Trae Young is about to be the #1 rookie all-time @ generating points (ppg + apg)

[Mask the Embiid]

https://i.postimg.cc/05w00tzH/NvdkF7p.jpg


:applause:


Better rookie year than a lot of the greats.Sky is the limit for this kid.Blake and Dame are the best 2 roy's ive ever seen personally....This is amazing

[GreatHILL]

what about donshit is the hype over :oldlol:

[Mask the Embiid]

what about donshit is the hype over :oldlol:
come on bruh....dont mention that dude in my threads.

This is a thread about trae young only.please and thanks.i dont want his ****** fans in here

[scuzzy]

Donshit flops again :oldlol:


that Euro money looking ugly in the light

[305Baller]

Young vs Doncic could be a good one in the career watch

[MrFonzworth]

Young vs Doncic could be a good one in the career watch
What?

Donkic is better by far.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

he also has to be the #1 rookie alltime @ points generating against

hes the worst defensive player in the league. Bottom 3 at best

[305Baller]

What?

Donkic is better by far.

career watch. theres this thing called a career... ah 4get it

[fsvr54]

The haters are going to be soooo salty when this ***** kills everyone in his prime.

Basketball IQ and skill level through the roof. He will get even better and stronger. When this kid is 26 he's going to be raping the league.

[GreatHILL]

come on bruh....dont mention that dude in my threads.

This is a thread about trae young only.please and thanks.i dont want his ****** fans in here

if trae had the mavs coach they would be in the playoffs in the east

[FreezingTsmoove]

I knew he was going to be great, I defended him the best i could early on in the season... but I didnt expect him to do this so early I really thought it would take him 3-4 years since hes so skinny. This guy will be our MVP for years to come

Jeff deleted all the hate threads on Trae that were started in 2018. I dont know what that guys deal is

[Overdrive]

"all-time", "since 1996-97".

[MJistheGOAT]

"Since 1996-1997". Why that mark??

Good offensive numbers in a trash team being awful in defense?? Nice but not ATG.

[SpaceJam2]

Damn, that is pretty impressive...

[atljonesbro]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/2Uy15rzALSa8J5slrb/giphy.gif

[Ghost1]

how about points generated per game per 100 possessions

min 30 games

[bobopenguin]

i really have to say, trae seems pretty legit too.
i thought he's bust, but damn, this guy can shoot & pass.

Trae and Ayton is really no 2a & b pick in this deaft.
Doncic technically isnt a rookie, he was already a mvp in euroleague.. no surprise he's raping 2018 draft year.

[plowking]

This is exactly what is wrong with this board.

Acting like Doncic and Young BOTH aren't good players.

[r0drig0lac]

best player in the draft :pimp:

[chains5000]

https://i.postimg.cc/05w00tzH/NvdkF7p.jpg


:applause:


Better rookie year than a lot of the greats.Sky is the limit for this kid.Blake and Dame are the best 2 roy's ive ever seen personally....This is amazing
WOW, is he close to his conference 1st seed?

[chains5000]

This is exactly what is wrong with this board.

Acting like Doncic and Young BOTH aren't good players.
:applause:
And none of them look like complete assholes. At least yet.

[Kblaze8855]

"all-time", "since 1996-97".


ESPN has really convinced people that "all time" means the time they choose to acknowledge at the moment. Same shit they did with KD chasing a 25 point consecutive games "record" with a cutoff of like 1982 or something.

[Kawhi]

AI would probably generate 5000 points with todays rules, pace and lack of defence. These stats mean nothing.

[plowking]

AI would probably generate 5000 points with todays rules, pace and lack of defence. These stats mean nothing.

I really wish this garbage would stop too.

Whatever you may think, on average, players aren't suddenly 10 times worse than those before them.

[Kawhi]

I really wish this garbage would stop too.

Whatever you may think, on average, players aren't suddenly 10 times worse than those before them.
That

[Kblaze8855]

Players of the recent past wouldnt have to be better than current players to be more productive than they were in their times. James harden of 2019 moved to 2003 wouldn’t be a 37/8/7 player. Not because he would be worse. But because the environment he’d play in wouldn’t allow it.

Both teams have to be willing to run and the league has to ask officials to call games a certain way. Otherwise equal talent results in worse production.

Nobody could keep young AI in front of them and he didn’t have 3-4 shooters at all times and the league stressing freedom of movement.

Of course he would have better numbers today. Not because he’d be better....he’d just be in a league built to let him run wild.

[plowking]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Players of the recent past wouldnt have to be better than current players to be more productive than they were in their times. James harden of 2019 moved to 2003 wouldn

[Kblaze8855]

How is Harden gonna score the same when the other team is slowing the game down? Is he gonna score on possessions that don

[plowking]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]How is Harden gonna score the same when the other team is slowing the game down? Is he gonna score on possessions that don

[plowking]

I mean, Iverson ended his career with 22 shots per game as his average. Over his entire CAREER. Not just a season. That is for his career.

You think if he started his career around the same time he somehow puts up more shots and points? lol...

I'd love to know how.

[chains5000]

While saying "players were better/worse" back then/now could be subjective, pace is not.

basketball reference average pace (possesions per 48 minutes):

2018-2019: 100
2008-2009: 91.7
1998-1999: 88.9

[chains5000]

Sure, you're all ever knowing.

Iverson dropping 33ppg back in 06 with 3 other guys putting up over 29ppg. Is he putting up 43ppg now is he?

Meanwhile Harden putting up 8ppg over the next guy. It is just a special season.

Regardless of the pace, the numbers, he is putting up 25 shots a game in any season. Same as Iverson. He isn't gonna start putting up 35 shots to get 40ppg just because the game is a bit faster and teams are scoring more.
Wouldn't defenses be worse when teams are running up and down more due to higher pace?

[Kblaze8855]

While saying "players were better/worse" back then/now could be subjective, pace is not.

basketball reference average pace (possesions per 48 minutes):

2018-2019: 100
2008-2009: 91.7
1998-1999: 88.9


I promise you its not worth having that argument. The 05 Suns would be one of the slower teams today. The difference between today and 99-05 or so isnt something anyone should fail to notice. I assume its just less aggressive than usual trolling.

[tontoz]

Still dead last in DPRM among pgs.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/3/sort/DRPM/position/1

Nice to see him showing out offensively but he needs to improve a lot defensively to be a net positive on the court.

[coin24]

He takes over in the 4th. Clutch af:rockon:

He's been a monster the last few months and should definitely be in the running for ROY. I have him easily over Donthic

[MrFonzworth]

career watch. theres this thing called a career... ah 4get it
:roll::roll::roll:

[kennethgriffen]

"all-time", "since 1996-97".


its crazy how the media manipulates every achievement/record/accolade like this


they just disqualify everything that goes against their agenda


"since wilt"

"since merger"

"since expansion"

"since the 3 point line"

"since jordan"

"since 96-97"

"since kobe"



enough already

[smoovegittar]

its crazy how the media manipulates every achievement/record/accolade like this


they just disqualify everything that goes against their agenda


"since wilt"

"since merger"

"since expansion"

"since the 3 point line"

"since jordan"

"since 96-97"

"since kobe"



enough already

:applause:

[plowking]

Wouldn't defenses be worse when teams are running up and down more due to higher pace?

The FG% is almost exactly the same. Only a 1% difference. 3 point % almost identical. Higher in 05 if we're going to use that as an example, since KBlaze mentioned the 05 Suns. Again, less than a percentage point.

Outside of Harden, the top scorers in the league are all where they usually have been. Right around that 27-29ppg mark. He is the outlier. And a massive one at that. Maybe because he is just that good? Harden is in fact more of an outlier than Kobe was in 06, where every wing had a great scoring season.

Iverson used to play 43-44mpg and shoot 25 shots a game in his prime days. What exactly would change? If anything his minutes would go down now.
Players aren't shooting any better because of what people perceive to be easier rules or worse defense. All the guys in the current top 5 for scoring are all shooting similar percentages.

So I am just wondering, how does Iverson score more now, in this season? His shots aren't magically going up from 25 or 27 to now taking 30.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The FG% is almost exactly the same. Only a 1% difference. 3 point % almost identical. Higher in 05 if we're going to use that as an example, since KBlaze mentioned the 05 Suns. Again, less than a percentage point.

Outside of Harden, the top scorers in the league are all where they usually have been. Right around that 27-29ppg mark. He is the outlier. And a massive one at that. Maybe because he is just that good? Harden is in fact more of an outlier than Kobe was in 06, where every wing had a great scoring season.

Iverson used to play 43-44mpg and shoot 25 shots a game in his prime days. What exactly would change? If anything his minutes would go down now.
Players aren't shooting any better because of what people perceive to be easier rules or worse defense. All the guys in the current top 5 for scoring are all shooting similar percentages.

So I am just wondering, how does Iverson score more now, in this season? His shots aren't magically going up from 25 or 27 to now taking 30.

Harden's efficiency plummets in the playoffs.

When defenses are objectively more physical.

Yet you're asking why he'd be worse when they played that way consistently? Moreover, when the league had less possessions?

Let me grab you a bib while you're at it.

[plowking]

Harden's efficiency plummets in the playoffs.

When defenses are objectively more physical.

Yet you're asking why he'd be worse when they played that way consistently? Moreover, when the league had less possessions?

Let me grab you a bib while you're at it.


Is this the part where we pretend it was prison rules back in the day and you could punch people without fouls?

Yeah, cool.

[AngelEyes]

Since 1997 is all time in your world. . .:facepalm

[MrFonzworth]

Is this the part where we pretend it was prison rules back in the day and you could punch people without fouls?

Yeah, cool.
Uhm, you could?

You must be a millenial. People lost their LIVES bringing the ball up the court back in the day.

[sportjames23]

I thought Doncic might run away with the ROY, but Young just might steal it from him, or at least get co-Roy.

[plowking]

Uhm, you could?

You must be a millenial. People lost their LIVES bringing the ball up the court back in the day.

Just found some footage from early to mid 2000's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LulIsI2zgMw

Jesus...

Sorry I questioned anyone on here. None of those were called fouls either.

I don't want to imagine the 80's and 90's.

[hold this L]

What is his shooting %? How many shots is he taking? He was historically garbage until January. Now he is playing well and trending towards being a future all star, but no way in hell is his season anywhere close to the best of the best.

He's also probably the worst defender in the entire league.

[SpaceJam2]

Uhm, you could?

You must be a millenial. People lost their LIVES bringing the ball up the court back in the day.

I legitimately laughed out lout at this :lol

Back in the day, if you brought the ball up there was a sniper waiting for you in the stands as soon as you passed half court and if they missed their shot the paint protectors were waiting with chainsaws :lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Is this the part where we pretend it was prison rules back in the day and you could punch people without fouls?

Yeah, cool.

No. Its the part where you strawman and think you're making a point.

You can admit there's not a lot of defense being played right now. Or that past era's may actually have been more physical.

You'll be alright.

[atljonesbro]

What is his shooting %? How many shots is he taking? He was historically garbage until January. Now he is playing well and trending towards being a future all star, but no way in hell is his season anywhere close to the best of the best.

He's also probably the worst defender in the entire league.
Trae Young Since Dec 1st
51 Games
19.9 PTS
8.0 AST
43.4% FG%
38.1% 3P%

He's been bad 1 month of the season. You're clearly completely uneducated and don't need to be speaking on the subject.

[And1AllDay]

Trae Young Since Dec 1st
51 Games
19.9 PTS
8.0 AST
43.4% FG%
38.1% 3P%

He's been bad 1 month of the season. You're clearly completely uneducated and don't need to be speaking on the subject.

:roll: :applause: :applause:

[Marchesk]

"all-time", "since 1996-97".

I didn't realize all-time meant since a certain date. :facepalm

How many millennials fall for this ESPN BS?

[Mr.GOAT2408]

People here arguing that defense is somehow better now? :facepalm :facepalm

Faster pace which tires people out on defense + more 3s which opens up the floor so much more than before when the paint was often clogged + rule changes = weaker defenses by default

I can go way further some other time but I'll stop there for now


Anyway, it's impressive what Trae is doing. He was bound to reach this level once he adjusted to NBA level 3 ball. Hope he keeps it up to make ROY really interesting, it'll be hilarious if he wins it over Doncic after all the hype he got early on but it's probably too late for him to really challenge Doncic

[plowking]

No. Its the part where you strawman and think you're making a point.

You can admit there's not a lot of defense being played right now. Or that past era's may actually have been more physical.

You'll be alright.

Presents no facts.

Attempts ad hominem attack.

Yells straw man.


Fark, ISH's best debater here.

[plowking]

People here arguing that defense is somehow better now? :facepalm :facepalm

Faster pace which tires people out on defense + more 3s which opens up the floor so much more than before when the paint was often clogged + rule changes = weaker defenses by default

I can go way further some other time but I'll stop there for now


Anyway, it's impressive what Trae is doing. He was bound to reach this level once he adjusted to NBA level 3 ball. Hope he keeps it up to make ROY really interesting, it'll be hilarious if he wins it over Doncic after all the hype he got early on but it's probably too late for him to really challenge Doncic

I actually didn't make any mention of defense.

I just asked how would Iverson average more, or better numbers now compared to before?

He was already taking 25 to 28 shots per game in his prime. Where are the numbers going to go up from? Is he going to take more shots?
Apparently his FG% would go up somehow, yet players who have been playing throughout these seasons haven't experienced any increase in FG%. Or should I say statistically significant increase.

So I'm just asking, how is Iverson putting up better numbers now, than he did before?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Presents no facts.

Attempts ad hominem attack.

Yells straw man.


Fark, ISH's best debater here.

Harden's efficiency does drop in the playoffs.

Defenses are allowed more leeway in the playoffs.

Teams in past eras were given more leeway on defense.

There are more possessions NOW than in said era.

You're in denial and that's fine. But if this were chess, I f*cked your queen and stole your king hours ago.

[plowking]

Harden's efficiency does drop in the playoffs.

Defenses are allowed more leeway in the playoffs.

Teams in past eras were given more leeway on defense.

There are more possessions NOW than in said era.

You're in denial and that's fine. But if this were chess, I f*cked your queen and stole your king hours ago.

Last line leads me to believe you joined the chess team in high school after debating didn't work out well for you.

Quite the athlete there kuniva.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Last line leads me to believe you joined the chess team in high school after debating didn't work out well for you.

Quite the athlete there kuniva.

Last line?

I'd hope so.

Your ramblings are similar to a dizzy, coke head.

Whenever you want to counter those facts, knock yourself out. Well...countering facts is kind of an oxymoron. I think even you understand that.

[plowking]

Last line?

I'd hope so.

Your ramblings are similar to a dizzy, coke head.

Whenever you want to counter those facts, knock yourself out. Well...countering facts is kind of an oxymoron. I think even you understand that.

I can't believe you're this upset over someones words over the internet.

Here you are talking about f*cking chess pieces and calling others coke heads, while I'm chilling thinking you know a bit of harmless banter. :oldlol:

[chains5000]

Players aren't shooting any better because of what people perceive to be easier rules or worse defense.
So then, in your opinion, why are scores up?


So I am just wondering, how does Iverson score more now, in this season? His shots aren't magically going up from 25 or 27 to now taking 30.
IMO, he'd get a lot more FTs.
And he'd get more shots, he had a lot of stamina and would make use of those extra possesions.

As for the Harden thing... I get why people hate him, but what he's doing this season, scoring wise, is spectacular. He'd be a great scorer in any era. It takes skill to do what he does.

[Bronbron23]

https://i.postimg.cc/05w00tzH/NvdkF7p.jpg


:applause:


Better rookie year than a lot of the greats.Sky is the limit for this kid.Blake and Dame are the best 2 roy's ive ever seen personally....This is amazing
Yeah on paper I guess but better stats in an era where inflation has made it much easier to do it doesn't mean better. Rookie Shaq, magic, mj and LeBron were much better.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I can't believe you're this upset over someones words over the internet.

Here you are talking about f*cking chess pieces and calling others coke heads, while I'm chilling thinking you know a bit of harmless banter. :oldlol:

Welp. You exposed me.

I'm just so angry that I know what I'm talking about. Meanwhile you're chillin and content with breathing helium.

Up is down and down is up, if I'm following correctly. Cheers.

[Mr.GOAT2408]

I actually didn't make any mention of defense.

I just asked how would Iverson average more, or better numbers now compared to before?

He was already taking 25 to 28 shots per game in his prime. Where are the numbers going to go up from? Is he going to take more shots?
Apparently his FG% would go up somehow, yet players who have been playing throughout these seasons haven't experienced any increase in FG%. Or should I say statistically significant increase.

So I'm just asking, how is Iverson putting up better numbers now, than he did before?
Long ass post, will include tl;dr:

Here's the thing

What I mentioned earlier makes it harder to effectively play defense. Too much space for everyone which allows star players more ample room to operate than ever before

Another thing

Even though league average in 0-3 shots have remained roughly the same, the % of increased significantly. The league average was ~60% for most of AI's prime but it's ~66% and it's been like that for years now but not when AI was playing, it peaked at around 62% and AI was past his prime by then. There are no truly great inside scorers outside of Giannis and LeBron in today's game, whereas there were several such players like Shaq in the 2000s. % elsewhere have mostly remained constant although players of old were shooting better from midrange spots but that 0 - 3 area has been noticeably different. In terms of shot selection guys are more likely to take a step back and shoot a 3 and AI was a product of his era as is everyone else, but a guy with his quick first step and aggressive mentality would thrive more so today

Even LeBron is proof because his raw averages look almost identical but his % look a lot better now than in his athletic prime which obviously begs the question of whether it's easier to score in today's game. This is the worst LeBron has been since either 04 or 05 but you wouldn't know that if you were a 10 year old looking up basketball reference for the first time. And LeBron has basically been COASTING these past few regular seasons, I've never understood the belief that he gets better and better, the 2018 playoff run had more to do with production being the easiest it's been since either the late 80s or early 70s than it had to do with him getting better, his absolute prime was 2009-2016 and even 16 is kind of a stretch, he was definitely way better in Miami than at any other point of his career imo

Anyway, AI played in an era where the 3ball was an afterthought for star players but he had a few years where he made 1/3 of his 3s which is good enough to be a threat. Even if he never developed the 3 the average role player (but not superstar) is better today than ever before, which again means that there's more space to operate. AI would flourish, he averaged 33 ppg in 06 on some of the highest efficiency of his career and he was not at his best. Also, he went from taking ~23% of his shots from 0-3 from 01-04 to ~29% after 04. Smarter shot selection perhaps, but given the injuries and wear and tear AI experienced it's interesting that he attempted more close shots after his physical prime.

Combine with the reduced minutes everyone experiences (38 minutes is too much now :wtf: ) and the more friendlier schedule today's players receive and there's no way he would not be more effective today. There would still be issues building around him due to his small frame but his production would be insane. If IT could average 29 ppg on 60+ TS% then the sky is the limit for what Iverson could put up


tl;dr: rule changes, philosophical changes, pace & space = more productive AI. Numbers are contextual, on a bad or defensive-minded team like the 01 76ers he would put up even more insane numbers than what he actually put up in his own timeline

[hold this L]

Trae Young Since Dec 1st
51 Games
19.9 PTS
8.0 AST
43.4% FG%
38.1% 3P%

He's been bad 1 month of the season. You're clearly completely uneducated and don't need to be speaking on the subject.
Trae Young in December

16/3/7
4.4TO

43/35/73


While playing a system that revolves completely around him & possibly being the worst defender in the league. I get that you're excited you've got a guy with all star potential but tone it down a bit. Granted, me saying he didn't look like basketball player for half a season is a bit much as well.

[SpaceJam2]

I can't believe you're this upset over someones words over the internet.

Here you are talking about f*cking chess pieces and calling others coke heads, while I'm chilling thinking you know a bit of harmless banter. :oldlol:

https://media.tenor.com/images/f21d6296b28b96f59fab7f0f82cef82a/tenor.gif

[atljonesbro]

Trae Young in December

16/3/7
4.4TO

43/35/73


While playing a system that revolves completely around him & possibly being the worst defender in the league. I get that you're excited you've got a guy with all star potential but tone it down a bit. Granted, me saying he didn't look like basketball player for half a season is a bit much as well.
How many hawks games did you watch start to finish that month? You seem to know more about him than me despite me watching nearly every hawks game this season :eek: