39-yr MJ: 30-30 with 02' Wiz.. 34 yr Lebron: 27-30 in LA

[3ball]

Lebron's teammates resented him for not believing in them or caring..

MJ's teammates resented him because he cared too much, and would push them too hard in what had become a grouchy leadership style in his old age..

But mj's tough love resulted in 18 more wins overall and a 30-30 record with MJ, while Lebron had a below-500 record with LA and didn't improve the team from the prior year.

So Lebron had better stats but MJ offset that with better defense and leadership style to produce a better team.

tldr: add 2019 to the stack of proof that lebron is not on MJ's level

[And1AllDay]

Dont make us pull up Mikes stats from those Wiz years lil fella :oldlol: Wont be good for you :oldlol:

[SpaceJam]

Lakers are actually 28-27 when Bron played brother

What was Bron doing in his 14th season as opposed to MJ's 14th though?

[SamuraiSWISH]

Lakers are actually 28-27 when Bron played brother

What was Bron doing in his 14th season as opposed to MJ's 14th though?
And MJ at 34 years old was actually 69-13

[3ball]

Dont make us pull up Mikes stats from those Wiz years lil fella :oldlol: Wont be good for you :oldlol:
MJ improved the wizards 18 games versus zero for Lebron

so i'll take MJ's leadership, defense, and clutch to produce a better team than lebron's stats and choking to produce a shit team/shitstorm

[And1AllDay]

MJ improved the wizards 18 games versus zero for Lebron

so i'll take MJ's leadership, defense, and clutch to produce a better team than lebron's stats and choking to produce a shit team/shitstorm

Yeah Mikes 20 points on 42% was the key to success :oldlol:

Hol up sound like Scottie Pippen numbers to me :eek:

[SpaceJam]

And MJ at 34 years old was actually 69-13

What about at 56K minutes?

[3ball]

Lakers are actually 28-27 when Bron played brother

What was Bron doing in his 14th season as opposed to MJ's 14th though?
Lakers are 6-11 without lebron this season right?

And 34-42 overall?

That's 28-31, so maybe the title is wrong

And regardless, how many win-improvement from last year???

[SpaceJam]

Lakers are 6-11 without lebron this season right?

And 34-42 overall?

That's 28-31, so maybe the title is wrong

And regardless, how many win-improvement from last year???

I'm not here to do your research for you bro, I'm just trying to get in before you look foolish in front of the other posters. Don't embarrass me dawg

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Wizards MJ played defense too.

But that's because MJ's in a class of his own.

Lets leave Bron alone boys. He and Kobe can fight amongst each other in the Top 10.

[NBASTATMAN]

Lebron's record is 28-27 with the Lakers.. :facepalm

So many lies to pick up MJ.. At this point Lebron has played well over 12 K minutes than MJ when he came back and played with the Wizards..

Lebron was injured yet still had a winning record when he went on the floor.. GOAT JAMES :bowdown:

[SpaceJam]

tldr: add 2019 to the stack of proof that lebron is not on MJ's level

Just seen the edit, stack of proof huh? That's why you can't go a day without comparing the two? :roll:

That insecurity is showing again 3ball

[3ball]

Yeah Mikes 20 points on 42% was the key to success :oldlol:



1 of 3 guys with 24/5/5 along with Kobe/Tmac before he got hurt around game 50:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-24-2015/bQujRx.gif


https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-31-2019/GgFaPT.gif






Hol up sound like Scottie Pippen numbers to me :eek:



No, not Scottie


https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-13-2015/CaqFFm.gif

[NBASTATMAN]

1 of 3 guys with 24/5/5 along with Kobe/Tmac before he got hurt around game 50:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-24-2015/bQujRx.gif


https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-31-2019/GgFaPT.gif





No, not Scottie


https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-13-2015/CaqFFm.gif



I remember this ......... Its just shows how much better MJ was than Kobe or Tmac.. Imagine MJ in his prime vs those two..

[AussieSteve]

3ball and all the other lebron hating tards, so quick to judge lebron based on LALs record this season.

Fact is they're 28-27 with LeBron And 6-15 without him. But look at what they've had to deal with.

Lonzo, Tyson, Rondo all missing 30+ games
Ingram, Lebron, Lance all missing 20+ games

LAL were 20-14 at Christmas. Since then, injuries to almost everyone in their rotation has hurt them badly.

For the season LAL are
20-10 when LeBron, Kuzma and Ball all start
19-13 when LeBron, Kuzma and Ingram all start
24-17 when LeBron , Kuzma and McGee all start

So, Lebron with two other guys worthy of being in an NBA starting lineup = playoffs in either conference.

Even if the above wasn't the case, anyone with eyes can see lebron has been hobbled post injury. This season adds zero context to the rest of his career.

[SpaceJam2]

3ball and all the other lebron hating tards, so quick to judge lebron based on LALs record this season.

Fact is they're 28-27 with LeBron And 6-15 without him. But look at what they've had to deal with.

Lonzo, Tyson, Rondo all missing 30+ games
Ingram, Lebron, Lance all missing 20+ games

LAL were 20-14 at Christmas. Since then, injuries to almost everyone in their rotation has hurt them badly.

For the season LAL are
20-10 when LeBron, Kuzma and Ball all start
19-13 when LeBron, Kuzma and Ingram all start
24-17 when LeBron , Kuzma and McGee all start

So, Lebron with two other guys worthy of being in an NBA starting lineup = playoffs in either conference.

Even if the above wasn't the case, anyone with eyes can see lebron has been hobbled post injury. This season adds zero context to the rest of his career.

Finally a level-headed approach to all this hoopla

[3ball]

[


LAL were 20-14 at Christmas. Since then, injuries to almost everyone in their rotation has hurt them badly.



Rip missed 20 games, along with othes - every team has injuries



"Washington won for the sixth time in eight games despite playing without Jahidi White (sore throat) and Hubert Davis (viral infection). Led by Jordan, the Wizards head to the All-Star break with a surprising 26-21 record.

"We've got 26 wins and we still have 35 games left," Jordan said. "We've got a good chance of putting ourselves in a good predicament, which all along I felt like we could. In some ways you want to think greedy, but nut-cutting time is starting to come."
"

https://www.nba.com/games/20020207/SACWAS/recap.html





3ball and all the other lebron hating tards, so quick to judge lebron based on LALs record this season.

Fact is they're 28-27 with LeBron And 6-15 without him. But look at what they've had to deal with.

Lonzo, Tyson, Rondo all missing 30+ games
Ingram, Lebron, Lance all missing 20+ games

For the season LAL are
20-10 when LeBron, Kuzma and Ball all start
19-13 when LeBron, Kuzma and Ingram all start
24-17 when LeBron , Kuzma and McGee all start

So, Lebron with two other guys worthy of being in an NBA starting lineup = playoffs in either conference.

Even if the above wasn't the case, anyone with eyes can see lebron has been hobbled post injury. This season adds zero context to the rest of his career.


They're 28-27?.. that explains why lebron shut it down for the last few games.. and it's still less than wizards MJ because no improvement from last year

And every team has lineups with better records than others, so your data is meaningless - they're barely .500 with lebron - that's all that matters

[SpaceJam2]

[


"Washington won for the sixth time in eight games despite playing without Jahidi White (sore throat) and Hubert Davis (viral infection). Led by Jordan, the Wizards head to the All-Star break with a surprising 26-21 record.

"We've got 26 wins and we still have 35 games left," Jordan said. "We've got a good chance of putting ourselves in a good predicament, which all along I felt like we could. In some ways you want to think greedy, but nut-cutting time is starting to come."
"

https://www.nba.com/games/20020207/SACWAS/recap.html



They're 28-27?.. that explains why lebron shut it down for the last few games.. and it's still less than wizards MJ because no improvement from last year

And every team has lineups with better records than others, so your data is meaningless - they're barely .500 with lebron - that's all that matters

LOL No you're right it was Jordan's 20 points on 42% that propelled them to success :roll:

Is it time for a new thread? Which team can LeBron score 20 on 44% and win 37 games?

[egokiller]

Simon is upset because uncle Jeff hasn't read him his bedtime story yet. Every night Simon has a chance to live vicariously through a moment of when real basketball was played, and gets to experience what it might have been like through uncle Jeff's eyes to see real ball under a proper rule set. Those are his happiest times.

A cringe fact yes, but a fact none the less. :eek:

[AussieSteve]

[


"Washington won for the sixth time in eight games despite playing without Jahidi White (sore throat) and Hubert Davis (viral infection). Led by Jordan, the Wizards head to the All-Star break with a surprising 26-21 record.

"We've got 26 wins and we still have 35 games left," Jordan said. "We've got a good chance of putting ourselves in a good predicament, which all along I felt like we could. In some ways you want to think greedy, but nut-cutting time is starting to come."
"

https://www.nba.com/games/20020207/SACWAS/recap.html



They're 28-27?.. that explains why lebron shut it down for the last few games.. and it's still less than wizards MJ because no improvement from last year

And every team has lineups with better records than others, so your data is meaningless - they're barely .500 with lebron - that's all that matters


Couldn't care less about 39 yo MJ v current LBJ.

But all the crap being spoken about lebron this year ignores all context. If the lakers hadn't been decimated by injury, and lebron hadn't clearly declined since his groin injury , then sure rip into him. East success put in its place. But that's not what's happened. Before he and lonzo and Ingram etc. were injured, they were flying. The season has fallen apart since then, but it adds no context to LeBron's past success, or historical standing.

[SpaceJam2]

Simon is upset because uncle Jeff hasn't read him his bedtime story yet. Every night Simon has a chance to live vicariously through a moment of when real basketball was played, and gets to experience what it might have been like through uncle Jeff's eyes to see real ball under a proper rule set. Those are his happiest times.

A cringe fact yes, but a fact none the less. :eek:

Cringe

[SpaceJam2]

Couldn't care less about 39 yo MJ v current LBJ.

But all the crap being spoken about lebron this year ignores all context. If the lakers hadn't been decimated by injury, and lebron hadn't clearly declined since his groin injury , then sure rip into him. East success put in its place. But that's not what's happened. Before he and lonzo and Ingram etc. were injured they were flying. The season has fallen apart since then, but it adds no context to LeBron's past success, or historical standing.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/26gsjCZpPolPr3sBy/giphy.gif

[3ball]

LOL No you're right it was Jordan's 20 points on 42% that propelled them to success :roll:

Is it time for a new thread? Which team can LeBron score 20 on 44% and win 37 games?
Richard Hamilton missed 20 games and so did jordan, yet the wizards still improved 18 games because of improved teamwork

that's what a normally-coached team can do when the ball isn't in 1 guy's hands all the time

Jordan's style allowed coaching so the team could play to capacity

[SpaceJam2]

Richard Hamilton missed 20 games and so did jordan, yet the wizards still improved 18 games because of improved teamwork

that's what a normally-coached team can do when the ball isn't in 1 guy's hands all the time

Jordan's style allowed coaching so the team could play to capacity

Yep, in the weak eras of bbal 21 points on 44% is definitely enough to catapult a team to great success :lol :applause:

[3ball]

Couldn't care less about 39 yo MJ v current LBJ.

But all the crap being spoken about lebron this year ignores all context. If the lakers hadn't been decimated by injury, and lebron hadn't clearly declined since his groin injury , then sure rip into him. East success put in its place. But that's not what's happened. Before he and lonzo and Ingram etc. were injured, they were flying. The season has fallen apart since then, but it adds no context to LeBron's past success, or historical standing.
Lebron averaged 28/8/9 since the groin injury

So you're making excuses - the schedule simply got a lot harder, as was expected, and they're barely .500 with Lebron - that's all that matters

And speaking of context - Rip Hamilton missed 20 games and so did MJ.. So we didn't get to see if the MJ/Collins brand was going to upset everybody and nearly make the Finals again like they did with a 6 seed in 89'... They were certainly headed that way before MJ went down

[SpaceJam2]

Lebron averaged 28/8/9 since the groin injury

So you're making excuses - the schedule simply got a lot harder, as was expected, and they're barely .500 with Lebron - that's all that matters

And speaking of context - Rip Hamilton missed 20 games and so did MJ.. So we didn't get to see if the MJ/Collins brand was going to upset everybody and nearly make the Finals again like they did with a 6 seed in 89'... They were certainly headed that way before MJ went down

28/8/9 on 51% was not enough but 22/6/4 on 44% was plenty?

Either LBJ's teammates are trash or MJ played in a weak era. Take your pick playboy :confusedshrug:

[3ball]

28/8/9 on 51% was not enough but 22/6/4 on 44% was plenty?

Either LBJ's teammates are trash or MJ played in a weak era. Take your pick playboy :confusedshrug:
No, lebron simply isn't coachable and won't let coaches install a system, so the team can't play to capacity - unfortunately, this formula can't succeed in the West.. :confusedshrug:.. ::applause:

[sdot_thadon]

Richard Hamilton missed 20 games and so did jordan, yet the wizards still improved 18 games because of improved teamwork

that's what a normally-coached team can do when the ball isn't in 1 guy's hands all the time

Jordan's style allowed coaching so the team could play to capacity
I'm guessing you mean the year he "played" for the coach he hired?:oldlol:

and still took 22 shots a game.....:biggums:

[SpaceJam2]

No, lebron simply isn't coachable and won't let coaches install a system, so the team can't play to capacity - unfortunately, this formula can't succeed in the West.. :confusedshrug:.. ::applause:

Riiiight


But MJ's 22 on 44% was plenty :lol

[AussieSteve]

Lebron averaged 28/8/9 since the groin injury

So you're making excuses - the schedule simply got a lot harder, as was expected, and they're barely .500 with Lebron - that's all that matters

And speaking of context - Rip Hamilton missed 20 games and so did MJ.. So we didn't get to see if the MJ/Collins brand was going to upset everybody and nearly make the Finals again like they did with a 6 seed in 89'... They were certainly headed that way before MJ went down

Again.. don't care about MJ in 2003.

Regarding LeBron... his raw stats are still great but his level of play has clearly dropped. With no capable ball handlers to run point for most of the second half of the season (Lonzo and Rondo both missing 30+ games) who else is going to handle the ball. His usage has increase but his efficiency has dropped. Average 19fga / 8fta before injury, and 21fga /7fta after injury. For the same ppg.

[3ball]

Riiiight


But MJ's 22 on 44% was plenty :lol

MJ's leadership, defense, and clutch produce a better team than lebron's losing stats

39 year old improved the wizards 18 games versus zero for Lebron.. and 34-year MJ got the 1 seed without Pippen

So MJ blows lebron away and it's getting obvious... And we have 3 more years of this!.. :oldlol:

[SamuraiSWISH]

MJ's leadership, defense, and clutch produce a better team than lebron's losing stats

39 year old improved the wizards 18 games versus zero for Lebron.. and 34-year MJ got the 1 seed without Pippen

So MJ blows lebron away and it's getting obvious... And we have 3 more years of this!.. :oldlol:
Actually that was 35 year old Jordan.

[Kblaze8855]

Fact is they're 28-27 with LeBron And 6-15 without him. But look at what they've had to deal with.

Lonzo, Tyson, Rondo all missing 30+ games
Ingram, Lebron, Lance all missing 20+ games

For the season LAL are
20-10 when LeBron, Kuzma and Ball all start
19-13 when LeBron, Kuzma and Ingram all start
24-17 when LeBron , Kuzma and McGee all start

So, Lebron with two other guys worthy of being in an NBA starting lineup = playoffs in either conference.

Even if the above wasn't the case, anyone with eyes can see lebron has been hobbled post injury. This season adds zero context to the rest of his career.


There was a game I watched with a couple laker fan friends when they played the Celtics and I swear we didnt know who some of the Lakers were. Got Ike Bonga, Mo Wagner, Alex Caruso, and Jonathan Williams playing big minutes.

Look at this lineup from a couple days ago:



https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201903270UTA.html




Who the **** is Scott Machado?

[UK2K]

Nobody is impressed by Lebrons stats.

Today's game, if you're a guard in today's world and you arent averaging at least a handful of rebounds a game, something is wrong.

Doubly easy for a 6'9" power forward.

Assists are a dime a dozen as well (pun intended).

Stats are easier to come by in today's league. Jordan made 1st team all defense numerous times... Lebron gets praised for putting up stats and losing.

[Doranku]

4 games against GS this season, LeBron played 21 minutes. :lol Dude is traumatized.

[MJistheGOAT]

MJ with 38-39 years old led the 19-63 Wizards to a 26-21 record before the All-Star break/getting injured, also being the only player with averages of 20+ ppg 6+ reb 5+ ast and this with Hamilton missing 5 weeks.

Last 16 games with Rip Hamilton and MJ??? 15-1.

Wizards record without MJ/after injury: 11-25

26-21 record projected to 46-47 wins and a 4th seed
With Hamilton and MJ probably 50 wins and a 1st-2nd seed

Im not going to start on defensive impact of Wizards MJ before the injury:
- 2001 wizards 2nd worst ppg to 6th best, after the injury 19th
- 3rd worst opp fg% to 11th best, after injury 2nd worst
- team reb per game top 10 worst to 9th best pre injury to 4th worst after
- shutting down Pierce, Vince, Sprewell, Marion, Stojakovic

Wizards MJ >>>>>>> Lakers LePushed

[SpaceJam2]

There was a game I watched with a couple laker fan friends when they played the Celtics and I swear we didnt know who some of the Lakers were. Got Ike Bonga, Mo Wagner, Alex Caruso, and Jonathan Williams playing big minutes.

Look at this lineup from a couple days ago:



https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201903270UTA.html




Who the **** is Scott Machado?

I'll admit I am a Lakers fan and I have no clue who Scott Machado is :lol