The goat would never:

[3ball]

2011 - have a goat choke

2007 - get Larry Hughes numbers in the Finals

2010 - "94 Pippen" it in the 2nd Round

2013 - get successfully exploited for a broke jumpshot (16 on 39% thru 3 games; 23 on 43 thru 6; net negative for series)

2014 - fail to 3-peat; let some kid have a coming out party on him; get taught a ball movement lesson by old dudes; lose by more than anyone else ever has

2005 - miss the playoffs with the East all-star center on his team

2019 - butcher LA

2011-2018 - be so dependant on one kind of teammate (shooters), that he cedes the best brand of ball, the best offenses and best teams to other franchises (spurs/warriors/mavs, 3/9)

[SouBeachTalents]

Lose 9 of his first 10 playoff games

[Dray n Klay]

Only average 4 rebounds and 2 assists while getting bailed out by Rodman

[ronniec]

Quit on his team and teammates

Jump ship is okay for some of you guys, but jump ship 2 times, 3 times is totally not acceptable

[superduper]

demand a mid season overhaul every single year by throwing visible tantrums on the court and throwing everyone from players 2-15 to the ball boy under the bus and then call them "my guys" when your attempted superstar collusion is unsuccessful.

[SpaceJam2]

Lose 9 of his first 10 playoff games



Only average 4 rebounds and 2 assists while getting bailed out by Rodman


https://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyvq47DWd81rn95k2o1_500.gif

I will add another

49th and 47th ranked of 50 in FG% among FMVP winners

[SpaceJam2]

demand a mid season overhaul every single year by throwing visible tantrums on the court and throwing everyone from players 2-15 to the ball boy under the bus and then call them "my guys" when your attempted superstar collusion is unsuccessful.

But if you had those 2004-2010 Cavs would you be "happy" with your front office and be honest here

[Hey Yo]

Quit the league in his prime.

[SpaceJam2]

Quit the league in his prime.

This guy is my favorite poster bar none dude always brings it.

Big daps to you my guy :cheers: :cheers:

[egokiller]

Quit on his team and teammates

Jump ship is okay for some of you guys, but jump ship 2 times, 3 times is totally not acceptable

It’s all they have. They grew up watching mediocrity. They don’t know what it’s like to watch GOAT MJ. To watch a man that got so bored that he left the game only to comeback and 3 peat again.

[FKAri]

But LeGOAT did all those things thus disproving your argument :lol

WE WIN :rockon:

[dbugz]

say "playoff mode activated"

then miss the playoffs :roll: :roll:

[superduper]

say "playoff mode activated"

then miss the playoffs :roll: :roll:

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

/thread

[LostCause]

say "playoff mode activated"

then miss the playoffs :roll: :roll:

That shit will be hilarious forever :oldlol:

[Rico2016]

Leave a 57-win team who goes on to win 55 without him :lol

+2 :bowdown:

[MrFonzworth]

Get his father killed

[SpaceJam2]

Get his father killed

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[sdot_thadon]

Cry to the league about the team he can't beat.

[superduper]

Cry to the league about the team he can't beat.

Agreed, 2016 will forever remain an *

[E_Stamkos]

This guy is my favorite poster bar none dude always brings it.

Big daps to you my guy :cheers: :cheers:

If by "it" you mean a sub par measure of intelligence, shit stain of a personality, and the unabashed lust for another man's dick pouch... then yes, he perfectly exudes this "it" that you speak of.

[FKAri]

Ask the commissioner to create a new type of foul to be called on his opponents.

[sdot_thadon]

Agreed, 2016 will forever remain an *

Not even close, I'm talking about the time a superstar publicly cried about a team he couldn't beat.


''Detroit`s been very successful with their style and other teams tried to copy it because they were successful, and that`s not good for the game.

''We`ve taken the Good Boy image and walked away,'' Jordan added. ''We may have complained about it and told the teacher, or whatever, but we never tried to lower ourselves to that level. We didn`t lose our cool or our heads. We maintained our poise.''



Ask the commissioner to create a new type of foul to be called on his opponents.
:applause:

[3ball]

But if you had those 2004-2010 Cavs would you be "happy" with your front office and be honest here
Lebron - 28/8/7 produced 66 wins in 09'

Jordan - 33/8/8 produced 47 wins in 89'

Jordan - 35/6/6 produced 50 wins in 88' + dpoy.

The only explanation for Lebron's inferior production yielding 19 and 16 more wins is a better cast that is filling in for Lebron's deficit to Jordan.. :milton

And the accolades tell the story:



87-91' BULLS:. 1-time all-star pippen (90'), 1-time all-defense pippen (91'), Cartwright all-star in 79'

05-10' CAVS:. 2-time all-star Zydrunas + defensive 1st teamer Hughes + all-star/0.165 ws addition Mo + 2-time all-star Jamison + all-defensive varejao + 09' all-star mvp Shaq


Hence lebron winning more by doing less.. :confusedshrug:
.

[Dray n Klay]

3ball, why did Jordan lose with an all star teammate in 1990 and 1995 while LeBron won with no all stars in 2016?

[3ball]

3ball, why did Jordan lose with an all star teammate in 1990 and 1995 while LeBron won with no all stars in 2016?
MJ lost twice with an all-star but lebron did 3 times (05', 09' 18')

And only lebron lost with 2 all-stars (11/14/17), and he also lost with 1 or 2 seeds (6 times)

[Vino24]

Win only 6 chips when 11 is the goat standard

[FKAri]

MJ lost twice with an all-star but lebron did 3 times (05', 09' 18')

And only lebron lost with 2 all-stars (11/14/17), and he also lost with 1 or 2 seeds (6 times)
Why'd he get outplayed by a team with no all-stars when he was a grown ass man of 24 years of age?

[jstern]

I think the GOAT would never go to 8 straight Finals in a row in a conference that's considered the weakest of all time, and then the following year go to the stronger conference and not make the playoffs. This is a HUGE negative for Lebron. Especially after saying things like, "Activating playoff mode" when his team was only a couple of games behind, and then proceed to lose to the top three worse teams in the league, like the Knicks and the Suns.

That just doesn't have the ring of truth when talking about the GOAT. Too many failures. For example, something epic like the flu game has the ring of truth when describing the GOAT to future generations.

[3ball]

Win only 6 chips when 11 is the goat standard
Russell has goat rings but isn't goat-level in as many areas as MJ

That's why MJ is goat - he's the most goat-rounded (rings, stats, accolades, top-dog rings, clutch)

Russell also had 6+ Hof teammates at the time and people are usually referring to modern era when comparing players because of the league was so much smaller in the 60's with political issues and a different competititve balance.

[Vino24]

Russell has goat rings but isn't goat-level in as many areas as MJ

That's why MJ is goat - he's the most goat-rounded (rings, stats, accolades, top-dog rings, clutch)

Russell also had 6+ Hof teammates at the time and people are usually referring to modern era when comparing players because of the league was so much smaller in the 60's with political issues and a different competititve balance.
Russell won rings against better competition. Couple that with the fact that he won the chip his last year and the following year the Celtics missed the playoffs. Goat impact

[SpaceJam2]

Win only 6 chips when 11 is the goat standard

:eek: :eek:

[SpaceJam2]

Win FMVP getting a lower GmScore than Sean Kemp.

[3ball]

Lose 9 of his first 10 playoff games
So it's better to lose 9 of 10 later in a player's career?

Lebron went 1-9 in the playoffs a lot more than MJ ever did..

lebron lost way more than mj.. WAY more..

[TheCorporation]

3ball, why did Jordan lose with an all star teammate in 1990 and 1995 while LeBron won with no all stars in 2016?

This

[LostCause]

This

What about 1991, 1998 and 2009, 2011, 2014 and 2017?

[TheCorporation]

What about 1991, 1998 and 2009, 2011, 2014 and 2017?

And 1990 and 1995

And 2016?

[LostCause]

And 1990 and 1995

And 2016?
This response just shows how dumb the argument is

Both players won and lost with "all-star teammates" just as they both won and lost without "all-star teammates"

It's a point that goes nowhere, just repeated back/forth. Though since that seems to be you guys' M.O. , the only response you'll understand is:

What about 1991, 1998 and 2005, 2009, 2011, 2014 and 2017?

[Smoke117]

He'd also never want to have anything to do with you.

[3ball]

Lebron - 28/8/7 produced 66 wins in 09'

Jordan - 33/8/8 produced 47 wins in 89'

Jordan - 35/6/6 produced 50 wins in 88' (+ dpoy).

The only explanation for Lebron's inferior production yielding 19 and 16 more wins is a better cast that is making up for Lebron's deficit to Jordan.. :milton

The accolades tell the story:



87-91' BULLS:. 1-time all-star pippen (90'), 1-time all-defense pippen (91'), Cartwright all-star in 79'

05-10' CAVS:. 2-time all-star Zydrunas + defensive 1st teamer Hughes + all-star Mo Will + 2-time all-star Jamison + all-defensive varejao + 09' all-star mvp Shaq


Hence lebron winning more by doing less.. :confusedshrug:


:eek: :eek:

[Uncle Drew]

Get his father killed
This.

[NBAGOAT]

:eek: :eek:

jordan's 30/6/4 in 97 produced 68 wins.

Harden's 36/7/7.5 produced 53 wins

The only explanation for Jordan's inferior production yielding 15 more wins is a better cast that is making up for Jordan's deficit to Harden.

The accolades tell the story:

96-98 Bulls: 3 time all-nba, 3 time all-defensive 1st team, 2 time all-star Pippen. 1 time all-defensive 1st team rodman. 6moy toni kukoc.

17-19 Rockets: 6moy eric gordon. 1 time all-defensive first team patrick beverly. FG percentage leader clint capela.

Hence Jordan winning more by doing less.

You should see now how ridiculous your argument is. You cant take box score numbers at face value as impact. You cant cite stats from only one year and then compare 5 years worth of team help. Accolades can be easily manipulated as you and I just did. Lol at citing Hughes' and Jamison's accomplishments with other teams and acting like his 30 games with the cavs was anything significant.

[TheCorporation]

Win only 6 chips when 11 is the goat standard


Ask the commissioner to create a new type of foul to be called on his opponents.


Get his father killed


Leave a 57-win team who goes on to win 55 without him :lol

+2 :bowdown:


Quit the league in his prime.


https://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyvq47DWd81rn95k2o1_500.gif

I will add another

49th and 47th ranked of 50 in FG% among FMVP winners


Quit on his team and teammates

Jump ship is okay for some of you guys, but jump ship 2 times, 3 times is totally not acceptable

Only average 4 rebounds and 2 assists while getting bailed out by Rodman

Lose 9 of his first 10 playoff games
https://i.postimg.cc/PJw2h6g9/ezgif-com-gif-maker.gif

[3ball]

jordan's 30/6/4 in 97 produced 68 wins.

Harden's 36/7/7.5 produced 53 wins

The only explanation for Jordan's inferior production yielding 15 more wins is a better cast that is making up for Jordan's deficit to Harden.

The accolades tell the story:

96-98 Bulls: 3 time all-nba, 3 time all-defensive 1st team, 2 time all-star Pippen. 1 time all-defensive 1st team rodman. 6moy toni kukoc.

17-19 Rockets: 6moy eric gordon. 1 time all-defensive first team patrick beverly. FG percentage leader clint capela.

Hence Jordan winning more by doing less.

You should see now how ridiculous your argument is. You cant take box score numbers at face value as impact. You cant cite stats from only one year and then compare 5 years worth of team help. Accolades can be easily manipulated as you and I just did. Lol at citing Hughes' and Jamison's accomplishments with other teams and acting like his 30 games with the cavs was anything significant.
My analysis makes no adjustment for teamwork because I assumed MJ's teamwork in 89' was better than Lebron's in 09'

I based this assumption on the fact that lower seeds/inferior teams need better teamwork to beat better teams - and MJ beat higher seeds/better teams in every round, while lebron lost to lower seeds/worse teams (Dwight).. So mj's brand and teamwork thrived at the higher comp level, while lebron's was exposed

But yeah, the gap in teamwork is why hundreds of more talented teams won less games than the 90's bulls, like the cp3/harden rockets

Hope that helps

[Smoke117]

OP reminds me of those crazy obsessed Elvis fans who think they are love childs of him. Is that you OP? Is that why you are so deranged in your obsession? Do you believe you are one of MJ's love children?

[TheCorporation]

OP reminds me of those crazy obsessed Elvis fans who think they are love childs of him. Is that you OP? Is that are you so deranged in your obsession? Do you believe you are one of his love children?

:roll: :roll:

[3ball]

OP reminds me of those crazy obsessed Elvis fans who think they are love childs of him. Is that you OP? Is that are you so deranged in your obsession? Do you believe you are one of his love children?
Ur just mad because you stanned a non-goat

and don't even THINK about saying lebron isn't your favorite player

All of your posts defend him and you throw tantrums or whine like a bitch when others speak down on him

You guys are transparent

[TheCorporation]

Ur just mad because you stanned a non-goat

and don't even THINK about saying lebron isn't your favorite player

All of your posts defend him and you throw tantrums or whine like a bitch when others speak down on him

You guys are transparent

So then is that a yes, you think you are Jordan's love-child? :lol

[3ball]

My analysis makes no adjustment for teamwork because I assumed MJ's teamwork in 89' was better than Lebron's in 09'

I based this assumption on the fact that lower seeds/inferior teams need better teamwork to beat better teams - and MJ beat higher seeds in every round, while lebron lost to lower seeds/worse teams (Dwight).. So mj's brand and teamwork thrived at the higher comp level, while lebron's was exposed

But yeah, the gap in teamwork is why hundreds of more talented teams won less games than the 90's bulls, like the cp3/harden rockets


Hope that helped Corpration
.

[Smoke117]

Ur just mad because you stanned a non-goat

and don't even THINK about saying lebron isn't your favorite player

All of your posts defend him and you throw tantrums or whine like a bitch when others speak down on him

You guys are transparent

If you actually believe LeBron is my favorite player there is nothing else to say as you are beyond any type of reasonable conversation. I've made it pretty clear that LeBron bores me and I want both his stans and haters to shut up about him. This will be the last time I ever respond to you or make a post in one of your threads.

[TheCorporation]

Hope that helped Corpration
.

He beat trash cans...We all know this, thanks though.

[eliteballer]

2011 - have a goat choke

2007 - get Larry Hughes numbers in the Finals

2010 - "94 Pippen" it in the 2nd Round

2013 - get successfully exploited for a broke jumpshot (16 on 39% thru 3 games; 23 on 43 thru 6; net negative for series)

2014 - fail to 3-peat; let some kid have a coming out party on him; get taught a ball movement lesson by old dudes; lose by more than anyone else ever has

2005 - miss the playoffs with the East all-star center on his team

2019 - butcher LA

2011-2018 - be so dependant on one kind of teammate (shooters), that he cedes the best brand of ball, the best offenses and best teams to other franchises (spurs/warriors/mavs, 3/9)

https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/whoo.png

[Koresh]

have insecure fans that continue to defend his legacy. If he's the GOAT, there is no debate.

You don't need to defend him constantly. That's the definition of insecurity. The NBA was here before Jordan and will be here long after he is gone, meaning when he dies. A player or players are going to surpass other players. Records are made to be broken. Kareem is not going to be the all-time leading scorer forever. Someone else is going to win more than 11 rings. Someone is going to score 101 points. It's going to happen in due time.

P.S. There's no such thing as the greatest of all-time. It's subjective. It's not a fact or an absolute. It's all based on your opinion, so at the end of the day none of this shit matters. Go get laid.

[SouBeachTalents]

have insecure fans that continue to defend his legacy. If he's the GOAT, there is no debate.

You don't need to defend him constantly. That's the definition of insecurity. The NBA was here before Jordan and will be here long after he is gone, meaning when he dies. A player or players are going to surpass other players. Records are made to be broken. Kareem is not going to be the all-time leading scorer forever. Someone else is going to win more than 11 rings. Someone is going to score 101 points. It's going to happen in due time.

P.S. There's no such thing as the greatest of all-time. It's subjective. It's not a fact or an absolute. It's all based on your opinion, so at the end of the day none of this shit matters. Go get laid.
No chance in hell :oldlol:

[pauk]

2011 - have a goat choke
Jordan would not defer to a hot Bird/Kareem-Magic (thats what you people compared Wade/Bosh to, so) for a 2-3 games in their first season and Finals series together? Seems like a selfish guy.



2007 - get Larry Hughes numbers in the Finals

What did Jordan do at 21? He was busy getting murdered early or missing playoffs.... he would first of all have to get to Finals at the age of 21 with the worst supporting cast/team in NBA Finals history for anything to happen....



2010 - "94 Pippen" it in the 2nd Round

Jordan would go further with that team or something? :oldlol:



2013 - get successfully exploited for a broke jumpshot (16 on 39% thru 3 games; 23 on 43 thru 6; net negative for series)

Thats it? Couldnt find anything better to that perfect playoff run? A playoff run and championship in context far greater than any of Jordans considering circumstances / competition.



2014 - fail to 3-peat; let some kid have a coming out party on him; get taught a ball movement lesson by old dudes; lose by more than anyone else ever has

Jordan would fail to 3-peat or 2-peat or 1 peat or any peat with the teams Lebron had....

Lebron however what he would do with JORDANS CAST.... is a much better question....




2005 - miss the playoffs with the East all-star center on his team

Yea nah lets go 1-9 instead....



2019 - butcher LA

Now you are reaching.... whats next, 2006-2018 started receding hairline?

What did Jordan do in his 17th season? Fishing....


2011-2018 - be so dependant on one kind of teammate (shooters), that he cedes the best brand of ball, the best offenses and best teams to other franchises (spurs/warriors/mavs, 3/9)

Right, thats exactly what happened... nice way of trying to turn his impact to the opposite, a single bad Lebron game was a blowout loss for Cavs / Miami, soon as he joined they went to Finals, soon as he left they became a lottery team, went/left Cavs/Miami over and over, same result, funny.... couldnt say the same about Jordan, no evidence, Lebron however has the most evidence of his impact in NBA history maybe based on whatever he had to work with, from scrubs to 2 all-star teammates he exploited whatever he had to work with around him BY PLAYING THE GAME THE RIGHT WAY.... where as Jordan went 1-9, got scrutinized for being extremly selfish and then immediately had the most stacked team in NBA history for 100 years... different road, a much easier road....


I think Jordan is the GOAT (based on his accolade count, whatever), but if Jordan and Lebron got 15 seasons with two IDENTICAL CLONE TEAMS and CLONE OPPONENTS.... that is where we would accurately see who was greater........ are you really sure Jordan would win more?

[TheCorporation]

Jordan would not defer to a hot Bird/Kareem-Magic (thats what you people compared Wade/Bosh to, so) for a 2-3 games in their first season and Finals series together? Seems like a selfish guy.



What did Jordan do at 21? He was busy getting murdered early or missing playoffs.... he would first of all have to get to Finals at the age of 21 with the worst supporting cast/team in NBA Finals history for anything to happen....



Jordan would go further with that team or something? :oldlol:



Thats it? Couldnt find anything better to that perfect playoff run? A playoff run and championship in context far greater than any of Jordans considering circumstances / competition.



Jordan would fail to 3-peat or 2-peat or 1 peat or any peat with the teams Lebron had....

Lebron however what he would do with JORDANS CAST.... is a much better question....




Yea nah lets go 1-9 instead....



Now you are reaching.... whats next, 2006-2018 started receding hairline?

What did Jordan do in his 17th season? Fishing....



Right, thats exactly what happened... nice way of trying to turn his impact to the opposite, a single bad Lebron game was a blowout loss for Cavs / Miami, soon as he joined they went to Finals, soon as he left they became a lottery team, went/left Cavs/Miami over and over, same result, funny.... couldnt say the same about Jordan, no evidence, Lebron however has the most evidence of his impact in NBA history maybe based on whatever he had to work with, from scrubs to 2 all-star teammates he exploited whatever he had to work with around him BY PLAYING THE GAME THE RIGHT WAY.... where as Jordan went 1-9, got scrutinized for being extremly selfish and then immediately had the most stacked team in NBA history for 100 years... different road, a much easier road....


I think Jordan is the GOAT (based on his accolade count, whatever), but if Jordan and Lebron got 15 seasons with two IDENTICAL CLONE TEAMS and CLONE OPPONENTS.... are you really sure Jordan would win more? Honestly?

Pauk Bomb

KaBoom :applause:

Boom

We stay winning

[StrongLurk]

3Ball's trolling so much lessens his arguments.

There are very easy reasons to explain how Lebron ISNT GOAT.

All you have to do is look at the 2011 finals. The actual GOAT in Basketball would never perform that way.

While I find the 2011 Heat to be the worst version of the Heatles, that is no excuse for Lebron himself playing that way.

[SouBeachTalents]

3Ball's trolling so much lessens his arguments.

There are very easy reasons to explain how Lebron ISNT GOAT.

All you have to do is look at the 2011 finals. The actual GOAT in Basketball would never perform that way.

While I find the 2011 Heat to be the worst version of the Heatles, that is no excuse for Lebron himself playing that way.
:biggums: That's one of the dumbest things I've ever read. I never thought the Heat looked more dangerous in the playoffs than they did in 2011. Beat the defending East champion Celtics in 5, beat the MVP Rose Bulls in 5, and if not for LeBron's inexplicable disappearance, would've beaten the Mavs in 4-5 games too.

I mean 2011 being worse than 2014? FOH :oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

:biggums: That's one of the dumbest things I've ever read. I never thought the Heat looked more dangerous in the playoffs than they did in 2011. Beat the defending East champion Celtics in 5, beat the MVP Rose Bulls in 5, and if not for LeBron's inexplicable disappearance, would've beaten the Mavs in 4-5 games too.

I mean 2011 being worse than 2014? FOH :oldlol:

That's a good point, Wade was able to contribute a lot in 2011 whereas in 2014 it was a lot tougher for them and they were on their fourth consecutive finals run.

[Koresh]

No chance in hell :oldlol:

Lol. You never know. Who thought a team would ever comeback from a 3-1 deficit in the freaking NBA Finals? That has never been done before in the history of the league and it happened 3 years ago. The same with averaging a triple double for a season that has only happened once in 50 years and that record has been broken 3 consecutive seasons.

[Phoenix]

While I find the 2011 Heat to be the worst version of the Heatles, that is no excuse for Lebron himself playing that way.

They were depth-wise the most challenged, but also featured the best versions of Wade and Bosh and were on their way to a title until.....

[TheCorporation]

They were depth-wise the most challenged, but also featured the best versions of Wade and Bosh and were on their way to a title until.....

King Dirk struck!

2011 Mavs beat Kobe in 4 (swept)! Durant + Russ in 5, and LBJ in 6 :eek:

[GimmeThat]

OP should go ahead and predict LeBron's stat line next year. Or just blowing smokes

[Phoenix]

King Dirk struck!

2011 Mavs beat Kobe in 4 (swept)! Durant + Russ in 5, and LBJ in 6 :eek:

How did Dirk manage to beat Miami that featured the two best players he'd face in that entire playoffs, while he himself played worse than he did in the western playoffs?

Don't believe me? Well let's examine....

WC 1st round - 27/8/3 58% TS
WC semis - 25/9/3 67% TS
WC finals - 32/6/3 70% TS
NBA finals - 26/10/2 54%


Ahhhh, so it had to have been Wade that fukked up right? Well let's see:

Wade finals stats: 27/7/5 61%TS

Nope, that can't be right. A bit more digging is required....

http://oi42.tinypic.com/2icbfnm.jpg


:eek:


https://media1.giphy.com/media/83QtfwKWdmSEo/giphy.gif

[TheCorporation]

Wow so you mean by 2011 LBJ already surpased Kobe? Nice :pimp:

The More You Know :banana:

[Phoenix]

Wow so you mean by 2011 LBJ already surpased Kobe? Nice :pimp:

The More You Know :banana:

2011 Lebron was a better player than 2011 Kobe, breaking news at 11.

Inbred c*nt. :rolleyes:

[ImKobe]

How did Dirk manage to beat Miami that featured the two best players he'd face in that entire playoffs, while he himself played worse than he did in the western playoffs?

Don't believe me? Well let's examine....

WC 1st round - 27/8/3 58% TS
WC semis - 25/9/3 67% TS
WC finals - 32/6/3 70% TS
NBA finals - 26/10/2 54%


Ahhhh, so it had to have been Wade that fukked up right? Well let's see:

Wade finals stats: 27/7/5 61%TS

Nope, that can't be right. A bit more digging is required....

http://oi42.tinypic.com/2icbfnm.jpg


:eek:


https://media1.giphy.com/media/83QtfwKWdmSEo/giphy.gif

https://media.tenor.com/images/f40c70a52dbf0e83b9d1da6a9eaf7f52/tenor.gif

[superduper]

How did Dirk manage to beat Miami that featured the two best players he'd face in that entire playoffs, while he himself played worse than he did in the western playoffs?

Don't believe me? Well let's examine....

WC 1st round - 27/8/3 58% TS
WC semis - 25/9/3 67% TS
WC finals - 32/6/3 70% TS
NBA finals - 26/10/2 54%


Ahhhh, so it had to have been Wade that fukked up right? Well let's see:

Wade finals stats: 27/7/5 61%TS

Nope, that can't be right. A bit more digging is required....

http://oi42.tinypic.com/2icbfnm.jpg


:eek:


https://media1.giphy.com/media/83QtfwKWdmSEo/giphy.gif

:lebronamazed: :lebroncry:

[StrongLurk]

:biggums: That's one of the dumbest things I've ever read. I never thought the Heat looked more dangerous in the playoffs than they did in 2011. Beat the defending East champion Celtics in 5, beat the MVP Rose Bulls in 5, and if not for LeBron's inexplicable disappearance, would've beaten the Mavs in 4-5 games too.

I mean 2011 being worse than 2014? FOH :oldlol:

Bro the Heat literally had three players surrounded by basically d-leaguers. Haslem and Mike Miller were injured for 90% of the year. True Wade was at his best form, but the Heat had no depth, no size/rebounding, and honestly not even good ball movement on offense. They got by through sheer talent alone which rarely EVER wins chips.

Bosh also played bad in the 2011 finals. As a "team" the 2011 Heat were definitely the worse version of the Heatles.

[SouBeachTalents]

Bro the Heat literally had three players surrounded by basically d-leaguers. Haslem and Mike Miller were injured for 90% of the year. True Wade was at his best form, but the Heat had no depth, no size/rebounding, and honestly not even good ball movement on offense. They got by through sheer talent alone which rarely EVER wins chips.

Bosh also played bad in the 2011 finals. As a "team" the 2011 Heat were definitely the worse version of the Heatles.
I don't disagree about the depth, outside of the Big 3 the roster was dreadful in 2011. And over the course of a regular season, obviously 2013 was the best version of them.

But in the playoffs, they never came close to looking as dominant as they did in 2011. 2012 is skewed due to Bosh missing half the playoffs, but they trailed against Indy & Boston, and needed arguably the best game of LeBron's career just to stave off elimination. 2013 they struggled immensely against a far inferior Pacer team, and needed a 1/100 occurrence just to beat the Spurs.

We can agree to disagree, but I don't think having better role players makes up for Wade becoming a shell of himself, which he truly was those last 2 playoff runs.

If you want to say 2012/2013 were better, I wouldn't agree but it'd be understandable to me. 2014 though, that's indefensible bro

[k0kakw0rld]

Gamble his father's life away.

[TheCorporation]

Gamble his father's life away.

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[TheCorporation]

OP reminds me of those crazy obsessed Elvis fans who think they are love childs of him. Is that you OP? Is that why you are so deranged in your obsession? Do you believe you are one of MJ's love children?


He'd also never want to have anything to do with you.


Win FMVP getting a lower GmScore than Sean Kemp.


Russell won rings against better competition. Couple that with the fact that he won the chip his last year and the following year the Celtics missed the playoffs. Goat impact


Win only 6 chips when 11 is the goat standard


Not even close, I'm talking about the time a superstar publicly cried about a team he couldn't beat.



:applause:



Ask the commissioner to create a new type of foul to be called on his opponents.


Cry to the league about the team he can't beat.


Get his father killed


Leave a 57-win team who goes on to win 55 without him :lol

+2 :bowdown:


Quit the league in his prime.




I will add another

49th and 47th ranked of 50 in FG% among FMVP winners


Quit on his team and teammates

Jump ship is okay for some of you guys, but jump ship 2 times, 3 times is totally not acceptable


Only average 4 rebounds and 2 assists while getting bailed out by Rodman


Lose 9 of his first 10 playoff games

This is legit 3ball before making this thread and after reading the comments:

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[3ball]

Quit the league in his prime.


After he was already goat





Win only 6 chips when 11 is the goat standard


6 rings is the goat standard for #1 options, and 11 rings is the goat standard for non #1 options (horry rings)

only MJ won 6 rings as the #1 option - no one else won more than 3 as the #1 option - so





Russell won the chip his last year and the following year the Celtics missed the playoffs. Goat impact


Other HOF teammates retired along with Russell - it wasn't just Russell.. :facepalm





Get his father killed


^^^ That isn't about his play on the court so who cares





publicly cried about a team he couldn't beat.


^^^ That isn't about his play on the court so who cares





Leave a 57-win team who goes on to win 55 without him


^^^^ That's an argument in his favor and makes him goat - it shows how much he built team chemistry and brand of ball

Organic rings are the only rings that are worth anything





Win FMVP getting a lower GmScore than Sean Kemp


Not worth responding to

that's one stat and MJ had the best stats overall - 10 ppg more than anyone in the series





49th and 47th ranked of 50 in FG% among FMVP winners


True shooting is the shooting efficiency standard and lebron won with worse true shooting than MJ ever did (52.9% in 13' Finals)





Lose 9 of his first 10 playoff games


You prefer he lost later in his career?

MJ lost less than anyone in modern playoff history (6 rings in 13 playoffs)

Magic, Bird, Lebron, and everyone went 1-9 more than MJ... and with higher seeds (not 8 seeds like MJ)





average 4 rebounds and 2 assists while getting bailed out by Rodman


Rodman averaged 4/8 in the 1998 Finals and didn't start - MJ carried him to the ring

[dazzer87]

How did Dirk manage to beat Miami that featured the two best players he'd face in that entire playoffs, while he himself played worse than he did in the western playoffs?

Don't believe me? Well let's examine....

WC 1st round - 27/8/3 58% TS
WC semis - 25/9/3 67% TS
WC finals - 32/6/3 70% TS
NBA finals - 26/10/2 54%


Ahhhh, so it had to have been Wade that fukked up right? Well let's see:

Wade finals stats: 27/7/5 61%TS

Nope, that can't be right. A bit more digging is required....

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:biggums: Those numbers from the 4th..........shit forgot how bad they were.........Ouch....:lol