Gilbert Arenas eviscerates Zion Williamson

[kennethgriffen]

http://m.worldstarhiphop.com/video.php?v=wshh591MSTPoYgyBZP6f


been sayin this shit for a while

[Ben Simmons 25]

So basically his ceiling is Dwight Howard at absolute best(which was pretty ****ing good, btw) but probably not even that.

Yeah, I can see that... but who knows, I've been wrong before...

[tontoz]

22.6 ppg shooting 68%.

Feel free to post all the players who did that as freshmen....or sophmores...... or juniors..... or seniors.

[PeroAntic]

He doesn't shoot, he dunks. He won't be able to dunk that much when hes around men not boys.

[tontoz]

He doesn't shoot, he dunks. He won't be able to dunk that much when hes around men not boys.



Yes he will, just like Barkley did. Only Zion wont have Hakeem, DRob, Shaq, Zo, Deke, etc patrolling the paint.

BTW Zion was 10-23 on 3s over his last 6 games, pretty good for a guy who doesnt shoot.

[RoseCity07]

I made a thread about this too and got a shit ton of butt hurt zion fanboys saying how wrong I am.

[Kblaze8855]

I made a thread about this too and got a shit ton of butt hurt zion fanboys saying how wrong I am.


No...you made a topic asking if hes the next version of the worst pick in american sports history because both of them have being stocky and black in common and literally nothing else.

[RoseCity07]

No...you made a topic asking if hes the next version of the worst pick in american sports history because both of them have being stocky and black in common and literally nothing else.

They're both undersized, don't play like small forwards, don't jump when they shoot, neither have a true position in the NBA. But yeah...it's because they're both black.

[kennethgriffen]

22.6 ppg shooting 68%.

Feel free to post all the players who did that as freshmen....or sophmores...... or juniors..... or seniors.


that actually makes him look even more like a glorified cleanup guy/athletic cutter/lop guy/1 dimensional fastbreak guy more than anything


if he had any real talent he would be more around 45-55% fg's

[MrFonzworth]

Where does Arenas rank on ranker.com?

[kennethgriffen]

Where does Arenas rank on ranker.com?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bld78Q8mcFw

[Kblaze8855]

They're both undersized, don't play like small forwards, don't jump when they shoot, neither have a true position in the NBA. But yeah...it's because they're both black.


Only similarity other than shape.

Literally every one of those things is true of Charles Barkley right down to barely jumping on jumpers. Doesnt make a barkley/Bennet comparison valid either.

[kennethgriffen]

Only similarity other than shape.

Literally every one of those things is true of Charles Barkley right down to barely jumping on jumpers. Doesnt make a barkley/Bennet comparison valid either.


zion is a shorter/fatter shawn kemp

[Kblaze8855]

Anthony Bennett is a taller fatter Shawn Respert. Shawn Kemp is a rational name to compare him to. Anthony Bennett is not.

[RoseCity07]

Anthony Bennett is a taller fatter Shawn Respert. Shawn Kemp is a rational name to compare him to. Anthony Bennett is not.

I was actually thinking his best case is Shawn Kemp. I don't know why more people aren't saying that. He's getting hyped like he's the second coming of Lebron.

[yeaaaman]

Yes he will, just like Barkley did. Only Zion wont have Hakeem, DRob, Shaq, Zo, Deke, etc patrolling the paint.

BTW Zion was 10-23 on 3s over his last 6 games, pretty good for a guy who doesnt shoot.

I want to see him shoot the NBA 3. He shoots almost exactly like Ben Simmons but with less arc at least it looks like. The good thing for him is he's actually not afraid to shoot it and ONLY shoots when his feet are set.

[Ass Dan]

He is Blake Griffin.

If Blake played at Duke with RJ opening everything up he would be the phenomenon Zion is.

RJ is the better prospect

[SamuraiSWISH]

But what he’s saying is totally factually accurate. And I say that as a huge Duke fan, and somebody who likes Zion.

But Gilbert always keeps it real.

Everything he just described, basketball verbatim is correct.

I’ve watched this dude, be the most physically imposing player on the court, even if on the next level he’s technically undersized, not know how to clear out and establish dominance on the low block even for just an entry pass from a guard.

On the next level if he’s your small forward, you’re ****ed.

He doesn’t have the ball handling, creativity off the dribble, or even the quickness to excel at that position on the next level when damn near every player is a great athlete.

He also doesn’t have the jumper, or off the dribble jumper to be a superstar dominant player yet in the NBA.

He’ still the sure fire number one pick. Given his ceiling and potential. But Ja Morant is the most polished player coming into the league.

[SpaceJam2]

22.6 ppg shooting 68%.

Feel free to post all the players who did that as freshmen....or sophmores...... or juniors..... or seniors.

Exactly, he was a freshmen going up against a lot of juniors and seniors.

[SpaceJam2]

No...you made a topic asking if hes the next version of the worst pick in american sports history because both of them have being stocky and black in common and literally nothing else.

:lol :lol True


RoseCity asked if Zion is the next Anthony Bennett :lol :lol

[SpaceJam2]

Where does Arenas rank on ranker.com?

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[brownmamba00]

I like Hibachi as much as the next guy but he's off on this one. Zion is a good passer and a good defender. Both take some skill.

He plays very much in control 20+ppg 65% fg special numbers for a 18 19 year old freshman.

[tontoz]

Giannis is shooting 29.6% outside 5 feet and is about to win the MVP

http://bkref.com/tiny/Qvuy7

The most efficient shots are shots at the rim. Getting to the rim and finishing is the most valuable offensive skill in the NBA.

[Phoenix]

He doesn't shoot, he dunks. He won't be able to dunk that much when hes around men not boys.

The lanes are way more open in the NBA than in college. The league is actually set up now for someone with his athleticism to waltz into the lane and go HAM once he's beaten his man, especially if he's on a team with good spacing. He'll have trouble off the dribble against some of your elite wing defenders like PG13 or Kawhi. Someone like Giannis or KD will bother him with length. But these are exceptions, not the rule of every defender he'll face on a nightly basis. I see him as a tweener in an era where positions are becoming more blurred. The moment he enters the NBA he's in the top 5-10% of athletes in the entire league, and whoever gets him will probably want to drop 20 pounds right from the get-go to aid with quickness and take pressure off his joints. Obviously he will need to diversity his game over time, but what he is *now* will make an immediate impact.

[DocSlam]

Arenas compared him to Blake Griffen. Seems like a decent 1st pick to me.

[jayfan]

He is Blake Griffin.

If Blake played at Duke with RJ opening everything up he would be the phenomenon Zion is.

RJ is the better prospect


RJ opening up everything? Come on, man.

And by the way, Blake WAS the phenom that Zion is. I mean, did anyone on this board watch Blake at Oklahoma?

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[tontoz]

RJ opening up everything? Come on, man.

And by the way, Blake WAS the phenom that Zion is. I mean, did anyone on this board watch Blake at Oklahoma?

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As a sophomore sure. But Zion's numbers punk Blake as a freshman.

[jayfan]

As a sophomore sure. But Zion's numbers punk Blake as a freshman.

I'm talking about his sophomore year. Look, I'm not belittling Zion at all. You and I are finally in agreement on something. He's the truth. But no one around here seems to either remember or know how insanely dominant Blake was his sophomore year at Oklahoma. I've still never seen anything like it.

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[tontoz]

I'm talking about his sophomore year. Look, I'm not belittling Zion at all. You and I are finally in agreement on something. He's the truth. But no one around here seems to either remember or know how insanely dominant Blake was his sophomore year at Oklahoma. I've still never seen anything like it.

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Blake as a sophomore is probably Zion's closest comp. However Blake only made 3 three pointers in 2 college seasons. Zion made 10 in his last 6 games.

Blake was very strong and had great hops, but I don't think he was as quick as Zion.

[jayfan]

Blake as a sophomore is probably Zion's closest comp. However Blake only made 3 three pointers in 2 college seasons. Zion made 10 in his last 6 games.

Blake was very strong and had great hops, but I don't think he was as quick as Zion.

No, he wasn't. And I'm not even breaking them down individually. Zion definitely has things that Blake didn't have.

I'm just saying, as far as being a one-man wrecking crew and carrying an entire team on his back, I've never seen anything like Blake in 08/09.

[aj1987]

22.6 ppg shooting 68%.

Feel free to post all the players who did that as freshmen....or sophmores...... or juniors..... or seniors.

that actually makes him look even more like a glorified cleanup guy/athletic cutter/lop guy/1 dimensional fastbreak guy more than anything


if he had any real talent he would be more around 45-55% fg's
Kenny, what the **** kind of mental ******ry is that shit? I legit laughed for like 30 seconds after reading your post.

[FKAri]

Kenny, what the **** kind of mental ******ry is that shit? I legit laughed for like 30 seconds after reading your post.
Being able to spin a lower FG% as a positive is a prerequisite to reach the rank of lieutenant in the Kobe army.

[Phoenix]

Being able to spin a lower FG% as a positive is a prerequisite to reach the rank of lieutenant in the Kobe army.

:oldlol: This made me chuckle over my cup of coffee

[SamuraiSWISH]

Being able to spin a lower FG% as a positive is a prerequisite to reach the rank of lieutenant in the Kobe army.
:oldlol: you’re an annoying try too hard but sometimes funny

[Derka]

Watched a couple of Duke games, watched some tourney stuff. I'm not buying the hype but he's clearly going to go #1 (good luck in the steaming dogpile that is the New York Knicks, kid).

You can be that size and bully your way around 18-19 year old kids all day and look supreme doing so. You're not going to do that at 6'7" in a grown man's league. Zion has a long way to go.

[jayfan]

Watched a couple of Duke games, watched some tourney stuff. I'm not buying the hype but he's clearly going to go #1 (good luck in the steaming dogpile that is the New York Knicks, kid).

You can be that size and bully your way around 18-19 year old kids all day and look supreme doing so. You're not going to do that at 6'7" in a grown man's league. Zion has a long way to go.

But his game is not just bullying. His quickness, first-step and hops are off the chart. And he knows how to finish (dunks aside). The fact that he has some bulliness in him as well just rounds him out.

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[tontoz]

Watched a couple of Duke games, watched some tourney stuff. I'm not buying the hype but he's clearly going to go #1 (good luck in the steaming dogpile that is the New York Knicks, kid).

You can be that size and bully your way around 18-19 year old kids all day and look supreme doing so. You're not going to do that at 6'7" in a grown man's league. Zion has a long way to go.


Yes he absolutely can. Barkley was one of the most efficient scorers in the league doing exactly that.

A lot of today's "power" forwards are seriously lacking in power.

[andgar923]

Anyone stating he doesn

[PeroAntic]

Barkley comparisons are ridiculous, he was a postup monster with footwork and ball handling skill. Zion is nowhere near Barkley level about this. This is not even talking about defense.

[SpaceJam2]

Kenny, what the **** kind of mental ******ry is that shit? I legit laughed for like 30 seconds after reading your post.

You didn't know? Only the players with the highest skill level never shoot above .469 for their entire career :lol :roll:

[tontoz]

Barkley comparisons are ridiculous, he was a postup monster with footwork and ball handling skill. Zion is nowhere near Barkley level about this. This is not even talking about defense.

If Barkley was such a low post monster why did he only average 15 ppg as a college junior?

[tontoz]

Being able to spin a lower FG% as a positive is a prerequisite to reach the rank of lieutenant in the Kobe army.


Seriously I didn't even know how to respond to something so nuts.

[Phoenix]

If Barkley was such a low post monster why did he only average 15 ppg as a college junior?

You realize how many times this can be debunked with 'xx player averaged this in the college and xxx in the pros'?

[tontoz]

You realize how many times this can be debunked with 'xx player averaged this in the college and xxx in the pros'?

That doesn't address the issue.

A lot of guys show skills in the pros that you don't know they had in college. The post about Barkley's footwork and low post skills, he wasn't showing those much college because the college game is different.

The college game is not the place to show a low post game due to spacing and zone defenses. Dukes spacing was particularly bad because of their lack of shooting.

Nobody knew Ewing had a jumper when he was in college. Nobody knew how good Jordan really was in college because he didn't have to freedom to show all the things he could do.

[Darius]

Blake Griffin seems the best comparison.

Blake had those great ball handling/passing skills in college, he just didn't use them much.

Zion looks further along and faster... Blake had to build a jumpshot from nothing. Zion's is already okay.

[Phoenix]

That doesn't address the issue.

A lot of guys show skills in the pros that you don't know they had in college. The post about Barkley's footwork and low post skills, he wasn't showing those much college because the college game is different.

The college game is not the place to show a low post game due to spacing and zone defenses. Dukes spacing was particularly bad because of their lack of shooting.

Nobody knew Ewing had a jumper when he was in college. Nobody knew how good Jordan really was in college because he didn't have to freedom to show all the things he could do.

What point was I supposed to be addressing earlier, based on some abstract statement about his collegiate PPG being the determining factor in him being a 'low post monster', without any of the context you're now providing? I get what you're saying now but was I supposed to know that based on your earlier statement?

[tontoz]

What point was I supposed to be addressing earlier, based on some abstract statement about his collegiate PPG being the determining factor in him being a 'low post monster', without any of the context you're now providing? I get what you're saying now but was I supposed to know that based on your earlier statement?


The point is that we are talking about Zion as a college prospect. Saying that the Barkley comparison is "ridiculous because Barkley was a low post monster".....um.... Barkley wasn't a low post monster in college.

Zion has the strength, explosion and agility that Barkley had but appears to be quicker. I don't think it is a reach to think he could be as effective in the post as Barkley was in the NBA.

[Phoenix]

The point is that we are talking about Zion as a college prospect. Saying that the Barkley comparison is "ridiculous because Barkley was a low post monster".....um.... Barkley wasn't a low post monster in college.

Zion has the strength, explosion and agility that Barkley had but appears to be quicker. I don't think it is a reach to think he could be as effective in the post as Barkley was in the NBA.

Like I said, I got your point now but that's not what I took from your earlier comment based on his PPG. Unless I missed some other context to your statement prior to that....

[tontoz]

Like I said, I got your point now but that's not what I took from your earlier comment based on his PPG. Unless I missed some other context to your statement prior to that....


You were too focused on the ppg. The real point is that the poster I was responding to wasn't talking about Barkley in college.

[Phoenix]

You were too focused on the ppg. The real point is that the poster I was responding to wasn't talking about Barkley in college.

I got ya bub....

[Hey Yo]

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]But what he

[PeroAntic]

The point is that we are talking about Zion as a college prospect. Saying that the Barkley comparison is "ridiculous because Barkley was a low post monster".....um.... Barkley wasn't a low post monster in college.

Zion has the strength, explosion and agility that Barkley had but appears to be quicker. I don't think it is a reach to think he could be as effective in the post as Barkley was in the NBA.
Well if Barkley didnt have post skills in college and Zion also doesnt have them, he must be the next Barkley! :hammerhead:

Zion scoring so many points in college is because he works hard and has the physical advantage. But his game is just not refined at all and Barkley's was.

[tontoz]

Well if Barkley didnt have post skills in college and Zion also doesnt have them, he must be the next Barkley! :hammerhead:

Zion scoring so many points in college is because he works hard and has the physical advantage. But his game is just not refined at all and Barkley's was.


Not in college it wasn't. Zion is a better prospect as a freshman than Barkley was as a junior.

Barkley wasn't a great post player in the NBA because of his footwork and ball handling. It was because of his physical advantages. His footwork wouldn't have meant squat if he wasn't stronger and more explosive than everyone else.

Zion has the same physical advantages that made Barkley such a devastating post player. He is also faster and more productive than Barkley ever was in college.

[PeroAntic]

Except that in Barkley's day, the average player was far less athletic. And Barkley had the IQ and touch on top of his physical ability. Zion is a guy who jumps very high and has some hustle.

[tontoz]

Except that in Barkley's day, the average player was far less athletic. And Barkley had the IQ and touch on top of his physical ability. Zion is a guy who jumps very high and has some hustle.

The average player was far less athletic back then, yet Barkley was only able to average 15 ppg as a college junior in spite of his superior skills and IQ.

Zion averaged 22.6 as a freshman.

Hmmmm.....

[PeroAntic]

The average player was far less athletic back then, yet Barkley was only able to average 15 ppg as a college junior in spite of his superior skills and IQ.

Zion averaged 22.6 as a freshman.

Hmmmm.....
The gap between athleticism at college and NBA level has increased since then.

[tontoz]

The gap between athleticism at college and NBA level has increased since then.

So NBA players are more athletic now, but college players aren't?

OK

[PP34Deuce]

Zion is not Charles Barkley. He's not a post scorer(yet) and he's much more explosive.

I been telling people his skill set is similar to Blake in college. Super athletic, strong, has enough skill to make some jumpers and make the right pass.

Body wise, he's build like Artest was. I think Zion slims down in a year and becomes the build of Ron Artest (260).

If he can commit to playing defense, running the break, and rebounding, the kid will be a prized asset. Once he turns 22 and figures out things offensively, he's going to be a serious problem.

[Jon Salley's 10]

Zion is just a fatter Deandre Jordan with 40 pounds more muscle

[AirFederer]

Being able to spin a lower FG% as a positive is a prerequisite to reach the rank of lieutenant in the Kobe army.
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[AirTupac]

Yet Randle is dropping 40 point games and Griffin was a "star"...... I think Zion will be just fine in todays NBA even if he actually didn't have "skills". :oldlol: