Zion couldn't do what Carmelo did...(Zion lacks so much)

[stalkerforlife]

Melo's national championship run as a freshmen should never go forgotten; he continuously made big plays when it mattered most even with the entire defense focused on him.

Melo didn't have other first round lottery picks taking the heat off of him.

Zion is obviously one of the greatest physical specimens we've ever seen, like Bran, but he has to develop more than his current bull rush and spin move. Zion and Bran are a lot alike, including evidence of Zion also being a choker.

Zion won't be transcendent unless he develops an in between game, a better outside shot, a fearless mentality in the clutch, and a much higher basketball IQ.

I see Bran/Julius Randle right now if he doesn't develop.

[PP34Deuce]

He plays nothing like 18 year old Lebron.

He's much more tenacious defensively and plays as hard as Russell Westbrook does.

Zion is unique. He's a little of Blake Griffin (OK Blake) and Larry Johnson.

[kennethgriffen]

who won the ISH fantasy league

[stalkerforlife]

who won the ISH fantasy league

I responded on youtube.

[tontoz]

Zion scored the same ppg shooting 20% better from the field. Duke lacked shooting that is why they lost. Zion is definitely a better prospect than Melo.

Even when Melo was young he wasn't dunking on anyone because he lacked hops. He settled for jumpers too often and wasn't a great finisher inside. He got blocked all the time.

[And1AllDay]

Melo's national championship run as a freshmen should never go forgotten; he continuously made big plays when it mattered most even with the entire defense focused on him.

Melo didn't have other first round lottery picks taking the heat off of him.

Zion is obviously one of the greatest physical specimens we've ever seen, like Bran, but he has to develop more than his current bull rush and spin move. Zion and Bran are a lot alike, including evidence of Zion also being a choker.

Zion won't be transcendent unless he develops an in between game, a better outside shot, a fearless mentality in the clutch, and a much higher basketball IQ.

I see Bran/Julius Randle right now if he doesn't develop.

https://i.postimg.cc/Jnd16J6V/Bron-gw-post.jpg

https://media.giphy.com/media/106PwpLIIXJnXi/giphy.gif

[stalkerforlife]

https://i.postimg.cc/Jnd16J6V/Bron-gw-post.jpg

https://media.giphy.com/media/106PwpLIIXJnXi/giphy.gif

10 seconds is an arbitrary cut off to conceal the truth.

Bran literally choked for an entire series in 2011 as his team was the heavy favorite.

Bran is literally the worst clutch FT shooter I have ever seen.

And there are plenty of other measurements that prove just how big of a choker he is.

[SpaceJam2]

10 seconds is an arbitrary cut off to conceal the truth.

Bran literally choked for an entire series in 2011 as his team was the heavy favorite.

Bran is literally the worst clutch FT shooter I have ever seen.

And there are plenty of other measurements that prove just how big of a choker he is.

:lol How about 5-seconds then?

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/54aac868e4b00f7c5fbf0a24/t/555232bfe4b02fc9d3e674cc/1431450316425/

[Ben Simmons 25]

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[Ben Simmons 25]

As far as the topic goes... who knows...

If anything, melo proved that individual players are overrated because it takes a team to win...

wins a national title as a freshmen in one attempt...

gets to the NBA... doesn't win dick after like fifteen or sixteen years even.


The only guy in the history of the NBA that is almost guaranteeing you a title is Bill Russell.

[stalkerforlife]

:lol How about 5-seconds then?

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/54aac868e4b00f7c5fbf0a24/t/555232bfe4b02fc9d3e674cc/1431450316425/

Another horrible indicator.

Clutch is far more than 5 or 10 seconds, but if you insist...

Stretching back to the 2006-07 season, James is just 5-for-47 in the regular season on shots to tie or take the lead in the closing five seconds, according to Basketball-Reference:

Late LeBron miss in Toronto left him 5-for-47 over last 10 seasons on game-tying or go-ahead FGs in last five seconds of fourth quarter & OT

[Uncle Drew]

Why is Jimmer still awful?

[superduper]

As much shit as Melo got during the latter part of his career he was a thousand times more skilled than Zion will ever be. It will be interesting to see how Zion fares against NBA competition.

[stalkerforlife]

As far as the topic goes... who knows...

If anything, melo proved that individual players are overrated because it takes a team to win...

wins a national title as a freshmen in one attempt...

gets to the NBA... doesn't win dick after like fifteen or sixteen years even.


The only guy in the history of the NBA that is almost guaranteeing you a title is Bill Russell.

Melo never had super teams in the worst conference in NBA history, so your post makes zero sense.

Give Melo prime Wade and Bosh and he wins in Miami.

Melo proved just how important one player can be because he led a sub par cast to a national title.

[tontoz]

I never got the impression that Lebron was a choker in the clutch. It did seem like he deferred too much when he was younger. He wasn't great at the foul line in general regardless of the quarter.

In recent years he has been more aggressive late in games and has done pretty well from the field in clutch situation.

Kobe was just a chucker late in games. He was the best a taking shots the other team wanted him to take.

[Ben Simmons 25]

Melo never had super teams in the worst conference in NBA history, so your post makes zero sense.

Give Melo prime Wade and Bish and he wins in Miami.

Melo proved just how important one player can be because he led a sub par cast to a national title.

It does make sense. Titles are always about more than one player unless your name is Bill Russell.

Carmelo Anthony hasn't played defense in well over a decade...

He's also an example of the fact that being good in college does not necessarily mean you will be just as good on the NBA level.

[stalkerforlife]

Why is Jimmer still awful?

He's being black balled again.

Give him 35+ minutes every game and he'll ball.

Booker is of course putting up his patented empty numbers to ensure future contracts and no one cares.

[stalkerforlife]

It does make sense. Titles are always about more than one player unless your name is Bill Russell.

Carmelo Anthony hasn't played defense in well over a decade...

He's also an example of the fact that being good in college does not necessarily mean you will be just as good on the NBA level.

Melo was great on the NBA level, but he never had super teams in the East during his prime.

He was the real ROY and the real 13 MVP.

And talking about defense when you are a Bransvestite is laughable.

[Uncle Drew]

He's being black balled again.

Give him 35+ minutes every game and he'll ball.

Booker is of course putting up his patented empty numbers to ensure future contracts and no one cares.
He took 8 shots in the last 6 minutes of 4th quarter against the Jazz, when they were down 30 something. He missed them all.

[Kblaze8855]

In the 16 years since Melo won the only NBA all stars to win an NCAA title are Kemba Walker, Anthony Davis, Joakim Noah, and Al Horford. Rip Hamilton and Carlos Boozer are the only others inside 20 years. Before them you have to go all the way back to Antoine Walker on Kentucky and Grant Hill in 1992. These guys arent a whos who of NBA winners. You have to go back 34 years before someone who took his team to the NCAA title later took his team to the NBA finals. And he didnt win it.

Last time people who led their college team to rings also later led NBA teams to rings? Isiah Thomas in 1981 unless you want to count Worthy/Jordan in 82(Worthy didnt lead LA and Jordan at the time didnt lead UNC). Either way....its been a loooooooooooooooooong time.

Not winning in college doesnt really show anything.



Clutch or skilled or whatever...they usually dont win. Wade didnt win, Bird didnt win, Reggie didnt win, Nash didnt win. Brevin Knight knocked Tim Duncan out in college and he didnt win in 4 years. Even the great NBA guys with help rarely won. Hakeem didnt win in college and he had Clyde Drexler for 2 or 3 of his years. Massive upsets multiple times. Shaq had Chris Jackson and lost(maybe better to say Chris Jackson had Shaq since Shaq was his sidekick).

In the last 40 years NCAA winners dont tend to be NBA winners. Melo included.

[stalkerforlife]

I never got the impression that Lebron was a choker in the clutch. It did seem like he deferred too much when he was younger. He wasn't great at the foul line in general regardless of the quarter.

In recent years he has been more aggressive late in games and has done pretty well from the field in clutch situation.

Kobe was just a chucker late in games. He was the best a taking shots the other team wanted him to take.

Because you have a low basketball IQ.

[stalkerforlife]

He took 8 shots in the last 6 minutes of 4th quarter against the Jazz, when they were down 30 something. He missed them all.

And?

Players miss shots.

And most of them get real opportunities to avenge themselves.

If they're not white.

[Uncle Drew]

And?

Players miss shots.

And most of them get real opportunities to avenge themselves.

If they're not white.
The game prior he shot exactly 0% and had more turnovers and personal fouls than points.

[stalkerforlife]

In the 16 years since Melo won the only NBA all stars to win an NCAA title are Kemba Walker, Anthony Davis, Joakim Noah, and Al Horford. Rip Hamilton and Carlos Boozer are the only others inside 20 years. Before them you have to go all the way back to Grant Hill in 1992. These guys arent a whos who of NBA winners. You have to go back 34 years before someone who took his team to the NCAA title later took his team to the NBA finals. And he didnt win it.

Last time people who led their college team to rings also later led NBA teams to rings? Isiah Thomas in 1981 unless you want to count Worthy/Jordan in 82. Either way....its been a loooooooooooooooooong time.

Not winning in college doesnt really show anything.



Clutch or skilled or whatever...they usually dont win. Wade didnt win, Bird didnt win, Reggie didnt win, Nash didnt win. Brevin Knight knocked Tim Duncan out in college and he didnt win in 4 years. Even the great NBA guys with help rarely won. Hakeem didnt win in college and he had Clyde Drexler for 2 or 3 of his years. Massive upsets multiple times. Shaq had Chris Jackson and lost(maybe better to say Chris Jackson had Shaq since Shaq was his sidekick).

In the last 40 years NCAA winners dont tend to be NBA winners. Melo included.

Saying Melo isn't a winner is a lie because he never had super teams in the worst conference in league history. As a matter of fact, Melo took the hard road in his prime and refused the cowardly way out.

And Zion had the most stacked team in all of college basketball and still couldn't win.

What Melo did at Syracuse is historical and it doesn't need the approval of the fake and cowardly NBA.

[tontoz]

Because you have a low basketball IQ.

Speaking of low BBIQ, what player missed more long contested jumpers than anyone in history?

[Ben Simmons 25]

Melo was great on the NBA level, but he never had super teams in the East during his prime.

He was the real ROY and the real 13 MVP.

And talking about defense when you are a Bransvestite is laughable.

LeBron hasn't played defense in about 4-5 years.

Carmelo hasn't played defense in over a decade.

There is a *HUGE* defensive discrepancy between their career defensive efforts. Like ****ing massive.

He wasn't the real ROY and he was never the MVP.

Carmelo Anthony was one of the most overrated players in the NBA for a good 10+ years. He's a ball hogging no defense playing fat **** trashcan.

[stalkerforlife]

College basketball is far more respectable and real than the NBA.

It's not even close.

Winning at the college level means a LOT to real basketball fans and we don't need NBA worshippers to approve of it.

[Kblaze8855]

Melo isnt a winner in the NBA because he has not won. The rest is just....whatever way you wish to spin it. But things are what they are.

Melo doesnt deserve as much hate as hes generally had directed towards him....and hed get my HOF vote.

But winning or not winning isnt an opinion.

[stalkerforlife]

LeBron hasn't played defense in about 4-5 years.

Carmelo hasn't played defense in over a decade.

There is a *HUGE* defensive discrepancy between their career defensive efforts. Like ****ing massive.

He wasn't the real ROY and he was never the MVP.

Carmelo Anthony was one of the most overrated players in the NBA for a good 10+ years. He's a ball hogging no defense playing fat **** trashcan.

He was the real ROY and you prove your bias and low basketball IQ when you say otherwise.

[Kblaze8855]

LeBron hasn't played defense in about 4-5 years.

Carmelo hasn't played defense in over a decade.

There is a *HUGE* defensive discrepancy between their career defensive efforts. Like ****ing massive.

He wasn't the real ROY and he was never the MVP.

Carmelo Anthony was one of the most overrated players in the NBA for a good 10+ years. He's a ball hogging no defense playing fat **** trashcan.


You cant be hated on at the rate Melo is and be overrated.

People treat him like hes the flu. Hed have to be ebola to be overrated at that point. And ebola doesnt go to the HOF for anything positive.

[tontoz]

He's a ball hogging no defense playing fat **** trashcan.


That was pretty harsh.... but i lol'd.

[stalkerforlife]

Melo isnt a winner in the NBA because he has not won. The rest is just....whatever way you wish to spin it. But things are what they are.

Melo doesnt deserve as much hate as hes generally had directed towards him....and hed get my HOF vote.

But winning or not winning isnt an opinion.

Give Melo prime Wade, Bosh, Irving, Love, and the best role players money can buy.

So it is an opinion that you say Melo isn't a winner.

He won 54 with J.R. Smith as his second option. (One of Bran's role players)

[SouBeachTalents]

Give Melo prime Wade, Bosh, Irving, Love, and the best role players money can buy.

So it is an opinion that you say Melo isn't a winner.

He won 54 with J.R. Smith as his second option. (One of Bran's role players)
JR Smith :oldlol: You don't even remember Billups was there

[tontoz]

Give Melo prime Wade, Bosh, Irving, Love, and the best role players money can buy.

