89' & 93' bulls had exact same roster - so MJ built a 6 seed lottery cast to dynasty

[3ball]

The roster/talent was exactly the same, so the bulls built the teamwork and brand of ball required to have a dynasty

Btw, just to verify - the 89' bulls were the 6 seed with 47 wins, and would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without MJ's 33/8/8

So that was a lottery cast that MJ built into a 3-peat champion - only MJ did that without personnel additions (i.e. Bird added Parish and McHale to win)

Has anyone ever won more purely or organically?... And MJ's goat scoring was done OPTIMALLY - so the team could build the teamwork needed to win with a lottery cast.. wowsers
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[Manny98]

No Phi Jackson did

MJ was the focal point of PJs system but at the end of the day it's still Jacksons system that was created that led to the Bulls championships so he should get the bulk of the credit

[3ball]

No Phi Jackson did

MJ was the focal point of PJs system but at the end of the day it's still Jacksons system that was created that led to the Bulls championships so he should get the bulk of the credit
What did that system do without MJ, mini-MJ, or Shaq?

I'll wait

And what a shitty system to make your #1 option score far more per game than everyone in history - the goat burden

But the goat scorer operated so optimally that the team could build the goat teamwork needed to win with a lottery cast.. wowsers.. Has anyone ever won more purely or organically?...
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[Manny98]

What did that system do without MJ, mini-MJ, or Shaq?

I'll wait

And what a shitty system to make your #1 option score far more per game than everyone in history - the goat burden

But the goat scorer operated so optimally that the team could build the goat teamwork needed to win with a lottery cast.. wowsers.. Has anyone ever won more purely or organically?...
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See the 94 Bulls were they only had a two game dropoff despite losing their best player

[3ball]

See the 94 Bulls were they only had a two game dropoff despite losing their best player
The thread title explains that

The 89' lottery cast built the goat teamwork and brand of ball required to build a dynasty by 1993 (exact same roster) - the TEAMWORK allowed them to manage without their star TALENT

[Phoenix]

See the 94 Bulls were they only had a two game dropoff despite losing their best player

So the 66 Win Cavaliers in 2009 are as good as the 66 Win Heat in 2013? I mean, that's the only thing you can logically conclude based on 'look at their record' logic. Of course, the 2009 Cavs weren't remotely as good as the 2013 Heat.....just as the 94 Bulls weren't remotely as good as the 93 Bulls. Regardless of comparable records.

[Manny98]

So the 66 Win Cavaliers in 2009 are as good as the 66 Win Heat in 2013? I mean, that's the only thing you can logically conclude based on 'look at their record' logic. Of course, the 2009 Cavs weren't remotely as good as the 2013 Heat.....just as the 94 Bulls weren't remotely as good as the 93 Bulls. Regardless of comparable records.
Phil took the Bulls deep into the playoffs without even needing MJ :roll:

Phil built the system that led to the Bulls dynasty MJ was just the focal point of the system that Phil created

So it was Phil that turned a lottery team into a dynasty not MJ

[Manny98]

The thread title explains that

The 89' lottery cast built the goat teamwork and brand of ball required to build a dynasty by 1993 (exact same roster) - the TEAMWORK allowed them to manage without their star TALENT
No the GOAT system was why they managed to have success without MJ you could replace MJ with Clyde Drexler and the Bulls would still be a dynasty as long as they still have PJ

[And1AllDay]

No Phi Jackson did

MJ was the focal point of PJs system but at the end of the day it's still Jacksons system that was created that led to the Bulls championships so he should get the bulk of the credit

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[3ball]

Phil took the Bulls deep into the playoffs without even needing MJ :roll:

Phil built the system that led to the Bulls dynasty MJ was just the focal point of the system that Phil created

So it was Phil that turned a lottery team into a dynasty not MJ


Phil joined a team that was 2 wins away from the 89' Finals

So MJ led the lottery cast to the ECF, not phil - phil simply took an ecf team to the championship

And the bulls would've done that anyway once pippen matured.. you forget that the bulls took the champs 6 games in the 89' ecf with 9 ppg Pippen.. :eek: ... 15 ppg from pip would've won it, and the Lakers were injured that year in the Finals, so bulls win the ring

[superduper]

wowsers

[And1AllDay]

See the 94 Bulls were they only had a two game dropoff despite losing their best player


:oldlol: 3ball wrekt again

Manny is swingin hard today lookout MJ stans :oldlol:

[3ball]

:oldlol: 3ball wrekt again

Manny is swingin hard today lookout MJ stans :oldlol:


Phoenix already destroyed Manny in post #6 above

So I'll pile on:

The 94' bulls won 55 because they already built the goat teamwork and brand of ball required of all dynasties (the exact same lottery roster from 89' was a dynasty by 93')

Dynasties learn to play great basketball and are great TEAMS - they aren't based purely on talent and fall apart when they lose a talent.

And many other teams win by playing great basketball/teamwork - see the 19' Clippers
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[And1AllDay]

Phoenix already destroyed Manny in post #6 above

So I'll pile on:

The 94' bulls won 55 because they already built the goat teamwork and brand of ball required of all dynasties (the same lottery roster from 89' grew into a 3-peat by 93')

Dynasties learn to play great basketball and are great TEAMS - they aren't based purely on talent and fall apart when they lose a talent.

And many other teams win by playing great basketball - see the 19' Clippers


:coleman: :facepalm Terrible post

[3ball]

:coleman: :facepalm Terrible post
^^^ fake acting, weak comeback, so ur defeated.. :rolleyes:

Spot that lebeta crap from a mile away

[jlip]

At what point do grown men say to themselves... "I'm tired of arguing the same point every single day of my life."

[And1AllDay]

At what point do grown men say to themselves... "I'm tired of arguing the same point every single day of my life."

:eek:

[Phoenix]

Phil took the Bulls deep into the playoffs without even needing MJ :roll:

Phil built the system that led to the Bulls dynasty MJ was just the focal point of the system that Phil created

So it was Phil that turned a lottery team into a dynasty not MJ

2nd round is now considered deep? Interesting.

MJ in 89 took the Bulls to the conference finals before Phil arrived, were the only team to take any playoff games off the Pistons that playoffs, and before Pippen was close to resembling an all-star level player.

Also, 2013 Heat and 2009 Cavs had identical records. So they were equal on account of record? Don't think I didn't notice you tried to slip through without responding to something that shits on the logical fallacy of comparing team records without context.

[Manny98]

Phoenix already destroyed Manny in post #6 above

So I'll pile on:

The 94' bulls won 55 because they already built the goat teamwork and brand of ball required of all dynasties (the exact same lottery roster from 89' was a dynasty by 93')

Dynasties learn to play great basketball and are great TEAMS - they aren't based purely on talent and fall apart when they lose a talent.

And many other teams win by playing great basketball/teamwork - see the 19' Clippers
.
And who created that brand of basketball?

[Manny98]

2nd round is now considered deep? Interesting.

MJ in 89 took the Bulls to the conference finals before Phil arrived, were the only team to take any playoff games off the Pistons that playoffs, and before Pippen was close to resembling an all-star level player.
So their ceiling was the ECF before PJ? Am i supposed to be impressed

Pistons were spanking MJ every year untill Phil came along and built the GOAT system that had won 11 championships :bowdown:

[Phoenix]

And who created that brand of basketball?

It was actually Tex Winters who masterminded the Triangle. If you weren't swimming around in your dads nuts back in 1990 you'd know that.

[Manny98]

It was actually Tex Winters who masterminded the Triangle. If you weren't swimming around in your dads nuts back in 1990 you'd know that.
So not MJ then?

I rest my case

[Phoenix]

So their ceiling was the ECF before PJ? Am i supposed to be impressed

Pistons were spanking MJ every year untill Phil came along and built the GOAT system that had won 11 championships

Why wouldn't you be? MJ as a single star took the eventual champions further than anyone else did in 89, with the next 5 best players( Isiah, Dumars, Aguirre, Microwave, Rodman) being on Detroit. You slurp off Lebron doing similar things in losing efforts( carrying teams with talent deficiencies), but suddenly it's not important when MJ did it. You morons can't even keep your own logic from one post to the next. It's amazing you can breathe and take a shit at the same time.

[Phoenix]

So not MJ then?

I rest my case

It wasn't Phil, which was the point. And last I checked, Tex wasn't wearing #23. Or #34. Or #8/24. Or #33.

[And1AllDay]

So not MJ then?

I rest my case

Wrekt again

2ball just loves to get 0wn3d

[Manny98]

When have i ever bragged about LeBron taking a team to 6 games :oldlol:

Also wasn't MJ up 2-1 that series he pretty much choked

[sdot_thadon]

Same roster? New coach? hmm wonder what exactly changed........:oldlol:

[Phoenix]

Also wasn't MJ up 2-1 that series he pretty much choked

No. Choking is being up 2-1 with homecourt advantage, when you have 2 other all-stars on your team( to the other team's single all-star), and you score 8 points in game 4 with the chance to go up 3-1. God help the NBA if MJ had 2011 Wade on his team in 1989 and 90.

[Manny98]

No. Choking is being up 2-1 with homecourt advantage, when you have 2 other all-stars on your team( to the other team's single all-star), and you score 8 points in game 4 with the chance to go up 3-1. God help the NBA if MJ had 2011 Wade on his team in 1989 and 90.
Opportunity to go up 3-1 against the Pistons what does MJ do?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198905290CHI.html

5-15 chokes in the 4th quarter yikes




Game 5 can MJ redeem himself?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198905310DET.html

Nope he disappears from the face of the Earth in the biggest game of his career attempting only 8 shots in 46 minutes

MJ in the 89 ecf was one of the worst chokes ever by a top 10 great

[sdot_thadon]

Opportunity to go up 3-1 against the Pistons what does MJ do?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198905290CHI.html

5-15 chokes in the 4th quarter yikes




Game 5 can MJ redeem himself?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198905310DET.html

Nope he disappears from the face of the Earth in the biggest game of his career attempting only 8 shots in 46 minutes

MJ in the 89 ecf was one of the worst chokes ever by a top 10 great
Damn.

[Phoenix]

Opportunity to go up 3-1 against the Pistons what does MJ do?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198905290CHI.html

5-15 chokes in the 4th quarter yikes




Game 5 can MJ redeem himself?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198905310DET.html

Nope he disappears from the face of the Earth in the biggest game of his career attempting only 8 shots in 46 minutes

MJ in the 89 ecf was one of the worst chokes ever by a top 10 great

The difference being that subpar offensive performances from MJ still nets 20+ points( or at worst 18 in game 5), without the benefit of someone remotely close to a D.Wade for the defense to even remotely be concerned about. An 8 point game from Lebron though? That's average production for Mario Chalmers or a good scoring night for Shane Battier.

He had 32/13/4/3/2 in game 6 but we'll pretend your internet cut out before you got to looking that up.

Lebron's lost with HCA on multiple occasions, MJ hasn't. There's levels to this.

[Manny98]

He had 8 turnovers and shot 5/12 from the free throw line in game 6 it wasn't like he had a good game i just didn't bother to bring it up

Your best player taking 8 shots in 46 minutes is choking however you want to spin it

And production doesn't mean shit to me if your shooting 33% from the field

To this day Kobe gets crucified for 6/24 so why should MJ get a pass for going 5-15 with a opportunity to go up 3-1 against the Pistons?

Only 5 field goals are you serious, ****ing Craig Hodges made more shots than Jordan that game that's embarrassing

[3ball]

Same roster? New coach? hmm wonder what exactly changed........:oldlol:


Nothing changed - Phil lost the ECF in 1990 just like Collins lost in 1989

The difference however, was that Pippen went from doormat to all-star

facts gonna facts

[3ball]

He had 8 turnovers and shot 5/12 from the free throw line in game 6 it wasn't like he had a good game i just didn't bother to bring it up

Your best player taking 8 shots in 46 minutes is choking however you want to spin it

And production doesn't mean shit to me if your shooting 33% from the field

To this day Kobe gets crucified for 6/24 so why should MJ get a pass for going 5-15 with a opportunity to go up 3-1 against the Pistons?

