Apparently Jordan was

[Dray n Klay]

Why? What did he do? :wtf:

[Spurs m8]

Why? What did he do? :wtf:

No shit.
Probably the gambling.

Still a far better player than your hero....they're not even in the same sentence.

[kennethgriffen]

still waiting for lebrons suspension for being linked to a steroid clinic back in 2013

[Dray n Klay]

still waiting for lebrons suspension for being linked to a steroid clinic back in 2013


Should Kobe have gotten suspended for going to Germany

[egokiller]

DaReal Lambo had sex with Gloria James

[AirTupac]

DaReal Lambo had sex with Gloria James
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[kennethgriffen]

Should Kobe have gotten suspended for going to Germany


no because he wasn't linked to a steroid clinic



and even if he was he never won anything after that while lebron basically had all his success on roids

[AirFederer]

Why? What did he do? :wtf:
He killed the League.

MJNBAKillah

[Vino24]

Steroids

[Jon Salley's 10]

Owed the Russian Mafia alot of dough due to gambling.
Im talking 7 figures

[MrFonzworth]

No, he retired. Stern passed a law prohibiting the murdering of one's own father and Jordan retired out of principle.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Owed the Russian Mafia alot of dough due to gambling.
Im talking 7 figures



This whole "Dad killer" is among the dumbest theories I've read on this site.


Mike's Dad pulled over at a roadside rest and was shot by two hoods.

In fact, they're still in prison.
Facts:


"Green has said that he helped dump Jordan’s body into a swamp, that he and Demery stole the Lexus and took a collection of prized possessions that had belonged to Michael Jordan’s father. Most damning, in the days after the murder, Green filmed a rap video in which, preening and strutting, he wore an NBA championship watch that Michael Jordan had given to his father as well as the Bulls star’s 1986 NBA All-Star ring."


"Twenty-three days after originally crossing paths with James Jordan, Green and Demery were arrested and charged with murder, done in largely by calls they’d made from Jordan’s car phone."

You think a guy like Mike in '93 after 3 chips and 9 years in the league couldn't handle a 7 figure debt? Go look at the 40 mil house he bought in Chicago in '91. 9.99 million would have been chump change.


Mike retired because he stated he wanted his Dad to have seen his last NBA game, and his pops always wanted him to be a baseball player. I was 20 in college and watched his announcement live on TV.


Even if that's all smoke and mirrors and Stern wanted him out due to excessive gambling, I'll never believe his Dad stopping at a roadside rest in a shiny red Lexus was somehow orchestrated by the "Russian Mafia". Mike would have paid the debt at the mere threat of this - come on people - use common sense.:facepalm


http://graphics.chicagotribune.com/james-jordan-murder/index.html

[SpaceJam2]

No, he retired. Stern passed a law prohibiting the murdering of one's own father and Jordan retired out of principle.

Was this part of Jordan's "Killer instinct"

https://media.giphy.com/media/26xBGekbXJHY8KpUY/giphy.gif

[SpaceJam2]

[QUOTE=Shaquille O'Neal]This whole "Dad killer" is among the dumbest theories I've read on this site.


Mike's Dad pulled over at a roadside rest and was shot by two hoods.

In fact, they're still in prison.
Facts:


"Green has said that he helped dump Jordan

[tpols]

Most damning, in the days after the murder, Green filmed a rap video in which, preening and strutting, he wore an NBA championship watch that Michael Jordan had given to his father as well as the Bulls star’s 1986 NBA All-Star ring."


was it bobby shmurda Sr. ?

:biggums:

[Shaquille O'Neal]

SpaceTard2 - You think a MAFIA hit over gambling would result in there being ANY evidence left over? The Mafia doesn't kill people then MAKE cell phone calls to their buddies from the dead person's car phone and shoot videos of people wearing all-star rings from the superstar.


A "mafia hit" would have been them following him, walking up and putting two in the head and shooting through the glass. The reality is this is a very sad case and a rich person being in the wrong place at the wrong time. "Gambling" has 0 to do with it. People who you owe "7 figures too" want their money.



