How did a bunch of Old Men beat LeBron's Miami Heat Super Teams TWICE?

[eliteballer]

2011 and 2014.

Anyone know?

[StrongLurk]

2011 and 2014.

Anyone know?

What exactly are you looking for or trying to accomplish besides wasting your time?

[TheCorporation]

I love me some D-Wade but 2011 was Wade ball (as outlined several times, I can bump the thread again if you'd like) and 2014 was unequivocally Wade's fault.


During the 2014 Finals Wade was hobbled: 15-4-3 on 44 %

Reminder: The Spurs are a dynasty, not just some one-and-done team like the Sonics or Trailblazers :lol

Any other questions please feel free to ask, I'm always willing to help the mentally limited :D

[Jameerthefear]

Rub your 2 brain cells together and figure it out yourself, eliteb*llsack. I'm sick of babysitting your ass on this board

[And1AllDay]

Rub your 2 brain cells together and figure it out yourself, eliteb*llsack. I'm sick of babysitting your ass on this board

body bag

[305Baller]

easy, lebrons a choking dog

[SpaceJam2]

easy, lebrons a choking dog

Is he really tho?

He is in fact the best

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ck8cMnqXEAAGBJg.jpg


But you just dont like him :(

[MJistheGOAT]

Better teamwork and brand of basketball

Which dynasty won not even a 2-peat???
Spurs have 2 finals and 1 ring in 12 years, only difference between them and Utah Jazz (2 finals, 0 rings) is the JAzz playing against the GOAT.

[305Baller]

Is he really tho?

He is in fact the best

But you just dont like him :(

nah. get off of it. LeBron is great when he is leading or tied. When he is down, he lacks the pull up jumper to make him lethal. Everyone knows this.

I like LeBron, especially the school he opened. That was top shelf.

evidence:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HeartfeltEcstaticJabiru-size_restricted.gif

[SpaceJam2]

Rub your 2 brain cells together and figure it out yourself, eliteb*llsack. I'm sick of babysitting your ass on this board

:roll: :roll:

[3ball]

Lebron lost with 2 all-star teammates in 11, 14, and 17.... to 3 different teams


Not the goat or anywhere near


Suboptimal brand of ball obviously - that's the only way a star loses with that much supporting talent

[3ball]

I love me some D-Wade but 2011 was Wade ball (as outlined several times, I can bump the thread again if you'd like) and 2014 was unequivocally Wade's fault.

[COLOR="DarkRed"]During the 2014 Finals Wade was hobbled: 15-4-3 on 44 % [/COLOR


Pippen was more hobbled heading into the 1998 Finals than Wade heading into 14' Finals:


PIPPEN. 98' ECF:. 16.6 on 39%
D WADE 14' ECF:. 19.8 on 55%


But in the 14' Finals, the entire team was playing much worse than the opponent, so teammates will always play bad in that scenario, - this includes lebron, who was equally bad as Wade when the games were being contested:


Games 3-4-5
Lebron scored 51 of his 81 points (63%) being down 15+

Game 3
Lebron had 8 points and 7 TOs for the last 3 quarters versus Wade's 20 points and 3 TOs. The Heat cut the lead from 15 to 9 without LeBron, after Wade subbed in for him, from the 5:00 to 1:00 mark of the 3rd quarter.... overall, LeBron had 22-5-7-5 with 7 TOs on 64%, Wade had 22-4-2-2 with 5 TOs on 67%

Game 4
Lebron had 9 points in first half and the Heat were blown out by 19 at halftime. He padded his stats from there, and he did not score on Leonard in the first half.

Game 5
Lebron had 1 FG in 2nd quarter (2:30 mark) to bring the Heat within 5. Then he did not score again until the Heat were down 21 with 4:40 in the 3rd. LeBron shot 1-6 against Leonard this game.


https://media0.giphy.com/media/R6aNZ3Uc1aR1K/giphy.gif

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Pippen was more hobbled heading into the 1998 Finals than Wade heading into 14' Finals:

PIPPEN. 98' ECF:. 16.6 on 39%
D WADE 14' ECF:. 19.8 on 55%
But in the 14' Finals, the entire team was playing much worse than the opponent, so teammates will always play bad in that scenario, - this includes lebron, who was equally bad as Wade when the games were being contested:

Games 3-4-5
Lebron scored 51 of his 81 points (63%) being down 15+

Game 3
Lebron had 8 points and 7 TOs for the last 3 quarters versus Wade's 20 points and 3 TOs. The Heat cut the lead from 15 to 9 without LeBron, after Wade subbed in for him, from the 5:00 to 1:00 mark of the 3rd quarter.... overall, LeBron had 22-5-7-5 with 7 TOs on 64%, Wade had 22-4-2-2 with 5 TOs on 67%

Game 4
Lebron had 9 points in first half and the Heat were blown out by 19 at halftime. He padded his stats from there, and he did not score on Leonard in the first half.

Game 5
Lebron had 1 FG in 2nd quarter (2:30 mark) to bring the Heat within 5. Then he did not score again until the Heat were down 21 with 4:40 in the 3rd. LeBron shot 1-6 against Leonard this game.
https://media0.giphy.com/media/R6aNZ3Uc1aR1K/giphy.gif



Ouch...bodied...:bowdown:

[FKAri]

How did Lebron GOAT James beat the Spurs super team all by himself :eek:

[Jacques Webster]

LeBron was the only player for the Heat that played well. :lol

The rest of the roster was washed up.

[SpaceJam2]

Pippen was more hobbled heading into the 1998 Finals than Wade heading into 14' Finals:


PIPPEN. 98' ECF:. 16.6 on 39%
D WADE 14' ECF:. 19.8 on 55%

https://media0.giphy.com/media/R6aNZ3Uc1aR1K/giphy.gif

So now you're comparing Wade and Pippen's Finals stats by using....Wade and Pippen's ECF stats? :lol

I'll take it reallll slow for you here

FINALS
2014 Wade:
15-4-3 on 44 %
(7.9 GmScore)
ORtg = 89
DRtg = 120

1998 Pippen:
16-7-4 on 41%
(13.0 GmScore)
ORtg = 104
DRtg = 97

Are we done here you imbecile? How many time must you be punished?

[egokiller]

2011 and 2014.

Anyone know?

LeBron required 2 of the greatest shots in NBA history in order to win 2 of his rings. He's obviously not capable of much else, so the 6 finals losses is to be expected for an underachiever like himself. A wannabe GOAT that tried to appease the viewers who watched MJ live, only to fall flat on his face and fail them all. Difference is no one else was fvcking stupid enough to call themselves the chosen one.... they knew they had no chance at ever dethroning MJ. What LeBron did was not courageous or self inspiring, it was just plain stupidity that made his whole situation look even worse. :applause:

[And1AllDay]

LeBron required 2 of the greatest shots in NBA history in order to win 2 of his rings. He's obviously not capable of much else, so the 6 finals losses is to be expected for an underachiever like himself. A wannabe GOAT that tried to appease the viewers who watched MJ live, only to fall flat on his face and fail them all. Difference is no one else was fvcking stupid enough to call themselves the chosen one.... they knew they had no chance at ever dethroning MJ. What LeBron did was not courageous or self inspiring, it was just plain stupidity that made his whole situation look even worse. :applause:

Did you just answer yourself cuz pretty sure you got a solid answer in the beginning bruh


I love me some D-Wade but 2011 was Wade ball (as outlined several times, I can bump the thread again if you'd like) and 2014 was unequivocally Wade's fault. During the 2014 Finals Wade was hobbled: 15-4-3 on 44 %

Reminder: The Spurs are a dynasty, not just some one-and-done team like the Sonics or Trailblazers :lol

Any other questions please feel free to ask, I'm always willing to help the mentally limited :D

[And1AllDay]

So now you're comparing Wade and Pippen's Finals stats by using....Wade and Pippen's ECF stats? :lol

I'll take it reallll slow for you here

FINALS
2014 Wade:
15-4-3 on 44 %
(7.9 GmScore)
ORtg = 89
DRtg = 120

1998 Pippen:
16-7-4 on 41%
(13.0 GmScore)
ORtg = 104
DRtg = 97

Are we done here you imbecile? How many time must you be punished?

Light work on these dudes

http://i-likeitalot.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/2-Chainz-Flexin-On-My-Baby-Video1-540x348.png

[egokiller]

"2011 was Wade ball, LeBron did not get shit on by Jason Terry"

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Too late baby boi, everyone can easily pull the footage and see it for themselves.

Next.....

[And1AllDay]

"2011 was Wade ball, LeBron did not get shit on by Jason Terry"

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Too late baby boi, everyone can easily pull the footage and see it for themselves.

Next.....
:(

https://i.postimg.cc/d3M23xv0/Le-Bron-3-1-King.jpg

[superduper]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HeartfeltEcstaticJabiru-size_restricted.gif

Wtf, Kobe can BARELY move/jump in that GIF.. how did he keep up with the most athletic physical specimen to have ever held a basketball in his prime?!? :wtf:

I refuse to believe this isn't Photoshopped. Did you not see LeGOAT is 1st in EVERY $TAT :mad: :mad:

[MJistheGOAT]

So now you're comparing Wade and Pippen's Finals stats by using....Wade and Pippen's ECF stats? :lol

I'll take it reallll slow for you here

FINALS
2014 Wade:
15-4-3 on 44 %
(7.9 GmScore)
ORtg = 89
DRtg = 120

1998 Pippen:
16-7-4 on 41%
(13.0 GmScore)
ORtg = 104
DRtg = 97

Are we done here you imbecile? How many time must you be punished?

LOL at comparing ORTG and DRTG in a series where team won 4-2 vs lose 1-4.

Basic maths, kid.

[BigKobeFan]

nah. get off of it. LeBron is great when he is leading or tied. When he is down, he lacks the pull up jumper to make him lethal. Everyone knows this.

I like LeBron, especially the school he opened. That was top shelf.

evidence:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HeartfeltEcstaticJabiru-size_restricted.gif

he traveled.

[bullettooth]

nah. get off of it. LeBron is great when he is leading or tied. When he is down, he lacks the pull up jumper to make him lethal. Everyone knows this.

I like LeBron, especially the school he opened. That was top shelf.

evidence:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HeartfeltEcstaticJabiru-size_restricted.gif

Hezonja played some great defense there.

[superduper]

$tats.

Next..

[eliteballer]

Anyone figure this out?

[Airupthere]

Anyone figure this out?

2011 - terry
2014 - diaw

[ralph_i_el]

The 2014 Spurs were one of the greatest teams in the history of the NBA. They are the all time great "Better than the sum of their parts" team imo. 2011 Mavs were a bad matchup for the Heat and LeBron choked.

[Airupthere]

he traveled.

:oldlol: not surprising

[3ba11]

So now you're comparing Wade and Pippen's Finals stats by using....Wade and Pippen's ECF stats? :lol

I'll take it reallll slow for you here

FINALS

2014 Wade:

15.3 on 44%
shared load with 3rd all-star teammate


1996 Pippen:
15.7 on 34%
outscored by Schrempf





Fixed

Btw, Wade was equal-scoring partner to Lebron in the 14' ECF, while Pippen was outplayed in the 96-98' ECF and nearly caused loss in 98'

[Bronbron23]

2011 and 2014.

Anyone know?

Few reasons. The main one being the spurs and mavs played smarter basketball with more movement/less ball dominance. The second being in 11 bron was just terrible.
Third in 14 wade was past his prime and not as effective as he was in previous years. 4th was kawhi gave bron problems in 14 which disrupted the heats offense. Bron stans will dispute this by pointing to brons stats(as usual) but this is misleading. Bron shot terrible when kawhi was on him. I think it was around 30%. This forced the heat to set screens to get bron a switch against a easier defender which took 5 or 6 seconds away from the geats usual half court offense which took them out of their rhythm offensively. This is shit only people with bbqll iq recognize and understand. It's no wonder bron stans don't get it

[3ba11]

Few reasons. The main one being the spurs and mavs played smarter basketball with more movement/less ball dominance. The second being in 11 bron was just terrible.
Third in 14 wade was past his prime and not as effective as he was in previous years. 4th was kawhi gave bron problems in 14 which disrupted the heats offense. Bron stans will dispute this by pointing to brons stats(as usual) but this is misleading. Bron shot terrible when kawhi was on him. I think it was around 30%. This forced the heat to set screens to get bron a switch against a easier defender which took 5 or 6 seconds away from the geats usual half court offense which took them out of their rhythm offensively. This is shit only people with bbqll iq recognize and understand. It's no wonder bron stans don't get it


2014 ECF

Lebron.... 23/7/6
Wade...... 20/5/5


Wade was basically equal partner to Lebron in the 2014 ECF, so he was fine and simply had a bad series in the Finals.. Wade was also a star in 2016 and nearly carried the Heat to ECF.

Otoh, the real issue in the 14' Finals was that Lebron's poor brand had reduced Bosh to spot-up shooter and therefore robbed Bosh of the capacity to step up with Wade ailing - the Heat should've been a goat juggernaut that could handle a bad series from someone, but instead they were whimpering underdogs of spot-up shooting superstars.

[Bronbron23]

2014 ECF

Lebron.... 23/7/6
Wade...... 20/5/5


Wade was basically equal partner to Lebron in the 2014 ECF, so he was fine and simply had a bad series in the Finals.. Wade was also a star in 2016 and nearly carried the Heat to ECF.

Otoh, the real issue in the 14' Finals was that Lebron's poor brand had reduced Bosh to spot-up shooter and therefore robbed Bosh of the capacity to step up with Wade ailing - the Heat should've been a goat juggernaut that could handle a bad series from someone, but instead they were whimpering underdogs of spot-up shooting superstars.

Right but wouldn't wade having a bad series in the finals be q factor in why they lost. What does him playing better in the ecf have to do with his performance in the finals?

And i agree "bron ball" played a factor in 14. I just don't think it's as much of a factor as you do.

[3ba11]

Right but wouldn't wade having a bad series in the finals be q factor in why they lost. What does him playing better in the ecf have to do with his performance in the finals?

And i agree "bron ball" played a factor in 14. I just don't think it's as much of a factor as you do.


I noticed you didn't mention Bosh in your post

Imagine if Bosh was high-producing 3rd option star like Klay, Ray Allen, Manu, Worthy and many more

If Bosh was a star instead of a role player, the Heat would've been a dominant 65-70 win team the entire time like they were supposed to be and this thread wouldn't exist

But instead, Lebron's simpleton westbrooking style/skillset reduced an 11-time all-star to a low-producing bum.. this made those Heat a weak 54 win team instead of juggernaut they were on paper

[Bronbron23]

I noticed you didn't mention Bosh in your post

Imagine if Bosh was high-producing 3rd option star like Klay, Ray Allen, Manu, Worthy and many more

If Bosh was a star instead of a role player, the Heat would've been a dominant 65-70 win team the entire time like they were supposed to be and this thread wouldn't exist

But instead, Lebron's simpleton westbrooking style/skillset reduced an 11-time all-star to a low-producing bum.. this made those Heat a weak 54 win team instead of juggernaut they were on paper

Well i mentioned bron ball. It's assumed that that would effect bosh.

[eliteballer]

Need input.

[kawhileonard2]

2011 and 2014.

Anyone know?

Still wondering.