message
3) Sodom and Gomorrah rejects him, hates his preaching.
4) Sodom and Gomorrah obstinately refuse to change their ways.
5) Lut (AS) prays to God to be saved.
6) Angels are sent to Abraham (AS) (who behaves like an excellent host offering them fresh roasted meat), Lut's uncle to give him glad tidings of a new son, Isaac, and in regards to Lut (AS).
7) Angels come to visit Lut (AS) disguised as handsome young men, Lut's wife tells people around the city they have these guest
8) People of Sodom and Gomorrah knock on the door attempt to rape the angels.
9) Lut (AS) even offers his daughters for them to marry and to take their sexual desires on but they decline.
10) Lut warns them of God's punishment. They say, "Bring God's punishment if you are truthful!"
11) Lut (AS) and his family escape at night.
12) God turns the city upside down and rains stones on it.
13) Sodom and Gomorrah are utterly destroyed.

It's a lesson, along with other stories (like that of Ad and Thamud) to observe The Almighty's limits---lest we meet our own destruction.





And again, why should we worship a deity who tells us people should be condemned simply for being different than us? Sounds like a shitty hateful deity.
Alright, first of all I don't want to argue with you, because you seem like a legitimately nice guy towards other people who are not your own kind---and last thing i want to do is hurt someone with a compassionate heart. Here are a few points, take it or leave it.

Secondly, God doesn't hate people for being gay---that is a huge misinterpretation. Actually, if you are gay and you don't act on your desires you could be very blessed potentially.
A more accurate perspective is that God does not like transgressors---and ignoring women and engaging in sodomy openly and being proud of that is tarnsgression.

Thirdly, your new response "people should be condemned for being different than us" is not correct. Rather, we were created with a proper fitrah (nature) where men seek women, and vice versa. With the body that God gave us, we have a choice to use it right (i.e. praying, earning a good livelihood, exercising, having sex with a wife in a commited marriage, doing good actions, saying good things) or wrong (abusing it with cigs, alcohol, gay, needles, doing evil things, saying evil things). By choosing to do it wrong is what causes God's displeasure--but even then we can't say He hates us, because He still gives us so long to turn to Him in repentance.

Not because they are different. Actually, all human beings---black, white, red, yellow, whatever--- just by the fact they were created by God are extremely precious and valuable and dignified and blessed.


Fourthly, how could you possibly call them hateful when you have to realize that all these gifts bestowed upon you and I were given for free.
- Existence and life itself. Seriously even a billion dollars doesn't compare to the gift of just BEING ALIVE!!
- The fact that we have a chance at being a human being which has far more intellect/spirit/moral than any animal.
- The body that we have.
- The brain that we possess---far more advanced than any computer.
- Every morsel of food we've had
- The oxygen we breathe
- The clothing we wear
- The loving care of our parents (mother especially)
- The joy of being able to read and write and have an education
- The friends and companionship we enjoy
- The knowledge and wisdom we can attain
- Every sweet pleasure of life.

etc---and all the other blessings.


And we didn't do anything to earn those. Those were gifts given out of His Grace.

And again, RRR3, I don't want to fight with you or come off as preachy because even if I was to pray devoutly for FIVE HUNDRED YEARS, I could never pay back God for one of th e blessings let alone all of them that I enjoy every moment-- so I'm guilty of ingratitude as well.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Gay sex and adultery will be punishable by stoning to death and thieves will be amputated under 'vicious' new Sharia laws brought in by Brunei (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6855129/Gay-sex-punishable-stoning-death-vicious-new-Sharia-laws-brought-Brunei.html)





Sounds like a wonderful, modernized country.


https://geology.com/world/brunei-map.gif

From a gay Muslim in reddit
[QUOTE]Something that I'm getting tired of is that when people talk about gay Muslims, they always go out and talk to gay ex-Muslims or self-identified gay "Muslims" who hold critical or contradictory views on Islam (like openly criticizing the Qur'an--I mean the Irshad Manij types).
People, both Muslims and non-Muslims need to understand that gay Muslims and gay ex-Muslims ARE NOT the same. Just because gay ex-Muslims were Muslim at one point doesn't mean they have agency to speak for someone like me, an ACTUAL gay Muslim.
If you are a gay ex-Muslims you need to understand that your experiences, mentality and thought process ARE NOT the same as that of a gay Muslim, like myself.
The way, I, a gay Muslim, view sex, sexuality, etc. is NOT the same as a way a gay ex-Muslim sees it.
So in the light of the Brunei news, I'm getting really tired of people saying things like "Brunei is executing gays for who they are". On the r/exMuslim sub, someone outright told me that the Prophet would have me "killed for existing".
I really am getting tired of hearing this stuff. The laws in Brunei DO NOT punish gay Muslims for existing, or being who they are. My existence as a gay Muslim IS NOT tied to me engaging in **** sex. Whether or not homosexuality is a choice is a different discussion, but as a gay Muslim, I DO HAVE the agency and choice to NOT engage in **** sex. My identity and existence is NOT reduced to **** sex, just as how a straight person's identity and existence can't be reduced to ******l sex.
So that's why it's really infuriating when I see ex-Muslims or non-Muslims say stuff like "your religion kills you for who you are". Like no it isn't habibi, my very center of existance isn't about having **** sex.
As a Muslim, I view sexuality different from you guys. My sexuality isn't a defining characteristic of me. I go to mosque, pray, have Muslim friends and grow a beard just like every other Muslim male. There's a high chance many of you have a gay Muslim friend that you're unaware of. So you're mistaken if you think I somehow want you to come and "save" me from the big bad Muslim male WHEN I MYSELF am a Saudi Muslim male, and likely would be assumed to be straight unless otherwise said (I'm a masc gay).
Edit: To those who are asking, YES I do believe homosexual acts are a sin in Islam and I

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brother jefferson please be careful when sharing salacious details of this nature.


our misguided friend fatrick chewing already fantasizes about muslim men - I'm worried what he will do if he finds out that there are gay muslim men...

[RRR3]

I do care about people who are different than me, which is why I don’t see why gay sex should offend anyone. Logically that is. I get why it offends people for religious reasons but that is illogical. If two people love each other it shouldn’t matter if they’re a man and a woman or a man and a man or a woman and a woman. Denying people the right to have sex is bullshit...as is expecting anyone to repent for having sex.

[highwhey]

brother jefferson please be careful when sharing salacious details of this nature.


our misguided friend fatrick chewing already fantasizes about muslim men - I'm worried what he will do if he finds out that there are gay muslim men...
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[GimmeThat]

so when I see the mirror, I can't see another man, nor can I play no-limit holdem'

since the roulette of sex organs and faces are in play