Only 5 field goals are you serious, ****ing Craig Hodges made more shots than Jordan that game that's embarrassing
Because MJ was a massive underdog, not a favorite like lebron in 2011 or kobe in 2010

And he still played much better overall than both, despite having less help and facing "Jordan Rules"

Jordan averaged 30 on 46% in the 89 ecf

How does that compare with lebron's stats from the 07' Finals, 08 ecsf, 10' ecsf, 11 Finals or 14' ECF??? .. I'll wait

[sdot_thadon]

Nothing changed - Phil lost the ECF in 1990 just like Collins lost in 1989

The difference however, was that Pippen went from doormat to all-star

facts gonna facts
Them dancing goalposts i tell ya. Title says 89&93 3ball now says 1990 :oldlol:

[aj1987]

The difference being that subpar offensive performances from MJ still nets 20+ points( or at worst 18 in game 5), without the benefit of someone remotely close to a D.Wade for the defense to even remotely be concerned about. An 8 point game from Lebron though? That's average production for Mario Chalmers or a good scoring night for Shane Battier.

He had 32/13/4/3/2 in game 6 but we'll pretend your internet cut out before you got to looking that up.

Lebron's lost with HCA on multiple occasions, MJ hasn't. There's levels to this.
MJ's the GOAT, but you're going samuraiswish level (of dick length defending) of defensiveness to cover up whatever shortcomings (no pun intended) he had.

MJ did choke in the PO's and it's a fact. :cheers:

If you're doing that to ward off the LeBron turds, just post that 4th Q stats image from the '11 Finals.:cheers:



Them dancing goalposts i tell ya. Title says 89&93 3ball now says 1990 :oldlol:
No shit. Jordan can go on a massive killing spree tomorrow and 3ball will be here defending him saying how that helped him win 6.

[Manny98]

Because MJ was a massive underdog, not a favorite like lebron in 2011 or kobe in 2010

And he still played much better overall than both, despite having less help and facing "Jordan Rules"

Jordan averaged 30 on 46% in the 89 ecf

How does that compare with lebron's stats from the 07' Finals, 08 ecsf, 10' ecsf, 11 Finals or 14' ECF??? .. I'll wait
Underdog or not MJ was up 2-1 and choked that is a fact :oldlol:

[3ball]

MJ's the GOAT, but you're going samuraiswish level (of dick length defending) of defensiveness to cover up whatever shortcomings (no pun intended) he had.

MJ did choke in the PO's and it's a fact. :cheers:

If you're doing that to ward off the LeBron turds, just post that 4th Q stats image from the '11 Finals.:cheers:



No shit. Jordan can go on a massive killing spree tomorrow and 3ball will be here defending him saying how that helped him win 6.
Lebron's chokes are dimensions worse than mj's

And this is the consensus

No one would say MJ choked like lebron.. No one..

no one even talks about MJ choking because he never had a horrible series or lost as the favorite.. :confusedshrug:

Show me where MJ lost as the favorite, had a horrible series comparable to lebron's worst, lost by record amount, or was swept 4-0...

And lebron's worst series are the 07' Finals, 11' Finals, 08' ecsf, 14' ecf... To name a few.. MJ never played that bad, or lost when expected to win

[Phoenix]

He had 8 turnovers and shot 5/12 from the free throw line in game 6 it wasn't like he had a good game i just didn't bother to bring it up

Your best player taking 8 shots in 46 minutes is choking however you want to spin it

And production doesn't mean shit to me if your shooting 33% from the field

To this day Kobe gets crucified for 6/24 so why should MJ get a pass for going 5-15 with a opportunity to go up 3-1 against the Pistons?

Only 5 field goals are you serious, ****ing Craig Hodges made more shots than Jordan that game that's embarrassing

MJ doesn't get a pass for 8 shots. Or 8 turnovers. He gets the context of the Pistons centering their entire defensive scheme on stopping him, shutting down the paint and putting him on the line, because no-one else on the team was a threat to do anything that the Pistons needed to worry about.

Bill Laimbeer: "We didn't even think about Scottie Pippen. It was Michael Jordan and the Jordannaires - and you can't win championships like that with only 1 player."

Have you seen the game you're even referring to? Of course you haven't. But you know how to google the outcome as your lone source of evidence. It was the Pistons 'tactics' from game 4 onwards that shifted the series. In reality, the Bull shouldn't have even won 2 games when you consider how lopsided their teams actually were. Do you know how the Bulls even got a 2-1 lead? Hint: It had more to do with MJs 46, and a little less to do with Scottie's 7. Pippen barely mustered 10ppg that series as the next best Bulls player. MJ certainly wouldn't have 'choked away' the opportunity to win a title by wasting the final year of Wade's peak.

Craig Hodges got more shots because he found himself open. Or are you suggesting Hodges on his own accord was able to get his own shot against the Pistons defense, without Jordan's gravity attacking the basket or being double/tripled teamed getting others open? Do you even have a hint of understanding as to how basketball works, even at the Kindergarten level? Let alone the NBA?

[Phoenix]

MJ's the GOAT, but you're going samuraiswish level (of dick length defending) of defensiveness to cover up whatever shortcomings (no pun intended) he had.

MJ did choke in the PO's and it's a fact. :cheers:

If you're doing that to ward off the LeBron turds, just post that 4th Q stats image from the '11 Finals.:cheers:





Not really. I made no arguments that MJ was great in game 4 or 5. But there are levels to what's being discussed here. The fact that you have the awareness to bring up 2011 indicates to me you understand that.

[aj1987]

Lebron's chokes are dimensions worse than mj's

And this is the consensus

No one would say MJ choked like lebron.. No one..

no one even talks about MJ choking because he never had a horrible series or lost as the favorite.. :confusedshrug:

Show me where MJ lost as the favorite, had a horrible series comparable to lebron's worst, lost by record amount, or was swept 4-0...

And lebron's worst series are the 07' Finals, 11' Finals, 08' ecsf, 14' ecf... To name a few.. MJ never played that bad, or lost when expected to win
Ordan is dog shit. Deal with it, you mouth breathing retard.

Dude was a scrub who got by because of Stern and Nike.

Current Trey Young would drop 100 on his bum ass.

Is that what you wanted?

[Rico2016]

Hey who did Jordan ever beat in Finals again besides 6'2 Gary Payton?

[aj1987]

Not really. I made no arguments that MJ was great in game 4 or 5. But there are levels to what's being discussed here. The fact that you have the awareness to bring up 2011 indicates to me you understand that.
Yeah, LeBron was dog shit in the '11 Finals and cost my team and my favorite player a title (and an FMVP). There's a reason why I always say LeBron is a top 3 GOAT (let alone being a top 2 GOAT).

I've actually had a massive debate with one Jordan stan, who actually thinks LeBron > KAJ. This was way back in '16 or '17. I still think it's #1 Jordan, #2 KAJ, and #3 LeBron. :cheers:

Post more here.

[Manny98]

MJ doesn't get a pass for 8 shots. Or 8 turnovers. He gets the context of the Pistons centering their entire defensive scheme on stopping him, shutting down the paint and putting him on the line, because no-one else on the team was a threat to do anything that the Pistons needed to worry about.

Bill Laimbeer: "We didn't even think about Scottie Pippen. It was Michael Jordan and the Jordannaires - and you can't win championships like that with only 1 player."

Have you seen the game you're even referring to? Of course you haven't. But you know how to google the outcome as your lone source of evidence. It was the Pistons 'tactics' from game 4 onwards that shifted the series. In reality, the Bull shouldn't have even won 2 games when you consider how lopsided their teams actually were. Do you know how the Bulls even got a 2-1 lead? Hint: It had more to do with MJs 46, and a little less to do with Scottie's 7. Pippen barely mustered 10ppg that series as the next best Bulls player. MJ certainly wouldn't have 'choked away' the opportunity to win a title by wasting the final year of Wade's peak.

Craig Hodges got more shots because he found himself open. Or are you suggesting Hodges on his own accord was able to get his own shot against the Celtics defense, without Jordan's gravity attacking the basket or being double/tripled teamed getting others open? Do you even have a hint of understanding as to how basketball works, even at the Kindergarten level? Let alone the NBA?
And LeBron gets the context of the Dallas centerering their entire defensive scheme on stopping him

we in a zone? What type of zone are we in? How are we matching up? What kind of rotations are we in?” Cuban said, describing the thought process James had to go through every time he touched the ball. “Making him think made them pass the ball around the perimeter, which gave us a chance to adjust.


“Now they’re smarter, they’re a better team. They deserved to win this year. But that’s the way we played it. So it wasn’t just LeBron. LeBron actually played it right more often than not. He made the right pass to the right guy, who didn’t make the right play. And that’s exactly what we wanted. We wanted to get the ball out of their hands and into the hands of somebody else.”

[Phoenix]

Yeah, LeBron was dog shit in the '11 Finals and cost my team and my favorite player a title (and an FMVP). There's a reason why I always say LeBron is a top 3 GOAT (let alone being a top 2 GOAT).

I've actually had a massive debate with one Jordan stan, who actually thinks LeBron > KAJ. This was way back in '16 or '17. I still think it's #1 Jordan, #2 KAJ, and #3 LeBron. :cheers:

Post more here.

Which is why I end up having to STFU morons like Manny98 about how 'Wade ball' was the reason the Heat lost in 2011. Admittedly, I must be just as batshit insane for engaging in what are effectively the same daily arguments with the same core bullet points being made on both sides.

[aj1987]

[QUOTE=Manny98]And LeBron gets the context of the Dallas centerering their entire defensive scheme on stopping him

we in a zone? What type of zone are we in? How are we matching up? What kind of rotations are we in?

[Phoenix]

[QUOTE=Manny98]And LeBron gets the context of the Dallas centerering their entire defensive scheme on stopping him

we in a zone? What type of zone are we in? How are we matching up? What kind of rotations are we in?

[aj1987]

The Mavs couldn't singularly focus on Lebron with Wade there. They effectively played Lebron's over-willingness to facilitate and overthink against him, especially when his offensive game lacked the diversity to create scoring in various ways that countered what the Mavs were doing defensively. Plus the fact that the Bulls with Noah/Deng/Gibson and co presented a far greater defensive challenge that the Mavs should have....and which Bron overcame the prior round. So yeah, Lebron not only underperformed, he shrank from the moment and couldn't even properly leverage having 2011 Wade, better than Pippen ever was, on his side putting up 26/6/5 on 61% TS. Players have won finals MVP with worse numbers than that...and you're telling me Bron wasn't able to leverage that into a championship against a 33 year old Dirk( who wasn't even *that* great in the finals compared to the West playoffs), 34 year old Terry, and 50 year old Kidd at the point?

I have no problem with the argument that MJ underperformed relative to his standard in the 89 Detroit series, but you're desperately try to spin that the Heat falling in the finals was on anyone but Lebron.
I mean, the dude TORCHED the #1 defense in the ECF. His defense wasn't that bad in the Finals either. His offense, on the other hand, was prime Parks level. Dude was Casper. In the 4th Q's, he was worse than dog shit. He shows up in G4, the series is done. Miami would've won in 5. Dude went for 8 points on 4-13 shooting.

I still have a feeling that he sabotaged the series because he wasn't gonna get the FMVP.

[Manny98]

This thread is not about 2011 we all know who is to blame for that series no need to go on

Jordan choked in 89 that is a fact

And Phil Jackson built the system that lead to the Bulls dynasty so this notion that MJ created Phil is Bs.

[Phoenix]

I mean, the dude TORCHED the #1 defense in the ECF. His defense wasn't that bad in the Finals either. His offense, on the other hand, was prime Parks level. Dude was Casper. In the 4th Q's, he was worse than dog shit. He shows up in G4, the series is done. Miami would've won in 5. Dude went for 8 points on 4-13 shooting.

I still have a feeling that he sabotaged the series because he wasn't gonna get the FMVP.

That was easily the turning point of the series. Up 2-1, Wade goes for 32, Bosh 24. Blew a chance to go up 3-1 with 2 of the last 3 games in Miami. I have a hard time believing the Mavs rebound from that.

[3ball]

And Phil Jackson built the system that lead to the Bulls dynasty so this notion that MJ created Phil is Bs.


MJ was the goat candidate in 1990, while Phil was a 1st time coach and still a nobody when MJ won with him in 91'...

so don't overrate Phil - Phil simply coached the best talent ever (3 top 10 players - the most of any coach)

And nothing changed when Phil took over in 1990 - he lost the ECF just like Collins lost in 1989... The real difference was that Pippen went from doormat to all-star...

indeed, the one-time Jeanie fling and current Knicks' nightmare simply had great timing, not the Midas touch.. he joined goat players as they were literally peaking.. the triangle failed many times and only worked with top 10 players

[The Iron Fist]

Phil took the Bulls deep into the playoffs without even needing MJ :roll:

Phil built the system that led to the Bulls dynasty MJ was just the focal point of the system that Phil created

So it was Phil that turned a lottery team into a dynasty not MJ
2nd round is deep?:facepalm

[TheCorporation]

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