Think...before you post. :facepalm

[Shaquille O'Neal]

The plan, Demery testified, was for him and Green to commit a robbery near I-95 and U.S. 74 in the middle of the night near a Quality Inn where the teens hoped to run across unsuspecting tourists.
While preparing for their crime, Demery said, the two teens noticed Jordan

[SpaceJam2]

SpaceTard2 - You think a MAFIA hit over gambling would result in there being ANY evidence left over? The Mafia doesn't kill people then MAKE cell phone calls to their buddies from the dead person's car phone and shoot videos of people wearing all-star rings from the superstar.


A "mafia hit" would have been them following him, walking up and putting two in the head and shooting through the glass. The reality is this is a very sad case and a rich person being in the wrong place at the wrong time. "Gambling" has 0 to do with it. People who you owe "7 figures too" want their money.



Think...before you post. :facepalm

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[Shaquille O'Neal]

Ultimately, James Jordan

[Shaquille O'Neal]

https://i.postimg.cc/8PHWZQTG/so-loud.png



Had you ever lost a parent you'd know it's nothing to joke about. I'll forgive you for being probably 14 - but think before you post.

[bobopenguin]

DaReal Lambo had sex with Gloria James

u know, leStans see Gloria as their mom too...

[bullettooth]

come on people - use common sense.:facepalm


Wheels doesn't do that. Never has. Never will. That's why he's a LeBron fan.

[BarberSchool]

Quarter mil per finals game in 1993 finals.
To keep himself motivated when tired in 4th quarters.

Also gambling large sums with LCN dudes playing golf.
They're rumored to have gotten his pops murdered ...
... when he wouldn't pay them.

Mike was the most competiutive ballsy pro basketball player ever.
Name a n!cca you know who would tell 90's mobsters to go pound sand when he owed them millions in golf gambling debts.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Quarter mil per finals game in 1993 finals.
To keep himself motivated when tired in 4th quarters.

Also gambling large sums with LCN dudes playing golf.
They're rumored to have gotten his pops murdered ...
... when he wouldn't pay them.

Mike was the most competiutive ballsy pro basketball player ever.
Name a n!cca you know who would tell 90's mobsters to go pound sand when he owed them millions in golf gambling debts.



Is this thing on?
Name a mobster who would kill someone, make a bunch of calls to other teenage crime-spree kids on the deceased person's cell phone, and leave a body in plain view near a river.
Better yet, name a mobster who would STOP with just the one death. They'd continue to kill until they got their money back.


But, a black man in southeastern USA (in 1993) in a shiny red Lexus at a road side rest probably flashing some jewelry on his wrist would never be a target? :facepalm So now the mobsters FOLLOWED Mr. Jordan until he just happen to pull over at a roadside rest? One shot to the chest? The killers made a video of them wearing Jordan's jewelry and BOTH are still in the PEN for life.


I have to log off now. These boards are getting dumber and dumber.

[3ball]

It's sad because I heard Skip Bayless the other day say jordan was banned from the league, basically spreading false information

That's what the media does now.. spread false info

Broussard said the other day that 07' lebron beat the "Bad Boys 2"'... :facepalm

And Lebron carries soup cans to the Finals, except he only did that in 07' when AI, Dwight, and Kidd did the same thing that decade... .and he LEFT Cleveland because he couldn't win in 09/10

Yeah, I entered lebron into the thread to prove that the media spreads false info all the time.. You have to verify everything you hear yourself

[Soundwave]

It's a dumb theory if you really use any common sense.

First of all Commisoner Stern isn't like the "school principal" who gets to expel people. Most NBA fans don't even know his f**king job ... his job is to work on behalf of the OWNERS of the NBA franchises to maximize their franchise values.

Suspending/banning Jordan is the dumbest thing they could have done. They tanked their TV ratings. All Jordan would have to say is go to Nike and say Stern is forcing him out and there would be hell to pay from the NBA's top sponsors -- Nike, Gatorade/Pepsi-Cola, McDonalds, NBC would all come down on Stern's ass and he would be the one getting fired very fast.

Ain't no one buying Air Stern sneakers or wearing Stern jerseys, any number of people can do that job, there's only one Michael Jordan and that was the NBA's golden ticket.

The controversy wasn't even that big of a deal, in a decade of the OJ Simpson trial for murder, Michael Jackson sex allegations, Princess Diana-Prince Charles divorce, Hugh Grant getting busted solliciting prostitutes, Jordan having some golf gambling debts was laughably tame. It was his own money, he wasn't hurting anyone.

Finally, no "mafia hit" would send two naive 16/17 year old kids to perform a hit on the most famous person's father on the planet at that time. Those kid's would snitch and rat out the truth faster than you could say donughts in a police interrogation. Heck even to this day I believe both (now) men are trying still to rat out the other one to get a lesser sentence.

Beyond that, what did Stern magically also manipulate the baseball strike right in spring 1995 so Jordan could magically come back right then? Why was he even allowed back just 16 months later? What exactly was the NBA's plan if the baseball strike didn't happen and Jordan just kept on playing baseball?

Barkley's gambled at least as much as Jordan ever did, probably more. Many NBA players have gambling issues, since when does the NBA ban all of them? When Kobe Bryant was on trial for alleged rape of a white girl, I'd bet good $$$$ the NBA and all his sponsors would've gladly traded the bad optics of that situation for a silly golf gambling bet issue instead. The NBA has dealt with far worse.

It's all an incredibly stupid theory.

[SpaceJam2]

It's sad because I heard Skip Bayless the other day say jordan was banned from the league, basically spreading false information

That's what the media does now.. spread false info

Broussard said the other day that 07' lebron beat the "Bad Boys 2"'... :facepalm

And Lebron carries soup cans to the Finals, except he only did that in 07' when AI, Dwight, and Kidd did the same thing that decade... .and he LEFT Cleveland because he couldn't win in 09/10

Yeah, I entered lebron into the thread to prove that the media spreads false info all the time.. You have to verify everything you hear yourself

Jordan was banned

They were the Bad Boys 2

He did carry soup cans in 2007, 2014 and 2018

[305Baller]

Wilt wrestled alligators, too

[Real14]

Mods?

[sportjames23]

It's a dumb theory if you really use any common sense.

First of all Commisoner Stern isn't like the "school principal" who gets to expel people. Most NBA fans don't even know his f**king job ... his job is to work on behalf of the OWNERS of the NBA franchises to maximize their franchise values.

Suspending/banning Jordan is the dumbest thing they could have done. They tanked their TV ratings. All Jordan would have to say is go to Nike and say Stern is forcing him out and there would be hell to pay from the NBA's top sponsors -- Nike, Gatorade/Pepsi-Cola, McDonalds, NBC would all come down on Stern's ass and he would be the one getting fired very fast.

Ain't no one buying Air Stern sneakers or wearing Stern jerseys, any number of people can do that job, there's only one Michael Jordan and that was the NBA's golden ticket.

The controversy wasn't even that big of a deal, in a decade of the OJ Simpson trial for murder, Michael Jackson sex allegations, Princess Diana-Prince Charles divorce, Hugh Grant getting busted solliciting prostitutes, Jordan having some golf gambling debts was laughably tame. It was his own money, he wasn't hurting anyone.

Finally, no "mafia hit" would send two naive 16/17 year old kids to perform a hit on the most famous person's father on the planet at that time. Those kid's would snitch and rat out the truth faster than you could say donughts in a police interrogation. Heck even to this day I believe both (now) men are trying still to rat out the other one to get a lesser sentence.

Beyond that, what did Stern magically also manipulate the baseball strike right in spring 1995 so Jordan could magically come back right then? Why was he even allowed back just 16 months later? What exactly was the NBA's plan if the baseball strike didn't happen and Jordan just kept on playing baseball?

Barkley's gambled at least as much as Jordan ever did, probably more. Many NBA players have gambling issues, since when does the NBA ban all of them? When Kobe Bryant was on trial for alleged rape of a white girl, I'd bet good $$$$ the NBA and all his sponsors would've gladly traded the bad optics of that situation for a silly golf gambling bet issue instead. The NBA has dealt with far worse.

It's all an incredibly stupid theory.


This. All this. :cheers:

[3ball]

Jordan was banned

They were the Bad Boys 2

He did carry soup cans in 2007, 2014 and 2018
If he "carried" soup cans, why did he only need 22/6/5 to win the 2014 ecf, and weak stats in the 07 run?

Btw, here's more proof of the media lying - they say lebron's regular season PER is 28.3 and higher than mj's 27.9, but Lebron's is 27.6, not 28.3:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TPgqVVm7dSM&t=02m30s


Of course, MJ hater Isiah says lebron never had a good coach, even though he rejects coaching from everyone, and had the COY in 09', the most renowned international coach ever in 15', and played for Riley's organization/Spolestra

And btw, Wade/Bosh were all-stars in 14/15/16, so not soup cans, and younger/better than 98' Pippen, who never made another all-star team and was done

[SpaceJam2]

If he "carried" soup cans, why did he only need 22/6/5 to win the 2014 ecf, and weak stats in the 07 run?

Btw, here's more proof of the media lying - they say lebron's regular season PER is 28.3 and higher than mj's 27.9, but Lebron's is 27.6, not 28.3:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TPgqVVm7dSM&t=02m30s


Of course, MJ hater Isiah says lebron never had a good coach, even though he rejects coaching from everyone, and had the COY in 09', the most renowned international coach ever in 15', and played for Riley's organization/Spolestra

And btw, Wade/Bosh were all-stars in 14/15/16, so not soup cans, and younger/better than 98' Pippen, who never made another all-star team and was done

If LeBron had "weak" stats in 2007 then you must have missed game 5 in Detroit where he scored 25 consecutive points. Im convinced you haven't watched a game since 2003 when MJ was a Wizard :lol

Can you really say with a straight face Bron didn't go off in 2007 at 22 years old carrying soup cans? You said "weak stats in the 07 run?"

vs Wizards, Bron: 28-9-8 on 55% TS with ORtg 126 :eek: (24.6 GmScore)
vs Nets, Bron: 25-7-9 on 54% TS (20.0 GmScore)
vs Pistons, Bron: 26-9-9 on 54% TS (22.9 GmScore)

Jordan in 96 winning FMVP
vs Sonics, MJ: 27-5-4 on 54% TS (18.5 GmScore)

Why do you keep ethering yourself? With LeBron, every single series in 2007 was better than Jordan's 96 Finals run. Are you a masochist?

[Bawkish]

If LeBron had "weak" stats in 2007 then you must have missed game 5 in Detroit where he scored 25 consecutive points. Im convinced you haven't watched a game since 2003 when MJ was a Wizard :lol

Can you really say with a straight face Bron didn't go off in 2007 at 22 years old carrying soup cans? You said "weak stats in the 07 run?"

vs Wizards, Bron: 28-9-8 on 55% TS with ORtg 126 :eek: (24.6 GmScore)
vs Nets, Bron: 25-7-9 on 54% TS (20.0 GmScore)
vs Pistons, Bron: 26-9-9 on 54% TS (22.9 GmScore)

Jordan in 96 winning FMVP
vs Sonics, MJ: 27-5-4 on 54% TS (18.5 GmScore)

Why do you keep ethering yourself? With LeBron, every single series in 2007 was better than Jordan's 96 Finals run. Are you a masochist?

2007 Wizards - 41-41
2007 Nets - 41-41
2007 Pistons "Bad Boys 2" - 53-29

1996 Sonics - 64-18

the competition is laughable :lol

[SpaceJam2]

2007 Wizards - 41-41
2007 Nets - 41-41
2007 Pistons "Bad Boys 2" - 53-29

1996 Sonics - 64-18

the competition is laughable :lol

1996 Bullls - 72-10

Should have been so ez right? :lol


And nice failed attempt at moving the goal posts. Try harder my guy

[Bawkish]

1996 Bullls - 72-10

Should have been so ez right? :lol


And nice failed attempt at moving the goal posts. Try harder my guy

imagine MJ posting almost the same stats with Lebron but doing it against the 2nd top defensive team that year :eek:

while Bron is battling teams within .500 record :lol

[Soundwave]

It's also just profoundly stupid business, it makes no business sense.

