Imagine a league where Harden is the best player.....

[egokiller]

It's because of the current rule set, however MJ in this soft ass league of no hand checking and no defense being allowed to be played would be 45/8/9.

Harden playing when MJ played is a 18ppg player. Just further evidence that MJ's rings back then are worth 9 rings in today's game. :applause:

[Manny98]

He's not even top 5 come playoff time

[Smook A.]

It's because of the current rule set, however MJ in this soft ass league of no hand checking and no defense being allowed to be played would be 45/8/9.

Harden playing when MJ played is a 18ppg player. Just further evidence that MJ's rings back then are worth 9 rings in today's game. :applause:
That's a stupid statement. Defenses were tougher back then for sure, but Harden would adapt to it. You don't think he knows about how soft the rules are today? He uses them to his advantage. Im sure if he played in the 80s and 90s, he'd still find a way to draw fouls. Hell, Jordan was averaging more FTA in '87 than Harden is averaging right now.

Harden's a really strong guard too, and since the league back then wasn't heavy at all with 3 pointers, he'd be driving to the paint more. He's a pretty good finisher around the rim. Not only that, but when he can shoot from mid-range too. Rarely does it though, since the Rockets are all about 3's and points inside the paint area.

At the end of the day, Harden is a very skilled player and a hard worker because of his love for the game. No way would he just be averaging 18 ppg in Jordan's era. Not 36 ppg either. Probably around 24-28 ppg. We'll never find out, though. Just appreciate what he's doing right now. He's putting up historic numbers and they're translating into wins. Wins are the most important thing.

[And1AllDay]

Yeah Mike played in the legal zone defense era he splashed around on some ballin 20/5/4 on 42%

GOAT :bowdown:
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[StrongLurk]

How would MJ score 45 a game when he didn't shoot threes?

Are you saying MJ would be shooting at least 30 times a game?

[G0ATbe]

If Demar Derozan were averaging anything near 45/8/9 you might have a point.

[Sportal]

Harden vs SG defenders between 6' and 6'3???

Lol.

[egokiller]

How would MJ score 45 a game when he didn't shoot threes?

Are you saying MJ would be shooting at least 30 times a game?

The statement is based on MJ coming into the league when Harden did. He'd be able to shoot 3's no problem. Any aspect of his game he wanted to improve, he did. The only ones he didn't improve are the ones where he saw no value in spending time on. Instead, he spent that time on improving other skills. We are talking about a guy who wasted no energy making the wrong move on the court, just like he wasted no time working on things in his training that didn't fully benefit him.

[egokiller]

That's a stupid statement. Defenses were tougher back then for sure, but Harden would adapt to it. You don't think he knows about how soft the rules are today? He uses them to his advantage. Im sure if he played in the 80s and 90s, he'd still find a way to draw fouls. Hell, Jordan was averaging more FTA in '87 than Harden is averaging right now.

Harden's a really strong guard too, and since the league back then wasn't heavy at all with 3 pointers, he'd be driving to the paint more. He's a pretty good finisher around the rim. Not only that, but when he can shoot from mid-range too. Rarely does it though, since the Rockets are all about 3's and points inside the paint area.

At the end of the day, Harden is a very skilled player and a hard worker because of his love for the game. No way would he just be averaging 18 ppg in Jordan's era. Not 36 ppg either. Probably around 24-28 ppg. We'll never find out, though. Just appreciate what he's doing right now. He's putting up historic numbers and they're translating into wins. Wins are the most important thing.

No, the only thing he is good at is capitalizing on this current shitty rule set. Most players have too much self respect to flop all around and exploit the rules. He'd be an 18 ppg scorer when MJ played.

Anyone who's watched both eras will tell you the same thing.

[FKAri]

No, the only thing he is good at is capitalizing on this current shitty rule set. Most players have too much self respect to flop all around and exploit the rules. He'd be an 18 ppg scorer when MJ played.

Anyone who's watched both eras will tell you the same thing.
I've been watching since the 80's. Harden would definitely put up more than 18ppg if he was on a team built around him.

[ElPigto]

No, the only thing he is good at is capitalizing on this current shitty rule set. Most players have too much self respect to flop all around and exploit the rules. He'd be an 18 ppg scorer when MJ played.

Anyone who's watched both eras will tell you the same thing.

Yet we have floppers all over the league trying to draw fouls while playing defense. You have Durant's rip through move. You have Giannis and LeBron putting their shoulders down and charging at defenders.

You are pathetic. Players will do what will give them an advantage. You think the Warriors had any self respect setting moving screens over and over so Steph and Klay could get wide open looks. You think they were so embarrassed of themselves while hugging their championship trophies?

What about Kawhi constantly moving that pivot foot while posting up? You think he has self respect that he will stop doing it?? Lol.

You haters suck at hating. At least come up with better reasons.

[SpaceJam2]

It's because of the current rule set, however MJ in this soft ass league of no hand checking and no defense being allowed to be played would be 45/8/9.

Harden playing when MJ played is a 18ppg player. Just further evidence that MJ's rings back then are worth 9 rings in today's game. :applause:

https://i.postimg.cc/GpJ55DyS/InthideHoopth.png

[egokiller]

Yet we have floppers all over the league trying to draw fouls while playing defense. You have Durant's rip through move. You have Giannis and LeBron putting their shoulders down and charging at defenders.

You are pathetic. Players will do what will give them an advantage. You think the Warriors had any self respect setting moving screens over and over so Steph and Klay could get wide open looks. You think they were so embarrassed of themselves while hugging their championship trophies?

What about Kawhi constantly moving that pivot foot while posting up? You think he has self respect that he will stop doing it?? Lol.

You haters suck at hating. At least come up with better reasons.

Someone is upset that Harden is being called out for what he is. :lol Nice shit posting. You actually think certain players don't have the ability to flop as much as Harden does? :roll:

[egokiller]

I've been watching since the 80's. Harden would definitely put up more than 18ppg if he was on a team built around him.

Sure you have. This alt was already confirmed Simon. Try again. :roll:

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[elementally morale]

Great players would find a way to be very good in any era.

I really dislike watching Harden play, but he is very good. Sure, he wouldn't put up this many points in 2004 or 1988. But he would be a top 10 player regardless of rules and playing style. Maybe even top 5.

As for the Jordan comments... yeah. MJ would learn to shoot threes a lot sooner and he would shoot them at a 36-38% clip if he were to play today. And yeah, centers from the 60s would be great centers today. Different game? Sure. They would adjust.

Evolution is a slow process.

[SpaceJam2]

Sure you have. This alt was already confirmed Simon. Try again. :roll:

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Make sure to make a new one and add me too :cheers:

Winners list :pimp:

[ElPigto]

Someone is upset that Harden is being called out for what he is. :lol Nice shit posting. You actually think certain players don't have the ability to flop as much as Harden does? :roll:

Harden is dominating the league. Whether you like his style or not, he is dominating. What a ****ing coincidence that he has a ton of haters yet he is doing well. Don't you guys claim that the league is trying to protect players like him? You know, manufacturing stars? Why would the league pick someone so hated by a ton of people lol. Harden is a skilled scorer that's been killing it for years. His defense is even up to par these last two years, so you guys are having a hard time finding a good reason to hate.

[egokiller]

Harden is dominating the league. Whether you like his style or not, he is dominating. What a ****ing coincidence that he has a ton of haters yet he is doing well. Don't you guys claim that the league is trying to protect players like him? You know, manufacturing stars? Why would the league pick someone so hated by a ton of people lol. Harden is a skilled scorer that's been killing it for years. His defense is even up to par these last two years, so you guys are having a hard time finding a good reason to hate.

You should look to former Rockets players that didn't make a mockery of the game via flop fest. Players like Tmac and Yao come to mind. :applause:

[Smook A.]

You should look to former Rockets players that didn't make a mockery of the game via flop fest. Players like Tmac and Yao come to mind. :applause:
Neither of them are better than Harden :confusedshrug:

[egokiller]

Great players would find a way to be very good in any era.

I really dislike watching Harden play, but he is very good. Sure, he wouldn't put up this many points in 2004 or 1988. But he would be a top 10 player regardless of rules and playing style. Maybe even top 5.

As for the Jordan comments... yeah. MJ would learn to shoot threes a lot sooner and he would shoot them at a 36-38% clip if he were to play today. And yeah, centers from the 60s would be great centers today. Different game? Sure. They would adjust.

Evolution is a slow process.

He only appears as good because he's exploiting a rule set that many others refuse to exploit due to integrity. That's why he is shit in the playoffs. League clamps down on his bullshit that they let him pull in the reg season.

[Sportal]

He only appears as good because he's exploiting a rule set that many others refuse to exploit due to integrity. That's why he is shit in the playoffs. League clamps down on his bullshit that they let him pull in the reg season.

Who in Jordan's era has a better handle than Harden? Who is defending Harden again in that era?????

[egokiller]

Who in Jordan's era has a better handle than Harden? Who is defending Harden again in that era?????

A better handle? :oldlol:

You really think that if Harden is in the league at the same time as MJ he suddenly has 2019 level handles?

This fvcking message board man....:roll:

[elementally morale]

He only appears as good because he's exploiting a rule set that many others refuse to exploit due to integrity.


I doubt it. Players play to win. If they were as good at exploiting the rule set as Harden is, they would. I don't believe this integrity stuff for even a minute. There MAY be some players who think that way but the league as a whole? Doubtful.

Exploiting the rules is a skill. If you want no floppers you have to ref the game that way. Nowadays everything is a travel. Literally. Almost every possession stats with someone taking at least two steps before dribbling the ball. Integrity? Where? Everybody exploits the refs not calling a travel a travel. Same with palming and carrying the ball.

Harden is just very good with these rules. If you don't like it you have to have different rules. I for one really dislike it... but it's not Harden's fault.

[egokiller]

I doubt it. Players play to win. If they were as good at exploiting the rule set as Harden is, they would. I don't believe this integrity stuff for even a minute. There MAY be some players who think that way but the league as a whole? Doubtful.

Exploiting the rules is a skill. If you want no floppers you have to ref the game that way. Nowadays everything is a travel. Literally. Almost every possession stats with someone taking at least two steps before dribbling the ball. Integrity? Where? Everybody exploits the refs not calling a travel a travel. Same with palming and carrying the ball.

Harden is just very good with these rules. If you don't like it you have to have different rules. I for one really dislike it... but it's not Harden's fault.

None of this changes the fact that if Harden plays in MJ's era entering the league at the same age as MJ, there are no shit rules like there are today for him to exploit. He has to play the game the way it is and because he does, he'd be a 18ppg player at best. We don't get to magically take all the progression and knowledge of 2019 and pretend Harden has it in say 91. Knowing what we know about how Harden plays in current playoffs and how it compares to his reg season play, we can logically conclude that his performance in 91 is more or less how I'm stating it.

[TheCorporation]

Imagine this https://i.postimg.cc/Nf8mwPSj/HardenMJ.jpg

45/12/15

[plowking]

People want to pretend that Harden isn't 6'5 and possibly one of the strongest SG's ever.

[egokiller]

People want to pretend that Harden is averaging more than 18 ppg when we got guys like Alvin Roberson, Michael Cooper, and Sindney Moncrief being allowed to hand check him. :roll:

[plowking]

People want to pretend that Harden is averaging more than 18 ppg when we got guys like Alvin Roberson, Michael Cooper, and Sindney Moncrief being allowed to hand check him. :roll:

With the whole strong side cleared out and him given room to work. :oldlol:

He'd be putting up 30ppg+ in the 80's easily, just like he is now.

[egokiller]

18 ppg max. Struggling even more in the playoffs back then seeing as how he shits the bed in the playoffs these days.

[Mr.GOAT2408]

Harden would definitely average 18+ in an earlier time. Obviously he would not average these numbers in an earlier time (besides pre-1970 of course) or even have this current skillset but he'll adapt. He's adapted to that rule change they installed that was made with him and I think KD in mind

Dude is a big 6'5 220lbs SG, he's probably a SF in an earlier era tbh definitely in the 60s but even the 80s. But that's why you can't compare in a vaccuum like that, would he be 220 lbs in those days? Probably not. He's also not very athletic (in NBA terms) which I think is the reason why he basically travels on his step back and pushes off, most of his shots would prob get blocked otherwise.

But he's definitely not the best and it's arguable if he's even top 5. KD, Giannis, Curry, Kawhi, PG, and LeBron definitely have arguments over him imo

[Smook A.]

But he's definitely not the best and it's arguable if he's even top 5. KD, Giannis, Curry, Kawhi, PG, and LeBron definitely have arguments over him imo
Kawhi, PG, and LeBron have arguments over Harden this season? Are you kidding me? No doubt Harden's been a top 5 player this season. Averaging 36/8/7/2 on 61% TS AND playing some decent defense while winning games isn't enough to convince you? God damn, the amount of people who rate him unfairly is absurd.

[SpaceJam2]

Kawhi, PG, and LeBron have arguments over Harden this season? Are you kidding me? No doubt Harden's been a top 5 player this season. Averaging 36/8/7/2 on 61% TS AND playing some decent defense while winning games isn't enough to convince you? God damn, the amount of people who rate him unfairly is absurd.

Agreed, but he is a Kobetard and since he just destroyed Kobe's best season he ever had, he feels threatened and as a result ranks him unfairly.

[Smook A.]

Agreed, but he is a Kobetard and since he just destroyed Kobe's best season he ever had, he feels threatened and as a result ranks him unfairly.
I was on reddit the other day and some Lakers fan asked how many more points Harden needed to secure an average of over 35.4 ppg, which is Kobe's career high. Someone responded with the answer and the Lakers fan goes "no offense but I don't want Harden to beat Kobe" :lol

[SpaceJam2]

I was on reddit the other day and some Lakers fan asked how many more points Harden needed to secure an average of over 35.4 ppg, which is Kobe's career high. Someone responded with the answer and the Lakers fan goes "no offense but I don't want Harden to beat Kobe" :lol

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100% that's what's going on. That was supposed to be Kobe's one breakout season where he was "so amazing" and Harden has already destroyed it.

[Mr.GOAT2408]

Why would I feel threatened by Harden? He's not surpassing Kobe with his numerous postseason blunders and will be on the wrong side of 30 soon. Those guys listed all have an argument that they're better players. Harden is too turnover prone, too reliant on factors out of his control (ref baiting), too ball-dominant, and too inconsistent for my liking, basically a modern, but better Arenas who had similar flaws. I don't see the same problems with most of the guys I listed and neither can you

And I don't even consider 06 to be Kobe's peak, it was an impressive season, but box score watchers have never had a good grasp of context so it's whatever :confusedshrug:

[SpaceJam2]

Why would I feel threatened by Harden? He's not surpassing Kobe with his numerous postseason blunders and will be on the wrong side of 30 soon. Those guys listed all have an argument that they're better players. Harden is too turnover prone, too reliant on factors out of his control (ref baiting), too ball-dominant, and too inconsistent for my liking, basically a modern, but better Arenas who had similar flaws. I don't see the same problems with most of the guys I listed and neither can you

And I don't even consider 06 to be Kobe's peak, it was an impressive season, but box score watchers have never had a good grasp of context so it's whatever :confusedshrug:

Ok so then when was "peak" Kobe?

[elementally morale]

Kawhi, PG, and LeBron have arguments over Harden this season? Are you kidding me? No doubt Harden's been a top 5 player this season. Averaging 36/8/7/2 on 61% TS AND playing some decent defense while winning games isn't enough to convince you? God damn, the amount of people who rate him unfairly is absurd.


I have to agree.

I have two arguments against Harden. The fist is: He hasn't shown us he is able to win when it matters. And the second: I just dislike watching him play.

But no doubt he is top 5. He is very very good. Still unwatchable. :oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

You should look to former Rockets players that didn't make a mockery of the game via flop fest. Players like Tmac and Yao come to mind. :applause:
Both Laimbeer and Rodman were master floppers yet you call them The Bad Boyzzz that MJ faced."


:lol you step right in the shit you constantly spew.

[FKAri]

Sure you have. This alt was already confirmed Simon. Try again. :roll:

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Confirmed Simon cuz of a photoshopped pic by YOU? :oldlol:

Everyone who disagrees with me is Simon! :rant

[SpaceJam2]

Confirmed Simon cuz of a photoshopped pic by YOU? :oldlol:

Everyone who disagrees with me is Simon! :rant

There are 200 Simons on this board :rant


Remake the dumb pic and add me too :applause: