How many points would Jordan average today?

[Walk on Water]

Let's just say he was on a sucky team. But let's say that team had some defense, so he didn't have to go all out on that side of the court every night. And imagine if he had some guys that were great screen setters.

Would he be better? He averaged 30 points a game back when the league wasn't even fast paced. But he wasn't a master at the 3 point line. He'd take them from time to time, but it wasn't his game.

Would you imagine Jordan taking more 3s? Would he be better at them? Would he do the double Harden step back and chuck up 15 a game? Who would stop Mike?

[SpaceJam]

What's DeRozan averaging these days

[elementally morale]

If you just put the original Jordan in today's game? Probably around 30 points. Does he have 2-3 years to prepare? 40+ points. A 21 year-old MJ would see where the game is today and would practice 3 pointers.

[Marchesk]

Westbrook averaged 31.6 in 16/17 season off 34.3 3P%.

Pretty sure the 3 point shooting today wouldn't hinder MJ.

[StrongLurk]

It depends on how many times he shoots a game.

[Walk on Water]

It depends on how many times he shoots a game.


If he played similar to Harden

[Manny98]

A lot of players could average 40 if they were on a shit team and got to shoot the ball 30 times a night It's not that impressive

[SpaceJam2]

What's DeRozan averaging these days

These old cats forget Jordan can't shoot and wouldn't be facing part time mechanics and Sears washing machine salesman anymore.

Welcome to the big leagues, Jordan

[paksat]

completely unstoppable

probably peak at 45 ppg with multiple years between 41-43

not a doubt in my mind he'd drop 85+ at least once

[SpaceJam2]

completely unstoppable

probably peak at 45 ppg with multiple years between 41-43

not a doubt in my mind he'd drop 85+ at least once

Reminder: MJ wont be facing these guys anymore:


https://i.postimg.cc/ZqR9sXnB/hjklhjkl.jpg

Different ball game now. The only Kawhi in the league at the time (Pippen) was on his own damn team. Now many NBA teams have great defensive stoppers that play on the perimeter. Now keep in mind he can't shoot 3s and we're looking at a guy that has a similar game to DeMar but better athletically so I give him the "Demar +2" rule. Whatever DeMar is doing but +2. So 23 ppg for DeMar would be 25ppg for Jordan.

[paksat]

Reminder: MJ wont be facing these guys anymore:


https://i.postimg.cc/ZqR9sXnB/hjklhjkl.jpg

Different ball game now. The only Kawhi in the league at the time (Pippen) was on his own damn team. Now many NBA teams have great defensive stoppers that play on the perimeter. Now keep in mind he can't shoot 3s and we're looking at a guy that has a similar game to DeMar but better athletically so I give him the "Demar +2" rule. Whatever DeMar is doing but +2. So 23 ppg for DeMar would be 25ppg for Jordan.

ok just forget about hakeem, shaq, robinson, kemp, the entire pistons team, worthy, the entire knicks team, bla bla bla

pippen played jordan 1v1 in 91 for their first and only "official 1v1 game" and pippen didn't score a point

Look I get it, you're 12 years old have been mislead by the media

a guy that is 6'6 200 running a 4.4 40 with a 48 inch vertical who never misses a mid range jump shot basically isn't gonna be any better in a league where 140 point games is the average

where you can't even touch the offensive player

where if you look at someone wrong, that's a technical foul

I'll be here destroying you for.... eternity :oldlol:

[SpaceJam2]

ok just forget about hakeem, shaq, robinson, kemp, the entire pistons team, worthy, the entire knicks team, bla bla bla

pippen played jordan 1v1 in 91 for their first and only "official 1v1 game" and pippen didn't score a point

Look I get it, you're 12 years old have been mislead by the media

a guy that is 6'6 200 running a 4.4 40 with a 48 inch vertical who never misses a mid range jump shot basically isn't gonna be any better in a league where 140 point games is the average

where you can't even touch the offensive player

where if you look at someone wrong, that's a technical foul

I'll be here destroying you for.... eternity :oldlol:

I never said Jordan wouldn't score in this league, I never said he wasn't an athletic freak, either. But in today's league there are far more athletic players than in the 80s and 90s, the skill sets of all players have risen, and the talent pool has gotten deeper. Look at the number of international stars, the amount of scouting that goes into basketball now It's not debatable.

Jordan played during a time where he was so amazing because everyone else was just okay. Today's league has actual perimeter defense and legal zones now.

[paksat]

Today's league has actual perimeter defense

is that why everyone and their mom is averaging 25+?


:roll:

[SpaceJam2]

is that why everyone and their mom is averaging 25+?


:roll:

skill
set
goes
up

How many guys can shoot a 3 now? Euro step? Step back? Improved ball handling? etc.

Think about it for a moment

[Phoenix]

'Spacejam2' is replying to 'Spacejam'. :lol

Never change, ISH.

[SpaceJam2]

'Spacejam2' is replying to 'Spacejam'. :lol

Never change, ISH.

:pimp:

And Phoenix is replying to 3ball

[Phoenix]

:pimp:

And Phoenix is replying to 3ball

And you somehow think that's a comparable analogy? I think you know where I was going with my post, so I assume you're trying to make some lame attempt at assuming I'm a 3ball alt. There's absolutelty zero evidence of that, of course, but whatever helps you get through the day. I rarely quote 3ball in general.

[Bronbron23]

Let's just say he was on a sucky team. But let's say that team had some defense, so he didn't have to go all out on that side of the court every night. And imagine if he had some guys that were great screen setters.

Would he be better? He averaged 30 points a game back when the league wasn't even fast paced. But he wasn't a master at the 3 point line. He'd take them from time to time, but it wasn't his game.

Would you imagine Jordan taking more 3s? Would he be better at them? Would he do the double Harden step back and chuck up 15 a game? Who would stop Mike?
Hasn't this been done a million times already? Jordan Stan's will say 45-50 and Jordan haters will say something idiotic like whatever DeRozan scores. The truth as usual is somewhere in the middle.

[Dray n Klay]

24-26 ppg

He

[Rico2016]

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]24-26 ppg

He

[72-10]

Prime? I think he's averaging in the 40s.

[FKAri]

He's too old to cut it in today's NBA.

[AlternativeAcc.]

look up demar derozan on bball reference and you'll have your answer.

[SpaceJam2]

look up demar derozan on bball reference and you'll have your answer.

I give Jordan the "Demar and two" rule.

Take Demar's stats and just add two and that would be Jordan production.

Very similar players, just different eras :confusedshrug:

[Uncle Drew]

To be exact, he would average 21.5 points per game, 6.2 rebounds per game, 6.2 assists per game, 1.1 steals per game, 0.5 blocks per game, 2.6 turnovers per game.

[TheCorporation]

To be exact, he would average 21.5 points per game, 6.2 rebounds per game, 6.2 assists per game, 1.1 steals per game, 0.5 blocks per game, 2.6 turnovers per game.

Thanks, Unc :cheers:

[Manny98]

And you somehow think that's a comparable analogy? I think you know where I was going with my post, so I assume you're trying to make some lame attempt at assuming I'm a 3ball alt. There's absolutelty zero evidence of that, of course, but whatever helps you get through the day. I rarely quote 3ball in general.
You both lick MJs ******** 24/7 that's enough evidence

[TheCorporation]

You both lick MJs ******** 24/7 that's enough evidence

:applause: :applause:

[Big164]

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]24-26 ppg

He

[Uncle Drew]

https://66.media.tumblr.com/070b6b2fe65f45f440516606f4db0eb6/tumblr_omreqaXNln1sdydefo1_r1_400.gif
Carry, perhaps even double dribble, and travel.

[SamuraiSWISH]

2003, 2006, 2007 Kobe would be 38 ppg
1988 - 1993 Jordan would be 42 ppg

[egokiller]

completely unstoppable

probably peak at 45 ppg with multiple years between 41-43

not a doubt in my mind he'd drop 85+ at least once

This. The only people who understand are those who saw him live. Anyone else is saying otherwise because they are salty and depressed over having to settle for watching Harden instead of MJ.

[superduper]

How are the people comparing him to fking Demar not bannable lmao

[egokiller]

How are the people comparing him to fking Demar not bannable lmao

They don

[SamuraiSWISH]

How are the people comparing him to fking Demar not bannable lmao
This ...

When it really is like Westbitch’s motor

plus

Wade’s fearless attack game

plus

Kobe’s jumper / footwork

With superior athleticism, will, mental toughness and b-ball IQ than all of them as well as being a better defender.

[72-10]

Carry, perhaps even double dribble, and travel.

You're a moron. It's a completely legal move. Watch the rare side camera angle and you'll see.

[Phoenix]

You both lick MJs ******** 24/7 that's enough evidence

Says the inbred c*nt with multiple times the number of posts as me, most of them dedicated to sucking off Lebrons knob.

[OldSchoolBBall]

On a team with good spacing and an 18-23 ppg second option, he'd average around 35-38/7/7/52% FG/62% TS. On a garbage team with spacing he'd average like 38-40/7/7/49-50% FG/60% TS. Wouldn't be surprised if those numbers actually undershoot it, though. Just wide open lanes, no shotblockers, and no physicality today. Jordan routinely had to beat 3+ defenders for buckets, now in many cases it's just one, MAYBE 2.

[SpaceJam2]

On a team with good spacing and an 18-23 ppg second option, he'd average around 35-38/7/7/52% FG/62% TS. On a garbage team with spacing he'd average like 38-40/7/7/49-50% FG/60% TS. Wouldn't be surprised if those numbers actually undershoot it, though. Just wide open lanes, no shotblockers, and no physicality today. Jordan routinely had to beat 3+ defenders for buckets, now in many cases it's just one, MAYBE 2.

But he has to shoot 3s in zone defense era.


He shot 18.9% :( in such situations

[nashwade]

MJ would retire early in today's NBA cos no way he's gonna out-compete players on the 3 point line. that's not his thing.

"fcuk this sh!t"

[Gileraracer]

40+ easily

[SpaceJam]

27.3ppg 46% FG 26% 3PT

[SpaceJam2]

27.3ppg 46% FG 26% 3PT

Sounds good to me

[Kblaze8855]

On a good team maybe 30 on absurd shooting on a middling team that needed him to let loose....38-40ppg if he decided to really push it.

Put him on the Bucks in place of Giannis and let him play 5 out ball I dont know what you do. This league makes guys like Giannis look quick off the dribble. Hes long and a god tier athlete but hes not nearly as explosive off the catch as Jordan and he gets in the lane like nobody is trying to prevent it.

Get Cartwright and Horace out of his way at the 3 point line and needing to be defended there?

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

I cant really put into words how unstoppable Mike would be in that situation to people who didnt see enough of him to know.

[egokiller]

Imagine if MJ played today? Every little fucc boi on here who's constantly talking shit because they are depressed that the Jordan era passed them by would be on their knees slurping his nuts. :roll:

That's the difference between little fucc boi fans of today and fans back then. Back then, people didn't like MJ shitting all over their team but we respected his greatness. We didn't stop supporting our teams and jump on whatever team MJ was on like young fans of today would do. :applause:

[SpaceJam2]

Imagine if MJ played today? Every little fucc boi on here who's constantly talking shit because they are depressed that the Jordan era passed them by would be on their knees slurping his nuts. :roll:

That's the difference between little fucc boi fans of today and fans back then. Back then, people didn't like MJ shitting all over their team but we respected his greatness. We didn't stop supporting our teams and jump on whatever team MJ was on like young fans of today would do. :applause:

Are you ok?

During his 72-win season, during the Finals he put up 27 on 41% versus 6'1 Payton

If that doesn't tell you enough then :confusedshrug:

He also is the only player in top 5 with lowest FG% FMVP ever. He was a good scorer, no denying it, but he was not efficient and would not be this amazing god with bigger/stronger athletic players in the modern era guarding him on perimeter.

[AirFederer]

On a good team maybe 30 on absurd shooting on a middling team that needed him to let loose....38-40ppg if he decided to really push it.

Put him on the Bucks in place of Giannis and let him play 5 out ball I dont know what you do. This league makes guys like Giannis look quick off the dribble. Hes long and a god tier athlete but hes not nearly as explosive off the catch as Jordan and he gets in the lane like nobody is trying to prevent it.

Get Cartwright and Horace out of his way at the 3 point line and needing to be defended there?

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

I cant really put into words how unstoppable Mike would be in that situation to people who didnt see enough of him to know.

We are talking fast break dunking in halfcourt play, ten a game

[egokiller]

Are you ok?

During his 72-win season, during the Finals he put up 27 on 41% versus 6'1 Payton

If that doesn't tell you enough then :confusedshrug:

He also is the only player in top 5 with lowest FG% FMVP ever. He was a good scorer, no denying it, but he was not efficient and would not be this amazing god with bigger/stronger athletic players in the modern era guarding him on perimeter.

You keep ethering yourself:


Players are better now, more athletic now

If MJ was doing what he did back then picture him more athletic and better now. :applause:

Give me MJ in 96 who averages in the the finals 27/5/4 on 42% shooting resulting in winning the series over 18/7/7 on 48% (LeBron 2011 in a league where it's harder to play defense, so scoring is much easier)

[And1AllDay]

You keep ethering yourself:



If MJ was doing what he did back then picture him more athletic and better now. :applause:

Give me MJ in 96 who averages in the the finals 27/5/4 on 42% shooting resulting in winning the series over 18/7/7 on 48% (LeBron 2011 in a league where it's harder to play defense, so scoring is much easier)

Bruh what don't you get if Mike were struggling against 6'3 defense so how do you think he going to do against bigger faster athletes

Hornacek isnt a DPOY in 19' bruh bruh :oldlol:

[egokiller]

Bruh what don't you get if Mike were struggling against 6'3 defense so how do you think he going to do against bigger faster athletes

Hornacek isnt a DPOY in 19' bruh bruh :oldlol:

Wrong, it's much harder to play defense today so it's easier to score. If MJ is dropping 27 points per game in the finals on the DPOY Gary Payton, just imagine what he'd do in this soft league where it's harder to play defense. 45 ppg easy.:applause:

[And1AllDay]

Wrong, it's much harder to play defense today so it's easier to score. If MJ is dropping 27 points per game in the finals on the DPOY Gary Payton, just imagine what he'd do in this shit soft as league where it's harder to play defense. 45 ppg easy.:applause:

:oldlol: :roll:

72 win MVP vs 6'1 160-pounder

27 on 41% :eek:

[egokiller]

:oldlol: :roll:

72 win MVP vs 6'1 160-pounder

27 on 41% :eek:

18 ppg on JJ Berea. :roll:

Done and done. :applause:

[sdot_thadon]

I'm going to likely be in the minority here but his numbers will be close to what they already were if we're still expecting winning level ball out of him. 32-37 a game is reasonable with results (team)depending on how much he decides to shoot. One thing for sure is i don't think he averages anything special being the same player. The game is different therfore he'd have to be a bit different himself.

Without a decent 3ball his overall efficiency would decay a bit because at some point teams would just start playing off of him. While he'd still look pretty good it will be on lower efficiency/effectiveness. When you challenge a career sub 30% shooter (28% career shooter without the shortened line) to make 3's the results aren't aways going to be pretty.

And before a stan posts gifs of his 3's vs Portland.....I'm sure one half of a single game holds more weight than 12 seasons worth....

It's kinda silly when people say player xyz will put up x numbers in said year. The game is different in every era and while great players will be great no matter what, the era can take things away from a player's game the same ways we assume things will be added.

[And1AllDay]

18 ppg on JJ Berea. :roll:

Done and done. :applause:

You know if we actually pull the stats where Payton is guarding Jordan his numbers are even lower so don't make us do that :oldlol:

[egokiller]

You know if we actually pull the stats where Payton is guarding Jordan his numbers are even lower so don't make us do that :oldlol:

27 ppg on a DPOY back when defense could actually be played

18 ppg on JJ Berea where the rules make it very difficult to play effective defense.

Done and Done

:banana: :banana: :banana:


One thing for sure is i don't think he averages anything special being the same player. The game is different therfore he'd have to be a bit different himself.

Are you saying the greatest finals perfectionist of all time (6/6 with 6 FMVP) would have a hard time at all doing whatever is necessary to shit all over this soft ass league? :roll:

[sdot_thadon]

Are you saying the greatest finals perfectionist of all time (6/6 with 6 FMVP) would have a hard time at all doing whatever is necessary to shit all over this soft ass league? :roll:
That's not what i said at all, nice try though. The funny thing is I'm a bigger Jordan fan than you but I'm not a groupie, so i can be real about what i saw. I'd love to see a proper response to what i posted although I and everyone here know you're completely incapable of anything beyond bitchy little potshot posts here and there.:oldlol:

[egokiller]

That's not what i said at all, nice try though.

Then there is nothing more on the topic to discuss with you. MJ would dominate just as hard if not harder today than he did back then.

Done and done

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Sdot undermines Jordan in all of his posts. Biggest MJ fan out there though :oldlol:

Mike would put up the same numbers he had in the 80s, but on a good team. I say he'd average Harden stats on a bad one AND some (better effiency and defense, more ppg etc).

[egokiller]

Sdot undermines Jordan in all of his posts. Biggest MJ fan out there though :oldlol:

:roll:

The things people tell themselves to cope.

[sdot_thadon]

Sdot undermines Jordan in all of his posts. Biggest MJ fan out there though :oldlol:

Mike would put up the same numbers he had in the 80s, but on a good team. I say he'd average Harden stats on a bad one AND some (better effiency and defense, more ppg etc).
I do play devil's advocate a ton here i won't deny that. It's primarily because it's annoying to see these discussions always come from a one sided place. Mj was greater than pretty much anyone to ever bounce a ball, but he's not perfect. Especially if we use the same standards on him as we use on modern players. If you can't see that it might be time to take the goggles off. To be a fan doesn't necessitate being a fanatic.

Now on the actual discussion Mj won't put up Harden numbers, because he's not Harden. He's not as willing a passer for one. And the most important thing Harden's game has is his threat of a 3 from any live dribble situation. Mj has alot in his bag but that's not one of the things he possesses. The distance Harden shoots his 3's from are often times beyond the regular 3 point line. From the regular 3 point line Mj shot 28% for his career. That's more in line with a Dwade or Westbrook than Harden. Harden does what he does creating more than 80% of his 3 point looks himself. It's all part of the dynamic.

It's time for people to give it up to Harden, although the ft hunting is ugly his talents are unique in Nba history. Nobody is just gonna "do Harden's numbers ":no:

[egokiller]

Based on what we know about MJ, his career, his outlook on the game, if he came into he league the same time as Harden he would be a much much better player than Harden. He'd certainly score more. Shit, people who never even saw MJ know this.

Last time I checked, 6/6 with 6 FMVP = finals perfection.

What has Harden ever shown us? How to play shittier in the playoffs than in the regular season? Um.. that's great I guess.

[sdot_thadon]

Based on what we know about MJ, his career, his outlook on the game, if he came into he league the same time as Harden he would be a much much better player than Harden. He'd certainly score more. Shit, people who never even saw MJ know this.

Last time I checked, 6/6 with 6 FMVP = finals perfection.

What has Harden ever shown us? How to play shittier in the playoffs than in the regular season? Um.. that's great I guess.
What Mj showed us is 3 point shooting is a weakness. He'll forever be a better player than Harden but he won't just step into Harden's shoes and replicate his game. He can't.

Do yourself a simple math favor. Take 13 of Mjs fga and make them 3s at 28% then tell me how his numbers look.

[egokiller]

What Mj showed us is 3 point shooting is a weakness. He'll forever be a better player than Harden but he won't just step into Harden's shoes and replicate his game. He can't.

Do yourself a simple math favor. Take 13 of Mjs fga and make them 3s at 28% then tell me how his numbers look.

Why the fvck would he ever want to replicate Harden's inferior game in the first place? Why would a man who doesn't know how to lose in the finals suddenly decide to replicate the mediocrity (by comparison) that Harden has shown us? MJ joining the league at the same time as Harden develops a 3 pt fg % at or better than Harden's. Do you think a man who doesn't know how to lose in the finals just suddenly decides to not develop a respectable 3 pt shot in a league that promotes 3 point shooting? Again, we are talking about a man who refuses to lose if he's got enough help to get him to the finals. He's going to do anything and everything to ensure finals victory. We have zero reason to think otherwise based on what we know about his career and tendencies.

"but Jordan didn't have a 3 point shot back then because he hardly ever practiced it"

Well no shit.

[sdot_thadon]

Why the fvck would he ever want to replicate Harden's inferior game in the first place? Why would a man who doesn't know how to lose in the finals suddenly decide to replicate the mediocrity (by comparison) that Harden has shown us? MJ joining the league at the same time as Harden develops a 3 pt fg % at or better than Harden's. Do you think a man who doesn't know how to lose in the finals just suddenly decides to not develop a respectable 3 pt shot in a league that promotes 3 point shooting? Again, we are talking about a man who refuses to lose if he's got enough help to get him to the finals. He's going to do anything and everything to ensure finals victory. We have zero reason to think otherwise based on what we know about his career and tendencies.

"but Jordan didn't have a 3 point shot back then because he hardly ever practiced it"

Well no shit.
There it is, so predictable. Mj is the only great player in history who would adapt to hs era. We don't make concessions for other players not having a skill simply as "they didn't practice it" Completely asinine line of thinking.

If "if" was a 5th.....

[SpaceJam2]

Ego's that guy in a fight who got knocked out and he's on the floor and should stay down but keeps getting up and getting whooped again and again.

*whispers: Stay. down.

[egokiller]

The inability to not connect the dots and understand that MJ would shit on everyone in this league under these shit rules harder than Harden ever possibly could. Thinking that NBA players don't develop a skill through practice is about as moronic as it gets. By that logic they should not practice at all.

The premise for their argument must be Harden's amazing success in the post season.

:roll:

[Rico2016]

Stayyyyy
Downnnnn

[egokiller]

10th round and I have yet to hit the mat boys. :applause:

I guess I win by decision.

But seriously, imagine thinking that a man who doesn't know how to lose in the finals, who's life was dominating the sport, suddenly isn't going to know how to shoot a 3 point shot at a respectable clip in today's league of shit rules. Would he be Curry? No, but to think that he maintains the same fg % and amount of attempts that he did back in the 80's and 90's is laughable at best.

[paksat]

That's not what i said at all, nice try though. The funny thing is I'm a bigger Jordan fan than you but I'm not a groupie, so i can be real about what i saw. I'd love to see a proper response to what i posted although I and everyone here know you're completely incapable of anything beyond bitchy little potshot posts here and there.:oldlol:

ain't a single person in this league that can slow mj down

no one did it before, and no ones gonna do it now

jordan doesn't shoot 3's because he doesn't need to, plain and simple

the one time he got challenged about it, he dropped 35 in one half off of 6? 3 pointers

it's hilarious that just because the guy never practiced them means he could never get good at them

LOL

[And1AllDay]

ain't a single person in this league that can slow mj down

no one did it before, and no ones gonna do it now

jordan doesn't shoot 3's because he doesn't need to, plain and simple

the one time he got challenged about it, he dropped 35 in one half off of 6? 3 pointers

it's hilarious that just because the guy never practiced them means he could never get good at them

LOL

So this guy got Mike to hover around 27 with 41% but the current players would not slow him down

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/e7/f6/68/e7f668719f3c9b304fccc7c6952db992--jordan--michael-jordan.jpg

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-stats/wp/2014/08/21/how-putting-gary-payton-on-michael-jordan-sooner-could-have-changed-the-1996-nba-finals/?utm_term=.d68788bee2c2

[paksat]

38-44 year old mj averaged 22-6-5 with players like vince carter, tracy mcgrady, kobe bryant, iverson, ray allen, kevin garnett, shaq, the admiral, duncan, webber and so so so many others


...what is this shit about him not being able to do 3 more points per game in his prime ?

run along you girls, itsover.gif

[SamuraiSWISH]

Sdot undermines Jordan in all of his posts. Biggest MJ fan out there though :oldlol:

Mike would put up the same numbers he had in the 80s, but on a good team. I say he'd average Harden stats on a bad one AND some (better effiency and defense, more ppg etc).
And overhypes clearly lesser players lol

[egokiller]

So this guy got Mike to hover around 27 with 41% but the current players would not slow him down

The same players that keep lebron to 18 ppg like in the 2011 finals? Those players?

Try again baby boy. :roll:

[egokiller]

And overhypes clearly lesser players lol

I liked the part where he thought he made a post about MJ that is original. :lol His same recycled negative MJ banter is always dismissed with ease.

Nothing to see here folks.

[PickernRoller]

Do we really need to remind everyone?

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xWnE1SXnTf6nHq/giphy.gif

[egokiller]

Do we really need to remind everyone?

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xWnE1SXnTf6nHq/giphy.gif

:roll: :roll: :roll:

MJ doubters getting destroyed.

[superduper]

Jokic, JJ Barea, Jason Terry, Boris Diaw, Klay Thompson are FAR more athletically superior juggernaut BEHEMOTHS than those soup cans of the 90s!! :mad: :mad:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I do play devil's advocate a ton here i won't deny that. It's primarily because it's annoying to see these discussions always come from a one sided place. Mj was greater than pretty much anyone to ever bounce a ball, but he's not perfect. Especially if we use the same standards on him as we use on modern players. If you can't see that it might be time to take the goggles off. To be a fan doesn't necessitate being a fanatic.

You're on the fence yet oblivious to the side that hypes Lebron.

I'm gonna need those "goggles" to appreciate that logic :oldlol:


e he's not Harden. He's not as willing a passer for one.

Yeah, that's bullshit.

Be it during his triple-double streak. The year he averaged ~9 assists. The '91 Finals. Or just the trinagle in general, an offense predicated on ball movement.

Jordan shot the ball a lot - obviously. That's not the same thing as an "unwilling passer". What a laughable post.


And the most important thing Harden's game has is his threat of a 3 from any live dribble situation. Mj has alot in his bag but that's not one of the things he possesses. The distance Harden shoots his 3's from are often times beyond the regular 3 point line. From the regular 3 point line Mj shot 28% for his career. That's more in line with a Dwade or Westbrook than Harden. Harden does what he does creating more than 80% of his 3 point looks himself. It's all part of the dynamic.

More hilarity on your part.

This is becoming a reoccurring theme with you.

Was Michael Jordan James Harden from three? No. Nobody is arguing that. However Jordan could and DID shoot the three. And in the playoffs was above league average in that department.

That's all beside the point though. Imagine someone like Westbrook? A player with a HIGH motor. The guy averaged triple-doubles in his sleep. You ask him to play in that system, D'antoni's, one that's historically upped PG numbers? He would be a fantasy league GOLD MINE.

Jordan doesn't need to "play like Harden" to match his production. You ask him to give you stat-lines similar to Harden...plus defense....and he's going to do that for you. Especially someone like 80s Jordan who was everywhere on the court - and one of the greatest athletes to ever live.


It's time for people to give it up to Harden, although the ft hunting is ugly his talents are unique in Nba history. Nobody is just gonna "do Harden's numbers ":no:

He gets a lot of praise. And should be MVP.

What he isn't going to get is blind praise. At least not from me.

[egokiller]

We got Simon with his 50+ alts shit posting about LeBron daily on his uncles website due to depression over not having seen MJ, but sdot_thadon is compelled to play devil's advocate when it comes to discussing MJ....

You couldn't make this shit up.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

We got Simon with his 50+ alts shit posting about LeBron daily on his uncles website due to depression over not having seen MJ, but sdot_thadon is compelled to play devil's advocate when it comes to discussing MJ....

You couldn't make this shit up.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

We all know its not that. I'd hope not. Still hilarious :oldlol:

Sdot is another one. The world's biggest MJ fan who complains at the very mention of Jordan's initials.

[egokiller]

We all know its not that. I'd hope not. Still hilarious :oldlol:

Sdot is another one. The world's biggest MJ fan who complains at the very mention of Jordan's initials.

Why are they so upset over the fact that if MJ played today he'd shit on all? It can only be depression over having not watched him play back when he did.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Why are they so upset over the fact that if MJ played today he'd shit on all? It can only be depression over having not watched him play back when he did.

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[SpaceJam2]

L:mad:E:mad:B:mad:R:mad:O:mad:N:mad:

[OldSchoolBBall]

This is how MJ would average 37+ ppg today:

25 FGA @ 53% FG = 13.25 FGM x 2 = 26.5 points + 1.5 3FGAM/gm = 28 points

11 FTA/gm * 84% FT = 9.24 FTM + 28 points = 37+ ppg.

Period.

[And1AllDay]

This is how MJ would average 37+ ppg today:

25 FGA @ 53% FG = 13.25 FGM x 2 = 26.5 points + 1.5 3FGAM/gm = 28 points

11 FTA/gm * 84% FT = 9.24 FTM + 28 points = 37+ ppg.

Period.

But 6'1 soup cans held him to 26.5 on 41% ?:confusedshrug:

[3ball]

But 6'1 soup cans held him to 27 on 41.7% ?:confusedshrug:


Look up the 1993 WCSF of the Sonics vs Houston and say again that the sonics were "soup cans":

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1993-nba-western-conference-semifinals-rockets-vs-supersonics.html


Those sonics only missed the 93' Finals because of a goat 45/25 game by Barkley in game 7 of the wcf

The 90's west was utterly stacked, with 3-4 Spurs-level teams taking turns having banner years and losing to MJ in the Finals

And again - in the 13' Finals, lebron's 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games and needed Allen to force game 7 (mj's 27 on 42 would've been sufficient)

[SpaceJam2]

Look up the 1993 WCSF of the Sonics vs Houston and say again that the sonics were "soup cans":

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1993-nba-western-conference-semifinals-rockets-vs-supersonics.html


Those sonics only missed the 93' Finals because of a goat 45/25 game by Barkley in game 7 of the wcf

The 90's west was utterly stacked, with 3-4 Spurs-level teams taking turns having banner years and losing to MJ in the Finals

And again - in the 13' Finals, lebron's 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games and needed Allen to force game 7 (mj's 27 on 42 would've been sufficient)

The Seatle Soupercans made it out of the 2nd round ONE TIME ??? This is the team that held MJ to 26 on 42%?

Are we being serious right now.

[3ball]

The Seatle Soupercans made it out of the 2nd round ONE TIME ??? This is the team that held MJ to 26 on 42%?

Are we being serious right now.

Wrong year - it was 96' when Seattle's All-NBA big 3 destroyed the b2b champion Rockets (along with McMillan and Perkins)


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The 90's west was utterly stacked, with 3-4 Spurs-level teams taking turns having banner years and losing to MJ in the Finals

And you can never forget - in the 13' Finals, lebron's 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games and needed Allen to force game 7 (mj's 27 on 42 would've been sufficient)

[OldSchoolBBall]

But 6'1 soup cans held him to 26.5 on 41% ?:confusedshrug:

Err, no. A DPOY, constant swarming double/triple teams, him missing many easy shots he usually makes (wide open layups/offensive putbacks, open 15-footers etc.), and a team defensive scheme the likes of which no star today has ever had to deal with "held" him to that. He held himself, largely. Had he made the shots he usually makes, he'd have been at like 46-48% FG. Go watch the games.

And GP was 6'4" - you know, the same size as Tony Allen. The supposed best defender of this generation.

[And1AllDay]

The Seatle Soupercans made it out of the 2nd round ONE TIME ??? This is the team that held MJ to 26 on 42%?

Are we being serious right now.

Yikes :eek:

[3ball]

The Seatle Soupercans made it out of the 2nd round ONE TIME ??? This is the team that held MJ to 26 on 42%?

Are we being serious right now.
Again, brutal conference, but the 93' and 96' Sonics put it all together

Ultimately, the 90's west was utterly stacked, with 3-4 Spurs-level teams taking turns having banner years and losing to MJ in the Finals.. i.e. the 96' Sonics beat the b2b champs and won more games than any team in 2019 (64 wins)

And again - in the 13' Finals, lebron was a net negative.. and his 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games and needed Allen to force game 7 (mj's 27 on 42 would've been sufficient)

[SpaceJam2]

Again, brutal conference, but the 93' and 96' Sonics put it all together

Ultimately, the 90's west was utterly stacked, with 3-4 Spurs-level teams taking turns having banner years and losing to MJ in the Finals.. i.e. the 96' Sonics beat the b2b champs and won more games than any team in 2019 (64 wins)

And again - in the 13' Finals, lebron was a net negative.. and his 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games and needed Allen to force game 7 (mj's 27 on 42 would've been sufficient)

So you're basically telling me when you don't play against soup cans like MJ did it's harder to win? :lol

[sdot_thadon]

Well, well, well. It appears i have ruffled some feathers in the thread. :oldlol:


ain't a single person in this league that can slow mj down

no one did it before, and no ones gonna do it now

jordan doesn't shoot 3's because he doesn't need to, plain and simple

the one time he got challenged about it, he dropped 35 in one half off of 6? 3 pointers

it's hilarious that just because the guy never practiced them means he could never get good at them

LOL
You can say that bs about any good player because they didn't "practice" it. It's a cop out, Mj wasn't good at them and that's all there is to it besides fan service. And again that one, entire half of basketball doesn't override 12 years at 28%. Proofs in the pudding.




You're on the fence yet oblivious to the side that hypes Lebron.

I'm gonna need those "goggles" to appreciate that logic :oldlol:

I'm not on any fence, i appreciate all great players. I'm a Kobe fan, I'm a Shaq fan, etc. Mj and Lebron are my 2 favorite superstars I've watched. I'm not oblivious to anything, i just don't pay the kids that are trolling much mind. Show me anywhere i support a ridiculous troll like some of you Mj fans do. Imo old guys trolling is pathetic when these are the self proclaimed "knowledgeable" fans.


Yeah, that's bullshit.

Be it during his triple-double streak. The year he averaged ~9 assists. The '91 Finals. Or just the trinagle in general, an offense predicated on ball movement.

Jordan shot the ball a lot - obviously. That's not the same thing as an "unwilling passer". What a laughable post.
During the "hopefully i can play Magic's style to gain Mvp votes" streak? :oldlol:

And that's not what i said, must be seeing red over there my friend. "Unwilling passer" (your words) is not the same thing as "not as willing a passer as Harden" If you watch modern ball you'd know Harden made his name as a playmaker long before he did as a scorer.....


More hilarity on your part.

This is becoming a reoccurring theme with you.

Was Michael Jordan James Harden from three? No. Nobody is arguing that. However Jordan could and DID shoot the three. And in the playoffs was above league average in that department.

That's all beside the point though. Imagine someone like Westbrook? A player with a HIGH motor. The guy averaged triple-doubles in his sleep. You ask him to play in that system, D'antoni's, one that's historically upped PG numbers? He would be a fantasy league GOLD MINE.

Jordan doesn't need to "play like Harden" to match his production. You ask him to give you stat-lines similar to Harden...plus defense....and he's going to do that for you. Especially someone like 80s Jordan who was everywhere on the court - and one of the greatest athletes to ever live.

Yawn, hilarity is arguing about "Harden numbers" but attempting to leave out Harden's numbers. How can you do Harden numbers without his 3 point shooting, that's part of his numbers bro? All the rest of your post is what we all know and it's not the discussion being contested. His 3 point shooting will absolutely matter in this era. It wont make him suddenly suck, it will change the numbers though. Even if he's in a 5 out system you really just believe the nba is going to allow him to drive by guys to average 40 when they can sag off and use zone concepts to make him take the shots he's weaker at more often? He'll still get his no doubt but it wont look the same because the game isn't the same. He'll get the best an all time great can get in this era but its not going to be some overgrossed average and still be winning basketball at the same time. This era isn't that damn terrible.



He gets a lot of praise. And should be MVP.

What he isn't going to get is blind praise. At least not from me.
Shouldn't take bullets for a battle that isn't yours then.

[sdot_thadon]

Wrong year - it was 96' when Seattle's All-NBA big 3destroyed the b2b champion Rockets (along with McMillan and Perkins)
:biggums:

[egokiller]

ISH has hit a new low. We now have people that think that if you don't practice a shot, you won't get better at it.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[sdot_thadon]

ISH has hit a new low. We now have people that think that if you don't practice a shot, you won't get better at it.

:roll: :roll: :roll:
Mankind has hit a new low if you don't think that logic should apply to everyone.

[Rico2016]

Well, well, well. It appears i have ruffled some feathers in the thread. :oldlol:


You can say that bs about any good player because they didn't "practice" it. It's a cop out, Mj wasn't good at them and that's all there is to it besides fan service. And again that one, entire half of basketball doesn't override 12 years at 28%. Proofs in the pudding.





I'm not on any fence, i appreciate all great players. I'm a Kobe fan, I'm a Shaq fan, etc. Mj and Lebron are my 2 favorite superstars I've watched. I'm not oblivious to anything, i just don't pay the kids that are trolling much mind. Show me anywhere i support a ridiculous troll like some of you Mj fans do. Imo old guys trolling is pathetic when these are the self proclaimed "knowledgeable" fans.


During the "hopefully i can play Magic's style to gain Mvp votes" streak? :oldlol:

And that's not what i said, must be seeing red over there my friend. "Unwilling passer" (your words) is not the same thing as "not as willing a passer as Harden" If you watch modern ball you'd know Harden made his name as a playmaker long before he did as a scorer.....



Yawn, hilarity is arguing about "Harden numbers" but attempting to leave out Harden's numbers. How can you do Harden numbers without his 3 point shooting, that's part of his numbers bro? All the rest of your post is what we all know and it's not the discussion being contested. His 3 point shooting will absolutely matter in this era. It wont make him suddenly suck, it will change the numbers though. Even if he's in a 5 out system you really just believe the nba is going to allow him to drive by guys to average 40 when they can sag off and use zone concepts to make him take the shots he's weaker at more often? He'll still get his no doubt but it wont look the same because the game isn't the same. He'll get the best an all time great can get in this era but its not going to be some overgrossed average and still be winning basketball at the same time. This era isn't that damn terrible.



Shouldn't take bullets for a battle that isn't yours then.

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[3ball]

Anytime MJ decided to average 3+ attempts from three, he shot 35-38%

Every other year he attempted less than 1.5, so his concerted efforts of 3+ showed a stark contrast and good results

No reason he wouldn't shoot the same 35-38% today when he shoots 3+ like he did back then.. except he'd be practicing it as a regular offensive shot, not a novelty, and therefore practicing it a lot more.. his flawless form would allow 40% + easily

[egokiller]

MJ in today's league is 40% from 3, dropping 45 ppg. Haters are fuming.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I'm not on any fence, i appreciate all great players. I'm a Kobe fan, I'm a Shaq fan, etc. Mj and Lebron are my 2 favorite superstars I've watched. I'm not oblivious to anything, i just don't pay the kids that are trolling much mind. Show me anywhere i support a ridiculous troll like some of you Mj fans do. Imo old guys trolling is pathetic when these are the self proclaimed "knowledgeable" fans.

You say that but you've kept your mouth shut about LeBron. And his fans since you've been posting here.

Not a peep.

Its "MJ fans always say that..." or "Here go the MJ fans with..."

Quit acting like you're a non-partisan. No one is buying it.


During the "hopefully i can play Magic's style to gain Mvp votes" streak? :oldlol:

That...and the other games/series/full season I brought up. Somehow you conveniently ignored that.

Must be the "goggles" :confusedshrug:


And that's not what i said, must be seeing red over there my friend. "Unwilling passer" (your words) is not the same thing as "not as willing a passer as Harden" If you watch modern ball you'd know Harden made his name as a playmaker long before he did as a scorer.....

Jordan was just as willing of a passer as Harden.

That's the point.

Jordan, not Harden, played in a system built around moving off the ball. AND passing.


Yawn, hilarity is arguing about "Harden numbers" but attempting to leave out Harden's numbers. How can you do Harden numbers without his 3 point shooting, that's part of his numbers bro? All the rest of your post is what we all know and it's not the discussion being contested. His 3 point shooting will absolutely matter in this era. It wont make him suddenly suck, it will change the numbers though. Even if he's in a 5 out system you really just believe the nba is going to allow him to drive by guys to average 40 when they can sag off and use zone concepts to make him take the shots he's weaker at more often? He'll still get his no doubt but it wont look the same because the game isn't the same. He'll get the best an all time great can get in this era but its not going to be some overgrossed average and still be winning basketball at the same time. This era isn't that damn terrible.

Wake up.

Everyone knows about Harden's numbers here. That supposed to be some kind of rebuttal? :oldlol: Again, Jordan wouldn't have to chuck threes to average those numbers. Jordan put up 37ppg being a primary slasher in a league with a clogged paint. You give him free-reign to the basket, less contact on the perimeter, and leeway to shoot? He would dominate. Mike could put up Harden's PPG (he's done that) but also play better defense (did that too) and give you as much or more assists/rebounds if that was asked. Are we just gonna ignore Jordan's freakish athleticism? Or his ability to sustain HIGH energy levels on both ends? Ditto with Westbrook who's another genetic freak - the guy averaged back-to-back triple doubles without breaking a sweat. You give him FREE reign like Harden has with D'Antoni? We saw what Nash became in that offense. Hell even Jeremy Lin for that brief stint. Westbrook would pad stats like an animal.


Shouldn't take bullets for a battle that isn't yours then.

If I'm taking bullets, you've taken a full blown grenade in your face.

Come up with better arguments and I won't have to dwarf you again.

[egokiller]

You say that but you've kept your mouth shut about LeBron. And his fans since you've been posting here.

Not a peep.

Its "MJ fans always say that..." or "Here go the MJ fans with..."

Quit acting like you're a non-partisan. No one is buying it.



That...and the other games/series/full season I brought up. Somehow you conveniently ignored that.

Must be the "goggles" :confusedshrug:



Jordan was just as willing of a passer as Harden.

That's the point.

Jordan, not Harden, played in a system built around moving off the ball. AND passing.



Wake up.

Everyone knows about Harden's numbers here. That supposed to be some kind of rebuttal? :oldlol: Again, Jordan wouldn't have to chuck threes to average those numbers. Jordan put up 37ppg being a primary slasher in a league with a clogged paint. You give him free-reign to the basket, less contact on the perimeter, and leeway to shoot? He would dominate. Mike could put up Harden's PPG (he's done that) but also play better defense (did that too) and give you as much or more assists/rebounds if that was asked. Are we just gonna ignore Jordan's freakish athleticism? Or his ability to sustain HIGH energy levels on both ends? Ditto with Westbrook who's another genetic freak - the guy averaged back-to-back triple doubles without breaking a sweat. You give him FREE reign like Harden has with D'Antoni? We saw what Nash became in that offense. Hell even Jeremy Lin for that brief stint. Westbrook would pad stats like an animal.



If I'm taking bullets, you've taken a full blown grenade in your face.

Come up with better arguments and I won't have to dwarf you again.

sdot should know better than to even question anything being said positive about MJ on here. This is quite the slay.

[sdot_thadon]

You say that but you've kept your mouth shut about LeBron. And his fans since you've been posting here.

Not a peep.

Its "MJ fans always say that..." or "Here go the MJ fans with..."

Quit acting like you're a non-partisan. No one is buying it.
Lebron is deserving of criticism for plenty. It's just my opinion that most of the shit here is unwarranted. But Kobe got the same from Mj fans, hell i took part in that myself even as a guy who loves Kobe. I can go down a list of things wrong with Lebron, but can you do the same for Mj? That's basically what this whole discussion boils down to. To take what you say here seriously do you ever post something about Mj that isn't fan service? Perhaps you have and maybe I've never seen it, seriously doubt it though.



That...and the other games/series/full season I brought up. Somehow you conveniently ignored that.

Must be the "goggles" :confusedshrug:



Jordan was just as willing of a passer as Harden.

That's the point.

Jordan, not Harden, played in a system built around moving off the ball. AND passing.
Mj actually had a system forced upon him with the intention of getting the ball out of his hands. It's well documented just not accepted by the nostalgic. So again, no he's never been as willing a passer as Harden is today. The crazy part is he did have a team with "free reign" it wasn't very successful was it?




Wake up.

Everyone knows about Harden's numbers here. That supposed to be some kind of rebuttal? :oldlol: Again, Jordan wouldn't have to chuck threes to average those numbers. Jordan put up 37ppg being a primary slasher in a league with a clogged paint. You give him free-reign to the basket, less contact on the perimeter, and leeway to shoot? He would dominate. Mike could put up Harden's PPG (he's done that) but also play better defense (did that too) and give you as much or more assists/rebounds if that was asked. Are we just gonna ignore Jordan's freakish athleticism? Or his ability to sustain HIGH energy levels on both ends? Ditto with Westbrook who's another genetic freak - the guy averaged back-to-back triple doubles without breaking a sweat. You give him FREE reign like Harden has with D'Antoni? We saw what Nash became in that offense. Hell even Jeremy Lin for that brief stint. Westbrook would pad stats like an animal.
Again we all know Mj is great bro, he's not some enigma we have little info on. He's not Harden and Harden's not Mj. 2 completely different games.



If I'm taking bullets, you've taken a full blown grenade in your face.

Come up with better arguments and I won't have to dwarf you again.
Oh look, another message board world title winner.:oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Mj actually had a system forced upon him with the intention of getting the ball out of his hands. It's well documented just not accepted by the nostalgic. So again, no he's never been as willing a passer as Harden is today. The crazy part is he did have a team with "free reign" it wasn't very successful was it?

Wrong.

Nothing was "forced" on MJ. And definitely not the triangle offense.

Jordan eventually adapted and accepted it. As per common knowledge.

Literally has nothing to do with being "nostalgic". That's a lame, sorry ass copout by you again.


"Again we all know Mj is great bro, he's not some enigma we have little info on."

Type of shit I'm talking about.

:oldlol:

You mask yourself as "objective" and then spew this garbage.

You wanna argue that Mike couldn't run roughshod with Mike D'Antoni? Have at it. Your reasoning is elementary at best though. Not even trolling. Its just terrible.

[sdot_thadon]

Wrong.

Nothing was "forced" on MJ. And definitely not the triangle offense.

Jordan eventually adapated and accepted it. As per common knowledge.

Literally has nothing to do with being "nostalgic". That's a lame, sorry ass copout by you again.



Type of shit I'm talking about.

:oldlol:

You mask yourself as "objective" and then spew this garbage.

So you're going to sit here and say he accepted the triangle with open arms and that there wasn't an ulterior motive to the offense? For an Mj fan you don't seem to know as much as you claim. I can round up some quotes for you if my recollection from reading isn't valid enough for you. Objective is accepting the good and the bad sir regardless of it's implications. I asked if you were able to say anything about Mj beyond fan service. I got my answer.....


You wanna argue that Mike couldn't run roughshod with Mike D'Antoni? Have at it. Your reasoning is elementary at best though. Not even trolling. Its just terrible.

Any star can run roughshod with D'Antoni's system. What are you even arguing here. Your reaction makes it seem like i insinuated Mj would be a role player or unable to crack 30 in the system. Instead of giving the cookie cutter he'd average 55 on 73% shooting I gave actually x's and o's reasoning. You're kinda throwing a tantrum here about it and have barely addressed or debated what I've said in any of your posts.

[Bawkish]

So you're going to sit here and say he accepted the triangle with open arms and that there wasn't an ulterior motive to the offense? For an Mj fan you don't seem to know as much as you claim. I can round up some quotes for you if my recollection from reading isn't valid enough for you. Objective is accepting the good and the bad sir regardless of it's implications. I asked if you were able to say anything about Mj beyond fan service. I got my answer.....

literally no one accepts Triangle Offense initially, it's a very complicated offense

that's why despite the Bulls success with it, no team wants to replicate it

playing the triangle, you'd be playing positions that you're not accustomed to. You'd be taking shots from different spots on the floor thats shorter or longer than your usual range.

So of course MJ balked at it when it was suggested. But so does the other Bulls in that manner

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

So you're going to sit here and say he accepted the triangle with open arms and that there wasn't an ulterior motive to the offense? For an Mj fan you don't seem to know as much as you claim. I can round up some quotes for you if my recollection from reading isn't valid enough for you. Objective is accepting the good and the bad sir regardless of it's implications. I asked if you were able to say anything about Mj beyond fan service. I got my answer.....

That's not what I said.

Verbatim: "Jordan eventually accepted and adapted to the triangle."

When you say "forced" you're pretending that Jordan never bought in. Well, that, and he "HAD" to play that way. Mike was a free agent how many times? If he truly felt "forced" to play with Phil, he would have gotten the fukk out of Chicago. Period.


Any star can run roughshod with D'Antoni's system. What are you even arguing here.

What do you mean, what am I arguing?

The last two pages I've been TELLING you that Jordan could putup similar stats to Harden AND some.


makes it seem like i insinuated Mj would be a role player or unable to crack 30 in the system.

No.

It makes it "seem" like you don't think he could replicate Harden's ~36/7/7. This when Jordan by all accounts was the better all-around player. Coupled with high-tier defense.

I've given you multiple reasons why Jordan would.

You need a caffeine boost or something?

-less emphasis on defense
-more open lanes
-absolute green light on offense

Once again. Mike averaged ~37/5/5 with a clogged lane and less spacing overall. Give him a coach who plays max uptempo? In a league with open lanes and MORE spacing? No doubt in my mind he'd post similar/better numbers.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Do we really need to remind everyone?

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xWnE1SXnTf6nHq/giphy.gif
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[BigShotBob]

30-37 in his prime. Scoring title every year (maybe 11+ years consecutive).