The NBA had just lost Magic Johnson in 1991.

In 1992 they lost Bird to retirement.

So in 1993 they willing go out of their way to lose the biggest star they've ever had, the most popular person arguably on the face of the planet, at a time where TV ratings are booming, sponsorship levels are through the roof.

When Jordan retired the NFL, NHL, etc. were all celebrating big time because the NBA which was rising massively in popularity finally had lost it's golden ticket. And finally it was like "OK NBA, lets see how well you do now without Jordan".

If you buy that ... let me save you some trouble here. Don't ever go into business. Because you're a moron who probably can't even run a lemonade stand. You have no understanding of business.

The NBA would never do that willingly.

[Elosha]

https://i.postimg.cc/8PHWZQTG/so-loud.png

You are fast approaching the ceiling for ISH's dumbassery. Congrats, whether or not you are truly a new poster, or just another interminable alt.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

It's a dumb theory if you really use any common sense.

First of all Commisoner Stern isn't like the "school principal" who gets to expel people. Most NBA fans don't even know his f**king job ... his job is to work on behalf of the OWNERS of the NBA franchises to maximize their franchise values.

Suspending/banning Jordan is the dumbest thing they could have done. They tanked their TV ratings. All Jordan would have to say is go to Nike and say Stern is forcing him out and there would be hell to pay from the NBA's top sponsors -- Nike, Gatorade/Pepsi-Cola, McDonalds, NBC would all come down on Stern's ass and he would be the one getting fired very fast.

Ain't no one buying Air Stern sneakers or wearing Stern jerseys, any number of people can do that job, there's only one Michael Jordan and that was the NBA's golden ticket.

The controversy wasn't even that big of a deal, in a decade of the OJ Simpson trial for murder, Michael Jackson sex allegations, Princess Diana-Prince Charles divorce, Hugh Grant getting busted solliciting prostitutes, Jordan having some golf gambling debts was laughably tame. It was his own money, he wasn't hurting anyone.

Finally, no "mafia hit" would send two naive 16/17 year old kids to perform a hit on the most famous person's father on the planet at that time. Those kid's would snitch and rat out the truth faster than you could say donughts in a police interrogation. Heck even to this day I believe both (now) men are trying still to rat out the other one to get a lesser sentence.

Beyond that, what did Stern magically also manipulate the baseball strike right in spring 1995 so Jordan could magically come back right then? Why was he even allowed back just 16 months later? What exactly was the NBA's plan if the baseball strike didn't happen and Jordan just kept on playing baseball?

Barkley's gambled at least as much as Jordan ever did, probably more. Many NBA players have gambling issues, since when does the NBA ban all of them? When Kobe Bryant was on trial for alleged rape of a white girl, I'd bet good $$$$ the NBA and all his sponsors would've gladly traded the bad optics of that situation for a silly golf gambling bet issue instead. The NBA has dealt with far worse.

It's all an incredibly stupid theory. :applause::applause::applause::applause:

[Hey Yo]

The funniest and most pathetic thing about the whole ordeal is MJ coming back with 17 games left in the season to try to win a ring the absolute easiest way possible.

It'd be so funny watching his stans making up reasons as to why it's a legit championship.

[Elosha]

The funniest and most pathetic thing about the whole ordeal is MJ coming back with 17 games left in the season to try to win a ring the absolute easiest way possible.

It'd be so funny watching his stans making up reasons as to why it's a legit championship.

Coming back rusty and with a very different team with new players and new dynamics is the easiest way to win a championship? Have you ever played any level of competitive basketball?

[Bawkish]

The funniest and most pathetic thing about the whole ordeal is MJ coming back with 17 games left in the season to try to win a ring the absolute easiest way possible.

It'd be so funny watching his stans making up reasons as to why it's a legit championship.

No

Whats more laughable is making the decision to collude with 2 other allstars then made a media event in order to boast to win not 1 not 2 not 3 and all that crap then proceeded to fall face flat against a team with only 1 legit allstar, then getting outplayed by the likes of Jason Terry and JJ Barea

[Hey Yo]

Coming back rusty and with a very different team with new players and new dynamics is the easiest way to win a championship? Have you ever played any level of competitive basketball?
Completely refreshed mentally and physically. He's still got Pippen and Phil running the same offense.

Players who score 55pts on the road against the first ranked defense in the league is not rusty. There was no mention whatsoever of MJ being rusty after that 55pt game. Then.......... once the Bulls got bounced out in nthe 2nd round, that's when you starteds hearing "he's rusty" excuses being made by the media and fans.

No way MJ would have came back if he thought he'd get embarrassed by not being physically and mentally ready for the rigors.

Why not just wait ill the following if he was so rusty??

[Hey Yo]

No

Whats more laughable is making the decision to collude with 2 other allstars then made a media event in order to boast to win not 1 not 2 not 3 and all that crap then proceeded to fall face flat against a team with only 1 legit allstar, then getting outplayed by the likes of Jason Terry and JJ Barea
Wow, athletes boast at pep rally's??? Who would have thunk?? :oldlol:

Avg. 18-7-7, led the team twice in scoring and also had a trip-dub is falling flat on your face?

Maybe if Wade played better defense on Jason Terry, they might have won.

[Jon Salley's 10]

[QUOTE=Shaquille O'Neal]This whole "Dad killer" is among the dumbest theories I've read on this site.


Mike's Dad pulled over at a roadside rest and was shot by two hoods.

In fact, they're still in prison.
Facts:


"Green has said that he helped dump Jordan

[SpaceJam2]

Completely refreshed mentally and physically. He's still got Pippen and Phil running the same offense.

Players who score 55pts on the road against the first ranked defense in the league is not rusty. There was no mention whatsoever of MJ being rusty after that 55pt game. Then.......... once the Bulls got bounced out in nthe 2nd round, that's when you starteds hearing "he's rusty" excuses being made by the media and fans.

No way MJ would have came back if he thought he'd get embarrassed by not being physically and mentally ready for the rigors.

Why not just wait ill the following if he was so rusty??

Incoming....

https://i.postimg.cc/J4SBVLzX/truth-bomb-mockup-close-up-black.png

[BarberSchool]

Is this thing on?
Name a mobster who would kill someone, make a bunch of calls to other teenage crime-spree kids on the deceased person's cell phone, and leave a body in plain view near a river.
Better yet, name a mobster who would STOP with just the one death. They'd continue to kill until they got their money back.


But, a black man in southeastern USA (in 1993) in a shiny red Lexus at a road side rest probably flashing some jewelry on his wrist would never be a target? :facepalm So now the mobsters FOLLOWED Mr. Jordan until he just happen to pull over at a roadside rest? One shot to the chest? The killers made a video of them wearing Jordan's jewelry and BOTH are still in the PEN for life.


I have to log off now. These boards are getting dumber and dumber.They got their money.
Mike paid up.
This is somewhat common knowledge to many communities in chicago bruh.

[TheCorporation]

Completely refreshed mentally and physically. He's still got Pippen and Phil running the same offense.

Players who score 55pts on the road against the first ranked defense in the league is not rusty. There was no mention whatsoever of MJ being rusty after that 55pt game. Then.......... once the Bulls got bounced out in nthe 2nd round, that's when you starteds hearing "he's rusty" excuses being made by the media and fans.

No way MJ would have came back if he thought he'd get embarrassed by not being physically and mentally ready for the rigors.

Why not just wait ill the following if he was so rusty??

https://i.postimg.cc/KYnny3n6/tenor.gif

[PP34Deuce]

This is hilarious, guys fighting for grown men like they are the battered wife that got left.

For disclaimer, I do believe Lebron has done Performance enhancers just like several others (It won't come out because Kobe, Wade, etc will come down with it)

MJ was gambling with underworld mobsters. People said it wasn't that he couldn't afford it, he just didn't like paying debts. I do believe MJ was suspended instead of retirement.

I also wouldn't be surprised if his father wasn't squeaky clean in everything.

Lesson: everyone has dirt. some more egregious than others.

[ballinhun8]

Suspending the biggest cash cow the league has ever seen???



Does that sound like a smart business decision?

[SpaceJam2]

Suspending the biggest cash cow the league has ever seen???



Does that sound like a smart business decision?

Seemed like it worked out, no? :confusedshrug:

Got his rest, got his brand/ratings up even more upon his return.

[Soundwave]

Seemed like it worked out, no? :confusedshrug:

Got his rest, got his brand/ratings up even more upon his return.

Because they got lucky as f**k that there was a baseball strike right in spring 1995.

Had that not happened who the hell knows. NBA could've been stuck up sh*t creek without a paddle for a long time.

They would never do that willingly.

Two dumb punk kids saw a luxury car at a rest stop and decided to rob it and being dumb punk kids it turned into murder. That's basically all there was to it.

Jordan could've been on trial for murder and the NBA still would've gone for bat for him, Nike, NBC, Gatorade, McDonalds were too important to league revenue and sponsorship.

There was a huuuuge drop off in TV ratings at the snap of a finger

27 million+ for game 1 of the Bulls-Suns Finals in 1993, versus 17 million for Knicks-Rockets in 1994. No business is stupid enough to do that on purpose to themselves.

Jordan was the NBA's golden ticket, they've never been as popular since.

[Nowoco]

Players who score 55pts on the road against the first ranked defense in the league is not rusty. There was no mention whatsoever of MJ being rusty after that 55pt game. Then.......... once the Bulls got bounced out in nthe 2nd round, that's when you starteds hearing "he's rusty" excuses being made by the media and fans.

In those 17 games in 1995 he averaged up to that point...

Career low FG %
Career low eFG%
Career low FT%
Career low SPG
Career low BPG

Id's say that was rusty now go back to school kid :facepalm

[Vino24]

Michael Roidan

[3ball]

If LeBron had "weak" stats in 2007 then you must have missed game 5 in Detroit where he scored 25 consecutive points. Im convinced you haven't watched a game since 2003 when MJ was a Wizard :lol

Can you really say with a straight face Bron didn't go off in 2007 at 22 years old carrying soup cans? You said "weak stats in the 07 run?"

vs Wizards, Bron: 28-9-8 on 55% TS with ORtg 126 :eek: (24.6 GmScore)
vs Nets, Bron: 25-7-9 on 54% TS (20.0 GmScore)
vs Pistons, Bron: 26-9-9 on 54% TS (22.9 GmScore)

Jordan in 96 winning FMVP
vs Sonics, MJ: 27-5-4 on 54% TS (18.5 GmScore)

Why do you keep ethering yourself? With LeBron, every single series in 2007 was better than Jordan's 96 Finals run. Are you a masochist?



Did you really think I'd let you get away with that?.. :kobe:


Averages for the first 3 series before the Finals:

JORDAN 96' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog-advanced/1996/#122-133-sum:pgl_advanced_playoffs):. 32.3 ppg.. 47.9 fg.. 57.6 ts.. 34.4 usg.. 126 ortg.. 23.7 GmSc
LEBRON 07' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/gamelog-advanced/2007/#14-29-sum:pgl_advanced_playoffs):.' 25.8 ppg.. 43.4 fg.. 54.0 ts.. 28.6 usg.. 116 ortg.. 22.2 GmSc

JORDAN 96' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1996/#122-133-sum:pgl_basic_playoffs):. 1.8 oreb.. 3.0 dreb.. 4.1 apg.. 2.0 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.4 bpg
LEBRON 07' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/gamelog/2007/#122-133-sum:pgl_basic_playoffs):.' 1.4 oreb.. 6.9 dreb.. 8.3 apg.. 2.7 tov.. 1.9 spg.. 0.5 bpg


Finals averages

JORDAN:. 27 on 41.7%.. 18.9 GmSc
LEBRON:.' 22 on 35.6%.. 10.6 GmSc


MJ is sooooo much better than Lebron... :facepalm :roll: :yaohappy:



And btw - AI, Dwight and Kidd also carried teams to the Finals in that decade, so lebron's 07' run was standard for a great player in that conference.. Lebron should be knocked for failing to make Finals runs in 09/10 despite being the heavy favorite, and ceding those easy runs to Dwight and a 50-win, dilapidated Celtics team.. So lebron can't carry a team to the Finals - that's why he left Cleveland in the first place - he failed drastically in 09/10.
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[SpaceJam2]

In those 17 games in 1995 he averaged up to that point...

Career low FG %
Career low eFG%
Career low FT%
Career low SPG
Career low BPG

Id's say that was rusty now go back to school kid :facepalm

Let's not forget he did pretty well in the first round of '95 and the second even tho he was bounced in the 2nd

1st round
33-7-6-2 with 50% fg (GmScore 23.2)

2nd round
31-6-4 with 48% fg (GmScore 21.6)

"rusty" eh?

[SpaceJam2]

Did you really think I'd let you get away with that?.. :kobe:


Averages for the first 3 series before the Finals:

JORDAN 96' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog-advanced/1996/#122-133-sum:pgl_advanced_playoffs):. 32.3 ppg.. 47.9 fg.. 57.6 ts.. 34.4 usg.. 126 ortg.. 23.7 GmSc
LEBRON 07' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/gamelog-advanced/2007/#14-29-sum:pgl_advanced_playoffs):.' 25.8 ppg.. 43.4 fg.. 54.0 ts.. 28.6 usg.. 116 ortg.. 22.2 GmSc

JORDAN 96' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1996/#122-133-sum:pgl_basic_playoffs):. 1.8 oreb.. 3.0 dreb.. 4.1 apg.. 2.0 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.4 bpg
LEBRON 07' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/gamelog/2007/#122-133-sum:pgl_basic_playoffs):.' 1.4 oreb.. 6.9 dreb.. 8.3 apg.. 2.7 tov.. 1.9 spg.. 0.5 bpg


Finals averages

JORDAN:. 27 on 41.7%
LEBRON:.' 22 on 35.6%


MJ is sooooo much better than Lebron... :facepalm :roll: :yaohappy:



And btw - AI, Dwight and Kidd also carried teams to the Finals in that decade, so lebron's 07' run was standard for a great player in that conference.. Lebron should be knocked for failing to make Finals runs in 09/10 despite being the heavy favorite, and ceding those easy runs to Dwight and a 50-win, dilapidated Celtics team.. So lebron can't carry a team to the Finals - that's why he left Cleveland in the first place - he failed drastically in 09/10.
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Why do you keep doing this? You're running around in circles twisting however which way you want. This conversation started when you nonchalantly said "LBJ didn't do much to drag the soup cans to the Finals" to which I said he did way more than MJ did in the 1996 FINALS. I'll repost the numbers so it's more clear to you but please stop trying to distort reality, unless you're a magician going through magician training school or something peculiar of the sort.

2007 Playoffs
LeBron
vs Wizards, Bron: 28-9-8 on 55% TS with ORtg 126 (24.6 GmScore)
vs Nets, Bron: 25-7-9 on 54% TS (20.0 GmScore)
vs Pistons, Bron: 26-9-9 on 54% TS (22.9 GmScore)

1996 Finals,
MJ (wins FMVP)
vs Sonics, MJ: 27-5-4 on 54% TS (18.5 GmScore)

LeBron had a higher GmScore in every single 2007 soup can carrying playoff run than MJ did during his 1996 Finals performance.

LeBron had an equal or higher TS% in every single 2007 soup can carrying playoff run than MJ did during his 1996 Finals performance.

LeBron had more rebounds and assists in every single 2007 soup can carrying playoff run than MJ did during his 1996 Finals performance.

MJ scored 27 to LBJ's 28, 25, 26 (26.3 average)

Edit: Lastly, keep in mind we are comparing 22-year old LeBron with "peak" 72 win Jordan.

You're done for kid