Harden is a Selfish Player

[AngelEyes]

He plays for numbers and he plays for individual awards, and he's certainly not the only player who does this. It's so evident in his style of play though, he's the very definition of a chucker whoring for stats. That's partially the reason I don't think he deserves the MVP. The other top MVP candidate reminds me of Duncan in his unselfishness and his willingness to sacrifice numbers for the greater good.

[PeroAntic]

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[Smoke117]

OP mad as hell Harden is going to get the MVP over Giannis. :lol

[LoneyROY7]

So selfish, yet he wins. :oldlol: :oldlol:

You're mad as hell. We love it.

[Manny98]

He's going to run out of gas come playoff time like always

[Vragrant]

He plays for numbers and he plays for individual awards, and he's certainly not the only player who does this. It's so evident in his style of play though, he's the very definition of a chucker whoring for stats. That's partially the reason I don't think he deserves the MVP. The other top MVP candidate reminds me of Duncan in his unselfishness and his willingness to sacrifice numbers for the greater good.


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[AngelEyes]

He's going to run out of gas come playoff time like always

True. He's a regular season player, come playoff time he shrinks and isn't effective.

[Smoke117]

True. He's a regular season player, come playoff time he shrinks and isn't effective.

What has Giannis done in the playoffs again...?

[Rudeboy3]

OP mad as hell Harden is going to get the MVP over Giannis. :lol
How many players who played for teams under the 2 seed won the MVP? Harden isn't winning shit. op is right Harden plays 100% for stats you're an idiot if you think otherwise.

[Facepalm]

True. He's a regular season player, come playoff time he shrinks and isn't effective.
His Playoff stats are just slightly below his RS ones. When he does have a bad game they are pretty terrible though.

https://stats.nba.com/player/201935/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Playoffs

[AngelEyes]

What has Giannis done in the playoffs again...?

He hasn't had any team success for a litany of reasons (bad coaching, injuries, Bledsoe getting dominated by Rozier) but he's never humiliated himself like Harden has consistently in the past.

[SpaceJam2]

50-10-11 is still pretty crazy tho :eek:


Giannis is still my MVP though!

[AngelEyes]

50-10-11 is still pretty crazy tho :eek:


Giannis is still my MVP though!

It's a crazy statline but then you find out he went 13 for 31 from the floor and 7 for 23 from 3.

[ElPigto]

Everybody is just angry that Harden actually wins putting spectacular stats on the board.

[ElPigto]

It's a crazy statline but then you find out he went 13 for 31 from the floor and 7 for 23 from 3.

He's had other spectacular games shooting much better from the floor but people still hate. At the end, this resulted in a win.

I hope everybody keeps finding reasons to hate. I can't wait till he is lifting up the NBA Championship. People will be fuming.

[Smook A.]

It's a crazy statline but then you find out he went 13 for 31 from the floor and 7 for 23 from 3.
Yeah and Rockets got the win tonight, which is the most important thing. Houston's bench scored a WHOPPING 3 POINTS. Just because Harden is putting up big numbers, doesn't mean he's selfish. In fact, Rockets have a better win percentage when he scores 40 or more and it's not like he doesn't pass the ball whenever he scores big. He's top 5 in total assists this year.

[Marchesk]

The Rockets are going to win 50+ games. There have been similar statistically dominant seasons to Harden where the player's team won less games (Kobe, Jordan, Kareem, Archibald, McAdoo, Wilt).

[StrongLurk]

There will never be a volume three point shooter like Harden who also leads the league in free throw shooting...and is also elite at free throws.

Seriously, Harden is breaking every conventional mold of volume 3 point shooters.

Harden tied the record for most missed 3's in a game...yet still made 7 3's, went to the free throw line 18 times, and scored 50 points...that shit should be impossible.

[Smook A.]

The Rockets are going to win 50+ games. There have been similar statistically dominant seasons to Harden where the player's team won less games (Kobe, Jordan, Kareem, Archibald, McAdoo, Wilt).
Exactly. Rockets will likely finish with 52-53 wins for the season. No one could have expected that after they started 11-14. Not even me tbh. The team bounced back because of Harden stepping up.

He's averaged 40/7/7/2 for the LAST 52 GAMES

Morons here wanna call him selfish and say he only plays for stats. Give me a ****ing break

[Rudeboy3]

It's a crazy statline but then you find out he went 13 for 31 from the floor and 7 for 23 from 3.
There's nothing impressive about his scoring outputs, he's a volume scorer that chucks up loads of shots and shoots a disproportionate amount of fts

[ElPigto]

There's nothing impressive about his scoring outputs, he's a volume scorer that chucks up loads of shots and shoots a disproportionate amount of fts

And wins lol. His record against the best teams in the NBA is also elite. You always hating on Harden, but facts are facts. Go ahead, bring up the same ole playoff argument to discredit the insanity of what he has done this season.

[Smook A.]

There's nothing impressive about his scoring outputs, he's a volume scorer that chucks up loads of shots and shoots a disproportionate amount of fts
What the **** are you talking about? :oldlol: Giannis shoots 1.8 FTA less than Harden does this season. Don't even act like that's a big difference. Embiid shoots 0.9 less than Harden.

Didn't Giannis shoot 21 free throws in his 52 point game?

"B-b-b-but efficiency tho!" Harden's TS% is 3% less than Giannis'. One's a guard who takes more threes than twos, and the other guy dunks a lot. Again, not taking anything away from Giannis because he's an amazing player but don't sit here and act like Harden's scoring this season isn't impressive. What the hell do you want him to do, put up Wilt numbers? Dude's averaging 36.4 ppg and averaging the most points per possession in the history of the NBA AND it's translating into wins. **** outta here

[Rudeboy3]

What the **** are you talking about? :oldlol: Giannis shoots 1.8 FTA less than Harden does this season. Don't even act like that's a big difference. Embiid shoots 0.9 less than Harden.

Didn't Giannis shoot 21 free throws in his 52 point game?

"B-b-b-but efficiency tho!" Harden's TS% is 3% less than Giannis'. One's a guard who takes more threes than twos, and the other guy dunks a lot. Again, not taking anything away from Giannis because he's an amazing player but don't sit here and act like Harden's scoring this season isn't impressive. What the hell do you want him to do, put up Wilt numbers? Dude's averaging 36.4 ppg and averaging the most points per possession in the history of the NBA AND it's translating into wins. **** outta here
Are you seriously comparing Giannis (a frontcourt player) fts to a perimeter player in harden? You're an idiot, drink bleach

[Rudeboy3]

And wins lol. His record against the best teams in the NBA is also elite. You always hating on Harden, but facts are facts. Go ahead, bring up the same ole playoff argument to discredit the insanity of what he has done this season.
Foh, they won because of Capella and cp3, they won in spite of harden chucking up shots

[ElPigto]

Foh, they won because of Capella and cp3, they won in spite of harden chucking up shots

Look at you, pathetic beyond belief. Harden was winning games without those two earlier this season. Go ahead you pathetic piece of shit, keep on hating because you don

[elementally morale]

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Long time no see.

:cheers:

[ElPigto]

Long time no see.

:cheers:

:cheers:

Here I am so many years surfing these boards even with the infestation of a bunch of young kids. Good to see you are still around.

[elementally morale]

Good to see you are still around.

Most of the time in safe mode only (with networking).

[Mr.GOAT2408]

It's a crazy statline but then you find out he went 13 for 31 from the floor and 7 for 23 from 3.
He's got the strangest statlines

When you dig deep you see all these 12-32 where he goes like 7-24 on 3s and 5-8 on 2s (either it's a layup or floater, he avoids the midrange like the plague) with like 7+ turnovers. And of course a ton of free throws despite ridiculous amount of 3s that literally no one else fouled on. If he goes say 14/14 from the line that's basically 45 points on 39 shots, pretty efficient even in today's pace and space NBA. That's not an actual statline he's produced (afaik) but he's had several of those games

But when you factor all the turnovers + the lack of ball movement I never thought his offense was as impactful as it looks. Looking at the above that's 20 wasted posessions + roughly 8-12 points given up off turnovers. Factor an average at best defense (that's being generous tbh) and his impact in't as high as ts% or his apg would imply. One plus though is putting other teams in foul trouble, there's that

apg is such an overrated stat too, assist hunting isn't as useful as it looks. Ball movement makes the Warriors so dangerous, same for pretty much every dynasty and mini-dynasty that's existed

[kurple]

So selfish, yet he wins. :oldlol: :oldlol:

You're mad as hell. We love it.
Maybe they would win more if he played more like Jokic?

[LoneyROY7]

Maybe they would win more if he played more like Jokic?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Yeah, I'm sure if Harden averaged 16 less ppg the Rockets would win more.

Anytime Harden plays against Jokic, he absolutely destroy him. I think Jokic is 1-9 against Harden in his career. :lol :lol

Yeah, definitely who harden should play more like, amirirte?

[Smoke117]

lmfao...Haren chucked up 31 shots tonight...23 of which were 3pters. Is this really what the sport I love has devolved into? Jesus fukking christ. :biggums: :facepalm

[Smoke117]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Yeah, I'm sure if Harden averaged 16 less ppg the Rockets would win more.

Anytime Harden plays against Jokic, he absolutely destroy him. I think Jokic is 1-9 against Harden in his career. :lol :lol

Yeah, definitely who harden should play more like, amirirte?

And here's loney! To deepthroat that **** as usual! Have some self respect man. You fukking queer.

[LoneyROY7]

And here's loney! To deepthroat that **** as usual! Have some self respect man. You fukking queer.

I have a good feeling about Chris this playoffs. Gonna be great seeing CP get his 1st ring this year. :cheers: :cheers:

[Smoke117]

I have a good feeling about Chris this playoffs. Gonna be great seeing CP get his 1st ring this year. :cheers: :cheers:

Chris Paul could play like it's 2008 and the Rockets would have zero chance with a shit bird like Haren commanding the ship. Is he even going to shoot over 30% this playoffs while he chucks up 12 step back 3pters a game?

[Rudeboy3]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Yeah, I'm sure if Harden averaged 16 less ppg the Rockets would win more.

Anytime Harden plays against Jokic, he absolutely destroy him. I think Jokic is 1-9 against Harden in his career. :lol :lol

Yeah, definitely who harden should play more like, amirirte?
Jesus, you just can't help yourself, can you? Always have to pop up out of nowhere to suck Harden dry, fakkit

[PeroAntic]

He's got the strangest statlines

When you dig deep you see all these 12-32 where he goes like 7-24 on 3s and 5-8 on 2s (either it's a layup or floater, he avoids the midrange like the plague) with like 7+ turnovers. And of course a ton of free throws despite ridiculous amount of 3s that literally no one else fouled on. If he goes say 14/14 from the line that's basically 45 points on 39 shots, pretty efficient even in today's pace and space NBA. That's not an actual statline he's produced (afaik) but he's had several of those games

But when you factor all the turnovers + the lack of ball movement I never thought his offense was as impactful as it looks. Looking at the above that's 20 wasted posessions + roughly 8-12 points given up off turnovers. Factor an average at best defense (that's being generous tbh) and his impact in't as high as ts% or his apg would imply. One plus though is putting other teams in foul trouble, there's that

apg is such an overrated stat too, assist hunting isn't as useful as it looks. Ball movement makes the Warriors so dangerous, same for pretty much every dynasty and mini-dynasty that's existed
Excellent post:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[NBAGOAT]

31 shots is a lot unless you score 50 lol. He may play selfishly but it's asinine to think someone who's going lead his team to 50+wins easily when they've been really hurt by injuries and have poor depth isnt carrying his team at an mvp level.

So many guards get so much credit for just carrying teams to the playoffs. Harden is going carry the rockets to like a 3 seed and 50-55 wins. 38-14 in the last 52 while harden's been averaging 40/7/7. I'm a huge Paul fan but he's starting to show his age, he's not an all star level player even this year and missed like 17 games of that stretch. Capela is very good but he's still just a rim finishing center and also missed like 15 games. Gordon has recovered from a terrible start but he's still had a down year compared to his career year last year.

They dont have the depth they had last year, really tucker is the only other main minutes guy. Morey had to get creative during the season with pickups like faried, rivers, and shumphert who were disregarded by other teams.

[NBAGOAT]

He's got the strangest statlines

When you dig deep you see all these 12-32 where he goes like 7-24 on 3s and 5-8 on 2s (either it's a layup or floater, he avoids the midrange like the plague) with like 7+ turnovers. And of course a ton of free throws despite ridiculous amount of 3s that literally no one else fouled on. If he goes say 14/14 from the line that's basically 45 points on 39 shots, pretty efficient even in today's pace and space NBA. That's not an actual statline he's produced (afaik) but he's had several of those games

But when you factor all the turnovers + the lack of ball movement I never thought his offense was as impactful as it looks. Looking at the above that's 20 wasted posessions + roughly 8-12 points given up off turnovers. Factor an average at best defense (that's being generous tbh) and his impact in't as high as ts% or his apg would imply. One plus though is putting other teams in foul trouble, there's that

apg is such an overrated stat too, assist hunting isn't as useful as it looks. Ball movement makes the Warriors so dangerous, same for pretty much every dynasty and mini-dynasty that's existed

you have a point except the Rockets are 2nd behind the warriors in offensive efficiency. They arent a great team because their defense is below average again(and why wouldnt it be with capela missing time, paul missing time/regressing, and ariza and luc gone). At least during the rs, harden is having a great impact on the offense.

Assists for some guys arent very impactful(i'm looking at you rondo). How much are you helping your team when you pass to a scorer like klay who does all the work getting open off a screen. Harden's assists are usually not that at all, he's creating open looks drawing defensive attention. Mostly capela finishes and open 3's from role players.

His assists are even more valuable when you consider he likely has one of the higher proportions in the league of assists leading to 3's. like 10 assists leading to 28 points is going be more valuable than 10 leading to 22. Ofc this doesnt account for passes that lead to a missed shot but that's a different issue(and more complicated by passes leading to free throws). hou's great ortg means they're scoring well however.

[LoneyROY7]

Chris Paul could play like it's 2008 and the Rockets would have zero chance with a shit bird like Haren commanding the ship. Is he even going to shoot over 30% this playoffs while he chucks up 12 step back 3pters a game?

Smokey, just take a sip and try to take in some good vibrations for once. :cheers:

[Mr Feeny]

He's got the strangest statlines

When you dig deep you see all these 12-32 where he goes like 7-24 on 3s and 5-8 on 2s (either it's a layup or floater, he avoids the midrange like the plague) with like 7+ turnovers. And of course a ton of free throws despite ridiculous amount of 3s that literally no one else fouled on. If he goes say 14/14 from the line that's basically 45 points on 39 shots, pretty efficient even in today's pace and space NBA. That's not an actual statline he's produced (afaik) but he's had several of those games

But when you factor all the turnovers + the lack of ball movement I never thought his offense was as impactful as it looks. Looking at the above that's 20 wasted posessions + roughly 8-12 points given up off turnovers. Factor an average at best defense (that's being generous tbh) and his impact in't as high as ts% or his apg would imply. One plus though is putting other teams in foul trouble, there's that

apg is such an overrated stat too, assist hunting isn't as useful as it looks. Ball movement makes the Warriors so dangerous, same for pretty much every dynasty and mini-dynasty that's existed

I agree. He is technically efficient if you look at efg% and especially ts% because so many of his points come from the freethrow line where he is an excellent shooter (88%) but turnovers don't get factor into that and he's usually at the top of the list when it comes to turning the ball over.

[Manny98]

If Harden played a team brand of basketball instead of his hero isoball antics he'd have a ring by now

[Manny98]

Jesus, you just can't help yourself, can you? Always have to pop up out of nowhere to suck Harden dry, fakkit
:lol