What makes Devin Booker a better player than Lou Williams?

[PeroAntic]

Honest question.

[Manny98]

He isn't

[SpaceJam2]

He isn't

Yeah, first off who said Booker was better than Williams to begin with?

[PeroAntic]

Yeah, first off who said Booker was better than Williams to begin with?
hes a lot more hyped for some reason.

[qrich]

Lou Gotti is just flat out underrated due to being humble and a sixth man.

At this point, I can't say with certainty that I'd take a Donovan Mitchell over him....and especially not Khris Middleton.

[brooks_thompson]

Whew, glad everyone else already said what I came to say

[Proctor]

He isn't.

I'd take Lou any day of the week

[MrFonzworth]

Lou Williams was going to get robbed in Philly but the robber recognized him, so he ceased the robbery and apologized. Lou treated him to McDonalds later.

[Mask the Embiid]

He's 5 inches taller....His prime will be way better than Lou's prime.

What are yall stupid or something....He's like 22 vs someone who has been in the league for almost 15 years

I remember a 22-year-old lou williams....Booker is lightyears ahead of him..foh


Lou is just quicker than everyone who guards him(when that goes he goes)....Booker cooks ppl with footwork

[GreatHILL]

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[highwhey]

He's 5 inches taller....His prime will be way better than Lou's prime.

What are yall stupid or something....He's like 22 vs someone who has been in the league for almost 15 years

I remember a 22-year-old lou williams....Booker is lightyears ahead of him..foh


Lou is just quicker than everyone who guards him(when that goes he goes)....Booker cooks ppl with footwork
ISH doesn't watch basketball :oldlol:

lou will at age 22 was averaging 13ppg, Booker at 22 is averaging 26ppg

Booker averages more points, assists, rebounds...

this isn't even a comparison.

[wagexslave]

Lmao is this a real thread? I like Lou but he's literally a decade older than Book. Lou couldn't hold Books dick at 22.

[bison]

Lou Williams is a great 6th man, but he’s also the kind of dude where he could only be a starter, team captain and #1 option on a lotto team. I don’t see Booker ever leading a team to the finals one day, but he could possibly put a team on his back on the way to the second round like a Lillard or Donovan Mitchell type. It’s apples and oranges but that being said booker is better

[Proctor]

The difference is Lou Williams actually wins games for his team and carries them on his back to a win (think Warriors at Oracle, for one of many examples). Certainly doesn't score 59 in a 33 point loss or get outclutched by Thomas Bryant twice at home.

[bison]

The difference is Lou Williams actually wins games for his team and carries them on his back to a win (think Warriors at Oracle, for one of many examples). Certainly doesn't score 59 in a 33 point loss or get outclutched by Thomas Bryant twice at home.

Booker is on an extremely shitty team while clippers are one of the most deep teams in the league. It

[MJistheGOAT]

Lou is better now
Devin

[Proctor]

[QUOTE=bison]Booker is on an extremely shitty team while clippers are one of the most deep teams in the league. It

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Bookers one of the 5 worst defensive players in the league and has been for a while

as sht as Har_en has been defensively in his career Bookers been the worst defensive player at his position for a long time now

his teams have been

23-59. -6.32 SRS (27th)
24-58. -5.14 SRS (26th)
21-61. -8.80 SRS (30th)
17-58. -8.55 SRS (28th)

theyve been a bottom 3 team since hes been in the league and always near if not the worst defense

they have some solid players this year too. Ariza, Warren, Ayton, Oubre and Bridges. Theres no reason they should be as bad as they are and its b/c Booker isnt a player whos gonna be successful with his role. His ideal fit on a team is being the explosive 6th man like Lou

[Uncle Drew]

Booker is the king of empty stats. This dude finna have more 50 points games than wins. About to go into his fifth year as a professional and he has played in as many meaningful NBA games as I have.

[DOUBLE DRIBBLE]

Weird that Booker gets so much hate here... then again so does Lebron, Kobe, MJ. I guess all the hate come with being a superstar.

[E_Stamkos]

Weird that Booker gets so much hate here... then again so does Lebron, Kobe, MJ. I guess all the hate come with being a superstar.

Devin Booker has not earned superstar status yet. He can score like one though... But there's more to the profile/label than that

[MrFonzworth]

Weird that Booker gets so much hate here... then again so does Lebron, Kobe, MJ. I guess all the hate come with being a superstar.
Booker a superstar? The kid's still a virgin wtf.

[StrongLurk]

Great timing on this thread OP.

Booker with back-to-back 50 point games. Clearly a better player than Lou.

[Uncle Drew]

Great timing on this thread OP.

Booker with back-to-back 50 point games. Clearly a better player than Lou.
And two losses.

[Jacques Webster]

Booker is the king of empty stats. This dude finna have more 50 points games than wins. About to go into his fifth year as a professional and he has played in as many meaningful NBA games as I have.

He's also never lost in the Finals. :applause:

[StrongLurk]

And two losses.

Are we judging teams here or individual players?

[FKAri]

Well, ofcourse it would be Devin Booker that makes Devin Booker a better player than Lou Williams. What a silly question!

[GreatHILL]

And two losses.

sit yo ass down kid you dont know shit about the game of basketball

[jayfan]

Weird that Booker gets so much hate here... then again so does Lebron, Kobe, MJ. I guess all the hate come with being a superstar.

The guy who checked himself back into the game down 30 late in the 4th so he could score 60? Yeah, I don't know...what's not to like? :confusedshrug:



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[superduper]

$tats

[highwhey]

The guy who checked himself back into the game down 30 late in the 4th so he could score 60? Yeah, I don't know...what's not to like? :confusedshrug:



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you mean the only player on team with double digits bc no one else on the suns scored more than 9pts. he was the only player in double digits, aka, the best chance at winning. :facepalm

[highwhey]

Bookers one of the 5 worst defensive players in the league and has been for a while

as sht as Har_en has been defensively in his career Bookers been the worst defensive player at his position for a long time now

his teams have been

23-59. -6.32 SRS (27th)
24-58. -5.14 SRS (26th)
21-61. -8.80 SRS (30th)
17-58. -8.55 SRS (28th)

theyve been a bottom 3 team since hes been in the league and always near if not the worst defense

they have some solid players this year too. Ariza, Warren, Ayton, Oubre and Bridges. Theres no reason they should be as bad as they are and its b/c Booker isnt a player whos gonna be successful with his role. His ideal fit on a team is being the explosive 6th man like Lou
jfc, you're dumb as fvck.

ariza is no longer on the suns and he was ass when he was bc he didn't want to be here.

warren has been injured for several weeks now, he's constantly injured, yes, the 2nd best player on this is injured frequently.

ayton is a rookie with a euro coach who has no idea how to get him the ball, when he gets the ball, he's an easy 20ppg player, but this dumbass coach doesn't know how to get him the ball.

oubre is injured as well, though before going down, he were winning games.

Booker has had 4 different coaches and over 50 different teammates in his 4 years in the league. we don't have a point guard this season either. but yeah, he's suppose to take them to .500. we have a lot of retards in this forum.

you probably think tyson is still on this team.

[Uncle Drew]

Are we judging teams here or individual players?
The play of an individual doesn't matter if they lead to an average of a mere 20 wins a season. He is the epitome of empty stats. That is down right pathetic and so is trying to defend this guy. 59 points in a 33 point loss. Who gives a shit?

[highwhey]

The play of an individual doesn't matter if they lead to an average of a mere 20 wins a season. He is the epitome of empty stats. That is down right pathetic and so is trying to defend this guy. 59 points in a 33 point loss. Who gives a shit?
this dude is hella triggered a 22 year old is tearing up the league in scoring.

"empty stats" is the surefire way of self-identifying as a box score watcher. you watch Book in any NBA game and you'll quickly realize his offensive arsenal is amazing, especially when you consider he's 22 with no help. double, triple teamed, dude makes mid rangers or 3's. he can drive it, pull up, take it to the rim. i always watch the opponents home team broadcast just to hear criticism, most of them are amazed on how Booker can score with ease.

it's one thing to put up 50 against a trash team, but when you drop that on Rudy Gobert, it's pretty impressive.

Let's totally ignore how last night he put up 50 in a 3pt loss to the Wizards. oh wait, that doesn't fit your agenda. there are people in this thread that think Book is playing with Ariza, Oubre, and Warren despite the fact that Ariza was traded for Oubre who has been injured these past few games and Warren has been out for over a month :oldlol:

Let's further attack your agenda of empty stats:
40pts against New Orleans in a W
37pts against GSW in a W
41pts against the Knicks in a W

[Uncle Drew]

Amazing, with those three games you’ve just gathered nearly 50% of Booker’s total wins in the league after 4 years in the NBA.

[highwhey]

[QUOTE=Uncle Drew]Amazing, with those three games you

[Uncle Drew]

Kevin Martin. What do I win?

[Uncle Drew]

That said, Booker could probably produce gas and you'd call it perfume. Shit's hilarious. Good lord, this guy can do no wrong. It's all good that we've won like 70 games over the past four years. No problem at all, we won't hold anyone accountable. It must be amazing to play for the Suns. You get to do whatever the **** you want, win or lose, everything is accepted and permitted.

[highwhey]

Kevin Martin. What do I win?
from what years? because his first 4 years in the league, he had a prime ron artest and mike bibby.

you're even more retarded than i initially thought. you're reading comprehension is nonexistent. great cleveland education you got there.

[highwhey]

That said, Booker could probably produce gas and you'd call it perfume. Shit's hilarious. Good lord, this guy can do no wrong. It's all good that we've won like 70 games over the past four years. No problem at all, we won't hold anyone accountable. It must be amazing to play for the Suns. You get to do whatever the **** you want, win or lose, everything is accepted and permitted.
i constantly sh1t on him for his defense, or lack-thereof.

but to expect him to have a winning record when he and his 2nd best player are constantly injured, he is on his 4th coach and 50th teammate, that is absurd for any player. no consistency can be built when the roster has been different every year. he underwent hand surgery last summer and has had other injuries not allowing him to play.

tj warren's last game was in january.

[brooks_thompson]

i constantly sh1t on him for his defense, or lack-thereof.

but to expect him to have a winning record when he and his 2nd best player are constantly injured, he is on his 4th coach and 50th teammate, that is absurd for any player. no consistency can be built when the roster has been different every year. he underwent hand surgery last summer and has had other injuries not allowing him to play.

tj warren's last game was in january.

Yeah, well, you can defend a lot of things, but you can't defend the fact that he looks like 'The Tuff Guy' from O-Town or some other late 90s boy band.

[highwhey]

Yeah, well, you can defend a lot of things, but you can't defend the fact that he looks like 'The Tuff Guy' from O-Town or some other late 90s boy band.
:lol

[qrich]

People are way too caught up on potential here....Lou has thoroughly outplayed Booker this year and if you were to swap the two, the Clips would be worse off. Lou is money in the clutch and his passing ability shits on Booker's, who may be a better scorer, but he's putting up 6 more points on 4.5 more shots. Give Lou those attempts and he outscores him

[PeroAntic]

People are way too caught up on potential here....
I'd like to believe in the potential theory but the guy hasnt improved in the slightest bit for three years.:confusedshrug:

[qrich]

I'd like to believe in the potential theory but the guy hasnt improved in the slightest bit for three years.:confusedshrug:

I mean more in the sense of Booker being younger so he'll theoretically improve while Lou Gotti is at his peak.

As of this moment, I take Lou over Booker without a second thought for just this season.

Building a team for the long term, I probably take Devin.

[Vino24]

Booker is the definition of empty stats. Basically pre-Pippen MJ

[PeroAntic]

I mean more in the sense of Booker being younger so he'll theoretically improve while Lou Gotti is at his peak.

Any evidence of a steady rate of improvement at this point?

[highwhey]

Any evidence of a steady rate of improvement at this point?
:oldlol: now you're just straight trolling

[highwhey]

People are way too caught up on potential here....Lou has thoroughly outplayed Booker this year and if you were to swap the two, the Clips would be worse off. Lou is money in the clutch and his passing ability shits on Booker's, who may be a better scorer, but he's putting up 6 more points on 4.5 more shots. Give Lou those attempts and he outscores him
Gallinaro (however you spell his name) has less FGA and is averaging essentially the same PPG as Lou. Clips also had Harris for a good amount of time.

Both of those 2 players are far better than any other player on Suns. Warren may come close, but he's been injured.

Clips also have an experienced coach with a championship. Suns have a rookie coach who is garbage.

Clips had 4 people shooting over 40% from the 3 and has several good-great defenders.

Yeah, i'm totally shocked they're in the playoff hunt. :rolleyes:

Give Booker an ideal situation with good shooters and defenders, he wins way more games than 17 this season. No one is denying he is a horrible defender, but this season he's show how great he is offensively, both scoring and playmaking. 6.7 assists is nothing to scoff at for a shooting guard with garbage teammates. Booker is a player you plug into a team with good defense and shooting, and he can carry the scoring load for the most part. he isn't a perfect player, far from it, but he's really great at one thing and can thrive if you plug him into the right situation.

the instances where the suns beat warriors and milwaukee, our wings hit their shots and played good defense.

[qrich]

Uh no one thought the Clippers had a chance to make the playoffs...CBS had them at like 26 wins....people had them at like 36 wins after they started 14-6....

Swap Booker and Lou, and the Clippers would be worse this year.

[highwhey]

Uh no one thought the Clippers had a chance to make the playoffs...CBS had them at like 26 wins....people had them at like 36 wins after they started 14-6....

Swap Booker and Lou, and the Clippers would be worse this year. that's bc no one expected tobias to step up and seemingly forgot gallinaro's impact. yeah they lost dj and blake, but don't underestimate a hungry team that has good chemistry. they have several good players that have been together for a while with a very experienced coach.

my point is, they're still well better off than the suns talent wise.

[wagexslave]

that's bc no one expected tobias to step up and seemingly forgot gallinaro's impact. yeah they lost dj and blake, but don't underestimate a hungry team that has good chemistry. they have several good players that have been together for a while with a very experienced coach.

my point is, they're still well better off than the suns talent wise.
Not to mention the Suns are the youngest team in the league per minute played. Experience and progression is important, people. It's rare af for teams as young as the Suns to have a good record. Anyone expecting them to was giving their hopes up. Give them a few years to bring that average age up, and try to get some good vets. Then they can have a winning core around Booker/Ayton/(hopefully Zion or Ja)/Oubre/Bridges

But yeah comparing a 32 year old to a 22 year old is ****ing stupid unless you're talking about the 32 year old when he was 22. Booker's not even in his prime yet, Lou is towards the end of his. Yet nobody wants to compare Lou at 22 to Booker rn because Booker shits on him and everyone knows it. Yeah Booker sucks defensively, but he's not as bad as some people make him out to be.

People be acting like he legit doesn't play any defense at all or some shit which is just dumb. He's not that bad when he puts 100% effort into defense, he just doesn't have the stamina to do that all game long especially in a game that relies on him carrying the load offensively by an insane amount. He gets gassed towards the end of games when he tries to do too much on both ends. And there's the nagging hamstring issues too, which came back when he was trying too hard on both ends. As well as the back issues he had in the past. Book's a bit injury prone, that's one downside of him as a player.

But my point is lots of great offensive players aren't amazing defensively in this league and most experts say great offense beats great defense in todays game. Book is already great offensively at 22. How many players can say they're GREAT offensively in the NBA at 22? That's rare. And the kid is continuously improving even more now that he's back to being 100% health wise and his shot came back.

[Kblaze8855]

I mean more in the sense of Booker being younger so he'll theoretically improve while Lou Gotti is at his peak.

As of this moment, I take Lou over Booker without a second thought for just this season.

Building a team for the long term, I probably take Devin.


Probably?

Lou will be 33 before next season starts and theres a probably?

[PeroAntic]

:oldlol: now you're just straight trolling
Honestly I dont see much of a difference between 2017 and 2019 Booker.

[wagexslave]

Honestly I dont see much of a difference between 2017 and 2019 Booker.
I'm so sure you watch him play all the time. :rolleyes: