Pat Riley says Wade was better than Kobe in 06.

[Kblaze8855]

Not that its a shocking thing for the coach/GM of the Heat to say but im sure some of you have strong opinions on the matter and I didnt see it posted on the first couple pages....


[QUOTE]"Dirk was right on the shelf of winning the big one," Riley says, gesturing with his right hand, the 2006 championship ring glistening under his office lights. "And then Dwyane just stole it from him."

"Unbelievable," Nowitzki says. "Unguardable."

For about a three-year span Wade was, in Riley's view, "the best player in the world."

"Dwyane was better than Kobe at that time," Riley says. "He had a better year by having the impact on winning

[SouBeachTalents]

He also said Dirk was the best player in the world in 2011

[Kblaze8855]

I would hope so. Be the same basic logic and show hes not just making it up as he goes.

[superduper]

He also said Dirk was the best player in the world in 2011

He literally turned into Jesus for those 2 months.

[3ball]

He was more dominant in those Finals than kobe's Finals

But I remember a peak Kobe vs. San Antonio in 01', which I thought was better than Wade ever was.. by at least a tad.. in the toughest defensive environment the NBA ever had in the modern era

Overall, their peaks are real close; could go either way. I'd go with Kobe because he's more skilled overall, despite possibly not being more dominant (although I think he was in 01' vs spurs)

[SpaceJam2]

Wade in 2006 Finals
35-8-4-3-1 on 57% ts (GmScore 25.4)

Kobe in 2009 Finals
32-6-7-1.4-1.4 on 53% ts (GmScore 22.8)

Hmm, okay I'll be honest I didn't think it was this close although Wade still has the obvious edge.

[Smoke117]

I don't really see why that's some outrageous thing to say. He was clearly a better all around player: defense, playmaking. He was also as dynamic as scorer as anyone in the league. Once we went into 2007 before he got hurt, Wade was considered the best player in the league and easy MVP favorite by pretty much everyone. Kobe stans really lucked out with Wade having a shitty body because he would have overtaken Kobe for sure all time if he his body had held up.

[TheCorporation]

In 2006 yes, absolutely. He also had a better peak, but Kobe does have him beat in longevity so it's hard to say.

If we are going peak for peak I choose Wade but if we are going career vs career you have to choose Kobe.

[SouBeachTalents]

I don't really see why that's some outrageous thing to say. He was clearly a better all around player: defense, playmaking. He was also as dynamic as scorer as anyone in the league. Once we went into 2007 before he got hurt, Wade was considered the best player in the league and easy MVP favorite by pretty much everyone. Kobe stans really lucked out with Wade having a shitty body because he would have overtaken Kobe for sure all time if he his body had held up.
I hear this argument a lot, but the Heat were literally never even above .500 after mid-November that season, and were only 25-22 in the games he started before his shoulder injury. Wade was definitely playing at an MVP level, but no way would he have won it over Dirk with such a mediocre record

[plowking]

I honestly feel Wade played better under the tougher old school conditions than Kobe. Whenever he went against the more physical defenses, he always came out in a good light.

He absolutely torched the Celtics one year, although getting sent home in 5. Though no fault of his own. I've never seen a team disrespect someones teammates the way the Celtics did that series. Wade was getting doubled as soon as he passed the half court. Jermaine O'Neal was absolutely useless that series. Think he shot like 12% after 4 games.

[Jon Salley's 10]

Kobe was statpadding in 06

[dirkdiggler41]

We can bring up stats and argue with that, but when I watched Wade in his prime I was very impressed with his fluid way of playing the game. He had the whole package except long range. He might not have played like Michael Jordan, but his fluid and dynamic playstyle reminded me a lot of MJ. Wade was also a much more willing passer.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Riley says. "He had a better year by having the impact on winning—in the Finals, in the biggest moments, on the biggest stage. And you get that moniker."

Bingo.

Curry gets no respect because he shits the bed on the big stage. With KD, he puts up empty stats with no pressure.. before KD he did the same... and his stats are still vastly inferior to KD and LeBron's.


True basketball fans know this and can't deny it - Curry is a fraud and bum

[TheCorporation]

We can bring up stats and argue with that, but when I watched Wade in his prime I was very impressed with his fluid way of playing the game. He had the whole package except long range. He might not have played like Michael Jordan, but his fluid and dynamic playstyle reminded me a lot of MJ. Wade was also a much more willing passer.

Agreed. Kobe seems a bit more methodical/mechanical whereas Wade is so fluid and effortless.

[Andrei89]

I honestly feel Wade played better under the tougher old school conditions than Kobe. Whenever he went against the more physical defenses, he always came out in a good light.

He absolutely torched the Celtics one year, although getting sent home in 5. Though no fault of his own. I've never seen a team disrespect someones teammates the way the Celtics did that series. Wade was getting doubled as soon as he passed the half court. Jermaine O'Neal was absolutely useless that series. Think he shot like 12% after 4 games.


You mean the game when he looked at his hand " on fire' ?

Great series Wade had, horrible cast

[TheCorporation]

Bingo.

Curry gets no respect because he shits the bed on the big stage. With KD, he puts up empty stats with no pressure.. before KD he did the same... and his stats are still vastly superior to KD and LeBron's.


True basketball fans know this and can't deny it - Curry is a fraud and bum

Curry is the biggest fraud in the NBA right now.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Curry is the biggest fraud in the NBA right now.
Bingo.

Curry gets no respect because he shits the bed on the big stage. With KD, he puts up empty stats with no pressure.. before KD he did the same... and his stats are still vastly inferior to KD and LeBron's.


True basketball fans know this and can't deny it - Curry is a fraud and bum



He's a harlem globetrotter (without the all-around skill) - just makes circus shots in the regular season.. NBA jester and bozo

[TheCorporation]

Bingo.

Curry gets no respect because he shits the bed on the big stage. With KD, he puts up empty stats with no pressure.. before KD he did the same... and his stats are still vastly inferior to KD and LeBron's.


True basketball fans know this and can't deny it - Curry is a fraud and bum



He's a harlem globetrotter (without the all-around skill) - just makes circus shots in the regular season.. NBA jester and bozo

How tf do you have a team skilled and deep enough to achieve an NBA record setting 73-wins, become the first and only unanimous MVP, go up 3-1 in a Finals series where teams have been 32-0 in such occurrences and then DISAPPEAR from planet earth and lose game 7 at home shooting 6/19 with 2 assists...

That will forever be the craziest shit of all-time. You'd think it was just a dumb story from a Hollywood movie if it didn't really happen.

[3ball]

Bingo.

Curry gets no respect because he shits the bed on the big stage. With KD, he puts up empty stats with no pressure.. before KD he did the same... and his stats are still vastly inferior to KD and LeBron's.


True basketball fans know this and can't deny it - Curry is a fraud and bum



He's a harlem globetrotter (without the all-around skill) - just makes circus shots in the regular season.. NBA jester and bozo
There's some truth here.. almost too much to be a troll.. nice.. :applause:

[TheCorporation]

There's some truth here.. almost too much to be a troll.. nice.. :applause:

Curry the Court Jester :lol

[plowking]

There's some truth here.. almost too much to be a troll.. nice.. :applause:

Threatened by Curry's +/- in another thread, so starts bandwagoning those shitting on Curry.

Nice bro. Malleable.

[AlternativeAcc.]

How tf do you have a team skilled and deep enough to achieve an NBA record setting 73-wins, become the first and only unanimous MVP, go up 3-1 in a Finals series where teams have been 32-0 in such occurrences and then DISAPPEAR from planet earth and lose game 7 at home shooting 6/19 with 2 assists...

That will forever be the craziest shit of all-time. You'd think it was just a dumb story from a Hollywood movie if it didn't really happen.
Yeah, but it's the norm for someone like Curry whose never faced any real adversity in life

It's not a surprise because his character or lack thereof is transparent.. he's a bitch

When you have an entitled attitude but not the toughness or skill to back it up, it's just plain embarrassing. His undeserved cocky attitude rubbed off on the rest of his teammates.. that smug, entitled, too cool for school despite being a gap-toothed geek with an annoying whale for a wife attitude really did him and warriors in

It's a mixture of being a soft beta and entitlement.. insane combo that played out for the entire world to observe :oldlol:

[eliteballer]

Riley basing this on a fixed Finals for a player juicing more than Tropicana.

[TheCorporation]

Yeah, but it's the norm for someone like Curry whose never faced any real adversity in life

It's not a surprise because his character or lack thereof is transparent.. he's a bitch

When you have an entitled attitude but not the toughness or skill to back it up, it's just plain embarrassing. His undeserved cocky attitude rubbed off on the rest of his teammates.. that smug, entitled, too cool for school despite being a gap-toothed geek with an annoying whale for a wife attitude really did him and warriors in

It's a mixture of being a soft beta and entitlement.. insane combo that played out for the entire world to observe :oldlol:

Good lord, talk about a mic drop brother :cheers:

[eliteballer]

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/11/dwyane-wade-kobe-bryant-greatest-player

[SouBeachTalents]

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/11/dwyane-wade-kobe-bryant-greatest-player
https://uproxx.com/dimemag/lebron-james-best-ever-dwyane-wade-quote-video-cleveland-cavaliers/

[eliteballer]

https://uproxx.com/dimemag/lebron-james-best-ever-dwyane-wade-quote-video-cleveland-cavaliers/

What about "arguably" and "PED's" do you not understand?

[TheCorporation]

https://uproxx.com/dimemag/lebron-james-best-ever-dwyane-wade-quote-video-cleveland-cavaliers/

https://i.postimg.cc/sx3wSprz/tenor.gif

[TheCorporation]

What about "arguably" and "PED's" do you not understand?

Please no more LeBron arm pics

[red1]

yeah this is an excerpt from tim grover's book relentless I was actually listening to the audiobook today with that exact passage.


I agree with him 100% wade from 2006-2011 was a monster when healthy.

[game3524]

Didn’t Kobe out score that same Mavs team by himself?

[SouBeachTalents]

yeah this is an excerpt from tim grover's book relentless I was actually listening to the audiobook today with that exact passage.


I agree with him 100% wade from 2006-2011 was a monster when healthy.
Honestly, I'd even throw '05 in there. Dude was ballin in the playoffs before he got injured, shit cost him the Finals and potentially a title

[Smoke117]

Riley basing this on a fixed Finals for a player juicing more than Tropicana.

Ah, nice go see eliteballer adding his usual insightful input. :rolleyes:

[red1]

Honestly, I'd even throw '05 in there. Dude was ballin in the playoffs before he got injured, shit cost him the Finals and potentially a title
monster and my favorite player at the time. great instincts and agility those long arms and that speed plus that fearlessness made him the most exciting player in the league.


when msn messenger was at it's peak I was rocking a wade with a photoshopped raptors jersey as my display pic :oldlol:

[red1]

He also said Dirk was the best player in the world in 2011
I agree with this as well. he was referring to delivering on the big stage and dirk was ready meanwhile bronbron choked wasting a good series from wade.

[kennethgriffen]

Wade in 2006 Finals
35-8-4-3-1 on 57% ts (GmScore 25.4)

Kobe in 2009 Finals
32-6-7-1.4-1.4 on 53% ts (GmScore 22.8)

Hmm, okay I'll be honest I didn't think it was this close although Wade still has the obvious edge.


a lawyer told mark cuban if he sued the nba for fixing the 2006 finals he would have won and the nba would have gone under

it was that blatant they were gifting wade every call

that might have something to do with wades great stats


kobe didnt need that kind of preferential treatment

[SouBeachTalents]

a lawyer told mark cuban if he sued the nba for fixing the 2006 finals he would have won and the nba would have gone under

it was that blatant they were gifting wade every call

that might have something to do with wades great stats


kobe didnt need that kind of preferential treatment
http://oi27.tinypic.com/2chuq9e.jpg

[Smoke117]

http://oi27.tinypic.com/2chuq9e.jpg

:lol

[SpaceJam2]

a lawyer told mark cuban if he sued the nba for fixing the 2006 finals he would have won and the nba would have gone under

it was that blatant they were gifting wade every call

that might have something to do with wades great stats


kobe didnt need that kind of preferential treatment

Hasn't this been debunked, though? The Heat were down 2-1 when "the fix" was in, according to you, right?

So we can focus on game 4, 5, and 6.

FTA per game
Game 4 = 9
Game 5 = 25 (overtime game)
Game 6 = 21

Average of 18.33 (Yes that is a shit load) but how many were "phantom" calls? Can you link any videos to the phantom/fake calls?

Also, when MJ faced Sonics in 1996 he had a 3 game stretch where he averaged 13.3 per game (16, 11, 13) so I wild admit 18.3 is a shit ton, MJ did have a 13.3 mark prior.

[SouBeachTalents]

Hasn't this been debunked, though? The Heat were down 2-1 when "the fix" was in, according to you, right?

So we can focus on game 4, 5, and 6.

FTA per game
Game 4 = 9
Game 5 = 25
Game 6 = 21

Average of 18.33 (Yes that is a shit load) but how many were "phantom" calls? Can you link any videos to the phantom/fake calls?

Also, when MJ faced Sonics in 1996 he had a 3 game stretch where he averaged 13.3 per game (16, 11, 13) so I wild admit 18.3 is a shit ton, MJ did have a 13.3 mark prior.
My favorite, the game Kobe dropped 62 in 3 quarters on Dallas, he attempted 25 FT's. Yet that's literally never brought up once to invalidate his performance :lol

[SpaceJam2]

My favorite, the game Kobe dropped 62 in 3 quarters on Dallas, he attempted 25 FT's. Yet that's literally never brought up once to invalidate his performance :lol

Pretty damn funny considering we are comparing Wade's 25 for 4 quarters PLUS the overtime to Kobe's 25 in three quarters :lol :lol

[ImKobe]

Wade in 2006 Finals
35-8-4-3-1 on 57% ts (GmScore 25.4)

Kobe in 2009 Finals
32-6-7-1.4-1.4 on 53% ts (GmScore 22.8)

Hmm, okay I'll be honest I didn't think it was this close although Wade still has the obvious edge.

One's against an average defensive team that Kobe scored 62 on in 3 quarters, the other's the #1 defense in the league with peak Dwight protecting the rim.

Wade had the better season in 06 obviously, but let's not act like Kobe wouldn't average 35 against Dallas in a similar situation.

[NBASTATMAN]

Not that its a shocking thing for the coach/GM of the Heat to say but im sure some of you have strong opinions on the matter and I didnt see it posted on the first couple pages....


I Have written this over and over.. I have repeatedly written that Wade at his best was better than Kobe at his.. And I believe Wade at his best was as good as Lebron at his best.. And though Lebron may have been better overall I would take Wade over Bron or Kobe .. Especially vs teams with great A defense...

Wade style of bball is just better vs the great defensive teams.. Riley on the same page as NBASTATMAN... :cheers: :rockon: :applause:

[plowking]

One's against an average defensive team that Kobe scored 62 on in 3 quarters, the other's the #1 defense in the league with peak Dwight protecting the rim.

Wade had the better season in 06 obviously, but let's not act like Kobe wouldn't average 35 against Dallas in a similar situation.

Kobe has never averaged 35ppg in the finals. Not close to the efficiency either.

[SpaceJam2]

One's against an average defensive team that Kobe scored 62 on in 3 quarters, the other's the #1 defense in the league with peak Dwight protecting the rim.

Wade had the better season in 06 obviously, but let's not act like Kobe wouldn't average 35 against Dallas in a similar situation.

I said it was close! But Wade also averaged 2.7 spg to Kobe's 1.4 on top of doing everything else at a slightly better rate.

[MrFonzworth]

http://oi27.tinypic.com/2chuq9e.jpg
:roll::roll::roll:

[Mr Feeny]

Not that its a shocking thing for the coach/GM of the Heat to say but im sure some of you have strong opinions on the matter and I didnt see it posted on the first couple pages....

He was. Wade - at times during that run - was almost unplayable. How many times was he described as "Jordanesque"? That, more than anything, is the most indicative thing about his play back then. In the finals against Dallas,it looked like a child playing NBA live against an AI on rookie mode. EVERY single time they needed him to come through with a basket or clutch free throws or a block, he did. It was a 1 man wrecking machine.

To put things into perspective, he had 42 and 43 point finals games days apart (the first while bringing Miami down from a 13 point deficit with 6 minutes to avoid letting them go down 3-0, in game 3. The 2nd was the pivotal game 5. The huge bank shot to tie the game with 1 second remaining and then the 2 clutch freethrows after going to the line with Miami trailing with 2 seconds to go in overtime.) Kobe only has one 40 point finals game in his entire career and that was against the same Orlando defense that LeBron shredded for a 38.5 ppg average the previous series including a 49 game explosion.



Wade was the best in the world at that point. Atleast,, in my opinion.

[scuzzy]

Pat Riley says Wade was better than Kobe in 06.

He was

Not once in Kobe's career was he ever the best player in the world, not one season

[Mr Feeny]

One's against an average defensive team that Kobe scored 62 on in 3 quarters, the other's the #1 defense in the league with peak Dwight protecting the rim.

Wade had the better season in 06 obviously, but let's not act like Kobe wouldn't average 35 against Dallas in a similar situation.

He wouldn't have because he's never done that in the finals. Not once,, in his entire career. Because he continually struggles on the biggest stage. Even against the 2009 Orlando Magic (against which LeBron had a field day and averaged 38.5 ppg) Kobe couldn't quote average 35 in the very next round. His shooting percentage was much lower than Lebrons, as expected. Less apg. Less rpg.

All par for course, Ofcourse.

[Mr Feeny]

Btw, Pat Riley in 2007 said that Magic couldn't "touch Dwyane" Offensively, when talking about the previous year's achievement and Wade's level in the final. Given that Wade is infinently better than magic was as a defensive player, that was an interesting statement from the man who coached those Showtime lakers teams.

In the same interview, He said that it was a bigger accomplishment (for him aka Riley) to win that Heat title as a coach then all of his lakers titles combined. It just goes to show you how difficult that was.

[sportjames23]

Not that its a shocking thing for the coach/GM of the Heat to say but im sure some of you have strong opinions on the matter and I didnt see it posted on the first couple pages....


Oh, shit! Delete this jawn before kenneth sees--



a lawyer told mark cuban if he sued the nba for fixing the 2006 finals he would have won and the nba would have gone under

it was that blatant they were gifting wade every call

that might have something to do with wades great stats


kobe didnt need that kind of preferential treatment


Too late...

[Duncan21formvp]

He also said Dirk was the best player in the world in 2011
He was

[Gougou]

I think it was the playoff Wade way better than playoff Kobe.


And in the finals Wade really killed it.

[And1AllDay]

Give Kobe 25 FTA per game and Shaq and see what he would do

[And1AllDay]

I think it was the playoff Wade way better than playoff Kobe.


And in the finals Wade really killed it.

Kobe faced Dwight Howard #1 defense for his Finals 09 and Wade faced um Dirk in 06 middle of the pack defense so hard to compare

[Mr.GOAT2408]

What else would he say? Wade had a solid argument for best in the league status during that time.

I respectfully disagree but prime Wade was a killer, would easily be the best SG in the league right now, maybe even the best player in the league

[Mr Feeny]

What else would he say? Wade had a solid argument for best in the league status during that time.

I respectfully disagree but prime Wade was a killer, would easily be the best SG in the league right now, maybe even the best player in the league

Now???:wtf:

He was neck and neck with Kobe for best SG from 2006 till 2012 or so (probably shaded it) and then was never the same after his injuries.

There is absolutely no argument that he's better than Harden right now. That's beyond asinine.

[Kblaze8855]

You couldnt keep Wade in front of you when every team wasnt gunning threes and running. Put him in a 5 out system like the Bucks do with Gianns he would be moonwalking into the lane whenever he wanted. The spacing is totally different. The 06 Heat had good shooters for its time. They were 13th in the NBA with 1441 3s attempted for that season. The Rockets this year have taken 3361 already(to use a less extreme team the Heat themselves are at 2387).

We now spread the floor and let slashers have their way with the paint.

Wade couldnt be kept out when Shaq was in his way posting up with Haslem "spotting up" from 14 feet and Gay Payton shooting 28% from 3.

Give him a team with 6-7 shooters all of them capable and apply the freedom of movement rules to his already borderline infuriating ability to draw fouls? Then let him play at the pace of 40 years ago like team do now?

Wade might well be shooting more FTs than Harden. The Heat this year take more shots a game than several teams did 40 years ago. hell the thunder take more shots than the Lakers did with West, Wilt, and Baylor. Let Wades team take 90 shots instead of 70 something. Hes gonna get a few of them himself....

Its hard to really make a direct comparison between those times and today.

[RoseCity07]

I fully agree with Riley. Wade in his prime was better than Kobe. He just didn't have a long prime.

[kennethgriffen]

My favorite, the game Kobe dropped 62 in 3 quarters on Dallas, he attempted 25 FT's. Yet that's literally never brought up once to invalidate his performance :lol


the playoffs and especially the finals are usually where ticky tack calls are a no go


if someone looked in wades direction he got a call and shot 2 free throws. the series was blatantly rigged

[kennethgriffen]

I fully agree with Riley. Wade in his prime was better than Kobe. He just didn't have a long prime.


i think kobe has more 50 and 60 point games in 1 week than wade has in his entire career

[SouBeachTalents]

i think kobe has more 50 and 60 point games in 1 week than wade has in his entire career
I think Wade had more 40 point Finals games in 3 games than Kobe did in 20 years

[paksat]

the playoffs and especially the finals are usually where ticky tack calls are a no go


if someone looked in wades direction he got a call and shot 2 free throws. the series was blatantly rigged

stop parroting what you've heard...

I've watched the finals from that series many many times, there's barely any "phantom" calls

it wasn't fouls that were making wade hit damn near every single jump shot he took as well.

wade from 06-09 = best player there was

[Mr.GOAT2408]

Now???:wtf:

He was neck and neck with Kobe for best SG from 2006 till 2012 or so (probably shaded it) and then was never the same after his injuries.

There is absolutely no argument that he's better than Harden right now. That's beyond asinine.
:biggums:

He's obviously not better than Harden at his current stage, but prime Wade was easily better.

Kblaze pretty much said what needed to be said, forget the Bucks imagine how he would look on the Rockets. The league wasn't as big on 3s back then so I think he'd adjust as people do, but with his elite slashing ability he would thrive even more even with the lack of range. I love Giannis but he's kind of proof that slashers of old can dominate today even if his size and length also have a big hand in his dominance. You already know how explosive Wade was and while he was 6'4 his wingspan basically allowed him to operate like he was taller with a frame that challenges Harden. He'd look more productive today, no doubt about it

[Mr Feeny]

:biggums:

He's obviously not better than Harden at his current stage, but prime Wade was easily better.

Kblaze pretty much said what needed to be said, forget the Bucks imagine how he would look on the Rockets. The league wasn't as big on 3s back then so I think he'd adjust as people do, but with his elite slashing ability he would thrive even more even with the lack of range. I love Giannis but he's kind of proof that slashers of old can dominate today even if his size and length also have a big hand in his dominance. You already know how explosive Wade was and while he was 6'4 his wingspan basically allowed him to operate like he was taller with a frame that challenges Harden. He'd look more productive today, no doubt about it

I misunderstood you. I think I agree. Wade in his prime was probably better than this version of Harden, by a hair, if only because of his defense.

[tpols]

One cannot be "better than Kobe".

it doesn't logically compute.

[FKAri]

:biggums:

He's obviously not better than Harden at his current stage, but prime Wade was easily better.

Kblaze pretty much said what needed to be said, forget the Bucks imagine how he would look on the Rockets. The league wasn't as big on 3s back then so I think he'd adjust as people do, but with his elite slashing ability he would thrive even more even with the lack of range. I love Giannis but he's kind of proof that slashers of old can dominate today even if his size and length also have a big hand in his dominance. You already know how explosive Wade was and while he was 6'4 his wingspan basically allowed him to operate like he was taller with a frame that challenges Harden. He'd look more productive today, no doubt about it
I agree except for the adjust part. I don't think Wade would've become a great 3pt shooter like Harden. Maybe but it's improbable. Also, the 3 was already pretty damn important even during Wade's prime. Not everyone can just become a great 3pt shooter. Everyone in the league is trying to become a great 3pt shooter and most of them aren't going to make it.

[Phoenix]

I misunderstood you. I think I agree. Wade in his prime was probably better than this version of Harden, by a hair, if only because of his defense.

Until Harden can replicate his regular season performances into playoff success I think it's more than a hair. Harden's obviously a more explosive (regular season) scorer but Wade at his best was so much better in high leverage playoff moments.

[Mr.GOAT2408]

I misunderstood you. I think I agree. Wade in his prime was probably better than this version of Harden, by a hair, if only because of his defense.
:cheers:


I agree except for the adjust part. I don't think Wade would've become a great 3pt shooter like Harden. Maybe but it's improbable. Also, the 3 was already pretty damn important even during Wade's prime. Not everyone can just become a great 3pt shooter. Everyone in the league is trying to become a great 3pt shooter and most of them aren't going to make it.
I don't think Wade would ever be an elite 3 point shooter but he had a respectable enough 3 from 09-11 and would have probably been able to hover over 32-33% for his career if he played today instead of at 29%, not a significant jump. I think with his athleticism he'd be more dangerous even if his 3 didn't change though, just surround him with shooters a la Giannis and see how much space there is, but I give those guys that grew up in the 80s and 90s a little benefit of the doubt compared to 00s and 10s kids because most elite players in the 90s and 00s were still playing the "old school" way, wasn't long ago when the thought of a jump shooting team winning it all was scoffed at, it was all about the mid and post or isos.

Fwiw he's shooting 33% this year on the 2nd most attempts of his career and has made 32% in the past 3 years.

[crisoner]

How's that crack Riley's been smoking in Miami? lol

[AirFederer]

Easily

[Mr Feeny]

Until Harden can replicate his regular season performances into playoff success I think it's more than a hair. Harden's obviously a more explosive (regular season) scorer but Wade at his best was so much better in high leverage playoff moments.

Fair enough. Let's see how he does this off-season. He has a chance to prove himself. If he does what he's done in his last 2 playoffs runs and puts on his customary putrid performance in a close out or elimination game, then there's no coming back for him. His regular season exploits won't be looked at with as much reverence and his standing on the all time list won't be all that.

[Gus Hemmingway]

Another LANDSLIDE victory




WE ALWAYS WIN! :banana:

[kennethgriffen]

I think Wade had more 40 point Finals games in 3 games than Kobe did in 20 years


we already discussed the validity of wades 2006 finals. anyone can drop 40 with 20 free throws per game


kobe dropped 62 in three quarters against that very same team lol

[kennethgriffen]

look at all the lebron fans ITT hyping up wade as a better player than peak kobe


imagine kobe fans being so pathetic to say pau gasol was better than peak lebron


i guess thats what happens when a player ruins his legacy like lebron did this year
































:roll: :roll: :roll:

[SpaceJam2]

look at all the lebron fans ITT hyping up wade as a better player than peak kobe


imagine kobe fans being so pathetic to say pau gasol was better than peak lebron


i guess thats what happens when a player ruins his legacy like lebron did this year






This is what triggered your dumb thread? The Finals #s were already posted. Ill go find them and repost them for you and then you can have another meltdown ok?

Found it, peak for peak:

Wade in 2006 Finals
35-8-4-3-1 on 57% ts (GmScore 25.4)

Kobe in 2009 Finals
32-6-7-1.4-1.4 on 53% ts (GmScore 22.8)

I'll be honest I didn't think it was this close although Wade still has the obvious edge.

[LAmbruh]

i'd have to give the edge to Wade

[LAmbruh]

however very interesting

[scuzzy]

He was, no surprise

[Kiddlovesnets]

He also said Dirk was the best player in the world in 2011

Yes dirk was the best in 2011.

[Manny98]

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