Dems/Libs need to stop talking Trump and start propping up a 2020 candidate

[scuzzy]

Spending too much effort belittling the president


Who's his competition in 2020? Very little talk


This is looking like a Hillary 2.0 situation

[Objectivity]

His competition is the economy.
If there is a recession, dems will win and a socialist will sit in the white house.

[Ben Simmons 25]

His competition is the economy.
If there is a recession, dems will win and a socialist will sit in the white house.

The only two things that could happen that would cause him to get uprooted would be 1) an economic downturn, regardless of it being his fault or not (you're right) or... 2) going into a new country, militarily speaking.

There are a bunch of markers out there right now that we're in a downturn...

Chances are he doesn't get re-elected.

Other than that, dems can't do anything. They can just sit and wait. What they say or don't say won't matter... it will just matter how the country is doing. Period.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Trump can't lose

His rallies generate too much buzz/hype/admiration


The fact that he's been a competent president is more than enough to sell himself to the public again

It'll be a landslide

[Objectivity]

Trump can't lose

His rallies generate too much buzz/hype/admiration


The fact that he's been a competent president is more than enough to sell himself to the public again

It'll be a landslide

:djparty :hammertime:

[qrich]

You mean Kamala, Pocahontas and Robert aren't being propped up?

[Patrick Chewing]

You mean Kamala, Pocahontas and Robert aren't being propped up?


Hey hey it

[AlternativeAcc.]

:djparty :hammertime:
Mask the Embiid.. you couldn't possibly be this pathetic?

:lol

[tpols]

bernie is the only one worth running...

that being said, trump will destroy himself... hes pivoting back to healthcare but doesnt realize the GOP doesnt know how to create anything. Cant cut taxes anymore... maybe the wall is the last hope? but we cant trust republicans to even do that... they need a new obama or hillary to rail against, or theres not much they can do. They need some hater material stat.

[ScalsFan21]

Ideological divide on the left is too real and deep to ever "unite" behind one candidate before the primaries are over. Ironically that's exactly what the party establishment aimed to do with Hillary, and we saw the results of that coronation.

[Akrazotile]

bernie is the only one worth running...

that being said, trump will destroy himself... hes pivoting back to healthcare but doesnt realize the GOP doesnt know how to create anything. Cant cut taxes anymore... maybe the wall is the last hope? but we cant trust republicans to even do that... they need a new obama or hillary to rail against, or theres not much they can do. They need some hater material stat.


You think this is a bad thing :lol

Id just as soon not have federal politicians create a baltimore, or a detroit, or a south chicago on the federal level. Or any the other gangsta’s paradises the DNC shills in politics have overseen the creation of in recent decades.

Or maybe it’s the federal govt’s job to “create” a $90B bullet train with two pieces of track in the middle of nowhere, like in Cali”wealthinequalityland”fornia?


Goverbments cant create paradise. Anything people cant/wont be bothered to do on their own, wont be done well by a corrupt govt bureaucracy.

Your dreams are not reality. How can you not understand that?? You seriously have to be like 15 years old. You never learn.

[diamenz]

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Hey hey it

[iamgine]

I want Trump vs Hillary rematch! :banana:

[NumberSix]

You mean Kamala, Pocahontas and Robert aren't being propped up?
I’m not sure that Kamala Harris is actually running to be president. I think this might just be the old ‘raise your national profile’ move setting herself up for 2024. She’s ‘running’ but she’s actually not pushing that hard.

If Trump wins in 2020, it’s nearly a 100% chance that whoever wins the Democrat primary in 2024 will win the presidency. I think she might just be raising her profile to put herself in position to win the 2024 primary.

[Patrick Chewing]

the establishment loves him - didn't obama back him? i can't stand the f***. does the guy even have policy, or is it just platitudes and fist pumping all day? the only candidates i can say with confidence that would beat trump right now are sanders, yang and bootyjudge. the dems r finished if trump lays em out in 2020. if that happens, i see a new far left party forming.


If Trump wins, and it's very likely he will, the Democrats will indeed be finished. And finished for many years to come. They are so far Left right now with their policies and with their identity politics that they are turning off everyone.

And mark my words, they will soon lose the support of one of the major networks. The damage that has been done to these networks is too big to overcome, so one of them will change format and leave the looney Democrats behind. Nail in the coffin at this point.

The only guy that poses a threat to Trump is the former CEO of Starbucks. He's more of a Centrist and that's where the Democrats need to go. I mean, who the hell likes to be called a "Racist Trump supporter" every single day by the opposition?

Check out the message Tulsi Gabbard posted yesterday about her vision going forward after the Mueller investigation was finished. That's a message I can get behind.

[highwhey]

tbh i

[SomeBlackDude]

[QUOTE=highwhey]tbh i

[Akrazotile]

lol.

U.S. runs largest monthly budget deficit on record in February (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-budget-deficit-widens-to-234-billion-in-february-2019-03-22)

In Blow to Trump, America’s Trade Deficit in Goods Hits Record $891 Billion (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/06/us/politics/us-trade-deficit.html)

Another recession indicator is flashing (https://www.axios.com/recession-corporate-equity-households-non-profits-8c18bb30-a82e-4199-a3f0-d7891e567b36.html)


He presumably means a fiscal conservative. Which GOP politicians of course purport themselves to be, while completely ignoring such principles in practice. Conservative voters should be doing far more about that, but it's easier just to follow the Jussie Smollett soap opera every 10 minutes and hope to see someone across the aisle get embarrassed. The latter provides more of an immediate dopamine release than thinking and being productive about important things. Who wants to do more work!?

Regardless, it isn't the government's job to waste other people's money. The only people who would value such policies are the ones who don't provide any money to be wasted, and receive some small entitlement kickback of the wasted funds themselves (with the majority of it distributed to bureaucrats and special interests).

If you have any talent or ability to do anything productive... it doesn't make sense to value big government. If you don't have any ability... you'll likely end up on the political left with regards to tax and spend issues.

[SomeBlackDude]

He presumably means a fiscal conservative.

might as well say he means a unicorn ninja space wizard.

both are figments of the imagination.

#recorddeficits

[Akrazotile]

might as well say he means a unicorn ninja space wizard.

both are figments of the imagination.

#recorddeficits


Yeah, maybe so.

The 1% of people who have brains and ambition see an easy opportunity to buy an incredibly profitable asset in the US government.

Theyre not supposed to be able to do that, but who

[SomeBlackDude]

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]Yeah, maybe so.

The 1% of people who have brains and ambition see an easy opportunity to buy an incredibly profitable asset in the US government.

Theyre not supposed to be able to do that, but who

[TheMan]

[QUOTE=highwhey]tbh i

[SomeBlackDude]

:roll:

my ninja whey's sitting at the table, bib on, waiting for that trickle down to finally hit.

https://media.giphy.com/media/84ZzhsJZWlE3e/giphy.gif

meanwhile...


On October 15, the Department of the Treasury released its tally of budget totals for fiscal year 2018. In that report, they showed that corporate income tax receipts fell from $297 billion in 2017 to $205 billion in fiscal year 2018 — a 31 percent drop. Such a large year-over-year drop in corporate income tax revenue is unprecedented during a time of economic growth.

CORPORATE TAX RECEIPTS TOOK AN UNPRECEDENTED DROP THIS YEAR (https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2018/10/corporate-tax-receipts-were-down-by-nearly-one-third-in-fiscal-year-2018)



Corporations have been using buybacks to “rob Peter to pay Paul” since the Reagan administration created laws that allow it.

According to a Goldman Sachs chart that you can see here, 2018 was a record year for buybacks, which neared $800 billion for S&P 500 companies alone.

Corporate Share Buybacks Rise at Alarming Rate (https://www.newsmax.com/finance/peterreagan/corporate-share-buybacks-rise/2019/03/04/id/905416/)

[Akrazotile]

not really sure what any of this has to do with the myth of fiscal conservatism and the skyrocketing record deficits, but rock on. :rockon:


The point was we cant achieve fiscal conservatism in government because too many people just want to sit and watch the circus.

Basically everything I said related to the myth of fiscal conservatism.

[Akrazotile]

my ninja whey's sitting at the table, bib on, waiting for that trickle down to finally hit.


No he isnt.

He’s at work, in an oilfield, earning a paycheck which he is being forced to share with guys like stalker who sit on the internet and clown him.

Check the $tat$. Useful, productive people dont support big government.

[Ben Simmons 25]

Yep, highwhey is doing real man work and becoming a real man right in front of our very eyes.

The problem is that unfortunately true financial conservatives don't actually get elected to office most of the time because of two reasons...

1) We have a gigantic welfare state and people on one side of the aisle want it to continue
2) We have a gigantic military industrial complex and people on the other side want it to continue, not to mention the "swamp" that also exists.

Republican, democrat... it doesn't matter... Americans are addicted to spending.

BTW, lol @ any dumb**** that believes Trump is an actual republican/conservative... it's like, no, he's definitely not. He just ran that way because there are social issues that are too far to the right that he aligns with for him to run on the left. He's a left leaning independent, really... with a few very right outlooks that get him labeled as being republican.

We have a cultural problem. It's a literal sickness that we must be cured of.

Don't even come in here with that Obama bullshit... the deficit shrank... and then it started growing again... before he left office... and the point is that there was still a deficit. There shouldn't ever be a deficit, no matter how big or small.

Highwhey is going to continue to grow into a solid man only to realize that this country is divided by partisan politics... and that the real evil we face are central bankers. Just not quite there yet. In due time.

[Ben Simmons 25]

Plus, the other problem is... the extreme left have kind of dictated the overall left public policy and talking points for too many years now... and they're getting so extreme that people are starting to come back towards the middle from the left, and as such, people on the left are going to end up heavily divided, and rightfully so... in the sense that the extreme left is absolutely ****ing batshit crazy right now.

[SomeBlackDude]

He’s at work, in an oilfield, earning a paycheck which he is being forced to share with guys like stalker who sit on the internet and clown him.

Check the $tat$. Useful, productive people dont support big government.

whey's getting 'chump change' (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13643297&postcount=3) for his tax refund this year. :(

meanwhile, the industry he works in received $27 billion in tax payer funded subsidies (https://cleantechnica.com/2018/06/06/us-still-subsidizing-fossil-fuels-to-tune-of-27-billion/) last year alone.

stalker is exonerated.

[Ben Simmons 25]

whey's getting 'chump change' (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13643297&postcount=3) for his tax refund this year. :(

meanwhile, the industry he works in received $27 billion in tax payer funded subsidies (https://cleantechnica.com/2018/06/06/us-still-subsidizing-fossil-fuels-to-tune-of-27-billion/) last year alone.

stalker is exonerated.

So getting back the same amount of money at a faster rate is worse than getting it back in one lump sum? The *only* reason that rings true is because people are irresponsible with money and if it's in their hands throughout the year, they're more likely to blow it throughout the year as opposed to saving it.

Only fools enjoy large tax refunds at the end of the year. All it means, is that you gave the government an interest free loan for 12 months... when you could have been earning interest in the other direction.

[Akrazotile]

Plus, the other problem is... the extreme left have kind of dictated the overall left public policy and talking points for too many years now... and they're getting so extreme that people are starting to come back towards the middle from the left, and as such, people on the left are going to end up heavily divided, and rightfully so... in the sense that the extreme left is absolutely ****ing batshit crazy right now.


https://www.amazon.com/My-Rise-Top-HOLLYWOOD-1-ebook/dp/B07KRZ8DSB

[SomeBlackDude]

So getting back the same amount of money at a faster rate is worse than getting it back in one lump sum? The *only* reason that rings true is because people are irresponsible with money and if it's in their hands throughout the year, they're more likely to blow it throughout the year as opposed to saving it.

Only fools enjoy large tax refunds at the end of the year. All it means, is that you gave the government an interest free loan for 12 months... when you could have been earning interest in the other direction.

meh, that's really micro level personal responsibility issues yadda yadda yadda.

personally, i'm looking big picture, macro.

staying with the whey example... recently teachers in west virginia, arguably the reddest of red states and (coincidentally) the 2nd poorest state in the union, went on strike seeking increased pay. their solution was taxing the oil/coal industry.

[URL="https://newrepublic.com/article/147266/west-virginia-teachers-strike-takes-aim-coal-gas"][B]The West Virginia Teachers

[Ben Simmons 25]

Just stick to Russia. You're better at it.

[SomeBlackDude]

Just stick to Russia. You're better at it.

still on russia watch, don't worry about that.

but breaking news...


Coal tax cuts among bills signed by Justice Wednesday

Two bills giving tax breaks to the coal industry were among legislation Gov. Jim Justice signed into law Wednesday, ahead of a midnight deadline to act on bills passed in the 2019 regular session of the West Virginia Legislature.

Among the bills Justice signed Wednesday is legislation to provide for a three-year phase-down on the state severance tax on steam coal from 5 percent to 3 percent, ultimately costing the state about $60 million a year in tax revenue (House Bill 3142).

#fiscalconservatism

[SomeBlackDude]

the reason the gop fiscal conservative establishment/fox real news has zeroed in so hard on aoc is because they know that 76% of 'murricans support npc wealth tax proposals.

[QUOTE]A new poll by Politico and Morning Consult, involving 1,993 people from Feb. 1-2, found that 76% of registered voters surveyed think wealthy Americans should pay more taxes. This comes after a recent Fox News survey of 1,008 registered voters found that 70% of Americans

[tpols]

Who the **** thought cutting taxes 0n the wealthiest contributors while already being down 20 trill was a good idea?

Trumptards raise your hands.

[Akrazotile]

the reason the gop fiscal conservative establishment/fox real news has zeroed in so hard on aoc is because they know that 76% of 'murricans support npc wealth tax proposals.



76%

70% by fox's own data.

looks like people may have finally caught on to the trickle down scheme it seems.


“Other ppl should gibs more, but not me!” is popular among the masses, you say?

Fascinating.


Imagine being so low IQ as to think that’s an intellectual position and not a purely selfish one.

[Akrazotile]

Who the **** thought cutting taxes 0n the wealthiest contributors while already being down 20 trill was a good idea?

Trumptards raise your hands.


It

[SomeBlackDude]

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]

[Akrazotile]

nah, more like people have finally figured out that corporate tax cuts and cuts for the wealthiest = guaranteed soaring deficits, lower wages, recessions.

apple's stock buybacks will never magically find their way to your pockets.

took almost 40 years but the great awakening is finally beginning.

#voodooeconomics

:applause:


The difference in our mentalities is, I dont need them to.

[Hawker]

Who the **** thought cutting taxes 0n the wealthiest contributors while already being down 20 trill was a good idea?

Trumptards raise your hands.

How

[SomeBlackDude]

The difference in our mentalities is, I dont need them to.

te salut, don akrazoleone.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-29-2019/spDCdK.gif

but you should know that apple takes your blades of freedom/book sales tax revenue in the form of massive corporate subsidies and turns around and makes their board, majority stakeholders fortunes with their buyback scheme.

is this not antithetical to the mission of blades of freedom™? :confusedshrug:

[Hawker]

whey's getting 'chump change' (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13643297&postcount=3) for his tax refund this year. :(

meanwhile, the industry he works in received $27 billion in tax payer funded subsidies (https://cleantechnica.com/2018/06/06/us-still-subsidizing-fossil-fuels-to-tune-of-27-billion/) last year alone.

stalker is exonerated.

No surprise you don’t know the difference between a subsidy and a tax break. Fossil fuel companies don’t receive subsidies. They receive a tax deduction for expenses like all companies out there.

And you tend to get a smaller refund when you pay les tax during the year. You’re the lowest of the low IQs.

[Hawker]

Who the **** thought cutting taxes 0n the wealthiest contributors while already being down 20 trill was a good idea?

Trumptards raise your hands.

Tax revenue the highest its ever been. Can you even math bro?
Tax as a % of GDP ranges around 18% and Hs been that way since the 50s no matter the tax code.

[tpols]

How’s New York’s deficit looking these days? Cuomo went begging to Trump to change it.


Blue states hold the vast majority of this country's GDP...when the welfare state collapses at the federal level, those already teetering red states are going to rival zimbabwe. You picked a good time to leave mate.

[Akrazotile]

Blue states hold the vast majority of this country's GDP...when the welfare state collapses at the federal level, those already teetering red states are going to rival zimbabwe. You picked a good time to leave mate.


So blue states have money, they have socialist voters, and socialist politicians.

WHY dont they have wealth parity?

You always duck this simple question.

Instead of thinking about it and shaping your ideas accordingly, you simply hide from it and go on believing in fairy tales.

How convenient.

[SomeBlackDude]

breaking news.

[QUOTE]Bloomberg
‏@business

White House chief economic adviser Larry Kudlow called on the Federal Reserve to

[tpols]

So blue states have money, they have socialist voters, and socialist politicians.

WHY dont they have wealth parity?

You always duck this simple question.

Instead of thinking about it and shaping your ideas accordingly, you simply hide from it and go on believing in fairy tales.

How convenient.


Their wealth parity and quality of life is much healthier than red states... especially for middle class white folks. Most federal funding for EBT, housing, welfare etc is sent to poor red states from the blue state deposited coffers. Once that's cut off...place is gonna look like mad max.

Northeast blue can survive on its own for a bit when shit hits the fan. We have the big business still and in such a crisis would have to wall you guys away. :(

[Ben Simmons 25]

breaking news.



sounds like things are going well.

You are so economically illiterate, particularly as it pertains the federal reserve, that it makes me want to blow my brains out.

[SomeBlackDude]

You are so economically illiterate, particularly as it pertains the federal reserve, that it makes me want to blow my brains out.

how long before larry calls for negative interest rates (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=462157) from the fed?

https://i.gifer.com/N05X.gif

[Akrazotile]

[QUOTE=Hawker][B]No surprise you don

[Hawker]

Their wealth parity and quality of life is much healthier than red states... especially for middle class white folks. Most federal funding for EBT, housing, welfare etc is sent to poor red states from the blue state deposited coffers. Once that's cut off...place is gonna look like mad max.

Northeast blue can survive on its own for a bit when shit hits the fan. We have the big business still and in such a crisis would have to wall you guys away. :(

Where would you get your power from?
Why is the immigration rate negative from blue to red states at the moment?

[Akrazotile]

Their wealth parity and quality of life is much healthier than red states... especially for middle class white folks. Most federal funding for EBT, housing, welfare etc is sent to poor red states from the blue state deposited coffers. Once that's cut off...place is gonna look like mad max.

Northeast blue can survive on its own for a bit when shit hits the fan. We have the big business still and in such a crisis would have to wall you guys away. :(


Mississippi is richer than Britain. (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/03/07/still-true-even-mississippi-is-richer-than-britain/amp/)

Also, California is fourth in wealth inequality, and has the second fastest current rate of wealth disparity acceleration.


Your simple “blue states make the econonomy gooder!” Is the most basic, 4th grade interpretation of economics. You just arent smart enough to know any better. You wont accept plain, clear logic. You cant be helped.

Anyway I cant go back and forth about the usual flaws in the arguments of the usual suspects here. Headed to the Dell Match Play in 20 minutes.

Have a good day.

[NumberSix]

Blue states hold the vast majority of this country's GDP...
And the people in blue states who vote Republican make more money than those who vote Democrat. So who

[NumberSix]

Who the **** thought cutting taxes 0n the wealthiest contributors while already being down 20 trill was a good idea?

Trumptards raise your hands.
It was a good idea. The tax cuts resulted in the government collecting more tax dollars. $14 billion more to be exact.

[Ben Simmons 25]

how long before larry calls for negative interest rates (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=462157) from the fed?

https://i.gifer.com/N05X.gif

You linked to a thread of mine. Congrats...

That has nothing to do with my point about you being clueless you blubbering buffoon.

[tpols]

Wealth parity in blue states is skewed by all the illegals and immigrants. Their middle class is far healthier than red states... Waay more economic opportunity here., and social safety nets to fall back on if need be.

Trump is right about closing the border though... If businesses are properly taxed, things can start to reverse. Right now is a collision course but I'm not sure what China can do about it. If we go so do they.

[RidonKs]

Talk is that this is the election where real issues came come to the table, on the democratic side. True to an extent, as in the dreaming fervor's already begun, and god bless its fruition, but the time was 2016 and it was missed. The Trump.V.Bernie election could have been the game changer. Honest practitioners of opposing ideologies. It's such a shame we never got to see it in earnest, as two newcomers braced the electorate with spellbinding visions of humanity.

Instead it's going to be Bernie vs Mayor Pete. Lots to like about Pete, no doubt, but whoever wins the nomination will be playing old cards. Heels have already dug in for much of whatever 40% of the voting public tends to conceal them til the very end. I'm still convinced whoever comes out of the Dems process will beat Trump, but then, I was on the wrong end of that conviction and I won't count my cards until this one's revealed.

Would Pete's youth factor into your primary vote?

[bladefd]

Talk is that this is the election where real issues came come to the table, on the democratic side. True to an extent, as in the dreaming fervor's already begun, and god bless its fruition, but the time was 2016 and it was missed. The Trump.V.Bernie election could have been the game changer. Honest practitioners of opposing ideologies. It's such a shame we never got to see it in earnest, as two newcomers braced the electorate with spellbinding visions of humanity.

Instead it's going to be Bernie vs Mayor Pete. Lots to like about Pete, no doubt, but whoever wins the nomination will be playing old cards. Heels have already dug in for much of whatever 40% of the voting public tends to conceal them til the very end. I'm still convinced whoever comes out of the Dems process will beat Trump, but then, I was on the wrong end of that conviction and I won't count my cards until this one's revealed.

Would Pete's youth factor into your primary vote?

I think Pete and Beto could both potentially be good candidates. Keep an eye on both. They are young, likable and charismatic ala Obama and very smart folks. I think an issues based campaign from either of the 2 can bring Trump down to his knees and expose his ass.

[diamenz]

I think Pete and Beto could both potentially be good candidates. Keep an eye on both. They are young, likable and charismatic ala Obama and very smart folks. I think an issues based campaign from either of the 2 can bring Trump down to his knees and expose his ass.

i'd vote trump before that beto f***. you'd have to be an absolute sucker to support a gimmick candidate like that.

[RidonKs]

I think Pete and Beto could both potentially be good candidates. Keep an eye on both. They are young, likable and charismatic ala Obama and very smart folks. I think an issues based campaign from either of the 2 can bring Trump down to his knees and expose his ass.
Maybe it's because I follow a few twitter accounts that have relentlessly mocked him, but to me, Beto's already burned out. His style is a total Obama knockoff. His punk skater highschool band brand is pretty thin. Texas is a much riskier base to run on than the midwest. I think Pete's the guy. Kamala Harris has a shot. Biden will burn out rather quickly. Yang is a sideshow with a high floor/low ceiling. Warren will lose votes to Sanders. Booker is Marco Rubio come again.

But like I said, the timing is bad. Interesting surprises were ripe for last cycle. This time, they have all adapted to the issue set Sanders brought to light. Now the electorate will have to decide not based on what's pledged but based on who's actually going to get it done... which isn't as easy a choice. That's why the well-spoken unflappable candidates, like Pete and Harris, get to gain ground, while the true spokesman, Mr Sanders, has less to say and has to bank on reputation.

[diamenz]

Maybe it's because I follow a few twitter accounts that have relentlessly mocked him, but to me, Beto's already burned out. His style is a total Obama knockoff. His punk skater highschool band brand is pretty thin. Texas is a much riskier base to run on than the midwest. I think Pete's the guy. Kamala Harris has a shot. Biden will burn out rather quickly. Yang is a sideshow with a high floor/low ceiling. Warren will lose votes to Sanders. Booker is Marco Rubio come again.

But like I said, the timing is bad. Interesting surprises were ripe for last cycle. This time, they have all adapted to the issue set Sanders brought to light. Now the electorate will have to decide not based on what's pledged but based on who's actually going to get it done... which isn't as easy a choice. That's why the well-spoken unflappable candidates, like Pete and Harris, get to gain ground, while the true spokesman, Mr Sanders, has less to say and has to bank on reputation.

sanders is still the champion on all of those progressive issues, though... and the establishment dems that have 'adapted' those policies are just full of shit, or don't go the whole nine yards on them.

[rufuspaul]

the GOP doesnt know how to create anything.


:lol What the hell have the Democrats created since taking over the House? They can't even agree that antisemitism is a bad thing.

[bladefd]

:lol What the hell have the Democrats created since taking over the House? They can't even agree that antisemitism is a bad thing.

Took over House like less than 3 months ago :confusedshrug:

[SomeBlackDude]

Took over House like less than 3 months ago :confusedshrug:

meanwhile, a decade after kenyacare the gop still doesn't have an alternative plan.

the doj just last week tried yet again to repeal and not replace and even cocaine mitch & the other gop'ers were like f*** that (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/03/mitch-mcconnell-abandons-donald-trump-obamacare-repeal).

[bladefd]

meanwhile, a decade after kenyacare the gop still doesn't have an alternative plan.

the doj just last week tried yet again to repeal and not replace and even cocaine mitch & the other gop'ers were like f*** that (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/03/mitch-mcconnell-abandons-donald-trump-obamacare-repeal).

Republicans (mostly Trump) are just trying to push the narrative that they are serious about health care leading into 2020 election because poll after poll shows people are most concerned about health care. GOP are not serious at all about it but has to change the narrative to being the party of health care.

GOP does not know the first thing about how to run health care. If they could have it their way, they would kill Medicare/medicaid and privatize it

[tpols]

meanwhile, a decade after kenyacare the gop still doesn't have an alternative plan.

the doj just last week tried yet again to repeal and not replace and even cocaine mitch & the other gop'ers were like f*** that (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/03/mitch-mcconnell-abandons-donald-trump-obamacare-repeal).


:roll:

trump must be pissed these guys are on his side

[bladefd]

Little bit about Mayor Pete for those not familiar with him:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/01/opinion/pete-buttigieg-2020.html

Tl;dr: Harvard for bachelors, Oxford for masters, Rhodes scholar, fought in Afghanistan as a Navy lieutenant, part of LGBT community, 37yr old millennial, conservative when it comes to family and church but progressive when it comes to policy, worked in both public sector and private sector, parents were both professors, was the valedictorian in HS and graduated as magna *** laude from Harvard

Those are some awesome acumens he accumulated :eek:

[RidonKs]

Little bit about Mayor Pete for those not familiar with him:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/01/opinion/pete-buttigieg-2020.html

Tl;dr: Harvard for bachelors, Oxford for masters, Rhodes scholar, fought in Afghanistan as a Navy lieutenant, part of LGBT community, 37yr old millennial, conservative when it comes to family and church but progressive when it comes to policy, worked in both public sector and private sector, parents were both professors, was the valedictorian in HS and graduated as magna *** laude from Harvard

Those are some awesome acumens he accumulated :eek:
Except for the fact that he's a wannabe establishment fraud, obv

But brilliant, sure

[bladefd]

Republicans (mostly Trump) are just trying to push the narrative that they are serious about health care leading into 2020 election because poll after poll shows people are most concerned about health care. GOP are not serious at all about it but has to change the narrative to being the party of health care.

GOP does not know the first thing about how to run health care. If they could have it their way, they would kill Medicare/medicaid and privatize it

Yup, definitely what it was..

Lil Donny:

“Everybody agrees that ObamaCare doesn’t work. Premiums & deductibles are far too high - Really bad HealthCare! Even the Dems want to replace it, but with Medicare for all, which would cause 180 million Americans to lose their beloved private health insurance,” the president tweeted.

“The Republicans … are developing a really great HealthCare Plan with far lower premiums (cost) & deductibles than ObamaCare,” Trump continued. “In other words it will be far less expensive & much more usable than ObamaCare. Vote will be taken right after the Election when Republicans hold the Senate & win … back the House.”

Republicans have no interest in touching health care unless if it is to get rid of Obamacare and replace it with nothing new except the even bigger mess we had before. It's just a political ploy by Trump to bs people with more nonsense.

[SomeBlackDude]

[QUOTE]

[rufuspaul]

:roll: You idiots on the left are talking healthcare (which the Dems will never solve because they, like all politicians are beholden to the insurance lobby. Just look at Harris's backtracking on the subject) while at the same time your candidates are fighting each other to the point where the reelection of Trump is almost inevitable.

Biden is quickly being swallowed by the Me Too monster due to allegations fueled by the Sanders campaign.

If you asked all the Dem candidates to join a firing squad they'd pick up their rifles and form a circle. :lol

[tpols]

its amazing the lies with the healthcare. the GOP has been shooting this stuff down for 40 years.... they've never, ever ever had a plan for anything, except romneycare in Massachussetts, which is literally obamacare at the state level.

:facepalm

i also cant believe how deceitful trump is being, stringing everybody along like they are putting in work... these old hillbillies being able to restructure from the bottom up this huge entangled, corrupted mess is the funniest thing ive ever heard of. :lol

itd be like putting an NFL team in charge of the manhattan project.

[rufuspaul]

Took over House like less than 3 months ago :confusedshrug:


Coming up on 100 days rather quickly. Not much to show for it.




these old hillbillies being able to restructure from the bottom up this huge entangled, corrupted mess is the funniest thing ive ever heard of.


Yeah but these Dems who can't even agree on any cohesive message will be able to sort it out, no problem. :roll eyes: "Orange man bad" can only take you so far.

[SomeBlackDude]

Yeah but these Dems who can't even agree on any cohesive message will be able to sort it out, no problem. :roll eyes: "Orange man bad" can only take you so far.

:lol

last time the dems had control of the federal gov, they actually passed healthcare reform.

then every gop'er and their grandmother ran on 'repeal and replace' without ever giving any shred of details of any sort of actual plan.

then 'murricans were like, ok here are the keys to the government, let's see your plans.

then every gop'er was like:

http://tvyfarandula.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/04c0c097414b4ff7852ac19d238aa9c1.gif

now it's 'vote for us again and we'll finally reveal that secret big beautiful plan that will cover everyone, lower premiums, and lower drug prices. forreal this time, folks. believe us.'

you can't make this shit up.

:yaohappy:

[tpols]

Yeah but these Dems who can't even agree on any cohesive message will be able to sort it out, no problem. :roll eyes: "Orange man bad" can only take you so far.


They already passed and implemented romneycare on the federal level and its worked well in blue states that implemented it...not so well in red states with governors stomping their feet and throwing sochulizm tantrums.

Even if you give it a shitty grade... a C or something its still better than a big ole F, doc.

[tpols]

:lol

last time the dems had control of the federal gov, they actually passed healthcare reform.

then every gop'er and their grandmother ran on 'repeal and replace' without ever giving any shred of details of any sort of actual plan.

then 'murricans were like, ok here are the keys to the government, let's see your plans.

then every gop'er was like:

http://tvyfarandula.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/04c0c097414b4ff7852ac19d238aa9c1.gif

now it's 'vote for us again and we'll finally reveal that secret big beautiful plan that will cover everyone, lower premiums, and lower drug prices. forreal this time, folks. believe us.'

you can't make this shit up.

:yaohappy:


Ro0f gonna be like dog gone it I've been tricked again. :rant

[qrich]

The way Dems are imploding is hilarious. Beta Bernie attacking Creepy Joe. Robert ashamed of his heritage and basically pulling a Pocahontas by calling himself Beto. Kamala showing her ignorance. Pocahontas thinking she has a chance. Tulsi thinking she has a chance.

There's no doubt that the Dems are going to run another campaign full of ad hominems and orange man bad versus actual policies .

[SomeBlackDude]

Ro0f gonna be like dog gone it I've been tricked again. :rant

there's gonna be so much winning on healthcare, you're gonna get tired of winning. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV7yx2y3TtY)

[bladefd]

:yaohappy:

john mccain is somewhere right now, giving this a thumbs down.

2 years of complete control of the federal government with nothing to show for it but a deficit busting corporate stock buyback program.

but next time... next time you're gonna get great, bigly beautiful healthcare.

believe me, folks.

#votegop

:roll: :roll: :roll:

He is nothing but a con-artist. Always was, always will be.

[bladefd]

The way Dems are imploding is hilarious. Beta Bernie attacking Creepy Joe. Robert ashamed of his heritage and basically pulling a Pocahontas by calling himself Beto. Kamala showing her ignorance. Pocahontas thinking she has a chance. Tulsi thinking she has a chance.

There's no doubt that the Dems are going to run another campaign full of ad hominems and orange man bad versus actual policies .

So you saying this will be like 2016 GOP primary??

What worries me the most is Democrats ending up with their own version of a low-character con-artist like Lil Donny out of the primaries.. That would make me very sad for the future if such a vile person can somehow pull off a win :(

[scuzzy]

may be the first thread I ever started to unsubscribe from

[qrich]

So you saying this will be like 2016 GOP primary??

What worries me the most is Democrats ending up with their own version of a low-character con-artist like Lil Donny out of the primaries.. That would make me very sad for the future if such a vile person can somehow pull off a win :(

The 2016 GOP had multiple folks ashamed of their heritage?

But then again, the Dems have run on no policies since 06 or so.

[Hawker]

Apparently Biden asked Ukraine to fire the prosecutor investigating his son in order to avoid pulling $1 billion in US loan guarantees (https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/436816-joe-bidens-2020-ukrainian-nightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived)

[QUOTE]U.S. banking records show Hunter Biden

[rufuspaul]

The way Dems are imploding is hilarious. Beta Bernie attacking Creepy Joe. Robert ashamed of his heritage and basically pulling a Pocahontas by calling himself Beto. Kamala showing her ignorance. Pocahontas thinking she has a chance. Tulsi thinking she has a chance.

There's no doubt that the Dems are going to run another campaign full of ad hominems and orange man bad versus actual policies .


This. It's hilarious how lock step they are in totally ditching the false Russia narrative and now it's healthcare 24/7. :oldlol: Pelosi sent out the orders and all the MSM networks fell in line too.

[SomeBlackDude]

This. It's hilarious how lock step they are in totally ditching the false Russia narrative and now it's healthcare 24/7. :oldlol: Pelosi sent out the orders and all the MSM networks fell in line too.

this man's living in an alternate dimension. :lol

what actually happened was last week the maga doj sided with a district court that ruled obamacare invalid (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/435759-justice-department-sides-with-court-ruling-obamacare-invalid)... which led to cocaine mitch and virtually every other gop'er to hit the panic button because they don't want to touch the healthcare issue with a 100 ft pole... which led to just now the emperor promising to fix everything and finally reveal the secret maga healthcare plan after the 2020 elections.

but something something chuck n nancy, crooked dems, winning. :rockon:

[bladefd]

this man's living in an alternate dimension. :lol

what actually happened was last week the maga doj sided with a district court that ruled obamacare invalid (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/435759-justice-department-sides-with-court-ruling-obamacare-invalid)... which led to cocaine mitch and virtually every other gop'er to hit the panic button because they don't want to touch the healthcare issue with a 100 ft pole... which led to just now the emperor promising to fix everything and finally reveal the secret maga healthcare plan after the 2020 elections.

but something something chuck n nancy, crooked dems, winning. :rockon:

There is also no question that Trump saw poll after poll showing people care the most about healthcare. That will be a huge factor in 2020 election, and he saw Democrats focusing on it over last week. The narcissist in him wanted to get his name out there, which he successfully did. He always wants to be in the news and stay relevant. And the news stations oblige every single time without him spending a penny.

:biggums:

There is a saying.. Any news is good news.. And that's how Donny ran his campaign, and now his presidency

[tpols]

Trump filed a suit to toss obamacare in the garbage last week... That's why its getting attention.

[SomeBlackDude]

There is also no question that Trump saw poll after poll showing people care the most about healthcare. That will be a huge factor in 2020 election

yup and in the maga era, the popularity of kenyacare has increased bigly. 50/39 (+11) favorable to unfavorable in the latest tracking. was 38/49 (-11) in april '16.

sauce (https://www.kff.org/interactive/kff-health-tracking-poll-the-publics-views-on-the-aca/#?response=Favorable--Unfavorable&aRange=all)

people have finally figured out the gop has no alternative (and that the obamacare they hate so much and the aca they love are one and the same :oldlol: ).

that's why pablo mitchcobar and his minions freaked out when maga started talking about taking away 20 million people's healthcare with absolutely no plan for replacement.

[bladefd]

Nobody should be talking about getting rid of obamacare without something to replace it with..

What made me laugh was Lil Donny's tweet:

Even the Dems want to replace it, but with Medicare for all, which would cause 180 million Americans to lose their beloved private health insurance

Yeah moron, universal healthcare means people lose their private health insurances with outrageous premiums/copays/deductibles.. to be replaced by a public option that provides healthcare for everyone at a lower cost

I do wonder if anyone fell for that moronic tweet..

[Hawker]

Nobody should be talking about getting rid of obamacare without something to replace it with..

What made me laugh was Lil Donny's tweet:


Yeah moron, universal healthcare means people lose their private health insurances with outrageous premiums/copays/deductibles.. to be replaced by a public option that provides healthcare for everyone at a lower cost

I do wonder if anyone fell for that moronic tweet..

Says you...not everyone wants what the government is feeding them. Nothing the government does is ever at a lower cost. And if it is at a "lower cost" it's being paid with debt.

[bladefd]

Health insurance is actually outrageous to think about.. My parents pay $12,000 in premiums yearly, have $1,800 deducible (insurance pays $0 until you fill deducible), and $50 copay for any doctor visit. Also, his employer matches the premium on their end so it's actually $24,000 premium..

That's 25,800 for 4 people (I'm not covered since I turned 27).. and that's not including copays. Also insurance pays 80% once you fill deducible so they are still paying 20% copay for any service garnered on top of the $50 copay for visit. I didn't include expensive-ass medicine costs either for my dad, who has heart problems.

That's insane. God forbid if any of them need operation for anything down the road.. They would have to empty their bank accounts. Most people out there live paycheck to paycheck -- what do you think would happen to those people??

I dare someone to defend what we have now or the even worse trash system we had before that GOP wants back. Go ahead, hawk or numbersix.

[bladefd]

Says you...not everyone wants what the government is feeding them. Nothing the government does is ever at a lower cost. And if it is at a "lower cost" it's being paid with debt.

It can be funded entirely through taxes, which would actually amount to less than the average family pays for premiums/deducible/copays (refer to above post for a typical example of an American family, Australian hawk)

Yeah, more taxes but think about what expenses you eliminate in return..

[tpols]

I dare someone to defend what we have now or the even worse trash system we had before that GOP wants back. Go ahead, hawk or numbersix.


what we have now is only a compromise to GOP fear mongering circa a decade ago. It is a republican philosophy based around personal responsibility which is what romneycare used as its slogan in MA. We SHOULD have a public option / elective medicare opt in... and of course its been proven in every first world country to be more cost effective than any method weve ever had here o-care and prior, but these old timers just wont get on board because its their sole job to complain about what democrats are doing. they didnt sign up to do any work.

[bladefd]

what we have now is only a compromise to GOP fear mongering circa a decade ago. It is a republican philosophy based around personal responsibility which is what romneycare used as its slogan in MA. We SHOULD have a public option / elective medicare opt in... and of course its been proven in every first world country to be more cost effective than any method weve ever had here o-care and prior, but these old timers just wont get on board because its their sole job to complain about what democrats are doing. they didnt sign up to do any work.

That's exactly what we need.. a public option or sure, medicare opt-in. I think most people would select that over whatever expensive ass private insurance they have now that they are paying an arm & leg for.. But of course, they can keep it if they wish - they will just be paying more if they wish. We don't need to eliminate private insurances but I suspect most would go out of business once people start choosing public option. Insurance companies know the scam they are currently running, and they will fight tooth and nails for it

[Hawker]

It can be funded entirely through taxes, which would actually amount to less than the average family pays for premiums/deducible/copays (refer to above post for a typical example of an American family, Australian hawk)

Yeah, more taxes but think about what expenses you eliminate in return..

Yet countries like New Zealand and Australia have high tax rates on their middle class and a GST.

No estate taxes.
Little or no capital gains taxes.
Simple tax brackets.
New Zealand has NO state/local income taxes like the US.
Corporate tax rate LOWER than the 35% Trump just lowered it down from.
No social security or payroll taxes.

Marginal tax rates in NZ:

33% from $70,000 and up.

30%: $48,001 to $70,000

17.5%: $14,001 to $48,000

10.5%: $0 to $14,000

I'd love to see what the reaction would be to a 30% tax rate in the US on teachers.

How can these countries fund all this stuff with less complicated and less revenue than the US?


Also, guess what, they dont allow illegal immigrants to use their healthcare. Are you ready to do the same in the US? Do you think the democrats will say, "medicare for all" and insure that illegals can't use the system? You're insane if you think that's the case. You have to pay into it and be a citizen.

I had to give me credit card to a hospital before being seen since I was on a resident visa.

[bladefd]

Yet countries like New Zealand and Australia have high tax rates on their middle class and a GST.

No estate taxes.
Little or no capital gains taxes.
Simple tax brackets.
New Zealand has NO state/local income taxes like the US.
Corporate tax rate LOWER than the 35% Trump just lowered it down from.
No social security or payroll taxes.

Marginal tax rates in NZ:

33% from $70,000 and up.

30%: $48,001 to $70,000

17.5%: $14,001 to $48,000

10.5%: $0 to $14,000

I'd love to see what the reaction would be to a 30% tax rate in the US on teachers.

How can these countries fund all this stuff with less complicated and less revenue than the US?


Also, guess what, they dont allow illegal immigrants to use their healthcare. Are you ready to do the same in the US? Do you think the democrats will say, "medicare for all" and insure that illegals can't use the system? You're insane if you think that's the case. You have to pay into it and be a citizen.

I had to give me credit card to a hospital before being seen since I was on a resident visa.

I get what you are saying about simpler taxes system. I get it, NZ has fewer taxes even though they pay higher rate in taxes.. I also get your point about illegals - I would be okay with public option covering only US citizens even though I feel bad. If you are here illegally then you are not obligated to receive anything, ESPECIALLY if you are not even paying taxes like the rest of us. This is a democracy in which you have a voice through voting only if you are a citizen not a free-for-all charity.

In the end, the increase in taxes still wouldn't equate to what we pay per person under our private insurances on average. Average is what? $8-9k per person? My parents' insurance is not even reaching the average American, but it comes close once you consider their $50 copay +20% copay after reaching deductible and extremely high medicine costs.

[Hawker]

I get what you are saying about simpler taxes system. I get it, NZ has fewer taxes even though they pay higher rate in taxes.. I also get your point about illegals - I would be okay with public option covering only US citizens even though I feel bad. If you are here illegally then you are not obligated to receive anything, ESPECIALLY if you are not even paying taxes like the rest of us. This is a democracy in which you have a voice through voting only if you are a citizen not a free-for-all charity.

In the end, the increase in taxes still wouldn't equate to what we pay per person under our private insurances on average. Average is what? $8-9k per person? My parents' insurance is not even reaching the average American, but it comes close once you consider their $50 copay +20% copay after reaching deductible and extremely high medicine costs.

Ok - at least you're consistent and willing to trade the healthcare plan for more simplistic tax plan and no illegals because you can't constantly throw "first world countries" out there as an evidence, focus only on the healthcare and then ignore everything else.

And the main point about the tax system is that it's paid for by TAXING THE MIDDLE CLASS not by high estate taxes, inhertiance taxes, 70% marginal tax rates like the left likes to propose.

Too many in the US are duped to believe that this is the case - it's not.

[NumberSix]

It can be funded entirely through taxes, which would actually amount to less
Yeah, and the government could use taxes to buy everybody a Chevy. But why would you want the government to be in the car business?

[bison]

All the candidates are awful.

[qrich]

Average is what? $8-9k per person? My parents' insurance is not even reaching the average American, but it comes close once you consider their $50 copay +20% copay after reaching deductible and extremely high medicine costs.

The OOPM for a non-HSA and high deductible plan is $7,900 per individual OR $15,800 per family, with lower monthly premiums.

When I sold health insurance, extremely high medical costs were generally ~1,500 a month. Meaning, four-six months, the OOPM would be satisfied, and everything would be 100% covered sans the premium.

[SomeBlackDude]

we officially crossed the $1 trillion corporate stock buyback mark.

https://i.postimg.cc/DzKgJyjL/Stock-Buyback-Trillion-Dollar-Mark.jpg

only a few weeks after it was announced we set the all time record for a monthly budget deficit (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-budget-deficit-widens-to-234-billion-in-february-2019-03-22).

also set a new record with $22 trillion in total debt (https://www.npr.org/2019/02/13/694199256/u-s-national-debt-hits-22-trillion-a-new-record-thats-predicted-to-fall).

#maga :rockon:

[rufuspaul]

Trump filed a suit to toss obamacare in the garbage last week... That's why its getting attention.

Nice try. The Dem shift to healthcare talk happened right after the Mueller report was given to Barr.

[SomeBlackDude]

Nice try. The Dem shift to healthcare talk happened right after the Mueller report was given to Barr.

nice try, mr. paul.

3/25/19 (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/435759-justice-department-sides-with-court-ruling-obamacare-invalid)

nice try.


Donald J. Trump
‏@realDonaldTrump

I was never planning a vote prior to the 2020 Election on the wonderful HealthCare package that some very talented people are now developing for me & the Republican Party. It will be on full display during the Election as a much better & less expensive alternative to ObamaCare...

10 years later.

still in the lab working on the top secret plan.

#2020 will be the great unveiling (after the election doe)

goat era for grifters :bowdown:

[tpols]

Nice try. The Dem shift to healthcare talk happened right after the Mueller report was given to Barr.



Trump literally filed the suit right after the mueller win as a victory lap. you just had it time stamped for you above, proof. but ok.

[SomeBlackDude]

Trump literally filed the suit right after the mueller win as a victory lap.

the emperor used the cover of the barr memo to try to get a lot of dirt done under the radar.

last week he tried to steal 20 million people's healthcare, 'shut down the border' with mehico (whatever the f*ck that means :confusedshrug: )

and it seems his early onset alzheimer's/dementia is progressively getting worse.

yesterday he was rambling on about mueller's oranges (https://www.alternet.org/2019/04/watch-trump-keeps-demanding-an-investigation-into-the-oranges-of-the-mueller-investigation/), couldn't remember where his own father was born (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/03/trump-claims-father-born-germany-false-fred-trump), and was convinced that wind turbine noise causes cancer (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/437096-trump-claims-noise-from-windmills-causes-cancer).

if maga really cares about this man, they'll get him the help he needs. :(

[rufuspaul]

nice try, mr. paul.

3/25/19 (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/435759-justice-department-sides-with-court-ruling-obamacare-invalid)

nice try.



From the article you cite:
U.S. District Judge Reed O'Connor ruled in December that the Affordable Care Act's individual mandate is unconstitutional and that the rest of law is therefore invalid.

:rolleyes:

[SomeBlackDude]

From the article you cite:

:rolleyes:

first sentence from the article i cited:


The Department of Justice (DOJ) on Monday announced that it is siding with a district court ruling that found the Affordable Care Act unconstitutional.

monday as in march 25, 2019.

nice try.

[rufuspaul]

first sentence from the article i cited:



monday as in march 25, 2019.

nice try.


Well of course the Justice Department is siding with the court. Why wouldn't they?

[SomeBlackDude]

Well of course the Justice Department is siding with the court. Why wouldn't they?

you should ask el mitcho guzman (https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/436973-mcconnell-to-trump-were-not-repealing-and-replacing-obamacare).

he and the gop are the ones who were up in arms about the new trumpcare push. forced the emperor to kick the healthcare can to 2021.

:confusedshrug:

[rufuspaul]

you should ask el mitcho guzman (https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/436973-mcconnell-to-trump-were-not-repealing-and-replacing-obamacare).

he and the gop are the ones who were up in arms about the new trumpcare push. forced the emperor to kick the healthcare can to 2021.

:confusedshrug:

And the Dem plan is? Oh yeah, keep the current plan that was developed by the insurance and pharm industry. Oh but orange man bad. :facepalm

[SomeBlackDude]

And the Dem plan is? Oh yeah, keep the current plan that was developed by the insurance and pharm industry.

lol.


House Democrats are rolling out a plan to strengthen the Affordable Care Act that would expand federal insurance subsidies and reverse the Trump administration’s attacks on the health care law — but avoids the party’s internal fight about more ambitious proposals to extend health coverage.

Democrats released the bill the day after the Trump administration said it wanted the entire health care law thrown out by the courts, underscoring the striking divide between the two parties on an issue at the top of voters’ minds.

The legislation covers a number of perceived weaknesses that have appeared in the structure of Obamacare, including some engineered by the administration:

* It expands the tax credits available under the law, both reducing costs for lower-income families and expanding eligibility so middle-class Americans can receive federal assistance.

* It creates a national reinsurance program to offset high medical bills for insurers and thereby keep premium increases in check.

* It rolls back Trump actions expanding skimpier health insurance plans, giving states the freedom to undermine the law’s benefits requirements, and cutting enrollment outreach funding.

-3/26/19




[URL="https://www.investmentnews.com/article/20190227/FREE/190229925/democrats-offer-medicare-for-all-bill-to-transform-health-care"]Democrats offer `Medicare for All' bill to transform health care (http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/03/democrats-move-to-defend-obamacare-from-trump-again.html)


Oh but orange man bad. :facepalm

orange man ain't got no plan.

*but a bigly beautiful one will finally be unveiled after the next election. it's gonna be so great. so wonderful. you won't believe how bigly beautiful, great, and wonderful it'll be. believe me, folks. stay tuned.

[rufuspaul]

We had all those promises about Obamacare. "You can keep your doctor" etc. All I know is my premiums tripled under Obamacare and that's with the highest deductible.

The Dems will sell the initial bill as a magical solution that will bring unicorns to life but once it's revised in committee the insurance lobby will get to them. That's a guarantee.

Anyway it doesn't matter because it won't get through the senate. The Dems know this so it's just a political ploy. Make the GOP and orange man look bad but don't have to worry about the lobbyists who control them because it's dead on arrival anyway.

[rufuspaul]

Anyway, back to the OP. Don, what would be your ideal Democratic ticket?

[SomeBlackDude]

We had all those promises about Obamacare. "You can keep your doctor" etc. All I know is my premiums tripled under Obamacare and that's with the highest deductible.

The Dems will sell the initial bill as a magical solution that will bring unicorns to life but once it's revised in committee the insurance lobby will get to them. That's a guarantee.

Anyway it doesn't matter because it won't get through the senate. The Dems know this so it's just a political ploy. Make the GOP and orange man look bad but don't have to worry about the lobbyists who control them because it's dead on arrival anyway.

kenyacare's popularity has increased bigly under the maga regime.

-11 popularity in april 2016

+11 popularity in april 2019

sauce (https://www.kff.org/interactive/kff-health-tracking-poll-the-publics-views-on-the-aca/#?response=Favorable--Unfavorable&aRange=all)

where's the gop plan?

10 years of screaming 'repeal and replace'.

where's the plan, ruf?

:rant

[Patrick Chewing]

Now the Dems are propping up some gay guy as a possible Presidential candidate?? :oldlol:


Checking off all those boxes I see. What's next? Trans gender-neutral candidate? A centaur candidate??

[TheMan]

Now the Dems are propping up some gay guy as a possible Presidential candidate?? :oldlol:


Checking off all those boxes I see. What's next? Trans gender-neutral candidate? A centaur candidate??
Pansexual? :lol

Yeah, a gay dude ain't winning the presidency, that would be horrendous for the Dems. I sure as hell wouldn't vote for a fggot, don't care if you call me a homophobe.

[SomeBlackDude]

Now the Dems are propping up some gay guy as a possible Presidential candidate?? :oldlol:


Checking off all those boxes I see. What's next? Trans gender-neutral candidate? A centaur candidate??

he can f*ck unicorns and preside over the marriage of same sex penguins in his 'executive time' for all i care.

as long as he can get mexico to finally pay for the bigly beautiful wall, i'll vote for him.

[TheMan]

he can f*ck unicorns and preside over the marriage of same sex penguins in his 'executive time' for all i care.

as long as he can get mexico to finally pay for the bigly beautiful wall, i'll vote for him.
Fukk off!!! :lol

[tpols]

And the Dem plan is? Oh yeah, keep the current plan that was developed by the insurance and pharm industry. Oh but orange man bad. :facepalm


but i thought private sector good... companies good.

Hawker & Plato told us only government workers are prone to corruption so what we got now must be the best system ever.

[SomeBlackDude]

Fukk off!!! :lol

mayor bootyjuice writing a letter to el presidente of mexico (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mDdDlKOKYk)

^just replace 'santa' with 'andr

[Patrick Chewing]

he can f*ck unicorns and preside over the marriage of same sex penguins in his 'executive time' for all i care.

as long as he can get mexico to finally pay for the bigly beautiful wall, i'll vote for him.


I think he's already said he wants no border and wants to keep aborting babies even after they're born.

Why are all the Democrat candidates repeating the same thing and take the same position on the issues? Why even have a debate? How are they going to separate themselves from the rest of the field? So stupid. Yes, Democrats are stupid.

[bladefd]

Now the Dems are propping up some gay guy as a possible Presidential candidate?? :oldlol:


Checking off all those boxes I see. What's next? Trans gender-neutral candidate? A centaur candidate??

Mayor Pete achievements:
Graduated Harvard with bachelors,
graduated as magna c-u-m laude from Harvard (that's top 5% to 20% of class at Harvard - I doubt you know anything about what it takes to be a honors student, let alone high honors :rolleyes: )
Graduated Oxford with masters,
Rhodes scholar,
fought in Afghanistan as a Navy lieutenant,
37yr old millennial,
conservative when it comes to family and church but progressive when it comes to policy,
worked in both public sector and private sector,
parents were both professors,
was the valedictorian in HS

^ your pea brain can't comprehend any of that

[qrich]

Mayor Pete achievements:
Graduated Harvard with bachelors,
graduated as magna c-u-m laude from Harvard (that's top 5% to 20% of class at Harvard - I doubt you know anything about what it takes to be a honors student, let alone high honors :rolleyes: )
Graduated Oxford with masters,
Rhodes scholar,
fought in Afghanistan as a Navy lieutenant,
37yr old millennial,
conservative when it comes to family and church but progressive when it comes to policy,
worked in both public sector and private sector,
parents were both professors,
was the valedictorian in HS

^ your pea brain can't comprehend any of that

Yet, if he were a Republican, none of that would matter and he'd be attacked ala Ben Carson.

[Patrick Chewing]

Mayor Pete achievements:
Graduated Harvard with bachelors,
graduated as magna c-u-m laude from Harvard (that's top 5% to 20% of class at Harvard - I doubt you know anything about what it takes to be a honors student, let alone high honors :rolleyes: )
Graduated Oxford with masters,
Rhodes scholar,
fought in Afghanistan as a Navy lieutenant,
37yr old millennial,
conservative when it comes to family and church but progressive when it comes to policy,
worked in both public sector and private sector,
parents were both professors,
was the valedictorian in HS

^ your pea brain can't comprehend any of that


Valedictorian in High School, huh? Boy, ya got me there.


:oldlol: :roll:


Let's get him into office right this minute!!


You Libs are hilarious. This gay dude is like a shiny new coin you find in your collection of just worn out, gross looking coins. And when you find it, you run to your Dad and you tell him to check out your shiny new coin, and all he does is give your little pansy ass a dose a reality, and says, "Son, all coins whether shiny or full of dirt and grime have the same value at the end of the day." Then he bitch slaps your snowflake ass for wasting his time.

[bladefd]

Valedictorian in High School, huh? Boy, ya got me there.


:oldlol: :roll:


Let's get him into office right this minute!!


You Libs are hilarious. This gay dude is like a shiny new coin you find in your collection of just worn out, gross looking coins. And when you find it, you run to your Dad and you tell him to check out your shiny new coin, and all he does is give your little pansy ass a dose a reality, and says, "Son, all coins whether shiny or full of dirt and grime have the same value at the end of the day." Then he bitch slaps your snowflake ass for wasting his time.

Yup, I was right on the money. Your pea-brain explodes trying to wrap your mind around his intellectuality. You are too stuck on his sexual preference, and you have obviously never heard the guy talk. Talking out of your ass as usual but what else is new?

[bladefd]

Yet, if he were a Republican, none of that would matter and he'd be attacked ala Ben Carson.

[QUOTE]

[qrich]

Now find me a comment by Mayor Pete that is anywhere as idiotic.

Let me respond the way your type does:

*Lists of all the good doctors educational accomplishments and calls you racist for hating on a successful black man*

[Patrick Chewing]

Yup, I was right on the money. Your pea-brain explodes trying to wrap your mind around his intellectuality. You are too stuck on his sexual preference, and you have obviously never heard the guy talk. Talking out of your ass as usual but what else is new?


I could care less about this guy. The original comment I made of which you quoted was stating on how it doesn't matter who the Democrats throw out there, all of them are the same. They all stand for the same thing and they all say the most outlandish thing such as no borders and abortion, abortion, abortion.

Why would anyone vote for this gay guy over anyone else in the field? Just because he's an intellectual? Well shit, I would hope all the candidates are intellectuals, but alas, we are talking about Democrats here.


When Democrats actually run on common sense policies that do not involve free everything, open borders, and the murder of babies, maybe they'll be a chance in hell. As of right now, the only reason this guy is gaining any traction is because of his sexuality. We all see right through that bullshit.

[bladefd]

I could care less about this guy. The original comment I made of which you quoted was stating on how it doesn't matter who the Democrats throw out there, all of them are the same. They all stand for the same thing and they all say the most outlandish thing such as no borders and abortion, abortion, abortion.

Why would anyone vote for this gay guy over anyone else in the field? Just because he's an intellectual? Well shit, I would hope all the candidates are intellectuals, but alas, we are talking about Democrats here.


When Democrats actually run on common sense policies that do not involve free everything, open borders, and the murder of babies, maybe they'll be a chance in hell. As of right now, the only reason this guy is gaining any traction is because of his sexuality. We all see right through that bullshit.

I see a lot of Obama in Mayor Pete. As far opposite as you can get from the moron Trump, whom you tout nonstop.

[qrich]

I see a lot of Obama in Mayor Pete. As far opposite as you can get from the moron Trump, whom you tout nonstop.

So you see a lying individual that would use a touching subject like Genocide recognition to get votes, only to bend over for the Genocidial Nation?

[Patrick Chewing]

I see a lot of Obama in Mayor Pete. As far opposite as you can get from the moron Trump, whom you tout nonstop.


LOL exactly. Obama was a bright, shiny coin (Black guy) that the Democrats touted out even though he had never accomplished anything in the Senate. He was an intellectual who was a great orator. But so was Hitler. :confusedshrug:



Democrats need to be listening to the Starbucks guy. He has a real chance.

[TheMan]

How can a gay dude be conservative when it comes to family and church though?

No Christian church I know advocates for gay families, and a conservative viewpoint on family is a man and a woman :confusedshrug:

[qrich]

How can a gay dude be conservative when it comes to family and church though?

No Christian church I know advocates for gay families, and a conservative viewpoint on family is a man and a woman :confusedshrug:

Church I used to attend in Tucson (and the only Church I've attended more than twice) had a gay couple that would be there weekly and take part in most events.

Pastor never minded :confusedshrug:

[Hawker]

How can a gay dude be conservative when it comes to family and church though?

No Christian church I know advocates for gay families, and a conservative viewpoint on family is a man and a woman :confusedshrug:

That really shouldn't even be a conservative viewpoint but a logical one based on science and what's natural.

The only way a baby can be had naturally is through a man and a woman. That shouldn't be classified as some right wing extreme christian thing. It's rooted in history and science.

[NumberSix]

I see a lot of Obama in Mayor Pete.
[Insert obvious joke]

[rufuspaul]

Valedictorian in High School, huh? Boy, ya got me there.


:oldlol: :roll:


Let's get him into office right this minute!!


You Libs are hilarious. This gay dude is like a shiny new coin you find in your collection of just worn out, gross looking coins. And when you find it, you run to your Dad and you tell him to check out your shiny new coin, and all he does is give your little pansy ass a dose a reality, and says, "Son, all coins whether shiny or full of dirt and grime have the same value at the end of the day." Then he bitch slaps your snowflake ass for wasting his time.


:lol


Bill Clinton was a Yale Law grad and a Rhodes scholar. That didn't keep him from doing some really stupid things when he was in office.

[NumberSix]

:lol


Bill Clinton was a Yale Law grad and a Rhodes scholar. That didn't keep him from doing some really stupid things when he was in office.
didn

[rufuspaul]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]didn

[Derka]

He's not going to let that happen. That's his whole shtick: say or do whatever gets the most people paying attention to him and reacting to him. Whatever keeps people distracted from actual issue politics and actual governance and feeds the circus frenzy that he thrives in, that's what he's going to do.

He'll do whatever he can to distract that largely failing party from whatever it is they can cobble together that resembles a message leading up to 2020. Once again, the Democrats are going to have no idea what hit them.

[TheMan]

There is a pattern though, based on the last few presidents from either the Dems or Reps....the Dems seem to favor dudes who are smart, no doubt Clinton (as flawed as he was), was a very sharp guy...same with Obama. Not so much with the GOP, W came across as a moron tbh, and Trump has to be the dumbest POTUS we've ever had, and stop with the brilliant businessman BS, he was handed a fortune by his dad, he has declared bankruptcy numerous times, he sank the USFL by stupidly going up against the NFL when they were successful as a summer league and he infamously bankrupted a casino...how the fukk do you bankrupt a casino :oldlol: His business acumen isn't that great when you dig deep. He's got his lawyers to get his high school and college records sealed FFS, why is that? Because he's not that bright.

But he knows the best words though lol

[rufuspaul]

There is a pattern though, based on the last few presidents from either the Dems or Reps....the Dems seem to favor dudes who are smart, no doubt Clinton (as flawed as he was), was a very sharp guy...same with Obama. Not so much with the GOP, W came across as a moron tbh, and Trump has to be the dumbest POTUS we've ever had, and stop with the brilliant businessman BS, he was handed a fortune by his dad, he has declared bankruptcy numerous times, he sank the USFL by stupidly going up against the NFL when they were successful as a summer league and he infamously bankrupted a casino...how the fukk do you bankrupt a casino :oldlol: His business acumen isn't that great when you dig deep. He's got his lawyers to get his high school and college records sealed FFS, why is that? Because he's not that bright.

But he knows the best words though lol


Yet he's still worth billions, has properties all over the world, bangs hotties on the reg and is President of the United States. Meanwhile you're just a poor schmuck. But he's stupid though. :lol

[TheMan]

Yet he's still worth billions, has properties all over the world, bangs hotties on the reg and is President of the United States. Meanwhile you're just a poor schmuck. But he's stupid though. :lol
If my dad had left 400 million bucks for me, I might be president too :confusedshrug:

Banging golddiggers and having properties all over the world isn't that hard when pops leaves you hundreds of millions for just being his son....but upon thinking about it further, you're right, I probably would never have become POTUS, I'm too honest and I would feel dirty conning people, and I really don't have it in me to insult and screw people over, I have a thing called moral compass, something our pres sorely lacks.

[rufuspaul]

If my dad had left 400 million bucks for me, I might be president too :confusedshrug:

Banging golddiggers and having properties all over the world isn't that hard when pops leaves you hundreds of millions for just being his son....but upon thinking about it further, you're right, I probably would never have become POTUS, I'm too honest and I would feel dirty conning people, and I really don't have it in me to insult and screw people over, I have a thing called moral compass, something our pres sorely lacks.


Something he has in common with politicians.

[SomeBlackDude]

Yet he's still worth billions

:no:

https://i.postimg.cc/x1qjtKtn/D1-1-Yjn-Xc-AAx-Lrc.jpg

[NumberSix]

If my dad had left 400 million bucks for me, I might be president too :confusedshrug:
Trump was a billionaire like 20 years before his father died.

Fred Trump died in 1999. I’m pretty sure Donald Trump was a world famous billionaire long before he inherited whatever he inherited in 1999.

[qrich]

:no:

https://i.postimg.cc/x1qjtKtn/D1-1-Yjn-Xc-AAx-Lrc.jpg

So you post something from 2004....nice try Lil Donny

[SomeBlackDude]

:no:

https://i.postimg.cc/x1qjtKtn/D1-1-Yjn-Xc-AAx-Lrc.jpg

*this was before the latest round of bankruptcies wherein he lost control of his casino empire to carl icahn (https://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/12/business/12bizbriefs-CARLICAHNMOV_BRF.html).

tim o'brien, the emperor's biographer, had his net worth in the $150-250 mil range.

[QUOTE]In 2004 author Timothy O

[SomeBlackDude]

squanders an (potentially illegally) inherited $413 million fortune.

sets records for bankruptcy.

worth $250 mil tops but owes deutsche and other banks $500 million (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-still-owes-lenders-including-deutsche-bank-as-much-as-480-million-2018-05-16).

now you understand why he had to start laundering mogilevich/putin's money.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/2-08-2017/7Basof.gif

[TheMan]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Trump was a billionaire like 20 years before his father died.

Fred Trump died in 1999. I

[SomeBlackDude]

Trump was receiving Fred's money ever since he was a child.
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ole fred goes through the trouble of committing fraud and like a hundred other financial crimes to get this man the emperor $413 million, no strings attached.

dude turns around and sets the 'murrican record for bankruptcies and has to rely on laundered russian mafia money just to stay afloat.

poor fred must be in hell, looking up like (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrH3XiMR3KA)

[NumberSix]

Honestly, I kind of hope that they either don’t release the Mueller report or heavily redact it. Just for the sake of baiting the Democrats to trap themselves into ranting about collusion for the next 2 years.