So it is an opinion that you say Melo isn't a winner.

He won 54 with J.R. Smith as his second option. (One of Bran's role players)


Has it occurred to you that maybe other top players didn't want to play with him?

[Smoke117]

He was the real ROY and you prove your bias and low basketball IQ when you say otherwise.

Not really. He gets super overrated for his rookie campaign. Both Andre Miller and Marcus Camby were better and higher impact players. People act like Carmelo joined the team and they went from 17 wins to 43...no. Camby only played 29 games that previous season and they then signed Andre Miller in the off season. Carmelo was not a impact player whatsoever his rookie season. He was just a high volume scorer who did absolutely nothing else out there to help the team win. Miller was their overall best offensive player and Camby carried them to 13th in defense.

[Ben Simmons 25]

You cant be hated on at the rate Melo is and be overrated.

People treat him like hes the flu. Hed have to be ebola to be overrated at that point. And ebola doesnt go to the HOF for anything positive.

He wasn't hated to this degree back when he was in the prime of his career.

[Kblaze8855]

College basketball is far more respectable and real than the NBA.

It's not even close.

Winning at the college level means a LOT to real basketball fans and we don't need NBA worshippers to approve of it.


Take your pick of guys to lead NCAA title teams the last 30 years vs my pick of guys who never even made a final 4 and my team wins 90 of 100.

Great guard play and post games from guys who dont have the total game on a high level are too effective in college.

Get a 260 pound guy with one post move and one counter and he might Sean May you to the NCAA title.....or a crafty combo guard who can shoot off the dribble but cant pass or defend to save his life....hes got your back till going one on one doesnt work in the NBA because Gary Payton is guarding you.

It works vs guys who go on to own sandwich shops or be doctors(Christian Moody for example...). It doesnt work so well vs full time straight up NBA talent players.

Juan Dixon(yo mouth) is the truth in college.

You start him in the NBA expect to be ass.

It may be a better brand of basketball...but worse players can flourish in it because they dont need NBA level skills.

[Kblaze8855]

Give Melo prime Wade, Bosh, Irving, Love, and the best role players money can buy.

So it is an opinion that you say Melo isn't a winner.

He won 54 with J.R. Smith as his second option. (One of Bran's role players)


Melo never having won is a fact. What he might do on any other team doesnt change that. Perhaps prime Melo can win with 2000 Shaq or on the Lakers with Kareem and 2 other all stars stars with an MVP, finals MVP, and DPOY(3 different players) off the bench but it doesnt matter.

I understand and agree that players who didnt win...can still play LIKE winners...as in approach...skill set...how they work and prepare and give their all.

But Melo isnt the posterboy for that.

Id say that guy is like....John Stockton. John Stockton played and behaved like a winner. He just didnt win. Melo im not sure played like a winner most of the time. HE was clutch because his pullup was nasty....but if that made you win Purvis Short would be a winner. And I dont imagine you know who that is(not that you have any reason to).

Melo isnt on my "He just...COMPETES" list of technically losing winners.

Thats Stockton...Tony Allen...I might say Kirk Hinrich(who Melo beat to win the title in college).

Melo is a talent to me....not a winner.

[stalkerforlife]

JR Smith :oldlol: You don't even remember Billups was there

Billups was not on that Knicks team.

You're an embarrassment.

[SouBeachTalents]

Billups was not on that Knicks team.

You're an embarrassment.
54 wins, JR Smith, same shit applies to Denver in '09 :lol

[stalkerforlife]

Has it occurred to you that maybe other top players didn't want to play with him?

Melo could've went anywhere and he CHOSE NY when everyone said it was a big mistake not to sign with an already established team.

He didn't want the easy way out.

[Kblaze8855]

I assume he means when Melo, Jr, and Billups were on Denver. Honest mistake for both of you. They won 54 games in 2009 with Billups.

[Jasper]

ion diss'ed before he is even in the NBA ....= precious


I see Zion as a Barkley... he will be a thumper

[stalkerforlife]

Melo never having won is a fact. What he might do on any other team doesnt change that. Perhaps prime Melo can win with 2000 Shaq or on the Lakers with Kareem and 2 other all stars stars with an MVP, finals MVP, and DPOY(3 different players) off the bench but it doesnt matter.

I understand and agree that players who didnt win...can still play LIKE winners...as in approach...skill set...how they work and prepare and give their all.

But Melo isnt the posterboy for that.

Id say that guy is like....John Stockton. John Stockton played and behaved like a winner. He just didnt win. Melo im not sure played like a winner most of the time. HE was clutch because his pullup was nasty....but if that made you win Purvis Short would be a winner. And I dont imagine you know who that is(not that you have any reason to).

Melo isnt on my "He just...COMPETES" list of technically losing winners.

Thats Stockton...Tony Allen...I might say Kirk Hinrich(who Melo beat to win the title in college).

Melo is a talent to me....not a winner.

Analyze however you like.

Doesn't change the fact the you saying he isn't a winner is an opinion.

There are varying levels of winning and context plays a part.

No, he didn't win an NBA title with J.R. in his prime; no player in history could've.

Melo made a respectable decision to choose NY from a competitive standpoint.

And Melo's college title means more to me than any of Bran's NBA titles.

[Vino24]

OP sees Zion as a player like LeBron if he doesn

[Kblaze8855]

If winning doesnt require victory...then ok. It isnt a fact that he has not been a winner. If you can be a winner while losing....who isnt a winner?

Karl Malone?

Made 3 finals. Won more in the regular season than Melo.

He a winner?

Ewing? Played harder than Melo. Played D. Led teams that werent talented to nearly winning. Starks had a shot to win the NBA title. He won in college(Beat Hakeem). Ewing a winner?

Barkley?

Glen Rice?

Demar Derozan?

I wont argue im just wondering how far we take this.

[stalkerforlife]

I assume he means when Melo, Jr, and Billups were on Denver. Honest mistake for both of you. They won 54 games in 2009 with Billups.

Why would I say he won 54 with Smith and neglect to mention Billups if I was talking about that Denver team?

Zero mistake from me.

Melo won 54 with Smith and was the real MVP in 13.

[stalkerforlife]

[QUOTE=Vino24]OP sees Zion as a player like LeBron if he doesn

[Smoke117]

Bran is not even top 10.

And you wonder why you are such a laughingstock that nobody takes seriously. :oldlol: Actually, I digress, much of that has to do with what a fukking loser you are in your life and not just your retarded basketball takes.

[stalkerforlife]

If winning doesnt require victory...then ok. It isnt a fact that he has not been a winner. If you can be a winner while losing....who isnt a winner?

Karl Malone?

Made 3 finals. Won more in the regular season than Melo.

He a winner?

Ewing? Played harder than Melo. Played D. Led teams that werent talented to nearly winning. Starks had a shot to win the NBA title. He won in college(Beat Hakeem). Ewing a winner?

Barkley?

Glen Rice?

Demar Derozan?

I wont argue im just wondering how far we take this.

There are varying levels of winning; you don't have to win a title to be a winner.

Of course guys like Stockton are winners.

To separate players in terms of GOAT standpoint, titles have to play a part.

But you can be a winner and not be a GOAT level player.

[stalkerforlife]

And you wonder why you are such a laughingstock that nobody takes seriously. :oldlol: Actually, I digress, much of that has to do with what a fukking loser you are in your life and not just your retarded basketball takes.

If you didn't take me seriously, you wouldn't have posted previously in this thread. And yes, I always ignore your basketball opinions because you're an angry drunken troll that needs a lot of help; all I see is liquor and regret when you post.

[Kblaze8855]

People seem to remember the 13 Knicks as better than they were. Melo wasnt personally better than 13 Kobe. And the Knicks didnt really win much by these standards. Iggy led a 57 win Denver team in the West with Ty Lawson and Manimal. Long as we do this whole west/east thing....that seems a significant regular season. Memphis won 56 and went to the WCF.

56 win west team....60+ in the east?

The 2013 Knicks really arent worth as much talk as they sometimes get.

[Vino24]

[QUOTE=Vino24]OP sees Zion as a player like LeBron if he doesn

[stalkerforlife]

People seem to remember the 13 Knicks as better than they were. Melo wasnt personally better than 13 Kobe. And the Knicks didnt really win much by these standards. Iggy led a 57 win Denver team in the West with Ty Lawson and Manimal. Long as we do this whole west/east thing....that seems a significant regular season. Memphis won 56 and went to the WCF.

56 win west team....60+ in the east?

The 2013 Knicks really arent worth as much talk as they sometimes get.

Point being, Melo had an inadequate roster and still won 54.

Of course they weren't that great of a team.

[tontoz]

ion diss'ed before he is even in the NBA ....= precious


I see Zion as a Barkley... he will be a thumper


A Barkley that is actually in shape is a scary player. Barkley was basically lazy and lived off his talent for most of his career.

I remember a funny video of him doing rehab running in a pool. He stops for a second and says "i don't know if i want to win this bad".

[stalkerforlife]

A Barkley that is actually in shape is a scary player. Barkley was basically lazy and lived off his talent for most of his career.

I remember a funny video of him doing rehab running in a pool. He stops for a second and says "i don't know if i want to win this bad".

Being fat helped Barkley and he knew it.

Just like it helped Love.

[stalkerforlife]

Speaking of Melo, Utah just gave him a multi year deal.

[tontoz]

Being fat helped Barkley and he knew it.

Just like it helped Love.


Playing 82 games and playoffs.... being fat definitely doesn't help. If it did more players would be fat.

[TheCorporation]

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[Ben Simmons 25]

Speaking of Melo, Utah just gave him a multi year deal.

:eek: :eek:

What are the chances he gets waived within 5 games?

[Kblaze8855]

Is 54 wins in the east a lot? With an 18ppg 6th man, prime Chandler having his only all star season a year after being DPOY, and Kidd as a solid(though unproductive) vet? They should have been ok. Like...upper 40s maybe. The Pacers won 56 the very next year and Paul had Hibbert, 34 year old David West in his last good season, and Lance. Good players all. But so were Chandler, Smith, Kidd, and at the time...even Felton.

14 Pacers should have been better than the 13 Knicks but not by much. And they weren't. In the east it doesnt take overwhelming talent to win 50 something games.

[stalkerforlife]

:eek: :eek:

What are the chances he gets waived within 5 games?

https://thejnotes.com/2019/04/01/breaking-utah-jazz-sign-carmelo-anthony-april-fools/

Guaranteed deal.

3 years 75 million.

[Ben Simmons 25]

https://thejnotes.com/2019/04/01/breaking-utah-jazz-sign-carmelo-anthony-april-fools/

Guaranteed deal.

3 years 75 million.

:roll:

[stalkerforlife]

And it's interesting to me that Zion is now the fan favorite; just look at this thread and the many others concerning him. Look at all the LeExcuses for him already. He clearly showed a weak repertoire and choking, but that's not the narrative being pushed. He clearly just runs straight into defenders time and time again.

Why Zion? Because the media shoved him down our collective throats? Because basketball IQ is lowering as time goes on?

Interesting.

[Kblaze8855]

You really setting up for the next decade of hating on some 18 year old borderline child who has done literally nothing but play hard and well while keeping his mouth shut?

[Ben Simmons 25]

You really setting up for the next decade of hating on some 18 year old borderline child who has done literally nothing but play hard and well while keeping his mouth shut?

:roll: :roll:


BTW, it's not borderline... at 18, he is definitely a child.

[imdaman99]

I don't know if you remember this OP, but Melo had a great #2. I believe his name was Gerry McNamara. Dude was clutch as hell as a freshman. I'm surprised you don't remember him, he was white and fun to watch. I remember him in the the 6OT game against UConn (I think it was Connecticut lol) a couple seasons later in the Big East tourney.

[SouBeachTalents]

I don't know if you remember this OP, but Melo had a great #2. I believe his name was Gerry McNamara. Dude was clutch as hell as a freshman. I'm surprised you don't remember him, he was white and fun to watch. I remember him in the the 6OT game against UConn (I think it was Connecticut lol) a couple seasons later in the Big East tourney.
Bruh that '06 Big East title run was legendary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ArlqIs2NT8

Sucks they did all that just to get bounced in the first round though :lol

[stalkerforlife]

You really setting up for the next decade of hating on some 18 year old borderline child who has done literally nothing but play hard and well while keeping his mouth shut?

Telling the truth is not hating.

If you people want to catapult him so high, someone has to speak reality.

It's a disgrace and disrespect to falsely annoint players at the expense of past greats; there are people saying he's the best Duke player ever and that's a joke. Laettner, Hill, Hurley, Allen, Battier, Singler, Scheyer, etc; those are real all time Dukies because they stayed and contributed for titles.

Zion is not a real Duke player; he's a hired gun that didn't have the ammo to get it done.

[stalkerforlife]

I don't know if you remember this OP, but Melo had a great #2. I believe his name was Gerry McNamara. Dude was clutch as hell as a freshman. I'm surprised you don't remember him, he was white and fun to watch. I remember him in the the 6OT game against UConn (I think it was Connecticut lol) a couple seasons later in the Big East tourney.

Of course I remember him; I loved him. However, he's not comparable to all the first round talent Zion had.

Melo made his teammates better; Zion made Zion better.

[Kblaze8855]

:roll: :roll:


BTW, it's not borderline... at 18, he is definitely a child.

Yea probably. We get so ready to jump on people over nothing.

Michael Jordan at 20 loses in the sweet 16 on a team with 5-6 nba players on it several of them lottery picks(MJ and Perkins went 3 and 4....Kenny Smith 7th I think...Joe Wolf about 12th and Brad Daugherty #1 in 86 though I wont count him since he was 17 at the time). We all realize college doesnt really mean anything to your NBA prospects. Zion loses in the elite 8 because his roommate had the play run for him and missed the resulting FTs and now hes a loser.


Duncan didnt win in college when he had Randolph Childress:


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/MassiveVeneratedFlamingo-size_restricted.gif


shattering ankles and dropping 40 outplaying Stackhouse and Rasheed Wallace.

But my lord....Zion lost in the elite 8. Failure is assured.

[Smoke117]

Of course I remember him; I loved him. However, he's not comparable to all the first round talent Zion had.

Melo made his teammates better; Zion made Zion better.

lol. Carmelo has at no point at any level of his career made any other player better.

[stalkerforlife]

lol. Carmelo has at no point at any level of his career made any other player better.

Asinine.

[stalkerforlife]

Yea probably. We get so ready to jump on people over nothing.

Michael Jordan at 20 loses in the sweet 16 on a team with 5-6 nba players on it several of them lottery picks(MJ and Perkins went 3 and 4....Kenny Smith 7th I think...Joe Wolf about 12th and Brad Daugherty #1 in 86 though I wont count him since he was 17 at the time). We all realize college doesnt really mean anything to your NBA prospects. Zion loses in the elite 8 because his roommate had the play run for him and missed the resulting FTs and now hes a loser.


Duncan didnt win in college when he had Randolph Childress:


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/MassiveVeneratedFlamingo-size_restricted.gif


shattering ankles and dropping 40 outplaying Stackhouse and Rasheed Wallace.

But my lord....Zion lost in the elite 8. Failure is assured.

Why do you keep clumping the NBA in with college basketball?

You don't think Melo and many others won't forever cherish that national title run because of some other league that happens to be fake at times and is getting worse?

Zion failed at the college level because he had the most stacked team in all the land.

[tpols]

jesus did that guy lick his fingers like he was turning the page before that jumpshot? :lol

[Kblaze8855]

Im sure he will cherish it. It just doesnt matter any more than it matters for all the other people who led teams to college titles. Not when it comes to evaluating them personally. The guys who win in college and lose in the NBA are haunted by it...not so much the other way around....because most great players lose in college. Even the ones on great teams. College winners simply...arent usually great prospects the last 30-40 years. It hurts to lose in college but you dont see guys breaking down about how they never won a national title. Guys are 50 mad about never winning on the highest level....including guys who DID win in college because that doesnt make up for losing in the NBA.

Im sure Ewing holds that title with Georgetown tight and im sure it felt great to beat Hakeem. But hes never gonna be ranked with Hakeem because Hakeem won in the NBA. That college W simply doesnt get him anywhere.

Really? Talking level of basketball being played?

College titles are easier to get than Euroleague. Juan Dixon was a lot more dominant in college than he was in the Greek league. Dude ends up on steroids banned from the game trying to keep up with a 3rd tier league of pros.

Great to win in college like its great to win anywhere. IT just doesnt take particularly great players to do it.

[BigShotBob]

While we're on the subject of college.....

Am I weird for having Shane Battier as my all-time favorite college player?

[julizaver]

Melo's national championship run as a freshmen should never go forgotten; he continuously made big plays when it mattered most even with the entire defense focused on him.

Melo didn't have other first round lottery picks taking the heat off of him.

Zion is obviously one of the greatest physical specimens we've ever seen, like Bran, but he has to develop more than his current bull rush and spin move. Zion and Bran are a lot alike, including evidence of Zion also being a choker.

Zion won't be transcendent unless he develops an in between game, a better outside shot, a fearless mentality in the clutch, and a much higher basketball IQ.

I see Bran/Julius Randle right now if he doesn't develop.

Zion is legit. The Duke should give him the ball instead of RJ. That's it. Zion shows that he doesn't fear anybody scoring clutch vs 7'3 ft center, who blocked 2 or 3 shots of him before. Duke and coach K messed the game IMO.

[keep-itreal]

no pull up jumper.
3 point shot is below average
undersized
no skill

He'll be a starter but elite top 10 in the NBA? I don't think so

[knicksman]

If winning doesnt require victory...then ok. It isnt a fact that he has not been a winner. If you can be a winner while losing....who isnt a winner?

Karl Malone?

Made 3 finals. Won more in the regular season than Melo.

He a winner?

Ewing? Played harder than Melo. Played D. Led teams that werent talented to nearly winning. Starks had a shot to win the NBA title. He won in college(Beat Hakeem). Ewing a winner?

Barkley?

Glen Rice?

Demar Derozan?

I wont argue im just wondering how far we take this.

does winning matters really when nba ring is almost as valuable as a wwe belt nowadays? In the end lebron is disrespected thus hes still not truly a winner. Coz the main purpose of winning is to be respected.

[knicksman]

Why do you keep clumping the NBA in with college basketball?

You don't think Melo and many others won't forever cherish that national title run because of some other league that happens to be fake at times and is getting worse?

Zion failed at the college level because he had the most stacked team in all the land.

kblaze writes wall of text to be respected, but in the end hes just another sheep who just follows the crowds opinion.

[jayfan]

Melo's national championship run as a freshmen should never go forgotten; he continuously made big plays when it mattered most even with the entire defense focused on him.

Melo didn't have other first round lottery picks taking the heat off of him.





I'm not sure Zion did, either. Barrett and Reddish are a lot of hype.

[tontoz]

Hakeem Warrick wasn't a lottery pick but he was a very good college player.

[GOBB]

If RJ Barrett gave Zion the ball end of the game Duke advances. He lost that game. Melo didn

[stalkerforlife]

Im sure he will cherish it. It just doesnt matter any more than it matters for all the other people who led teams to college titles. Not when it comes to evaluating them personally. The guys who win in college and lose in the NBA are haunted by it...not so much the other way around....because most great players lose in college. Even the ones on great teams. College winners simply...arent usually great prospects the last 30-40 years. It hurts to lose in college but you dont see guys breaking down about how they never won a national title. Guys are 50 mad about never winning on the highest level....including guys who DID win in college because that doesnt make up for losing in the NBA.

Im sure Ewing holds that title with Georgetown tight and im sure it felt great to beat Hakeem. But hes never gonna be ranked with Hakeem because Hakeem won in the NBA. That college W simply doesnt get him anywhere.

Really? Talking level of basketball being played?

College titles are easier to get than Euroleague. Juan Dixon was a lot more dominant in college than he was in the Greek league. Dude ends up on steroids banned from the game trying to keep up with a 3rd tier league of pros.

Great to win in college like its great to win anywhere. IT just doesnt take particularly great players to do it.

Once again, why do you keep talking about the fake ass NBA? I don't care.

The NCAA tournament is widely regarded as the best American basketball by basketball purists.

The NBA is racist and one step away from the WWE.

[stalkerforlife]

kblaze writes wall of text to be respected, but in the end hes just another sheep who just follows the crowds opinion.

Yep.

He's all over the place.

Must be on drugs.

[FKAri]

1 game rounds. More random than Blackjack. Who gives a ****? And Carmelo was ****ing amazing in college. It's already been mathematically proven that OP's a phaggit. He pioneered cuckoldry. He's also a renowned idiot. If there's any negative thing you might've heard about OP, it's true.
:cheers:

[stalkerforlife]

1 game rounds. More random than Blackjack. Who gives a ****? And Carmelo was ****ing amazing in college. It's already been mathematically proven that OP's a phaggit. He pioneered cuckoldry. He's also a renowned idiot. If there's any negative thing you might've heard about OP, it's true.
:cheers:

Another sheep following the crowd.

Telling the truth leaves a man alone, but I don't feel alone like you desperate sheep begging to be agreed with.

[Smook A.]

Melo was great on the NBA level, but he never had super teams in the East during his prime.

He was the real ROY and the real 13 MVP.

And talking about defense when you are a Bransvestite is laughable.
Oh stop it. LeBron's '13 MVP season was one of the best ever

[stalkerforlife]

Oh stop it. LeBron's '13 MVP season was one of the best ever

Um, it's easy to win and have amazing numbers with a super team in the worst conference ever.

Bran's Miami run meant zilch to basketball purists.

[Vino24]

Another sheep following the crowd.

Telling the truth leaves a man alone, but I don't feel alone like you desperate sheep begging to be agreed with.
if a crowd of people are telling you that you are a cuck there is probably some truth to that. Imagine not being this self aware :biggums: :oldlol: